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bond for his new york civil fraud judgment or new york attorney general latitia james can start seizing the very properties that trump has used to portray himself as a wealthy and successful businessman. the crux of what elevated him to the white house. an appellate court should disregard trump's claims that posting the full bond is a practical impossibility, and hitting trump where it hurt. continuing that if trump has been unable to get a company to accept his properties as collateral for a bond, it may be because using trump's real estate will generally need a property appraisal and his holdings are not nearly as valuable as defendants claim. cnn reports that trump is in panic mode as the deadline approaches. that's according to multiple sources familiar with his thinking. quote, trump's team has sought out wealthy supporters and weighed what assets could be

sold and fast. the presumptive republican presidential nominee himself has become increasingly concerned about the optics the march 25th deadline could present, especially the prospect that someone whose identity has long been tied to his wealth would confront financial crisis. perhaps included in that trump team are some right-wing talk radio and fox cable hosts, because there was mark levin tweeting out an s.o.s., calling in an outrage that no republican multi-billionaires are offering to lend trump half a billion dollars. and then there was trump's former white house chief economic adviser larry kudlow, begging shark tank's kevin o'leary on live television to pony up the money. >> i was wondering if he can't get to the supreme court, will you loan him the 460 million? >> you know -- >> just -- in order to protect america's name. think of it that way. >> to get the bond -- he was able to get the 90 plus money

from chubb. i don't know of a bond more than 90 million. i don't recall one. so you need cash to back up the bond insurance. >> sorry, donald. looks like no deal there. even elon musk, one of the world's richest people who doesn't seem to be too concerned with throwing his money away said he would not be willing to add any amount to the cause. >> you going to loan him money to help pay his bills? >> no. >> not at all in to his legal bills? >> i'm not paying his legal bills in any way, shape or form. >> yeah, you would think that maybe trump's son-in-law, jared, who obtained a $2 billion investment from saudi arabia might be willing to help out his dear old father-in-law. but he seems preoccupied by buying real estate all over eastern europe and musing about the valuable waterfront property in decimated gaza. stay classy, jared. but the reality is that whoever ultimately steps up and gives trump the money, effectively

owns him. and if that person truly believed trump will win in november, that would mean they would have purchased the president of the united states. the most powerful person in the world. if you're a saudi prince or a russian oligarch or vladimir putin himself, what could make for a more tantalizing prospect. and that reality is why this situation could quickly become a major national security threat. >> and there's who is he beholden to, whether, you know, it's a foreign person, whether it's an american person, doesn't really matter. that is something that the electorate would have a keen interest in knowing because, you know to be someone snarky about it, if it is coming from another person, then the former president and candidate for office may have 464 million reasons to do what that person wants. and so, that issue of is he beholden to somebody is going to

become quite salient as a political matter. >> and who knows how far trump would be willing to go for the person pulling his strings. if putin were to front the money and trump were to win the presidency, what happens if putin tells trump to say, pull the u.s. out of nato? of course, the investment to pay off -- for the investment to pay off, trump has to actually win in november. and the problem is, things don't seem to be going too well on that front right now. presumptive republican presidential nominee, there have still been a significant number of republican voters in state primaries who are not willing to support donald trump. his fundraising hauls are getting smaller from big and small donors alike and campaign fundraising texts are becoming more frequent and more desperate. and even though he installed his own daughter-in-law to run the rnc, they, too, are strapped for cash. beyond that it's not like trump is growing his base. his attempts to court the black

vote is a bust. forget counting on getting more women voters as he signals his support for a 15-week national abortion ban and base gets smaller, the worse it is for him. which brings us back to the desperation of a man facing the most unwelcome sound, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock. joining me now is douglas brinkly, professor of history at rice university. david k. johnston, founder of d.c. report.org. and katherine christian, msnbc legal analyst. thank you all for being here. i want to go right down the middle to david k. johnston. let's get a sense of what trump has. we'll put this up. this is an exhaustive list actually of what he actually owns. people think he owns hundreds and hundreds of things. it's really this, trump park avenue, trump tower new york, 40 wall street, 7 springs west chester, turn berry overseas in scotland. in aberdeen scotland, two golf

courses there. what does he actually got and how quick could he sell it, david? >> well, at this point anybody who would be a buyer knows they've got enormous leverage and these would be fire sale prices. in addition, donald undoubtedly have covenants in the loans on other properties that require him to maintain a certain level of cash that don't allow him to encumber or sell properties without approvals of some kind. if you have a mortgage on your home, even if you only owe 20% of the value of the house and you want to get a hel. if the first lender says, no, you can't get it and that's part of the problem that donald is in. >> the other problem, of course, douglas brinkly here at the table, is that whoever buys it, you know, as i said, if they give him the money, they loan it to him -- let me let you listen to one of his lawyers. and she has asked, one of his

attorneys, if donald trump is trying to take money from a foreign country to try to pay this bill. here she is. >> is there any effort on the part of your team to secure this money through another country, saudi arabia or russia as joy behar seems to think? >> well, there's rules and regulations that are public. i can't speak about strategy. >> douglas, that's not a no. >> that's not a no. donald trump will do anything he can to either slip out of this or find somebody to foot the bill for him. but $454 million and counting. >> and counting. >> that is a hard amount of money to find. no bank wanted to do it. no financial service, no human. there may be russian oligarchs, there may be people that are going to vote for trump that are rich. but that's just throwing money into the wind. so, monday is a historic day. latitia james is going down as this incredibly historic figure.

>> indeed. >> she's the one who seems to have held him accountable, which is only right because he made his so-called fortune in new york. he did his scams and fraudulent acts in new york. and it may be new york that gets his come uppings here come monday. >> is there a historical sort of presence dense for this? we know jp morgan at one point bailed out the u.s. government. i can't think of any other sort of precedent for this at all of essentially an individual or group of individuals being able to essentially own the president of the united states. >> well, we used to talk about worries that the lincoln bedroom was for sale in the white house. >> yeah, remember that. >> quaint. basically it's the white house's donald trump saying if i get in, you'll be my friend. we all have to keep eyes on saudi arab y and russian oligarchs and look where this money is coming from in case he does become the next president. we can't be held hostage to the loner. >> katherine, can you just walk us through how this would work. is this a matter of latitia

james with a giant padlock going up to trump tower or these buildings and locking donald trump out? how would she actually obtain or how the state of new york obtain these properties? >> well, there's a process. on monday assuming they do not grant a stay enforcement of the judgment, attorney general james is not creeding any ground will have her lawyers go to court. you have to go to court. this is not going to happen overnight. then you start requesting, he has to tell us where his liquid assets are. he, meaning donald trump. start the process of seizing those assets. start the process of seizing property. putting liens on process. assuming he doesn't come up with the bond or monday. it's a long process that will start because it's a legal process and everything will be for the attorney general's half at least above board. >> let me ask you stay with you for a moment, katherine, we know when people owe, for instance, taxes or child support, your

wages can be garnished. he is trying to right now to sell truth social, which i didn't know anybody used it besides him and a few of his hard core followers. he's trying to get a lot of money for it. he could receive a huge financial wind fall per the associated press if he puts this social media cup, trump media and technology group on the stock market under the symbol djt. trump would earn 58% of the shares of the company and it's the company that runs truth social. if he then nets a bunch of money -- because this could literally be a billion dollar, it could be a lot of money. can the attorney general's office seize those assets? >> they could try to seize liquid assets. if you're going to have sympathy for him, think about everyday there are people of modest means who have judgments against them. and if you're of modest means, $50,000 judgment is the equivalent of half a billion dollars. so, you said, child support, people who because they can't pay yumts, they are having their assets seized. and as i said, it's the

equivalent of a million if you're a person of modest means. >> this is fox. it's so interesting watching fox have to actually do the news. instead of do donald trump's pr. but, this is a fox conversation on fox about why billionaires may not be rushing to come in and help donald trump. here they are. >> what is behind their reluctance? >> it's as of now. >> i understand that. are they afraid they might not see it any time soon? the money if he even succeed on appeal? >> yeah. that's one thing. i don't want to -- i don't want to speak for bernie marcus, that's for sure. but generally donald doesn't have a great record of paying back banks over the years. and donald trump. so, you know, you can sort of surmise from that what you will. >> david.

>> anybody who loans money to donald will have to fight like hell to get paid back. and one of the aspects of this -- joy, i think is very important, is the framers of our constitution thought very carefully about corrupting the presidency. so we have the emoluments clauses. donald paid no attention to. can put money in a president's pocket. but they never occurred to them, unless doug tells me, it never occurred to me, oh, you might have a foreign government with leverage over the president because he's in debt to him. that's exactly what we're faced with is donald being beholden to mbs or orban or one of putin's criminal gang. >> and that is kind of the sort of george washington's nightmare, right? >> it was the founding of our country's nightmare that we would have somebody who is a bad player, who was either president

or in this case ex-president, trying to game the system. and you know, we have people like aaron bur. this is huge. but the good news for the justice finally coming home, $454 million has to be found. he himself, donald trump bragged a year ago, i have liquid. >> find it. produce it. >> show the money. >> we are at a point now, douglas, where i can't even fathom -- this is -- the former president of the united states is sending out desperate-looking -- this is the fundraising text. trump alert. trump alert. with the iconic trump tower, keep your filthy hands off trump tower. the desperation, it's pathetic. there's a sort of pathos to it in a way. there's no reason to feel sorry for him. he violated the emoluments clause everyday he was president having the saudis and check into

his credit cards swipe into his hotel to pay him off. now he is begging his broke supporters to send him $20. >> that's the great irony. trump supporters now will pony up a little bit. to hit that nut and there may be more to come, it's kind of impossible. if i were trump, i would try to get this out of the headlines and get rid of some properties. dump quick. you're going for the white house. don't play games right now because this is, i think, doing the most damage to him out of all of the cases he's had. this here because monday is looming and he might be able to punt for another week or couple weeks, but that money will be due. >> how could he punt it, katherine? his lawyers aren't like a-listers but very good at delaying justice in the criminal cases. the civil cases not so much. is there way to delay this again? >> i don't believe they can. because remember, he -- the day the judgment was issued by judge engoron, that's when it was due. he was given 30 days to pay. so he already has been given a

grace period. now, of course, his lawyers can go into court and ask for more of a grace period. but he's already been given a month. >> david j. johnston, he wasted that month going around praising hitler and telling jewish people they don't love their rely onif they don't love him and doing all sorts of other shenanigans. why hasn't he been trying to raise the money rather than saying a whole lot of things that make him sound like his brain is as smooth as a baby's bottom. >> well, i would ask the question, why hadn't he started doing this two years ago? once this case began, donald's own words made it clear that he thought this was a kangaroo court and therefore he would have to pay. you would plan for that. but donald doesn't plan. it's one of the ways he's very different from barack obama. barack obama played political chess that he was seven moves ahead of everybody else on the board, which is how he pulled off some things that didn't look like you could pull them off. donald is like a student who goes out partying all night and then at 7:00 a.m. says, oh, i have to turn my term paper in by

noon. and it looks like the same quality work, too. >> yes, indeed. douglas brinkly, david k. johnston, katherine christian, thank you all very much. get to work, donald. you have to come up with some cash. up next on "the reidout," donald trump has his unhelpful pattern of picking candidates in primaries who might be too extreme to win the actual election. and that's exactly what happened last night in ohio. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. shop etsy until april 15th and get up to 30% off thoughtful pieces made by real people to brighten your home. save on lighting, furniture, gifts and more. when you need 'just the thing' to make your space feel like new... etsy has it.

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joining me now is david jolly. david, you know, yesterday a source of mine from ohio i asked which candidate were they concerned about, you know, facing in the united states senate. and they said basically the other two other than moreno. the one they were enthusiastic winning was moreno. that's the one that we want. the sherrod brown team wants. does donald trump work for joe biden secretly? is he trying to elect joe biden? >> joy, republicans keep learning all the wrong lessons. i mean, look, you can look at the past several cycles and even democrats would say, ohio is slipping away from them. until last night. when all of a sudden republicans and donald trump say, hey, let's run moreno against a very popular democratic incumbent sherrod brown not just holding ohio but holding the senate for

democrats. you're exactly right. all the wrong lessons are look at herschel walker in georgia a pick-up they should have had in '22, dr. oz and ohio they nominated jd vance, he underperformed by about 20 points. mike dewine two years ago won by 25 points other statewide candidates in the high teens. jd vance with his level of trumpian crazy just bested tim ryan by six. so, donald trump and republicans have decided, hey, let's vote in november with a whole shoe box full of crazy, see if we can lose races we otherwise should have won and hand the united states senate back to the democrats. >> kari lake in arizona -- does this make any sense. >> you know what we're missing, joy -- here is what we're missing from republicans this cycle, i am not a witch. do you remember that? >> i know. >> a candidate this cycle will say, i'm not a witch. >> maybe they should run a

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it's been two years since the conservative supreme court decided that women in america are second-class citizens. since then about half of american states have passed draconian forced-birth abortion laws that tell women and doctors what they can and cannot do. in january, we got a sense of the trauma these laws are inflicting on women. there have been roughly 64,000 pregnancies caused by rape in states with total abortion bans. 64,000 forced births.

yesterday the gut marker institute announced that more than 6 in 10 abortions in 2023 were done by medication. which is a significant jump since 2020. the increase is due in part to the supreme court overturning roe v. wade. shuttering clinics, leading to more in need for telehealth abortion care and abortions through medication. which explains why the forced birth party now wants to restrict access to those medications. next week, the supreme court will hear oral arguments from right wing groups claiming that the fda illegally accelerated approve of mifepristone, one of the two available medications to assist in abortions. and that the distribution of that medication violates the comstock laws 19th century laws that criminalized abseen materials. clear for you, republicans want the supreme court to effectively ban the most popular form of medical abortion for every single woman in america. regardless of where they live. red, or blue state.

this comes after justice samuel alito and brett kavanaugh assures you had that abortion should be left up to the people and their state representatives. yeah, right. now some miracle the supreme court doesn't ban abortion nationwide and you really shouldn't hold your breath on that one, forced birth republicans have a back-up plan and that is donald trump. the adjudicated sexual assaulter who said women should be punished for having abortions. and he's making it clear that he, too, has decided what's best for women and he's looking -- it's looking for him like a 15-week national abortion ban. apparently when you're the president, they let you do it. women of america, you better wake up because the cavalry you're waiting for isn't someone or something else. it is you. and the only way to save us from our republican orchestrated hand maid's tale is to get out and vote for candidates who actually respect a woman's right to choose. to that point, a number of activists in various states are trying to pass ballot

initiatives that would enshrine abortion access into various state constitutions. one of those states is arizona. which has an 1864 abortion ban on the books which some are asking the arizona supreme court to put into effect. the problem today is that women have been deemed secondary to guns, corporations and religion. decisions affecting women's health are being drafted largely by a republican party dominated by right wing christian men. on monday, arizona democratic state senator eva burch shared with her colleagues something that no one should feel the need to discuss in public, her need for an abortion. >> we have determined that my pregnancy is once again not progresses. and is not viable. and once again, i have scheduled an appointment to terminate my pregnancy. right now the safest and most appropriate treatment for me and the treatment that i choose is abortion. but the laws that this

legislature has passed has interfered with my ability to do that along with countless others. i want to explain what i mean and why i'm still pregnant. first i was required to have another ultrasound at the abortion clinic. i didn't have an ultrasound because my doctor thought i needed one. i had one because legislation forced me to do that. then i got to sit through an exhaustive list of absolute disinformation that was read off to me. i was told that there were alternatives to abortion parenting or adoption among them. as if delivering a healthy baby is an option for me.

there's no one size fits all script for people seeking abortion care and the legislature doesn't have any right to assign one. i'm pregnant and for reasons that i should not have to explain to you or to the church or to the state of arizona. i need to not be pregnant anymore. that's the best outcome for me. >> senator ava birch joins me now. thank you so much for being here. i wonder how it felt having to disclose your personal medical information to your colleagues just to be able to express your right to have healthcare. >> oh, thank you. thank you for having me. it's never easy to share the most private moments of your life at a time where you are

feeling lost and feeling vulnerability. i knew this was a really unique opportunity. i'm right in the middle of what is really the most critical intersection in the conversation about reproductive healthcare and access to abortion. i've been a patient seeking abortion. i've been a medical provider in the reproductive healthcare space, and now a lawmaker. i have seen and experienced firsthand from every angle how our decisions have failed the people of arizona and i have an obligation to those who elected me to do what i can to be an advocate. i felt like i had to take the opportunity. >> when i watched your speech, what struck me was, the infantization of women. you are being told you have to watch a video about adoption. your pregnancy is nonviable. there's no adoption option. is this what the status is? that people have to be lectured about their health, and not by

their doctor. who is giving this speech? >> so, just to clarify, it's not a video i have to watch. it's my medical provider who is required to say a number of things really regardless of the circumstances that the individual is in. what we really should have is a stake holder process when we are creating laws about reproductive healthcare. which would include medical organizations and doctors. people who are working directly in their field, but they are being legislated against. it's extremist politicians with no background in healthcare, who are essentially writing these scripts for the doctors. they are not interested in patients having good outcomes or getting high quality care. the transparently and openly want to manipulate and frighten patients. they are using laws to try and cohearse doctors into changing their patient's mind with no regard for their circumstances. but in my case, yes, i was told a number of things that don't apply to my situation.

i was told i could consider parenting or consider adoption, which is really an unkind and cruel thing to say to someone who really is experiencing a pregnancy loss. i was also told that if i chose to continue my pregnancy, that the father would have to financially support me. which in my case, of course, is my husband and it's ridiculous thing to say. so they really don't have any regard for individual circumstances. they are being told what to say. >> you are somebody who has been pregnant before. you have children. people are assuming that this is, you know, people who are in this situation of abortions are people who do not want to be a parent. you are a parent, no? >> i am a parent. i have two little boys who i love and i'm so lucky to have. and we have actively tried to get pregnant for a long time. this time we were not actively trying to get pregnant, but we were not actively trying not to

get pregnant, we were just letting things happen and you know, we'll see when we cross that bridge. when we found out, we were very excited about it. but i think there is this narrative that people who are against abortion are trying to push about who the abortion patient is. and i felt like it was really important to me that i had to show that the abortion patient can come from anywhere and can be in any different circumstance. what's happening to me is really common. pregnancy failure and pregnancy loss is incredibly common and we are patients, too. and all of our rights deserve the same regard. >> absolutely. arizona is one of states along with arkansas, colorado, florida, missouri, nevada, that are considering indivisible would enshrine women's right to abortion. somebody who has had three children, that the idea of forcing someone to do this, whether the child is nonviable

or even more horrifically, in the case of rape or incest, is such a front, i can't believe anyone would do it. is this going to be a voting issue in arizona this year? >> absolutely it is. there has never been a more critical time for families in arizona. we're closer than ever to restoring access to abortion and to restoring choice. we do have a ballot initiative that folks are collecting signatures for, into arizona's constitution. and so because we are a background, our state has an opportunity to flip both the house and the senate in november. >> absolutely. absolutely. arizona state senator, ava burch, wishing you well, and wishing you well for your health and what you're trying to do for women. thank you so much. that is tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in. >> my father built the skyline of new york city and this