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that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. good evening. i'm jonathan jonathan capeheart in for stephanie ruhle. it is primary night in several states. that includes a crucial cent republican primary. nbc news can project car dealer
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bernie moreno has defeated dolan and frank larose, who were considered traditional republican candidates. moreno will face three-time senator sherrod brown in november. and on the west coast, california's congressional 20th district will hold a special election to see who will fill out former house speaker kevin mccarthy's term. if no one gets the amount, the top two will face off. and we have suzanne with "the weekend." and brandon buff, adviser. thank you for being here. >> hi. >> you know ohio politics. your reaction to what we're
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seeing in the buckeye state tonight? >> well, obviously a big win for donald trump. he had to go in there at the last minute and do a rally for bernie moreno to push him over the finish line. it's not often that the trump- endorsed candidate needs to feel backup at the last minute. but it's a risky play. everybody in at least established in republican circles thought were perhaps the better positioned to win. this is a critical seat. republicans are banking everything on taking back the senate now. i think they are going to take west virginia. so you've got 50-50. every other seat on the map is basically a pickup opportunity. and ohio is a critical one to take. sherrod brown is obviously someone who has been able to buck the trend of the state in
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ohio, moving red. but you have bernie moreno who is basically trying to be a trump-like candidate. and there's a are have poor track record, of people trying to be trump-like who aren't donald trump, and succeeding in an election. >> just an hour ago, with lawrence o'donnell. watch this. >> bernie moreno always looks out for himself. i mean, he is -- he's said in this campaign, that he won't work with democrats. he just is going to go to washington and do has own thing. he's illustrated that again by calling for national motion ban, with no exceptions, even though ohio, overwhelmingly last november, voted by 13 points for constitutional amendments, abortion rights. the arrogance of he doesn't really care what the voters want. that's really who he is. and we will make that contrast. >> mark. i want to pick up on something that brendan was just talking about. and that is the importance of
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this senate seat. this senate seat is going to be huge. first of two questions. what sticks out to you about this race. >> what stood out to me was actually the importance. and i want to follow up on what brendon was talking about. bernie is the riskier republican winning. and you even had democratic groups that were advertising, pushing up and promoting moreno, calling him the very conservative candidate in this race, who is backed by donald trump. so democrats almost seemed to also think that he was their favorite candidate. but here is the brutal math in ohio. donald trump won in 2016 and 2020 by 8 percentage points. so while moreno might end up being the riskier pick and the math suggests that for sherrod brown to be able to win, if you assume that donald trump wins ohio, you're going to have to find a lot of donald trump
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share of brown voters. so that, to me, is going to be key in arn era where we have fewer and fewer crossover votes between the presidential senate and gubernatorial contests. >> okay, mark. here's my second question. and i'm throwing a curve ball. that graphic we had up of moreno, larose and dolan. you've got moreno who is in the lead, with 500 -- i think it's -- here it is. now it's at 542,186 votes. if you add up the -- if youa add up to lan and larose. and i'm no good at math. especially on live television. but they're almost -- they're almost even. if you add up dolan and larose, they come up just under by maybe a few thousand votes, under moreno. what signal does that send to the republican party about the
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strength of moreno and maybe the danger that is posed by donald trump? >> yeah, jonathan. it was always a competitive race. and there wasn't a whole lot of high-quality polling heading into tonight. but the polls actually kind of indicated that this was going to be closer than it turned out to be. and i end up having flashbacks to the 2022 ohio senate race. remember when jd vance was the person who ended up getting endorsement from donald trump. matt on dolan also in that race. and you have a candidate who was playing. josh mandell, who also was in there. and what was interesting in that primary, in 2022, was that jd vance only get 32 to 33% of the vote, even with donald trump's endorsement in 2022. but in these kind of races, and i think what you're alluding to in a three-person race, the person who ends up having
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donald trump's endorsement does matter. and now it becomes incumbent upon moreno to start uniting has party. and you already ended up seeing that dolan ended up congratulating him and saying he's going to do everything he can to help republicans defeat sherrod brown in november. sy ymone. two thirds say president biden did not win the 2020 election. how do we deal with that as we barrel towards another 2020 election. >> the facts are that joe biden did win that election in 2020. as did every house member, frankly on the ballot. you can't say joe biden didn't legitimately win the other seats. that's some of how folks should be talking about this. but i think to piggyback off of the piggybacks, from brendan
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and mark. look. the senate is definitely on the ballot in 2024. we talk a lot about the presidential, a lot about house races, the house of representatives is up. but democrats are defending 23 seats this year. and you could say 22. because west virginia is all but a foregone conclusion. i don't think there's going to be a lot of money or effort being poured into west virginia. so 22 seats is a lot to defend. there are very few, if any, pickup opportunities. i think if there is one, it is texas. republicans in texas say if anyone has a chance to beat ted cruz, it is collin allred. democrats are, i think, going into, as we get closer and closer into november. you're going to hear folks' campaign about the president. and vice presidents talk more about the president. you heard sherrod brown, talking about abortion. that ballot amendment that was on the ballot just last year in
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ohio. that is going to be, i believe, a critical piece of messaging in ohio. and these battleground states across the country. >> as politico puts it. an old guard puts it in tonight. but because of maga that didn't happen, brendan. is this more about the strength or the weakness of the gop, quote/unquote, establishment. >> donald trump's rise that you don't have to worry about the establishment, the independence. electability. electability is something we threw out the window. bernie was. nobody considers that anymore. and it's an appealing idea. if you never have to moderate,
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and you can just rally the base every time. that's appealing to a lot of people. and a lot of people have thrown in that way. and that's the risk we're running in ohio or otherwise. can you throw out that joe biden is completely unacceptable. it worked for them in 2016. ever since then, we have seen it's not a very reliable path. >> mitch mcconnell called it "candidate quality" is a big concern of his. let's move to another of today's big stories. donald trump backlash for comments many are calling anti- semitic. >> tonight, former president trump casting his ballot in florida. democrats are slamming down as anti-semitic. >> democrats have been very, very opposed to jewish people, that's true, and israel. all you have to do is look at senator schumer and what he did
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with israel. it's a disgrace. >> chuck schumer blasted the former president earlier today. >> the former president's comments are disgusting. and the form of textbook pushing jews. and dual loyalty. >> trump was asked about schumer's rebuke of israeli prime mip ster netanyahu. >> why do the democrats hate bibi netanyahu. >> i think they hate israel. >> even i am amazed at how many people are in those marches. and guys like schumer see that. i think it's votes. any juppish person that votes for democrats hates their religion, they hate everything about israel. and they should be ashamed of themselves because israel will
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be destroyed. >> reporter: the remarks quickly condemned by the anti- dev make lesion. the biden person saying, quote, the only person who should be ashamed here is donald trump. >> no arguments here. symone. trump has a history of comments like this, calling views who vote democratic, disloyal. he knows the reaction they get and he doesn't care. what message is he sending to the electorate, by continuing to say things like this. or even calling immigrants, quote, animals, as he did this past weekend. >> migrant -- >> he said people who are literally coming to the border of this country, are not human. and turned around a couple of days later and said, if jewish people don't want to vote for republicans, if they don't want to vote for me, they hate israel. they're not real jews. it's insane. it is absolutely insane. and jonathan, i'm so glad we're
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talking about donald trump's comments. when chris christie exited the republican presidential primary, which seems like eons ago at this point. when he gave his remarks in that round table, round-rotunda type thing, town hall, if you will. what he said was that donald trump is for himself. chris christie said, make no mistake. when it comes down to, if you put donald trump in office and it's between what is best for america or best for donald trump, he's going to choose himself. and what we've seen him play out on the campaign trail is he consistently sets up this dichotomy of you are with me or you're against me. and if you are against me, you are bad. not good. and will frankly, that's how he's ran his political life the moment he came down that golden escalator. this is something every republican is going to have to contend with. because he is at the top of the
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republican ticket. we asked joe biden what he thought about the president. and he said, y, y, and x. >> i wonder what they think about the former president's comments here. >> mark, can you help give us some content here? in past elections, we've seen jewish supporters largely back democrats, african american voters, women. you study polling and election results. is that changing at all? >> yeah, jonathan, over the last several voting cycles, jewish voters have been one of the most reliable bloc of voters. in 2021, hillary clinton won about two-thirds of jewish voters, while donald trump got only about a quarter. in 2020, you ended up having
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joe biden getting about 68% of the jewish vote, and donald trump around 30%. so it was a little smaller than what we saw in 2016, but overwhelmingly, jewish voters have been backing democratic candidates [ inaudible ] his offensive comments was trying to seize -- some of the decisions in the israel-hamas war that have gone on. but overwhelmingly, as i told you, as the nbc go, jewish voters have been democratic voters. >> well, we thought we lost you for a moment there, mark. but we didn't. i'm glad we got your full answer. brendan. this is the point in the campaign, especially now that both donald trump and president biden are the presumptive nominees of their respective parties for president. and i should note that both the president and donald trump are the projected winners of the arizona primary tonight. but this is when they're
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supposed to expand the base. when they're supposed to reach out and bring more people in, so that -- get more votes and beat the other person. donald trump doesn't seem to have any interest in that at all. why? because you don't win by subtracting. >> he did in 2016. if we're waiting for the kinder, gentler. that's not going to happen. there's been a lot of conversation. how is he going to open his arms to nikki haley. the more moderate republicans. he's not. his game plan, as we talked about is going to be to turn out the base. it is to make joe biden so unacceptable to them that they voted for donald trump for a month. maybe what mitch mcconnell said, i can't vote for joe biden. he is a bigger threat to my
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livelihood. that's the play for the middle voters. he has no intention of becoming a new, reinvented donald trump. we waited long enough that's never going to happen. >> that move might be successful in an election -- in a country that is almost evenly divided, and you're fighting for votes on the margin, if you will. s ymone. trump has fully embraced, calls them hostages. many americans were shocked and saddened by what happened on january 6th. why is trump so dead set on sticking up for the people responsible for ransacking the capitol? >> because these are his people. donald trump told the folks who were at the capitol, to go there. he addressed them on the ellipse. and then, allegedly tried to go join them at the capitol himself. these are his people. so he feels some sort of sense of responsibility for them.
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like i'm with them. i think people should take a step back. the 45th president of the united states of america is saying that he's with the people that took up arms against the united states government to try to stop a peaceful transition of power. he's with the people that beat police officers. what happened to "back the blue"? >> i mean, it truly is incredible that we have the presumptive republican presidential nominee citing with people we watched with our own eyes do what they did and were convicted if are it. mark, symone, brendan. thank you all. when we come back, trump asks the supreme court for absolute immunity. we'll break down both sides with two of our legal analysts. and later, the biden campaign is launching a new push to bring latino companies around the country. maria and david are here on
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denial of criminal immunity would incapacitate every president with exfacto blackmail and extortion while in office. the threat would become a political cudgel to influence the most sensitive and controversial presidential decisions, taking away the strength, authority, and decisiveness of the presidency. for more, let's get to former federal prosecutor and legal analyst glen kirshner and deputy chief. she's also an msnbc legal analyst. what did you think of today's brief? and what are you expecting from the supreme court on this? >> oh. it's very difficult to predict where the supreme court might land. they are not the most
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consistent institution of government these days. but here's what really sort of bothered me when i was reading through this new court filing in the supreme court. >> the very first section of summary. i'm going to use a nice word, jonathan. is inaccurate. or i could call it a lie. here's how they open that section of their brief. they say, quote, a former president, enjoys absolute immunity from criminal prosecution, for his official acts, closed quote. here's the problem with that assertion of fact. there is no law. there is no precedent, no appellate court opinion. there is no constitutional provision that supports that assertion of fact. indeed, the constitution provides the exact opposite in the impeachment judgment clause, where it says, somebody can be impeached by the house
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of representatives and convicted on the articles of impeachment by the september. and they can still be prosecuted for the same product. if they wanted to open their brief with, we would like the supreme court to adopt the position that a president has absolute immunity, created out of whole cloth. that would be fine. but when they assert something as a matter of fact, and it's not a fact, i think that's a really weak way to open a supreme court brief. >> chris christy, what did you make of that brief? >> i think they looked at at this time extension. when it says whether there is immunity. and really took it on. and said, we should be looking at absolute immunity.
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if you don't agree with that. we should be looking at this absolute and by the way, you need to send that back to the district court. what does that get you? delay, delay, delay. back to the officials. back to the district court. it is highly unlikely, then, that this happens before election. they are taking that to the supreme court and really looking to try to extend the time that this will take to get decided. >> well, glen, kristy just anticipated -- i was about to ask you about that very thing. about the judges potentially sending the questions back to a lower court for fact finding. that would certainly be another delay. but do you think that is something especially when -- i'm sure they were listening to the arguments that we all got to hear. where trump's folks said, yeah. if he ordered seal team 6 to go
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murder -- do a political hit. it yeah. he would be immune for prosecution. >> i don't think they'll remand it to the trial court for additional hearings and findings. exactly what kind of crimes a president should be allowed to commit in his zeal to unlawfully and unconstitutionally retain the presidency. i also think, jonathan, that the supreme court covets its supreme status, and if they start ruling that a president can commit all the crimes he wants with complete immunity against prosecution. donald trump has told us, his words, he'll be a dictator on day 1. and if there's one thing a dictator has no use for, it's the supreme court. i think that's another reason that the supreme court would bestow upon a president
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absolute immunity against prosecution at their own peril. and i think they covet their own status. >> argued that the 2020 election interference case, and i'm quoting here, strikes at the heart of democracy. what could we see in the special counsel's next brief, which is due april 8th. >> i think you're going to see a number of responses to these arguments. these numbers where donald trump argues, if a president is subject to criminal liability, you would have a weak and hollow president that is scared of prosecution when leaving office. and i think you're going to say, former presidents, including donald trump have believed themselves to not be immune from criminal liability. remember the impeachment proceedings in 2021, when trump's own counsel said that he was not immune from the judicial process and the proper
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place to take up any issues, post presidency, would be in the courts. you know, you also have -- the idea of this prospect of criminal liability is a bad thing. it's actually a benefit. you should want presidents to think that if they take some criminal action, that they could have consequences for that. that there would be accountability. that is a good part of our system. you would want good criminal accountability, as opposed to a dictator, which is what president trump wants. i would expect that for donald trump's team. the counsel will come out swinging against that point. >> glen, let's talk about judge alene cannon, who is overseeing the classified documents case in florida. she's getting attention for her slow pace. she's now asking the defense and prosecution for competing jury instructions. last i checked, we don't even have a date for a trial. what's going on here? >> jonathan, we could spend an
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hour doing a law school class on what is wrong with this page and a half border from judge cannon you hit the hail on the head. jury discussions happen, and we discuss them closer and closer to the trial. and finally, you can't until all of the evidence is presented during the trial proper. because only then you will know what jury instructions are appropriate. i'd drop this in the recusal bucket. only a couple of days ago, judge cannon said that law has been there since 2017. i think maybe it's void for vagueness. but you know what? here's what i'm going to do. i'll deny it without prejudice now. but i'm going to urge you to bring it up later, when i can actually deny it in a way that you, jack smith, can't appeal it later. if i can just read one thing
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from this order. this is not a jury instruction. this is a command to the jury that you may not convict donald trump. here's what she says. a president has sole authority, under the pra. the presidential records act, to categorize records as personal. neither a court nor jury is able to ignore or review such a decision. an outgoing president's decision to exclude what he considers to be personal records to the national archives, constitutes a president's calculation of those records as personal. that's not a jury instruction. that is a command to the jury, that you may not convict donald trump because of what i have just instructed you. these -- this is the kind of thing that i suggest further supports a motion to recuse,
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because impartiality may be in question. real quickly. because we're out of time, glenn. just from what you read. to me, that seems to fly in the face of the presidential records act. right? >> it absolutely does. okay. >> all records are presidential records with the exception of things like journals and diaries. >> right. right. yeah. i mean, i studied the presidential records act back in 2008, when hillary -- there were questions about hillary clinton's records in the clinton library you send something to the white house, it's going into the archives, just so you know. when we come back. the new push to win over latino voters, when "the 11th hour" continues. ntinues. we're talking about cashbacking. we're talking about... we're not talking about practice? no... cashbacking.
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poisoning the blood of our country. what the hell is he talking about? i need you. i need you badly. kamala and i desperately need your help. look. there's only about six or seven states that are going to come down to this coming election. they're tossup states this state is one of them. david, maria teresa, thank you for being here. maria teresa, what do you think from this new push from the biden campaign? how do you think it will resonate with latino voters. >> we discussed the president two weeks ago in las vegas. what we're seeing is we cannot have another trump presidency. because it was one thing what he said, but more importantly, what he did. it was yes, a separation of children at the border of their
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families, putting kids in cages. but it was also using social media to incite violence. jonathan, we can't forget that his words had offline effects, with el paso massacre, 21,000 were killed simply because they were latino. the tree of life synagogue; and all the victims between pittsburgh and el paso. for us, this is a red alert. it's time for us to get serious about the latino vote. recognizing that he was in arizona because he won that state. and it flipped by less than 12,000 votes. but it's also also in nevada, also north carolina. also pennsylvania. >> as we showed in those clips, the president said, you know, you're the reason why, in large part, i beat donald trump. we also heard him saying, you know, i need you badly. what we didn't show was he was applauded. and i got that from the pool report. so is it really true that latino voters are turning to
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trump and republicans? or -- or what is the danger here? what is the real danger here? >> so the real danger. it's not so much that they're turning to republicans. i often say, look at what they're doing. the republicans have not won a significant amount of latino voters. do they win at the margin? a little bit. but not enough to make impact. what i mean by that, if you saw what happened in the abortion bill in ohio. it was black and latino voters that supported that piece of legislation, for it to go through. white women -- even white women in ohio were evenly split. and it's because the majority of latino women believe they need to have access to abortion care. many are saying, i'm not sure what the president has done, if he's done enough. so i think i'm going to entertain the idea of a third party candidate. that saturday danger. one of the reasons we endorse, we need to explain to folks that the reason they have $35
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insulin is because of the president. the reason their student loan is forgiven is because of the president. the reason for infrastructure like arizona and nevada is because of the i.r.a. and the investment in the community. and it's really going to be, i believe -- this election is going to be an election of storytelling and the narratives. what kind of america do you want to live in? one with due process? one that believes in rules and laws? one that actually provides benefits when you vote? or one that wants to to be an autocrat and basically derive the constitution and not have the right influence of our democracy in place. >> david, i want to switch gears and talk about the primary results out of ohio tonight. what do you make of the result. >> the trump-backed candidate for senator bernie moreno. he won the primary, against two other republicans who got just about the same amount of votes, when you put them together. but what do you make out of the results out of ohio? >> i don't think it's that much
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of a surprise. you can go back to the jd vance race and realize that donald trump's imprint on ohio republicans is strong. and matt dolan out of ohio, even though he was a strong, mainstream conservative, very conservative candidate, it's just not the direction the party is going. number one. in is a good night for sherrod brown. sherrod brown is a strong, incumbent democratic senator, who needs to win ohio, if the democrats who had any hope of keeping the u.s. senate in their control. and secondly, fast forward. let's say moreno worked to top sherrod brown. what is emerging from the u.s. senate is now akin to the freedom caucus in the house. if you look at jd vance, mike lee, ted cruz, josh hallie. moreno. perhaps a rick scott, they can cause a lot of trouble for
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whoever succeeds mitch mcdonnell, whether majority or minority. >> donald trump is facing problems within his own coalition, losing ground with the small donors who carried his first and second presidential campaigns. how bad is this for him? >> it's very bad. because they don't want to pay his legal judgments and litigation fee. and they see what the grist and the graft really look like now. i think donald trump's legal problems are real, personally and professionally. i think what we need to be concerned about is, does that create a danger in donald trump the candidate and possibly as president again. is he willing to look to bad actors to? foreign actors, for some type of financial reprieve? how does it influence his behavior going forward. we've seen this game with donald trump and it's not a good one. and he blends ethnic rules and conflict rules and that is ultimately bad with the nation.
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>> maria teresa, i'd love to get your input. we know that the biden-harris campaign has $155 million cash on hand. and trump's campaign and all their little money outlets together have what? like $40 million or something like that, cash on hand. then you add on top of that, the financial trouble he has, getting the bond money. >> right. >> for the $400-something million bond he's got out there. i think david raises a good point. i mean, he raised it as a question, could this be a problem? but i think that was a rhetorical question he was asking. >> we have been able to see what donald trump does. we don't need to look for what happens when he's in the oval office. just look how much ivanka have when they advised the president. they have billions in deals, whether we're talking the middle east, whether we're
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talking patents and licensing in china. when we talk about compromise, they already have been in many ways. what happens when he has all of these legal bills, trying to finance what is going to be a billion-dollar election, more than likely. it puts all of us at risk. and that is what i think the american people have to remember. that at the end of the day, remember the chaos that we live every single day being, afraid of what was going to be on his twitter feed. the amount of anxiety people were living with. now is an opportunity for us to take a step back. take a beat and say, who do we want in the oval office? it's not just about donald trump and his finances. it is literally, how is the security of the nation going to be under has watch? >> thank you very much for coming to "the 11th hour." putin has an idea for the battlefield in russia's war on ukraine. and if involves setting up on land that doesn't belong to russia. we get into it with amp bass
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ambassador mcfaul, what is youred why to this reaction to buffer zones? >> horrific, tragic, scary, barbaric, but not surprising. i think there's been a lot of hope that if we could just give putin some territory, that he would just go away, and that he would cut a deal. lots of western analysts in europe and the united states keep saying, zelenskyy needs to deal with putin. needs to sit down and cut a deal, blame blaming zelenskyy for his company. and saying he is not going to stop until he is scoped on the battlefield. i wish it were otherwise. but he speaks it plain as day. he said it yet again today, he will not stop devouring ukrainian territory, and killing ukrainians, until he is stopped on the battlefield.
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>> and ukrainian president zelenskyy as we spoke about, is calling it a buffer zone escalation. and you know, he was reelected at 87%. will anything weaken putin's power. >> well, thank you for putting the word "election" in quotes with your hands. because it wasn't an election. we should stop citing an election. when we do that, we're pretending it's an election. but it's not. this reminds me of soviet-era elections, which i remember, because i'm that old. i remember going to them. and going to this extent, 86%. that's embarrassing for his own supporters. he is not even trying to put up veneers.
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juliana, who has taken the baton from her murdered husband, alexei. she said on youtube, go out on election day, at noon on election day, to show in lines that we are still here. and thousands, tens of thousands of russians, inside russia and throughout embassies around the world, did so. and in my view, therefore, i think yulia naval nia was the real hero. >> let me get you on one more thing. russia has made incremental gains as ukraine runs low on ammission. republicans and congress have dragged their feet. some supporting the idea that senator graham posted, after meeting with zelenskyy yesterday. and i'm going to quote this. president trump's idea of turning aid from the u.s. into
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a low-interest, wavable loan. is that a viable solution for the stalemate in congress? or even for ukraine? >> you know, i just want senator graham and everybody else elected in america to act in the democratic way. and to be different than russia. there is a senate bill that was approved by a large majority. already approving $60 billion in assistance to ukraine. by all accounts, if speaker johnson allows his people to vote, it will pass the house of representatives, and then president biden will sign it into law. that's how democracy is supposed to work. let the representatives of the united states of america, the people that voted there vote, and we'll get that a bill through. maybe down the road, senator graham's ideas can be enttained. but right now, that assistance is needed. every day that it is not
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passed, not just soldiers are being killed, but civilians because we don't provide the missile defense they are waiting for. members, let your people vote. >> ambassador, michael mcfaul. thank you, as always. on that throat. i wish you a good night. you can catch me every weekend on the saturday show and the sunday show, at 6:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. we'll see you this weekend. (shouting) i can't! i'm just telling everyone! ...hey! see your tax refund go further with buy one get one free at visionworks. see the difference. with chase freedom unlimited, you can cashback 3% on dining including take-out. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or the tacos at the taco shack.
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