like my dad and me, new ways of catching up on their favorite sport. thanks for being with us. you can find us on saturday, 4:00 p.m. eastern, on "the beat" weekend on msnbc. we put some fun stuff in there if you want to calendar it. i'll also be back with you tomorrow night at 6:00 p.m. eastern. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> every single penny will go to the number one and the only job of the rnc, that is electing donald j. trump as president of the united states. >> , that's not a good idea because the money is actually supposed to go winning elections. apparently, that's not the idea

at all. plus, a federal judge issued a stark warning today that trump could trigger another insurrection in the lead-up or aftermath of the 2024 election. and, manhattan d.a. alvin bragg tells a new york judge enough is enough. there's no need to delay trump's criminal hush money trial any longer. but we begin tonight with some cold, hard facts. donald john trump is broke. and begging for money. he owes new york state roughly $454 million, and the deadline to put up a bond if he wants to appeal or a deposit on the debt is monday. if he fails to do so, new york attorney general letitia james can move in on trump's bank accounts or real estate. his lawyers paid for by the rnc are telling the court that he doesn't have the money. which leads us to another fact.

trump has for decades lied about his wealth and about the valuation of his properties. he also has a history of not paying back his loans and so most self respecting financial institutions and wealthy individuals don't want to take a chance on him. too risky. and here's another fact. no bonding company will accept real estate which accounts for most of trump's wealth as collateral. trump, who back in the day was ridiculed regularly by the media for his multiple bankruptcies, is not considering going that route this time, despite it being the most effective way to freeze the payment requirements. and the reason for that is pride. according to a person close to trump who spoke to "the washington post," trump would rather have letitia james show up with the sheriff at 40 wall street and make a huge stink about it than say that he's bankrupt. the post is also reporting trump has polled advisers, lawyers, and others in recent days about what he should do if the court doesn't come to his aid, and he

hasn't yet come to a decision, but the clock is ticking. while he's crowdsourcing his financial future, a.g. james is going full stream ahead. bloomberg news is reporting her office has formally registered the civil fraud lawsuit in westchester county, new york. the move would allow james to more easily secure liens should she decide to do so on two of the real estate mogul's most valuable properties, trump national golf club westchester and the mostly undeveloped 212-acre 7 springs estate. now, here's where i'm going to stop for a second and break this down very simply. donald trump doesn't have the cash to pay his judgment. nobody seems to want to help him. so he is now left to beg for money. frankly, those are not the signs of a strong candidate. and here's another fact. trump isn't the only one begging for cash. the republican national committee which is now essentially a subsidiary of

trump incorporated, is equally desperate and in dire straights. today, we got the data on how much the two presidential candidates and their parties have raised, and joe biden is running circles around trump. the biden/harris re-election campaign outraised the trump campaign by a 2-1 margin in february. biden has $71 million in cash on hand while trump has about half that at $33.5 million. the dnc has about $26 million cash on hand, and the rnc has $11.3 million. money advantage that biden is using in battleground states, expanding staff and increasing voter engagement, you know, campaign stuff. and while democrats are going on offense, republicans are on the defense. lara trump, who was brought on as the cochair of the rnc, has secured a new agreement that would make sure the party raises enough money for her father-in-law's legal bills. apparently, the rest of the republican party can get what's

left if there is anything left. to that point, that new agreement which nbc has obtained means that the trump campaign made clear to the rnc that donations to his campaign and political action committee will go to his legal bills before you heard that right, before the rest of the rnc gets a cut. and there's a very good reason why they want other people to pay for their mistakes. they are burning through cash. according to the daily beast, trump's save america pac was spending roughly $238,000 a day on legal fees last month. $238,000 every single day for the month of february. that's about $6.9 million total, which is 84% of its spending on trump's legal fees. which explains why they're putting together a trump tent revival down in florida next month. and it is a veritable pew pew

platter of the grand old party. steve wynn, the casino mogul accused of sexual assault. robert mercer and his daughter rebecca mercer, and tim scott. vivek ramaswamy, and the very rich and bored governor of north dakota, doug burgm. it only costs you $814,000 for a fancy seat and $250,000 for the plebe seats. i'm no mathematician. but if i just do quick back of the envelope calculating, $454,000, okay, $450,000, divided by 814, let's see. okay, carry the two. yeah, that means donald trump and his maga lytes will only need to sell -- they'll only need to sell 557 tickets to

settle his debt with new york. isn't it good the presumptive nominee of the rnc and the rnc don't have a lot of cash to actually help them win the election. it's not sustainable because it's hard to run a campaign without money. that's not going unnoticed by the democratic president, who has made trump the butt of his jokes while he's out there raising cash, not to fight legal battles but to actually win the election. while in houston, joe biden said, quote, i know not everyone is feeling the enthusiasm. just the other day, a defeated looking man came up to me and said, mr. president, i have crushing debt and i'm completely wiped out. and i had to look at him and say, donald, i'm sorry, i can't help you. tip your waiters. objectively, who would you rather be? a person flush with cash, no indictments and shifting political momentum or a guy who is strapped for cash with multiple indictments. you be the judge. joining me is roger sullenberger, senior political reporter for the daily beast. reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" on msnbc, and juanita tolliver, democratic

strategist, msnbc political analyst, and cohost of the what a day podcast. roger, i want to start with you. i'm going to put up this graphic we have, all of the things we know donald trump owns. we know that now the westchester county properties seem to be at issue with the attorney general. she's taking a look at those liens. how much money as donald trump can have, and is it surprising to you as someone who has investigated his finances that he doesn't seem to have all that much cash at all? >> it's a great question. it's a question that's been around for decades, right, just how wealthy is donald trump. forbes has done a lot of really good reporting on this. and i hate to tell the naysayers out there they have consistently found that, yes, donald trump is on paper a billionaire. they have estimated his net worth i think the latest was somewhere around $3 billion or something like that. but a lot of that, being on paper, is wrapped up in his assets.

and a lot is like, that he values for goodwill, brand value, all these other intangibles. what we do know is that he apparently told the court that he had $400 million cash. if you're looking at cash last year, that's what he said he had. is this enough to front the bond? i don't really know what he has on hand for the bond. he's floated putting up different real estate assets to try to cover that as collateral. and has still not quite hit the target. so one question that might be resolved here maybe in the near future is we might actually get a glimpse of exactly donald trump's readily accessible wealth. >> the other piece of it, then, to stay with you for a moment, is these would have to be unencumbered assets. if anybody tried to get a loan on their home, if you already have leases on your property, it makes it difficult, or if you don't have a lot of equity left, do we have idea, does he have

unencumbered assets? because my sense of it is yes, he has alle has a number of buildings but a lot are already heavily mortgaged? >> yeah, that's a great question. you know, he talks about it as, you know, leverage. i think he's boasted about being underleveraged. i think at times maybe he's boasted about his leverage as well. but essentially, having a piece of property that is used as collateral for another loan, for instance, if someone else has a claim on that asset as well we can use this to call in our debts as well. those are not on the table if he's trying to get a bond. that has been recorded to be one issue that some of these bond insurers have had problems with. we can't use those because those are already, as you said, cumbered. we're getting probably the clearest look yet at exactly what his financial situation really is. >> he thinks his brand is his leverage. his brand ain't that great

either. reverend al, does it surprise you, donald trump has claimed bankruptcy before, i think five times at least he's declared bankruptcy in the past. and he wasn't embarrassed to do it then. does it surprise you he seems to be embarrassed to do it now? >> i think that he's embarrassed because he is now running for president. and his entree into politics that he was this savvy businessman that could bring the country to a better economic standing, because look at how he handled his business. now, look at how he handles his business. i don't think his core cult followers would be turned off. but he knows that the independent voters, those that he is trying to attract, those that he's trying to make this against joe biden and how he handles business, even though joe biden has stabilized the economy and has done some very good things, how does he make that argument when he's running around trying to do whatever he

can to get some money and 30 entities according to his own lawyers wouldn't lend him the money. now he's down to, when i was a boy preacher, there was nothing for a con man to pitch a tent and claim hallelujah. now he's down to tent revivals in florida. i mean, he's pitching a tent with revuvls, maybe he'll be selling blessed oil before this is over. >> i don't even think he can afford a hallelujah. that's when you're really broke. let me come to you on this. juanita, one of the things you see in the campaign world, and you have worked higher levels than i have in campaigns is you hear people say i want a candidate that -- i want our country to run like a business. it appears donald trump has run his businesses into the ground. it's hard for him to make that case outside of his base, they'll never change their mind. but just talk to me about that piece of it, and then the second part of it being, how can you

run a campaign if all the money is being siphoned out of the rnc and siphoned into his legal bills? what will be left to run a campaign? what do you need the money for usually? >> this is about voter contact, amplifying your message, making sure you have direct relationship with the voters of this country so they understand what they're voting for. trump doesn't care about those details. he doesn't care if people get mail with his face on it. he doesn't care about that because what he is leaning on is trying to use all these court dates as a substitute for that. >> that will be the campaign. >> that's what we have seep to date. the other piece when you talk about him being a drain on the rnc, that impacts people running for senate, for house, who will not get these resources if all the money is prioritized for trump's legal fees. that's something that's attractive to democrats. they don't mind if republican house candidates don't get aid. they don't mind that senate candidates across the country aren't getting support from the rnc when we know democrats are

facing an uphill battle in terms of retaining control of the senate. this is bad news for republicans. not just trump's bank account, but i'm talking republicans on the ballot across the country. >> up and down the ticket. you're trying to win all the way down. you're saying i'm sorry, i don't have money for you because that's going to trump's legal bills. rev, you have run for president, you have run for office. the thing is, the money is actually used for specific and real things. you actually have to do phone banking, you actually have to pay people to go door to door and knock on doors. there's actual campaign expenses. you know donald trump. does he know that? does he understand that the money is actually needed for things? is this the reason he's saying he doesn't want mail-in balloting, because there won't be money to do it. >> he knows there won't be money to do it. more importantly to him at this point is he needs all of that muchy for his legal expenses. let's not forget, we're talking about over half a billion dollars in the new york civil case.

but at the same time, he has four criminal cases with legal teams in each one that every day they have got to file papers and court costs. he's got an ongoing legal amount of legal needs that has amounts of money attached to four different cases. so i mean, where this ends up, we're only talking about half a billion dollars in the civil case. we haven't gotten to the legal fees and court fees for four criminal cases. any of which could make him a criminal. >> yeah -- >> and a fallen. >> the other piece, and i'll start with you, juanita, on this. he's not signaling that he's in a comfortable position. he even thinks he's going to win. if you're already saying the election is rigged, that's what he did before when he was signaling he knew he was going to lose in 2020, so he started in advance saying it was rigged. he's saying that again. hiring paul manafort, that's what he did, they understood and had seen the polls, roger stone is admitting we're going to say

we won. if you're signaling i'm losing here, why would anybody give him money? >> let's be real. the die hards are never going to drop this man, no matter how many elections they lose, no matter how much of a drag he is on the infrastructure of the republican party. they're sticking beside him. i also think the other indicator of panic and trump feeling the walls closing in on him is that preumpative fund-raiser email that went off that said keep your hands off my property. i think one of the things that new york attorney general letitia james is going to be explicitly clear about is not giving him that photo op. trump is already out there saying you're trying to seize my property. these people are extremists, but the reality is, she's smart enough to file the lien paperwork and let it ride. but trump is absolutely looking for that same base of supporters to keep giving him money. i think the other factor here is legally, there are caps on individual contributions to campaigns. and that's going to absolutely be a barrier that he and the rnc run into in terms of trying to finance this campaign.

i appreciate you mentioning field organizations. i started in organizing. this is where you get the direct contact with the voters, where you directly communicate with them why they need to turn out for you. and we know in a general election, trump's support is capped. so when you don't have the infrastructure on the ground, when you don't have the mailers, when you don't have the digital presence, that is where this will come back and bite him. >> when you're asking donors to give money and they know they're not going to get you elected because that's what they want, it doesn't make sense. last question to you, roger. there are still outstanding loans, too. it's not as if trump doesn't also have to pay loans. so his finances are tied up in multiple ways here, including still having to pay loans. i wonder how that intersects with what the attorney general is doing. >> yeah, i think obviously, you're pointing out he's just stressed and pretty much every direction. i mean, there are intercompany

loans that have been conducted it seems like behind the scenes that we just learned about earlier. there's a mysterious loan to a chicago entity, about $50 million, that according to my reporting actually appears like it could be connected to some sort of a tax dodge of $50 million that dated back like over a decade or something like that. there are just a whole lot of stressors. to your point on the campaign cap real quick, juanita, there are limits on campaign donations. it's like $6600 this year to the campaign. save america can only take $5,000 per person. that's what he's using for his legal fees. save america is getting in the process of exhausting a $60 million refund from the super pac, but there's an rnc joint fund-raising committee that can take $800,000 checks from mega donors, millions of dollars, wash it through state committee, pull it back and then give it to trump for his legal fees. that is possible. >> money laundering.

>> it's legal, totally legal money laundering. >> this is not a campaign, it's a tubi movie. roger sullenberger, reverend al sharpton, and juanita tolliver, thank you all very much. don't go in that gofundme. >> coming up next on "the reidout," a federal judge who has overseen the criminal cases of multiple insurrectionists warned today that those insurrectionists might respond to another call to battle from trump this election year. that's next.

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please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated january 6th hostages. ♪ oh say can you see by the dawn's early light ♪ >> just days after we saw donald trump salute a creepy version of the national anthem sung by january 6th insurrectionists touch off a media linguistic debate by warning of a bloodbath and declared one of his first acts if he becomes president again would be to pardon the violent just felon he insanely calls hostages. one of the judges is warning

trump could provoke another attack. he made those comments at the sentencing of jeffrey sable who was caught on camera repeatedly assaulting police officers during the insurrection. you can see him briefly in this body cam footage in the tan jacket. he told the fbi that on january 6th, he was a patriot warrior, answering a call to battle. and who gave this call to battle? donald trump, of course. today, judge contreras said he worries sable and others like him would do it all again, warning it doesn't take much imagination to imagine a similar call coming out in the coming months. i'm joined now by democratic congressman eric swalwell, 2021 impeachment manager and member of the house judiciary and homeland security committees. good to see you. we all know those who testified, it was a pretty dramatic day of testimony when one of these insurrectionists who regrets it now said exactly who called him to the capitol, it was donald trump.

donald trump is again in an awkward position of being behind in six polls to joe biden. he's polling behind him. he's brought back in one of his biggest henchmen that helped him get help from russia before, paul manafort, and he's already saying the election is rigged. thosetoto me he's not so sure he's going to win again. so he could do it again. >> he will do it again. this guy has priors and he prefers violence over voting. there is no central core of principles that he is running on. when he looks at the word america, the only letter he recognizes is the letter "i." this is entirely about donald trump. he sees violence as a means of achieving his end game here. so the judge is right to foreshadow this. he doesn't only see violence domestically, he sees it

externally, as he invites russia to invade our traditional allies. again, because he sees that as helping him. chaos helps donald trump. by the way, joy, this is all quite interesting for a man who avoided and dodged the draft when others of his generation went and served. it's very interesting for somebody who told everyone to go to the capitol on january 6th and then veered off and went back to the white house. he's your traditional just school yard bully. he is the weakest strongman you would ever see. when you look at that rally you played in the beginning, i have never seen a strongman who has so many petty, whiny grievances. i think the more we call him out and expose it, the more likely we are to never see him again as president. >> and you made a very good point. he went back to the white house to watch tv and throw ketchup at the wall. while he was doing that, people

were committing violent felonies. we had mike fanone on the other week who was almost killed that day and multiply tased and heart attacks because of what was done to him. 1300 plus people were ultimately, it took a while, but 1358 people including the gentleman who was recently sentenced, you have enrika tarrio serving 22 years. the guy with the zip ties got five years. you can go on and on. stewart rhodes the leader of the oath keepers. donald trump is now saying he would release those violent felons back into the public. you know i think about what happened in haiti when the jails were opened and some of the most violent gang members were unleashed on the public. he's saying he's going to do that again. so the combination of him maybe wanting to do a january 6th and the fact he might have the actual perpetrators of the first one back out on the streets if he gets back in, it should be chilling i would think to most americans. >> the prospect of another

donald trump term would see an absolute wrecking ball to the rule of law. to law and order. it would be entirely about protecting donald trump and making his criminal cases go away. and anyone who would threaten him would be faced with persecution and prosecution. and so we have to take him at his word when he says on day one he's going to be a dictator. there's no reason to believe any other day he would be anything less than a dictator. and this is why it's so important, and i think about what can i do, what can i control? well, the people who have to be the firewall against him are my colleagues in the congress. and so just earlier today, i was with capitol police officer harry dunn who is running for congress. i think, well, what if we put someone like harry dunn in the congress to make sure we have more people who would speak truth to power in the congress, but also on the republican side, we're going to lose mike gallagher, someone that stood up against his own party, and we're

going to lose ken buck on friday, and so what will the congress look like when the few people who are willing to speak up and speak against violence leave? will it be more donald trump enablers or will they be replaced by more patriots. that's up to the voters in november. >> and i will note that ashli babbitt's mother, the woman who tried to jump through the speaker's lounge door and was shot and killed by police, her mother attended a vigil for the january 6th defendants outside a jail in washington that was live streamed. she was live streaming and said she has spoken with trump himself on the phone earlier that day and he talked about setting these guys free when he gets in, a message he asked to be passed along to january 6th defendants. are any of your colleagues concerned that members of congress would be targeted if these people were put back on the street? >> they were already being targeted. when the threats come in to me and my colleagues, what we're told by the department of

justice is doing a very good job to try to track these, is that hey, we're being targeted too. you're seeing that donald trump has unleashed and created this environment where the investigators are also being terrorized. so fbi agents and doj prosecutors, they're receiving as many death threats as me and my colleagues. that's just the hell and the chaos that he has brought to our country. and it's really easy to do that when you don't have the firewall within your own party to stop you. so that's why this is all so important. and just functionally because we're not helpless here, i have also been working with doj to write legislation that would create a harassment crime so that it's not just a high threshold of threats but that we can protect people as much as possible. >> representative eric swalwell, thank you very much. stay safe out there. up next on "the reidout," trump's hush money trial was originally set to start next week, but it was delayed until at least mid-april.

the judge overseeing the case could still start a new start date on monday. and the manhattan d.a. is urging him not to delay it any further. that is next.

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four separate criminal trials. but so far, he's been very successful at delaying three of them to the point that none might begin before the november election. the one that seems likeliest to progress is trump's new york criminal hush moneyicacy. but it faced its own hurdle last week when manhattan district attorney alvin bragg agreed to delay the case until at least mid-april after more than 170,000 documents were turned over to trump's legal team by federal prosecutors. while trump's lawyers are claiming that the failure to get these documents to them earlier should result in the court dismissing all the charges or at a minimum giving them at least a three-month delay, bragg responded today that fewer than 300 of those documents have any relevance to the case, and that, quote, enough is enough. these tactics by defendant and defense counsel should be stopped. the judge could issue a new trial date at a hearing scheduled for monday, which is when the trial was originally supposed to start. i'm joined by david erenberg, state attorney for palm beach

county, florida. my homey from florida. talk about this for a second. it doesn't seem 300 documents should delay the case. do you think this is going to get dragged out further? >> no, i think the judge is going to schedule the trial after this 30-day window is over, it's going. this shows you judges matter. >> yes, it does. >> the opposite is true in our neck of the woods, south florida, where judge cannon has been slow walking the case. here, judge merchan is not messing around, and judge chutkan isn't, but she's held back by the supreme court. >> trump filed a motion to try to delay the hush money trial. i don't know how he can work this through his lawyer, how it can be part of his presidential act. he's trying to say this trial should get delayed waiting for presidential immunity. >> judge merchan is on him. one of the ways trump tried to delay the hush money case is saying you should be bounced off the case because you're a biased judge. you ruled against me on the

weisselberg case. he's on to these games. no presidential immunity for something before you became president. >> he's trying to say he tweeted about it or made comments about it when he was president. >> he thought about when he was pred, so therefore, complete immu immunity. >> there is a new documentary out in which she said she feared for her life. she's spoken to a documentary. she's going to testify, she, michael cohen, they will be on the stand. >> absolutely. the defense lawyers tried to say, no, no, we can't put them on the stand. they're too damaging of witnesses for us. >> that's not how any of this works. then he said michael cohen is a convicted liar. from a prosecutor's standpoint, if we could only put on choir boys on the stand against criminalsthen we would have no cases whatsoever. and michael cohen has repented for his mistakes. >> and he hasn't been wrong. every time i hear someone say this about michael cohen, michael cohen said donald trump lies about the valuation of his

buildings. he turned out to be right. michael cohen said he would try not to leave office. he turned out not to be right. he said he was a racist, a fascist. when has he been wrong? and his other credential is he worked for donald trump for a decade. who better to know him? >> you know why he lied under oath. he did so for trump. >> he wrote a check for trump. he got reimbursed by trump. yeah, he's a relevant witness. >> trump says he's a liar, don't believe him. he lied because you told him to lie. that's why it's not going to wurb. this case is going to trial. i'm convinced of it now. i think there is still a chance the d.c. election interfeens case could go as well. less likely, but because judges matter and judge chutkan wants that to go, but this one judge merchan, prepare for a trial starting in april. >> how long of a trial might that be? >> it's pretty cut and dry. it's a simple trial, a lot of paperwork. i think it could be done within a month. way before the election. >> at least before the

convention. the last thing i want to ask is about this other case, this aileen cannon situation because you're up here from florida. how are people in the legal profession parsing what she's doing? there's no legal basis for it, is there? >> no, we're trying to give her grace because we don't want to start bashing a federal judge for being corrupt. she's relatively new on the bench. when the referee continues to give all the calls to your opponent, at some point you have to question the integrity of that referee. now, look, she's new. she's in a courthouse by herself in ft. pierce. she doesn't have any adult supervision there. you can see why she keeps making mistakes, but the mistakes are always to the benefit of donald trump. >> because if you're saying the jury instructions must acquit him, why have a trial? >> that was so bizarre. she gave two potential jury instructions that you should engage with, which limits the availability of the 11th circuit court of appeal to s whole mess. so she seems to be like helping

donald trump without going overboard to get reverse and repudiated like she was when it came to the special master by the 11th circuit. >> better to get on the supreme court if he becomes president. i'm not making you say it. my last question to you, do you think it is likely and to just go to one more case because there's one other state case he can't throw out as president. georgia. does it happen before the election? >> no. i think also the fact that this is going up on appeal now, whether fani willis can stay on the case, it's going to delay the case. you can't have a trial when this is on appeal. the good news is i didn't think it was ever going to go to trial before this election. this whole mess with fani willis and nathan wade, it didn't delay anything that wasn't going to be delayed. >> dave aronberg, thank you very much. today, the u.s. submitted a draft resolution to the united nations calling for an immediate cease-fire in gaza. despite having vetoed multiple cease-fire resolutions in the

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intense fear, anguish, and pain continue to reverberate around the world over the war in gaza. where the death toll has surpassed 31,000 people according to the gaza health ministry. the status of dozens of israeli hostages taken by hamas remains unknown. amid this increasingly dire humanitarian situation, famine is now imminent. plunging 2.2 million palestinians into the broadest and most severe food crisis in the world. in a war embroil in chaos with seemingly no way out, two friends, a palestinian citizen of israel and a jewish israeli have founded standing together, an organization that works for peace between israel and palestinians. they have toured the u.s. to share what they believe is the

only path forward. and joining me now are sally abed and alonli green of standing together. thank you for being here. it is wonderful to meet you. ladies first. tell me why you founded this organization and how. >> we founded standing together under the understanding that we are a society, we are 20% palestinians and 80% jewish citizens of israel, and understood in order to live a prosperous life, social justice, equality, climate justice, and really not live under the country, a government that is controlling millions of our people who are also part of my people as a citizen of israel, we also understood we need to build a new kind of majority in israeli society. we need to build a political intention within the society to demand from our leadership an end to the occupation from self interest and shared interest. >> you know, there is a sort of tension that i have seen just in my coverage, i'm way over here,

not there on the ground, but what i see and read is a tension between israelis who very strongly support the war effort in gaza, but then there are groups of israelis who are literally protesting daily calling on netanyahu to step down and saying that there's an insufficient movement toward getting the hostages back and a disgruntalment with the war. how has your movement, which is calling for something in addition to that, cease-fire and peace, how has that been received by jewish israelis? >> i think most israelis understand to stop the killing and destruction in gaza and to bring back the hostages and we are able to bring back thousands of palestinians from israel and jewish citizens from israel. under the message, we need no

more occupation, no more wars. the only path they can also grant us jewish israelis safety. yet here in the u.s., a lot of empathy. something growing up i've never seen. how does the message go over here? there's a lot of backlash. this is created backlash in the u.s. how is your movement being received? >> it's actually been received quite well. >> people the boycott are actually attacking you all. >> true. i think it is amazing to see the solidarity, the global solidarity of the palestinian. everyone should listen to that.

one of the major things that we've come here to say is that this amazing energy around solidarity around our truth and our just cause for liberation and the occupation is to be heard but it also needs to be translated into wider coalitions and into sustainable strategy going forward and understanding the complicated impact from here. >> i wonder for you just as an israeli, do you -- terms like genocide, when people are talking about what's happening there, the use of starvation's as a weapon of war. how does that impact and how people feel impact the resident activist was ultimately seeking peace? >> we are centered around finding a solution, stopping this reality. convincing our society at not only bad for the palestinians. 30,000 people dead.

11,000 are children, killed by the bombings. they also talk about this really interest. the question of how can we gain safety and how can we break out of the cycle of wars and occupation and paying the price, as well. to build this on the ground, we care about what kind of words we use. we see them openly calling for genocidal things. >> this is the most awful conversation i've had about the act in a long time. thank you for what you are doing. >> we will be right back. t bac

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storm storm if you're like most americans who attended college, you walked away with more than a degree. perhaps some lifelong friends and easy party memories and he also walked away with loan debt. for too many americans, a mountain of debt which can make it hard to do things like pay your rent, save to buy a house or qualify for a mortgage. since if you're not donald trump, things look at the ratio of your debt to your income when deciding to give you a loan. while you can sometimes file for deferment, when the bill comes due with accrued interest, let a student loan debt often lives with us for decades. even president obama talked about how long it took him and first 80 michelle to pay off their loans. today the biden administration

has done something about that. canceling student debt for 78,000 americans. the white house treatment, the lucky recipients of public service workers are nurses, firefighters and teachers like jessica who just last month talked about how her life changed after the administration canceled her student loan debt. >> i no longer have to be forced to choose to work or to settle to simply pay off student loan debt. i know very -- married. able to pay my mortgage in los angeles because president biden has the back of hard-working americans. public servants just like me. i can invest in my retirement and secure a brighter future for my daughter. >> he promised debt relief during his 2020 and pain but was damaged by republican governors who sued the administration to get it shut down getting back up from the conservative majority on the supreme court and this is just

one of the workaround the administration has found resulting in a total of 870,000 public service workers so far and nearly 4 million americans total who have had their student loan debt erased. let's be clear, folks. this is a very big deal. nearly 6 billion dollars of debt wiped off the books. not big corporations to teachers, nurses, firefighters and a total of nearly 144 alien dollars cleared off the decks for 4 million americans overall eric americans who can now use that money to buy a home, pay rent, build up their savings, start a business or just breathe a little easier. this is life-changing for a lot of the bond it's why you vote and why you keep pushing politicians to give their promises after you vote. that the readout. all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in -- >> from should crow