thank you so much for spending part of your friday with us. we are so grateful. i hope you will join me along with my cohosts bright tomorrow for a special three-hour edition of "the weekend." lev parnas and former trump attorney michael cohen. that's "the weekend" at a special time starting 7:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. >> hi alicia. thank you very much. welcome to "the beat." i am ari melber, and we are following breaking news. reports of this terrorist attack on the outskirts of moscow. here we have live pictures. this is the scene, a very popular local concert hall, 1:00

a.m. local time. there's still the emergency response. russian state media -- that is our source for this -- says 40 people have been counted among the casualties. that's 40 people killed and over 100 injured. there are no official claims of responsibility that have been verified at this hour. this is a very significant attack, especially when you think about the wider context of the region and some unrest in the region. russian news reports state that three gunmen in camouflage opened fire with automatic weapons and threw explosives. there are some accounts on video on social media that give some insight into what we think occurred. this attack comes just five days after vladimir putin announced a six-year term as president that would continue in what they call within russia, an election. many observers would call it something else, not a free and fair democratic process. this also comes just about a month after the very mysterious death of the main opposition leader that putin had faced, alexei navalny.

and it's also, as mentioned, about three years into the overall tensions in the region after russia invaded ukraine. u.s. embassy had sent out a warning about gathering in large groups as recently as two weeks ago, given some concern or some level of alert or intelligence they had about what could happen there. this is one of the largest attacks inside russia that we have seen in some time. we want to go right to our experts to understand what we know about this unfolding event. matt bodner is an nbc news reporter. he is in london but has covered moscow and russia and putin for many years. matt, as a reporter, what else do we know and why does this attack, beyond the horror of it, obviously what's difficult for the victims and families, why does it matter in a broader sense? >> thank you, ari. we're still obviously trying to understand specifically what happened here. there's a lot of information coming out of russia on social media. i think obviously very common for these types of events.

we're sifting through that. we've not heard very much from the authorities outside of that casualty count that you mentioned there. you know, we've seen statements, claims of three to five gunmen. so, that number is still in flux. but we haven't heard that they've caught them. there's just not a lot of communication from the state in their response, and i think that's pretty typical of the russian state when it's responding to these types of events. it looks like that on some of the responses to major -- the lack of communication after major events that we've seen in russian situations in the past. like this one. thinking of course about the nordost terror attack earlier in putin's presidency. obviously civilians died in the response to that. we haven't seen that. just speaking to the lack of communication and unpreparedness. obviously there's still a lot of questions about what exactly took place here. we still haven't heard from the

kremlin about that. other parts of the russian governments and foreign ministry, state senate, state lawmakers, senators and the federation council all very quickly reaching for the terrorism word. this is, of course, something that they've seen in russia in the past. so, we're going to have to see, kind of, what they decide they're going to offer as an explanation to the public. i think this will be very shocking to a great deal of russians, particularly in moscow, where i think the sense of safety and security is perhaps the most valued out of all of putin's various constituencies. so, that will be something to keep an eye on. but i just -- i think that something to keep an eye on is going to be, again, this idea that just five days ago in the presidential election, president putin of course claims historic majority, historic turnout, kind of really pulling out all the stops to make this claim at least domestically that all of russia is united behind him,

united in purpose behind his policies, that of course you fill in the blanks on the war. i think president putin is legitimately popular to an extent in russia. a lot of people who voted for him, though, think they're voting for the kind of security that i think they would have expected to see if this was a terrorist attack, ari. >> understood. matt bodner reporting on this for us, as you've done about russia for some time. thank you for walking us through that tonight. ambassador mcfall, your thoughts? >> well, first, it's a horrific event. there's no excuse for terrorism. my condolences to the russian families and friends who lost loved ones today. that's my first reaction. second, islamic state, i.s.i.s., has now claimed on their various channels that they are responsible for this. nobody's confirmed that. i want to underscore that. but they're the first ones out of the box claiming credit for it. third, the ukrainian government has made very clear that they were not responsible for it.

there were some very unfortunate comments from dmitry medvedev, the former president, suggesting that there was going to be hell to pay if it were them. they made clear it wasn't them. that's very consistent, ari, with the way they've been conducting their war in defense of their territory. they do not use terrorist attacks. i would underscore that putin does. and just yesterday launched a terrorist attack killing civilians inside ukraine. and the last thing i would say in terms of initial reactions is to underscore what you were just talking about with matt. you know, putin is supposed to be the grand protector. he's supposed to be the tough guy against terrorists and alleged nazis that he talks about and nato as threats to the territory. and of course the public, a major reaction to be to rally around the flag and government press will be to talk about how they are going to find the culprits and hold them accountable. but what i'm seeing on my social

media from russians both inside russia and out is why did this happen. he's supposed to protect us. and instead, we're fighting alleged nazis in ukraine. and you know, just yesterday an lgbt activist group was declared a terrorist organization. in other words, instead of focusing on real security threats, why is putin going after these false ones? that's not going to be the majority reaction. i want to underscore that. but it is an undertow that i'm already seeing on my social media accounts. >> where does this fit into the wider context? you mentioned obviously the tensions in ukraine and their public response. but where does this fit into the moment that putin is in within russia right now? >> well, he was feeling very secure, very grand in his alleged electoral victory. and let's be clear, thank you for saying it the way you did, ari. it was not an election. we shouldn't call it that.

it was a sham election. no competition. he arrested and killed the main opposition figures. but from his point of view, the fantastic turnout, soviet-like turnouts, by the way, soviet-like figures, he felt like he was starting his new next term. and now this is a setback for him. so, this is not a good thing. you know, of course they'll do all the rallying around the flag things, of course. but this undermines his image as the tough guy that can protect all of russians. and it comes, by the way, against the backdrop of increasing ukrainian attacks inside the russian federation that has also been fuelling insecurity among russians as well. >> yeah. when you look at, for example, what's happening in ukraine, you reflected that earlier, but i want to mention in more detail. "the new york times" also making this connection, saying, you have this terrible attack at the

moscow concert hall, but the attack came the same day as 165 missiles and drones attacked ukraine, constituted what someone who's also on the master post like yourself, was actually the largest attack against ukraine's energy grid since the start of russia's war. we do a lot of looking at russia's expansion out in the region, nato, all these issues. within russia, will these events, as you mentioned, be linkedin any way -- being careful what we know and don't know -- but the idea they sometimes have other problems at home to deal with rather than what many see as a war of choice abroad. >> yes, i think that will be a theme in some circles in russia, not all circles. and i'm glad you mentioned and mentioned what ambassador brink said. this was one of the largest terrorist attacks inside ukraine. i was just at a conference online today, ari, in kyiv. the kyiv security forum.

there were many foreigners there, many americans there, including former ambassadors, who spent several hours in the bomb shelter last night before the conference because of these terrorist attacks. and i do think we need to be careful to not become numb to terrorist attacks that putin is doing every single day. and we know that he is responsible for them. >> understood and appreciate your diplomatic context and the way you've approached this and given us some food for thought about what is obviously a terrible and impactful attack there. ambassador mcfall, thank you. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. that is obviously the top story. we will keep an eye on this hour. msnbc will continue to cover it throughout the evening. we have a lot more coming up in our friday episode of "the beat" here for you live. trump's claiming becoming, well, laughable, as he runs out of time. today is the last work today and it's almost over on the east coast, for him, as he approaches that monday deadline on the half

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we turn now to a big test for donald trump's legal and campaign issues. today is the last work day before that binding deadline for trump to pay up in the half billion dollar fraud penalty that he owes new york. trump's lawyers admitting a cash crunch. and as a losing defendant, under new york law, any losing defendant like trump must put the money down in order to appeal this fraud fund. these are facts that reveal the kind of cracks that trump has long tried to hide in his so-called empire, his business

life, and the way that he spends it. but the world is finding out. >> donald trump is running out of time to find $464 million. >> he is racing to secure a half billion dollar bond to appeal his civil fraud case in new york by monday's deadline. >> donald john trump is broke and begging for money. >> you're really between a rock and a hard place if you're donald trump. >> panic mode, i'm told, is setting in. >> but is letitia james going to go, like, put a chain on trump tower? >> if he can't get to the supreme court, will you loan him the 460 million? >> trump is pushing the idea that he will try to get the case all the way to the high court. but the whole point is he has to put money down to do these appeals in new york. so, the usual delay tactics may not work well in this civil case. trump does not have the kind of money that he claimed to have. i just want to underscore an obvious point here.

as you just saw, this has gotten a lot of attention. it's been on the late-night shows, punch lines. let's be clear about what's happening. trump is appealing a finding in his business practice, massive fraud, lying about money and real estate. and now his very effort to do that appeal and challenge that finding involves spin or lies about money and about his business. i mean, trump had claimed in the deposition for this very case that he had the kind of money that his lawyers now say he doesn't have. and that's why they desperately told the court that every lender they've asked for a bond has shut them down. trump has claimed it is his success that brought on all these cases and problems. and that can happen in life. there was another brash new yorker with legal problems who coined that famous dilemma, mo money, mo problems, biggie smalls talked about how federal agents were mad because they was

flagrant, tapping his cell phone and his phone in the basement. it's like the more money we come across, the more problems we see, he recounted in that famous song. well, tonight trump has the opposite issue. we are now at the stage in this trump story that can only be called "no money, mo problems." trump admits he doesn't have the money. he can't cover these legal problems. and he is stuck in this tough new york state set of courts, where you have to pay to appeal. or he could see his assets seized by the attorney general, who beat him in this case and says the new york state government here, through the lawful process that others have to deal with, may go ahead and start by taking his estate at 7 springs. we can report the fraud judgment is now formerly registered in west chester county, where trump's most valuable properties are now at risk. that's according to bloomberg.

trump appears to have a hand in his increasingly unusual and desperate fundraising emails on this topic. you can see it here. playing up the risk to a different property that maybe more of his fans around the country know, as he typed out in all caps, trump tower is mine. and monday's deadline is part of the larger stack of bills he owes. it's part of why his lawyers say securing the half billion dollar bond has become a practical impossibility. that admission shreds another key claim that donald trump has long been making about not only his supposed business wealth and his acumen, but why when he turned to politics he claimed that being so rich would provide him more independence than other typical politicians. you may say you never believed this, based on the evidence, but he is running for president right now. and that kind of line does appeal to people, especially people who don't follow politics

but think everyone is bought and sold. what's important tonight and why this is also a campaign problem as well as debt problem is that it's not true. and this was a staple of his first run for office. >> i don't need anybody's money. i'm using my own money. i'm not using the lobbyists. i'm not using donors. i don't care. i'm really rich. maybe he's not as rich as people think. not that it matters, but i'm much richer. it turned out much richer, much stronger, very little debt. i wouldn't be running unless i was really rich. i put in my financials that showed i'm much richer. the company is phenomenal. >> whether that is your cup of tea or not, whether you think that wealth or capitalism is how we should measure people, especially for public service, he was making a potentially logical link. he was arguing that made him independent because he wouldn't owe anyone because he didn't have the debt. we see today whatever buildings or properties he may own apart

of, by his own admission, he doesn't have the money, but he is going to be deeply in debt to somebody. this was a big theme in his narrative, his appeal as a supposed presidential candidate. that is in doubt today. that is a political problem for him. it is one that one of 10, 20 republicans doesn't like or finds to be a problem in that they were lied to about his supposed independence, that could hurt him on the campaign trail. and that's only one piece of it. there's also the measurable cash crunch on the campaign side of things. we reported this week dems have now doubled trump and the republican party's campaign cash at this point in time from the most recent numbers we had into february under the reporting rules. then look at the specific ways that the cash crunch is showing. a trump rally was recently cancelled at the last minute over the desire to save money. cnn reported. trump's new fundraising event with the rnc -- big dollar elit

big checks, the money goes first to an entity which covers trump's legal fees. that's before the republican party gets its cut. it's the same pac we know plowed not 5 or 10 or even $15 million but $50 million collar on legal expenses for trump over the last year. he's also diverting about 10 cents on every dollar from his online fundraising to the pac. now, that used to be just a penny on the dollar. that is a big shift, ten times, whatever you want to put it, as the legal fees mount and he can't afford it. now, trump is getting the rnc to take these actions that are really against its own financial interests and those of basically fellow republicans because he became the presumptive nominee because trump recently purged the rnc staff. he installed a family member. and just weeks ago, trump aides were claiming they wouldn't route money for general republican campaigns into trump's legal bills. now as you can see from the structure, it looks like they're going to keep doing that. this cash crunch stretches from trump's personal debts to these

rough waters for campaign funding. and that political funding, of course, actually has its own problems because it's not unlimited. "the new york times" reporting that this group may actually run dry by summer at this current pace of spending. they either need to spend less or raise more. so, i mentioned that trump personally has the reverse biggie problem, no money, mo problems. but the campaign's also had a different issue that also was diagnosed in 1990s rap. o.p.p. you might remember that song. it refers simply to other people's property. and over the years trump has used hundreds of millions of dollars of other people's property, their donated cash, to subsidize it. that includes the money-wasting products like searches for the election fraud after he lost in 2020. he took a lot of people's property and cash and threw it at that. now he's diverting money from republican campaigns to his

legal bills. he is down with o.p.p. but here's the thing tonight. there are signs that a lot of other people from the banks to some very high dollar republican donors to even some of the grass roots one-time maga grass roots donors are no longer down with o.p.p. and their money funding this charade. we'll be right back with a special guest to break this down. down but even though time has passed, his risk of a second attack hasn't. mike is still living in the re. with a very high risk of another heart attack or stroke. he doesn't know with his risk factors his ldl-c (bad cholesterol) is still too high - the recommended level is below 55. are you living in the red? get in the know. learn how to get a free ldl-c test at whatismyldl.com.

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♪ money money money ♪ ♪ money money money ♪ money ♪ >> from money, money, money, to no money, mo' problems, donald trump's entire, well, identity, brand, business, and political funding mess has all coalesced here on this last work day, which is ending on the east coast, friday night, before the half billion dollar fraud judgment. we're joined by -- presidential campaigns and one of our trusted thinkers on these type of issues. jay, welcome back. >> it's good to be back, ari. >> good to have you. you know, i could have booked one of our many great legal experts for this segment. i could have booked a bail bondsman. i could have booked any number of true liquid billionaires. liquid billionaires, as you know, can get funding.

they don't dance around for weeks on end talking about why they can't. do you know why we booked you? >> i don't know. is it because of my charm and good looks? >> always good to be confident. because, jay, while we've covered each of those points and monday will be a legal day for trump in the new york courts -- >> correct. >> -- contrary to popular conventional wisdom in d.c., public opinion does shift sometimes in response to reality. that's why we've seen some elections go different ways than the pundits said. and i wanted to get your political read on whether there is a threshold at which this much money begging and bankruptcy talk and the general charade in public does affect trump's campaign either for the funding reasons i showed or the pr reasons? >> yeah, i mean, it very much pierces trump's image. we have to remember back in 2015, 2016, when trump first emerged politically, he did so as a highly successful businessman who helped create

highly successful deals. now, we know all of it was a charade. the problem is this image that trump put forward for himself for over nine to ten years now in american politics is evaporating. it is exploding before our very eyes. it's going to have a tremendous impact, especially when you think about the fact that trump's main challenge here is going to have to keep those nikki haley voters, who really don't like him, who do not want to vote for him, keep them in his camp in november. this makes it much, much harder. >> yeah. here's one of his former spokespersons who was with him up until the end, alyssa farah, in the white house, who used to sell the line, oh, he's so bullet proof independent. here's what she's saying now. >> where is he going to turn? there is a possibility he's going to look to foreign -- it could be adversaries. it could be individuals within nations that are our adversaries. if an oligarch in russia or a chinese business official wants to help him get this money, i

have no question that he would end up accepting it. >> jay, if it were a movie, it would seem like too neat a plot line to have this person in this kind of debt as the general election begins and the open discussion of the fact that apparently he could be more compromised than most people frankly in both parties. >> yeah. i mean, the idea that this is a -- it would be essentially a man churn candidate president, except it wouldn't be hidden. that would be a major problem for trump. i think the question we have to ask is why aren't rich donors given to trump? exactly what is going on there? and i think that the reason is that rich donors give to republicans because they want tax cuts. however, at some point, the calculus for giving those donations to get those tax cuts starts to turn on itself. how much are you being asked to now give for tax cuts that may

never happen? trump may not win in november. trump may not be able to get those tax cuts through a democratic house. trump might not be able to convince his own advisers to go along with these tax cuts. those are prospective possibilities that you have to weigh before you give the enormous amounts of money that trump is asking for. in addition, i think it's very grating, i think, for a lot of rich donors to pay the legal fees of someone who has claimed to be a billionaire all these years. i think it's personally grating for a lot of those donors. >> mark levin is a trump ally, so he poses your question from a different vantage point and says, why are there no republican multibillionaires lending trump the funds to file his appeal in this outrageous case in new york state? are none of them liquid enough? this is an outrage. mark levin is doing something that obviously he thinks is helpful to trump, as others have done. we saw larry kudlow, who obviously has some mind meld with trump because he used to work for him, trying to publicly

berate a billionaire to get on tv, which i thought was an awkward way to fund raise. so, this is coming from somewhere, it's not just one person saying it. it seems to suggest a desire for that to happen. you just walked through why it may not happen. but if you're republican rich person, you must not identify with donald trump as a peer at this point. i mean, to the extent that he's a technical billionaire, it's possible the forbes evaluation has been all over the place, but he's certainly not liquid. >> rich people generally don't like lost causes. you don't make money that way. i think this is going to have a major impact on future campaign strategy for trump. if trump has less money and can do less paid advertising, what he's going to try to do is use free media the way he has always used it. you know, do more controversial remarks, get more free coverage that way to compensate for the

fact that he can't do the traditional advertising the other way. >> and if you are a republican running for office separately, you now probably have to start pricing in the haircut. the money's going to come back eventually. i don't want to give viewers the idea that the february numbers hold. there are going to be various reasons why more money will come in. but if it's a 10, 15, 20% haircut, then they have to factor in that even in a good election fundraising environment, they're going to have less going to other candidates, right? >> exactly. it's going to hurt them across the board because the amount of money that trump is asking for all of these legal bills that he has to pay is so enormous it's going to take the oxygen out of the room for the other candidates. however, one of the things we have seen republicans do repeatedly with all the trump losses is they seem to not care about that as much as they care about helping donald trump. so, i think we're going to see how much that really is going to impact their support for trump.

probably not as much at the ballot box as we would hope. >> and the final question on these fundraising emails, i mean, on the one hand, who knows what the target audience is, right? in 2024, you've got to give 100 bucks to a help quasi billionaire. but what do you think of them? the obama campaign used fundraising emails to a great effect. this is a different strategy. it's one that plays up the idea he's going to lose trump tower. >> yeah, i don't know how much of a cause that is going to be for his prospective grass roots donors. i think what outrages the donors is the sense that they are the victims and donald trump is speaking on behalf of them as the victim. i think donald trump himself being the victim is a lot less alluring to them than the other way. if you look at the blood bath and the way they played out in the right wing media, it's that donald trump is a victim of the media. and republicans feel that they are the victims of the media.

i don't necessarily think that the cause of keeping trump tower is as powerful as that, sort of, bias among republican voters. >> yeah, but you do make an interesting analytical point that while it may sound, to some degree, absurd, to the extent that it fits into a larger narrative of the victimology, we can fact check the privileged dynasty family guy talking about that that, but that that connects back to a narrative that they've tried to sell. that's interesting. jay, happy friday, and thanks for being here. >> good to be here. >> absolutely. let me tell folks what's coming up, including what you see on your screen. your legal eagle friend andrew weissman is here for a special conversation with an artist making his "beat" debut. from across the pond, the uk grind artist "giggs" will be here tonight. first, mike johnson on thin ice with the maga forces that got him in office and ousted the

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turning to capitol hill, house republicans have to face more of their own self-induced chaos. speaker johnson hanging by a thread, the house averting a government shutdown to pass this trillion dollar spendingal bill. but now it's heading to the senate. they've got to get it done. you'll hear a lot about it if they don't.

speaker johnson is working with democrats to keep the government open. in theory, that's not a problem. in a good government, you'd want collaboration. but over 100 republicans are going against their own new speaker -- remember they picked him to change things -- to vote against the measure. and this infighting has spirals as some of the hard liners just won't fall in line. >> this bill is a complete and total failure. >> in reality maybe we don't even have a majority. >> frankly our republican leadership are walking swamp glossary. there's always an excuse for what we can't do. >> some will say republicans are in the majority in the house, but it's clear that the democrats own the speaker's gavel. >> what do you even say to that? now, these farther right republicans are angry at speaker johnson. remember, he's the speaker they picked because they had the same anger with their last speaker, mccarthy. and at a certain point, you have

to ask, is it the speaker or is it you? their beef here is democrats have collaborated with their conservative speaker to get things done. that's the criticism. as mentioned, mccarthy had the same problem with some of the same right wing folks. it actually cost him his job that he worked decades to get up to that point. today mtj going through a motion to file a motion saying she wants to vacate the new speaker. >> i filed the motion to vacate today, but it's more of a warning and a pink slip. take our time and find a new speaker of the house that will stand with republicans and our republican majority instead of standing with the democrats. >> so, here we are in this reboot of a very familiar republican problem. now, greene didn't actually try to use the powers to force the vote today, but she could still do that. and this puts the speaker on notice, also sends the message that they are willing, some of them anyway, to have this chaos happen more than once every 12

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♪ rehearsing ♪ ♪ and they can't believe it ♪ ♪ i'm a man ♪ ♪ it's like i'm spiderman ♪ ♪ under ocean ♪ >> respect. real rappers don't like real actors and neither do prosecutors. we are joined by andrew weissman, who is feared for putting people away in the mafia. his new book is "the trump indictments," the historic charging documents with commentary. welcome to both of you. >> what's up? how you doing? >> good. >> i tell you something. i've been a fan of both of your work before i ever got to meet you. i followed him for years, and i got to meet him. >> you like my music? >> nice to see you, man. how you doing? >> i'm good, man. >> there could be kids watching,

giggs. again with everything, you're a regular, andrew. we'll start with you. what's on your fallback list. >> our governor in new york is doing something i hope doesn't happen in london, which is she has announced that she is going to have the national guard sent out to patrol the new york city subways, which i take all the time. i'm sure you take them all the time. >> it's the only way to get around in this city because there's so much traffic. >> and she announced that she's doing it not because there's an actual safety concern because because people feel like there's a safety issue. the way she's dealing with that is going to have essentially the military go out and then we're also going to be subject to forced bag searches. i think constitutional problem and just a bad idea. and you know what? i'm a native new yorker. we're tough. we do not need this. >> i feel you. a decent fallback. what about you?

what's on your fallback list, giggs? >> the cost of living. >> yeah. >> it's crazy. the other day i was in target, walmart, i had, like, five items, it was like $150 or something. crazy. >> we've seen this even with food and groceries, it went up. and when inflation started to drop, they never brought the prices down, they never brought them back. you know what i'm saying? >> five items, it's madness. >> what were the five? >> what were they? what are you buying? >> bread and juice, you know what i'm saying? madness. >> we just celebrated the american anniversary of hip-hop here, 50 years. people cite of course the american tradition in new york. but there is across the world and especially the uk, a lot going on in the musical scene. rap accounted for about 3% of singles purchased in britain in '99. that's jumped to 22% in this

recent era. and british artists are a third of all rap and hip-hop singles streamed in the uk. in this back and forth, we wanted to mention what you think about rolling stones and beatles, you and drake and other hip-hop artists. i wanted to mention that and play a little more of you and drie drake. he's north american. let's take a look. >> let's do this. ♪♪ >> big crowd, man. >> yeah. >> tell us about that. >> that's redding festival. that's one of the biggest festivals in the uk. that's one of had first festivals that gave me a chance.

because when i first, likeerse started doing shows, well, started rapping, i was banned from shows for like ten years. the redding festival, they were the only festival that used to give me a chance. so i thought that would be a nice surprise. >> that was amazing. so it was so funny, right, profiling never works. someone sitting here would have one idea about you from you being this very erudite, soft spoken, and then out there, you're out in front of 50,000, 100,000 people. how big is that crowd? >> around 50,000 to 100,000 people. >> you and drake are just like running it. so how do you get psyched up for that? how do you feel when you step out? most people get nervous if they have to speak at a wedding with 500 people, let alone 50,000. >> a lot of people, like, to be

honest, i don't know. when you're in the shower, sitting there, and your song is on. you're giving it. so you just have to take the same approach when you're on stage. >> you don't think about the crowd. you just do it. >> me, personally, i love the crowd. because you take in all that energy. you're giving it back to them, they're giving it back to you. there's nothing like it. >> one of the fun things with tiktok as people make their own videos. you see people out and about. you see people you might not otherwise notice. there's a bit of a challenge or a fun thing people are doing with finishing your lyrics. here it is. >> if you're talking the hardest -- >> your force is in office. >> if you're talking the hardest -- >> yeah. >> if you're talking the hardest -- >> your force is an artist.

>> if you're talking the hardest -- >> i think basically they know it, everybody knows it. how does that feel? >> they call that the national anthem in the uk. >> how does that feel? >> that's sick. obviously, i know that's the national anthem. even when it comes on at parties, people stop and do that. >> wow. >> i love that. it's funny because we love lyrics on this show. the truth is it just depends on the lyric. you might want, oh, it's still rock 'n' roll to me, or someone does zeppelin or if you love the lyric, that's bringing people together in your country, which i love. andrew, where do you come down on this? >> i don't do music after the 18th century. this is all fascinating. >> just imagine, yeah, wagner was here.

but giggs is very modest, which is cool, and not all rappers are modest. not all musicians are modest. but getting a shout out like that, that's wild. >> amazing. >> london, you know what i'm saying, modesty. >> we're different in new york. what is that about? does someone say it out loud when you're young. hey, you don't get too big, or it's just unstated british vibe. >> that's just the vibe. we're just more cool. >> very cool. >> it goes together well, though. >> i love that. giggs, i hope you come back. thanks for coming through. andrew. >> i'll take one of these. >> take your lighter. my husband, barney, and i have been married for 32 years. i think the most important thing in life is to stay healthy. i noticed i was having some memory losses. i discovered prevagen. since i've been on prevagen, i've noticed more clarity, more sharpness. the recall mechanism is a lot more concise.

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note. we showed you some of how that artist giggs resonates online, including those tiktok videos. here's some of what we're doing here on msnbc's tiktok. take a look.

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