passes a federal law, unless they specify it applies to the president, it doesn't. that's a new one. but the court, remember, said whether and to what extent. and if they hold, for whatever reason there is some extent where there's immunity, that means remand. he's never going to win, trump, but it means another round, and that means another round up and down the courts. that means another month anyway. that's the delay aspect of the question they've framed. >> harry litman, thank you very much. >> thanks, chris. that's all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner starts now. thanks at home for joining us this hour. staff sergeant gonel was one of many capitol police officers brutally beaten by rioters during the insurrection on january the 6th. months afterwards he testified to the january 6th committee quote, my fellow officers and

i were punched, pushed, kicked, shoved, sprayed with chemical irritants, and even blinded with eye damaging lasers by a violent mob who apparently saw us law enforcement officers dedicated to, ironically, protecting them as u.s. citizens, as an impediment in their attempted insurrection. i vividly heard officers screaming in agony and pain just an arm's length from me. i too was crushed by the rioters. i could feel myself losing oxygen, and recall thinking to myself this is how i'm going to die. trampled defending this entrance, end quote. because of the injuries he sustained on january 6th, the star sergeant had to retire from the force. but in some ways, he's still reliving that day. just yesterday, the former sergeant had to testify during a sentencing hearing for one of the capitol rioters who brutally attacked him on january the 6th. michael mackerel pleaded

guilty last year to a felony for assaulting police officers. according to court documents, he tackled multiple police officers. and at one point he wrapped his arm around the neck of a capital police officer and threw the officer to the ground. yesterday he was sentenced to 27 months in prison. he joins over 1300 others who have been charged for their role in the violence, and with each passing day, more perpetrators are being arrested. including a conservative influencer arrested this week. she allegedly helped steal a table from inside the capitol that was then used to assault police on january 6th. last week, another man was arrested for allege there firing a pistol into the air multiple times as the crowd around him surged. john boneulos is one of many who took weapons to the capitol that day, including guns and machetes. it's important to remember all this, how terrible and traumatic january 6th was.

because more than three years later, as we continue to watch the near continuous stream of arrests connected to the violence on january 6th, this is how the republican party's presumptive nominee, the man, who let's not forget, incited that riot, this is how he decided to kick off a campaign speech this weekend in ohio. >> ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated january 6th hostages. ♪ oh say can you see by the dawn's early light, what so proudly we hail at the twilight's last gleaming. ♪ >> well, thank you very much. and you see the spirit from the hostages. that's what they are, is

hostages. they've been treated terribly and very unfairly. >> now, if you're thinking to yourself that nails on chalk board rendition of the national anthem sounds a tad familiar, you'd be right. trump has played that rendition at multiple rallies. and it's not because trump thinks those jailed capitol rioters are vocal prodigies. his reference to january 6th hostages are now a campaign main stay. and it serves a specific purpose, ripped right from the pages of the authoritarian play book. timmy snider has for years been warning of our current political trajectory and the rise of in europe. he points out there's chilling echos in the past. before hitler came to power, a chief nazi propagandaist tried to find a victim of the far

left. he eventually found a dubious character who became the subject of the nazi's main song. trump has made a similar move turning his coup as musicians of martyrs. trump's ohio speech was riddled with dehumanizing language, especially when it comes to immigrants. here's some of what trump said about migrants at the southern border. >> they're in jail for years, if you call them people, i don't know if you call them people. in some cases they're not people, in my opinion. but i'm not allowed to say that because the radical left says that's not a terrible thing to say. they say you have to vote against him because did you hear what he said about humanity? i've seen the humanity, and these humanity, these are bad, these are animals okay?

and we have to stop it. >> trump's dehumanization of immigrants, the martyrdom of the so-called january 6th hostages, that's the context that set off alarm bells for many people in the speech. where trump threatened if he loses in november, there's going to be a blood bath. here is exactly what he said. >> we're going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you're not going to be able to sell those. if i get elected, now if i don't get elected, it's going to be a blood bath for the whole, that's going to be the least of it. it's going to be a blood bath for the country. that will be the least of it. >> it's going to be a blood bath for the country. that'll be the least of it. that'll be the least of it is important here. that part of the speech set off alarm bells for a reason. but the hand wringing began immediately. what did trump really mean?

was he just talking about cars? or was he threatening violence. trump today tried to clear it up himself today. >> so blood bath talking about it's going to be blood bath in the auto industry because we'll lose the whole industry because this guy is going to all electric cars, and they're made in china. >> oh, blood bath in the auto industry. trump is saying nothing to see here. liberals are getting stirred up about nothing. i was talking about cars. but as professor snider points out, trump is calling for a blood bath in front of people that stood to honor bloodshed. people that had just sung with coup criminals. people he promises he will pardon if they carry out another insurrection. and he's doing this in the fascist style of telling a big lie that confers martyrdom on criminals on a democracy they tried to overthrow. we should see trump for what

he is. an aspiring fascist who likes, wants, and needs violence. joining us now is the yale historian professor tim snider. thank you for being here in person. this is a remarkable conversation because people have spent the last couple of days saying he was just talking at the cars. i'm an economics reporter. we've not used that term blood bath about cars. but what you write about is it's the contest. it's not just whether he said the sentence about cars, it's everything else he said in the speech, starting with the salute of the hostages. >> yeah, when he refers to the cars, he's then clearly switching gears saying the cars will be the least of it. it will be a blood bath for the whole country. and the folks saying the context is the cars, what they're actually doing is ripping it out of context because the context is the whole fascist history of violence, of martydom cults,

trump's prior insurrection in 2021, and the physical context. that he just got people to sing along with the criminals of january 6th. >> you wrote those that had in mind trump and automotives. you lay out in the article the pattern of that speech. all of that was done before he brought up cars for one sentence, and then went back to violence. >> before i came down here, i was talking to my 11-year-old daughter, and she said, you know with dictators, dad, you just had to listen to what they said. >> she's learned well. >> with so much of this discussion, you just have to listen to what the man says. you can look for excuses in good faith or bad faith, you can not want to look at what he's actually saying. you can decide that you like the bloodshed, you're going to lie about it now. you can decide to look away. but the actual context are those human beings around him who have been asked to

identify, my singing and standing, with violent criminals that tried to overthrow our system. that's the context. >> there's something important here. you told us we got the term the big lie or we applied it to this from worked you done. donald trump is not acting like a normal politician who expects to win or is even trying to win. he doesn't need to win more votes. he just needs to be in the ball park because he's laid the the groundwork for you not believing that he would have lost the election. >> yeah, yeah. it's also important in this speech talking about context that at least nine times he himself invokes the big lie. >> correct. >> if doing that, he embraces the people around him in this alternative reality. there it's not the number of votes that will count. it's the feeling of having one that's going to count. that's why we have to understand his words as preparation for a november 24 insurrection. that's what he's after. >> let's think about the term we use these days is dog whistle.

the idea you say something people attune to it can hear. what's the historical precedent for this? donald trump says things, the rest of us can be hand wringing about whether he meant automotive blood bath or he didn't, but the point is it's landing with the people with whom he needs it to land. >> that's definitely one point. it's landing with the people around him. but i think we also have the problem that our immediate impulse is to say let's find on excuse for him. let's try to both sides this and suppress this. you can only beat this sort of thing if you recognize what it is. >> what, um, how do you think we should handle these sorts of things? because we typically don't carry a trump rally, but he has them all the time. as you note in your article, this is not new or weird. he just every time introduces something he hasn't said before. but the concept of immigrants as animals or subhuman vermin poisoning the blood of the nation, this is not brand new. what do you do, what do you do in the face of this? >> yeah, first of all cover

the rallies. i mean, 2016, his rallies predicted pretty well what kind of a president he was going to be. we have the same thing again, and we're not covering the rallies well enough. there are some reporters doing it, susan glazer just wrote a nice piece. >> she thinks people should go listen to them and watch the whole thing to understand what's going on. >> take it all in, take it literally. think about it. report on it rather than just doing the kind of distant analysis finding the excuses. listen to the man, because as you say, his strategy is just get close enough to make some kind of a play. and we have six or seven months to explain to americans that this is the blood bath candidate. that what he's trying to do is get close enough and threaten violence. there are a lot of folks out there that haven't thought about this, and when they hear what he's trying to do, it will matter to them. >> the problem is everyone has this impulse to say he's just saying that. in fact, he said to, it was on

fox news this weekend in which he talked about why he uses this inflammatory language. let's see if we can play this. >> here's my theory, that you use over the top, sometimes inflammatory language because that drives the media debate. did trump go too far? then you get the next several news cycles talking about you and your language. any thought i might be right on that? >> it also gets people thinking about very important issues that if you don't use certain rhetoric, if you don't use certain words that maybe are not very nice words, nothing will happen. >> he's laying out the excuse for people who don't want to believe him. he says it's just rhetoric, to get people to think about important things. calling immigrants subhuman and vermin and saying blood bath. >> he's saying if you don't use the nice words, things won't happen, and if you use the nasty words, things will

happen. and he's right. the fascist authoritarians didn't have to personally kill people. they used language. and that specific dehumanizing language of calling people beasts and saying my opponents can't be in power because they're the ones on the side of the beasts, that has a very specific history. so the words are the actions. the words matter in themselves. >> because the goal is to get people to take on these ideas and deal with them? >> the goal is to say the other people on that side, the ones that help the animals, they're not real americans. they can't possibly be in power. they can't possibly be legitimate. so combining that with the notion that elections are faked, that's meant to rally people so that they think that violence is acceptable. and we know this can work because his words caused violence on january 6th, 2021. and he knows it can work, and that's what he's going for. >> professor, good to see you in person. thank you for being with us. coming up, it's primary

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let me tell you a story that might seem complicated, but it's really quite straight forward. as always, all you have to do is follow the money. a little over a decade ago, donald trump, then just a private businessman, meets with the prime minister of serbia and tells him how much he would like to build a luxury hotel in the capital of belgrade. it doesn't happen. but a few years later, donald trump is the president of the united states, and he sends a special envoy to mediate serbia's peace process with neighboring kosovo. the guy trump sends, this guy, rick grenell doesn't have experience in the area, but he basically sides with the government of serbia on everything they want. while there, mr. grenell makes a lot of new friends.

he likes to go clubbing with the serbian minister of finance. looksfun. and he tells his new government friends they should consider the idea of an american real estate development in belgrade. meanwhile, jared kushner is spending time making fast friends with the autocratic de facto ruler of saudi arabia. when kushner leaves the white house, saudi arabia dumps $2 billion into kushner's brand new investment fund. and now, the new york times reports, that rick grenell, and his serbia friends, and jared kushner and his saudi billions are teaming up to recognize donald trump's dream of that luxury development in belgrade along with other big real estate projects in the balkans. according to a draft outline of the agreement, the government of serbia could turn over the land and the entire development to kushner free of charge. which i happen to think is a

very nice thing for a foreign government to do for the trump family. as donald trump locks up the presidential nomination while facing hundreds of millions of dollars in legal judgments again him. joining us now is the investigative reporter eric lipton who's been covering this. i tried not to have that drip with too much sarcasm, but it's kind of an amazing, amazing situation when you pull it all together and see who the characters are involved in this development. >> yeah, we were startled when we learned that this was a project that at first was proposed and considered by then trump businessman in 2013, and that in fact some representatives of the trump organization had traveled to serbia and looked at the site and met with the prime minister and reported back to trump. but then the project went nowhere because shortly after that trump was running for president and the international deal stopped.

but that was the thing that surprised us was that this project that started all the way back in 2013 at trump tower during a meeting with the prime minister of serbia. and the same prime minister was commenting on it today. he's now a member of parliament and now the foreign minister. but he was commenting on the same project today before the parliament and defending the proposal. >> now, i want to be clear in the reporting. both kushner and grenell say donald trump has nothing to do with this? >> that's right. trump, in fact financially is not involved in the project at all. and trump and grenell and kushner both assert, it's hard to accept, but both assert they were unaware that donald trump had considered this site. and i said to each of them in conversations, i said it's a bit hard to imagine that we're talking about not only the same country, the same city, but the exact same property that you now are proposing to

build a hotel. that's what, you know, trump had proposed back in 2013. but they assert they were unaware trump had considered this site for a hotel back in 2013 and 2014. >> this of course, these bid interests tied to the donald trump family are interesting in this moment in time because we just got news this week that donald trump has got until next week, but he's having trouble raising a bond for the fine he has to pay up. so we have a bit more of a picture of donald trump's financial situation in that he cannot, without liquidating something, come up with half a billion dollars. makes the idea of big developments around the world more compelling. >> yeah, i mean, again, this is not a trump project. this is a kushner project. and kushner has for the last three years been gradually building his investment fund investments, and this would be the largest group of investments he's done so far. there's two in albania and one

in serbia. the one in serbia is loan is estimated to be a $500 billion investment. the thing that struck us when we looked at them is the projects in both serbia and albania require actions by the governments there to grant them, you know, the right to use federal property. and in albania it's a former military site that would be turned into a luxury resort. in serbia it's the former headquarters of the yugoslavian military and has been largely vacant. so kushner would require an act of the government to get access to the sites. and, you know, they know that his father-in-law is running for president, and that just creates some questions about why these actions might be happening. >> now, it's not that serbia hasn't had anything to say about donald trump running for

president. in fact, in, it's been a pretty pro-trump government. >> yeah, they are supportive. rick grenell had a pretty positive relationship with the president, prime minister, and other ministers there. and they did try to bring some reconciliation in 2020 and had some success. but trump is pretty popular in serbia. much more popular in serbia than kosovo. they like him and have good working relations. i think they've expressed the fact they'd be fine with trump being the president again. so the challenge here is that, you know, jared asserts that he knows the spotlight is on him and that he must do

everything completely above board, and he's committed to doing that. but the challenge when trump first ran for president, when you have someone who is, you know, potentially in the white house and they're getting concessions of foreign governments, it can create an appearance of conflict of interest even if it isn't a real conflict. it can create an appearance of one. >> eric, thank you for your reporting on this. we appreciate it. the new york times investigative reporter eric lipton. all right, more ahead this evening, including the latest in key primary races tonight like ohio's gop senate race where all eyes are on the new trump-endorsed republican nominee. but first, a supreme court ruling in a case out of texas hints at a potential about face by the court on the well established precedent that the federal government and not the states, not any state, has the sole authority to regulate immigration. we'll have more on that right after the break.

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>> the court struck down some key portions of that controversial law in arizona meant to crack down on illegal immigration. the court said today in effect the federal government gets to deal with immigration, not the states. in 2012, the supreme court struck down parts of arizona's immigration bill known then as the show me your papers law. that legislation targeted undocumented migrants by making it a crime to not carry

federal registration papers in the state. but the justices made it clear in the ruling that it wasn't up to arizona to decide saying quote, the government of the united states has broad undoubted power over the subject of immigration and the status of aliens. the federal power to determine immigration policy is well settled, end quote. it appears now that the supreme court may have changed its mind. today the court decided to allow texas, for now, to enforce a new law that gives police the power to address migrants suspected of illegally crossing the state's border with mexico. the justices rejected an emergency request from the biden administration to block the law, and the administration's argument that texas' law violates the federal government's sole authority to legislate on immigration. this legal battle over texas' law is not over. a federal appeals court will hear oral arguments in this case tomorrow. that's a new development this evening. so this law could still be

blocked at a later date. but for now the supreme court is contradicting its own precedent and giving texas the authority to set its own immigration policy. joining me now is joyce vance, our msnbc legal analyst and professor at the university of alabama school of law in real life. joyce, so great to see you. it's rare we get to do this. this is a remarkably important story. it's actually not so much to do with immigration policy, and you can dislike the federal government's take on immigration policy. but the concept that immigration is a thing for governments to do with other governments, not for states to be involved in, is an important precedent. >> it is. and the supreme court in the 2012 arizona case that you referenced made that very clear. they said there's a supremacy clause. the federal government has the sole authority to legislate, to impose policy on immigration, and it's easy to understand why. what if mexico had to deal with 50 different state

policies instead of one national policy. also this texas law would impose a big burden on state law enforcement officers and on federal law enforcement officers by disrupting the normal path for immigration enforcement. >> so one has to separate, in their mind, the idea that, like they did in arizona and texas, may disagree with federal immigration policies. but why would the supreme court entertain this idea, because this could become a slippery slope. if you start letting states decide immigration policy, they'll all start deciding immigration policy. >> yeah, this one is a tough one to understand. the best explanation i can give you is that this was not the supreme court's decision on the merits of the case. this is an early stage, the issues are still being litigated in the lower courts. the only issue right now is whether this law can stay in effect while the courts are litigating the merits of the law itself. and it's a little bit unusual. the fifth circuit put an administrative stay in.

that's supposed to just be a temporary device that lets the courts decide how things will proceed while the case is taking place. but the 5th circuit took a long time here. we saw that in today's opinion where justice barrett joined by brett kavanaugh suggested if the 5th circuit didn't act quickly, the united states could come back to the court again. the response is that the 5th circuit will hold on argument tomorrow morning. but again, only on the issue of whether the law can remain in effect while the underlying litigation proceeds. >> and the supreme court seemed to imply that they would like the reasoning from the 5th circuit. in other words, there's an opening for the idea that tell me why you think this law should be, that texas should be able to decide immigration issues. that said, there's a fairly good amount of established law that doesn't support texas' decision. >> this is not a close call. there is no law that supports

texas' position. the the texas attorney general ken paxton said, well, we're being invaded by immigrants in texas. so under the constitution that permits a state to respond to an invasion, we are able to do this. in oral argument before the court in the papers that the solicitor general's office fired, the solicitor general said texas is not under attack. this is not an invasion by an army. this is not imminent danger for texas, so they can't use that to justify this law. she's correct. there's no authority for texas' position. >> so the way it goes is the 5th circuit has oral arguments tomorrow. they will come to some decision. and then it probably ends up at the supreme court again? >> probably either way. but remember, this is still just on the issue of whether the law can remain in effect --

>> not only actual -- >> yes. let's talk about donald trump's immunity issue we're all waiting for. his legal team filed a brief detailing their legal arguments they're going to make before the supreme court next month. it says a denial of criminal immunity would incapacity every future president with de facto blackmail and extortion while in office. the threat of future prosecution and imprisonment would become a political kudgel to influence the most sensitive and controversial presidential decisions. the lower court already heard that argument. this is just a rephrasing of what they heard. what do you think of this? >> same argument, it's funny how in the nation's history this has never been a problem for any president except donald trump. so his argument applies, but it only applies to a president who wants to commit criminal acts. >> right.

right. and he's made that point. the other thing that his team says in here is trauma at the hands of political opponents. donald trump likes to play this distraction game. that this isn't about an alleged crime that i committed, this is something driven by my political opponents. that also didn't hold water with the court. >> it didn't. donald trump argues that he's the victim, but he persists in saying joe biden is directing this prosecution for political purposes. it's very clear that what the biden administration has done is to reinstate the separation between the justice department and the white house on prosecution of criminal cases. something that donald trump eroded with his very, you know, public suggestions that his attorney general should, for instance, dismiss charges or reduce sentences. that's not what's going on here. trump, what he's in essence doing, is talking about how he would run the justice department and not about how joe biden is. >> the justice department, his

justice department, his attorney general. you thank you for being her, joyce. coming up, control of the senate this year may welcome down to ohio. we're going to get the latest on the trump-backed nominee. that's next. ♪(relaxing music)♪ (♪♪) (♪♪) (♪♪) (♪♪) (♪♪) (♪♪)

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>> you voted for biden, you voted for brown? >> yes, did i. >> are you looking forward to the general election? are you concerned that ohio might lose its senate seat? >> i am. um, i, i think i am similar to a lot of people in that i'm not really looking forward to the next election. it's just a little uneasy. about two hours ago polls closed in ohio where voters have decided which republican candidate will square off with democratic sharon brown. while the three-term senator remains popular, the race for his seat is shaping up to be one of the toughest in the country. senator brown is one of just two democrats running for re-election in states that trump won in 2020, and their ability to hold on to their seats could determine whether democrats hold on to their already thin senate majority. in the republican race to challenge brown, nbc news has

already projected a winner. of the three republicans that ran, nbc news can project that former car salesman bernie moreno wins. he's the candidate who received trump's endorsement. in fact, moreno is the guy trump was campaigning for this weekend when he predicted a blood bath if he loses in november. moreno, a business man who's never held a public office, has closely alined himself with trump on everything from immigration to a national ban on abortion. joining me now is the democratic congresswoman chantel brown from ohio. thanks for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> anything about tonight's results that surprise you? >> actually no. what we know in ohio is that the three republican candidates were just fighting each other and not fighting for ohio, and they were using their personal wealth, billionaire from outside the state's investment to pour

into their campaign to attempt to buy this senate seat. and what we know in ohio is senator brown has done the people's work, continuing to put people over politics, delivering real results and not rhetoric. this is no surprise to us, and i expect this will continue. they certainly left a lot of, um, baggage for any of the candidates entering this race to compete with senator brown. this did not come as a surprise to me at all. >> give me a sense of why, sherrod brown is one of those guys that gets a lot of bipartisan support. he wins elections in places where the trend doesn't necessarily suggest he might. why is this as competitive as it is right now? >> well, ohio is more red. looking back at issue, the reproductive issue that was on the ballot to enshrine and

protect women's rights to make their own health care decisions, you could see overwhelmingly that we are a state that actually is more balanced than it is perceived. 51% of men in the state of ohio were supportive of the reproductive justice issue. and when it comes to senator sherrod brown, he knows how to deliver the message because he connects with people from all walks of life and on every level. he's a man that has supported veterans issues, leading the veterans pact act initiative across the finish line on the senate side. he's a strong advocate and supporter of labor rights. so those are the things that makes him very much appealing to a broad constituency, that which is consistent in ohio. >> and that context that you just provided about ohio and how it votes is important because you talk about issue one. the reproductive rights

referendum. 57% of ohio voters in november voted to enshrine abortion rights in the state. but the support, the exit polls indicate that republican voters think the state isn't conservative enough. all three of these candidates supported abortion bans. the math doesn't seem to be mating on that. >> right. well, i think the people of ohio spoke loud and clear in august and november when they supported women's right to make their own health care decisions. and while the polls might say one thing, we know that polls don't vote. when it comes to elections, we have to look at the numbers. and we'll take a deep dive on the numbers of the outcome in this primary election to see where we can gain and garner support as it relates to expanding the coalition for senator brown's base. but he's already had some magical math himself in being able to successfully win in ohio. i expect him to continue to be

able to do that. so despite the polling, we are confident that with hard work, and clearly the republicans see senator brown as a real threat, but we are going to continue to fight and make sure that the voters are aware of how important it is to protect the slim senate majority as you led the segment with. >> i'd agree with you that polls are not the thing to go on, particularly on primary nights. they're exit polls, so it's a subset of a subset. but they're a little shocking, some of the responses. shocking, some of the responses. amongst republican voters, the exitse polling agrees that 44% say immigration is the most

important issue. economy is second in abortionist third but they asked the question about whether biden legitimately won the election in 2020 and 63% of primary voters said he didn't so i guess the reason i'm asking you this question is when you are trying to win an election in ohio in november, are you trying to deal with republicans or are you just tryingt to deal with getting democrats out because these are very comp located questions to have if people in 2024 don't believe joe biden won the election. i don't know what the discussion looks like. >> you are absolutely right. what i would say to that is we have to talk to everyone. we can't leave any of the voters on the table. we have to really be intentional about making sure we deliver. and talk to our base. we cannot neglect them or take them for granted. issues on the minds of voters in the 11th congressional district specifically are the economy. they are concerned about issues around immigration as well as women's reproductive health,

and so those are the things we have to talk about and those are winning issues for democrats. when you think about the things we were able to successfully deliver when democrats had the majority, those are things we need to continue to build on, and the implementation of legislation such as the inflation reduction act which is really n pe iuchi ting su t focused on prescription drug costs, making sure we kept prices for seniors at $2000 per year starting in 2025, capping the price of insulin at $35 a month. right now those are real issues putting money back into people's wallets, and those are the things thatg ce p m democra with knows republican support. when we talk about the abortion ban, all three candidates, bernie moreno included, support and abortion down so we have to get to the heart of the issues. right now i think it is important that people talk about the issues k and not partisan politics. this is a time when we are really going to have to elevate the conversation beyond voting by party lines, and really get more sophisticated as it relates to talking about things important to the voter and lywh i know about senator sherrod

brown is that he has the skills and the experience to be able to do that and so do my colleagues congressman beatty, amelia sykes, marcie kept her and greg landsman. we are going to be working collectively and collaboratively to deliver the vote in ohio to ensure that the people of ohio know who has been working for them, and to continues to put people over politics. >> congresswoman shontel brown, great to talk to you tonight. n eattr ln oornt thanks for being with us. one more story coming up tonight, what senator chuck schumer's rebuke of israel's handling of the warh hu in gaza could mean for israeli-american relations. that is coming up. israeli-ame relations. that is coming up. ♪♪ [cat meow] —is she? letting her imagination run wild even though she has allergies. yeah.

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the southernmost tip of the gaza strip is now one of the most densely packed places on earth with more people per square mile the new york city and for the nearly 1.5 million civilians trying to survive there is nowhere left to run. when the war started, israel ordered the civilian population to evacuate the northern half of gaza, saying the south would be safe then they attacked the south and told civilians to move farther and farther south until eventually they ended up packed into rafah like sardines without adequate food, water and housing. for all those advances, israel had u.s. support. now, as the israeli military appears ready to move into

rafah, that is not the case. today, the highest ranking jewish. in an american government, u.s. senator chuck schumer, today he told the new york times that in writing his speech about israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu last week he went as far -- he contemplated going as far as calling on israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu to step down altogether. for the past decades he has been one of netanyahu and israel staunchest allies. he has defended settlements in the west bank and called for israel to strangle gaza economically. he cosponsored a bill that would've made it a federal crime to boycott israel and when he came to the united states in 2015 to deliver a crate -- speech criticizing obama, a speech dozens of democrats refuse to attend, schumer showed up and applauded for netanyahu. it cannot be overstated how big a deal it is for chuck schumer

that benjamin netanyahu has now gone too far. ultimately, last week, schumer did not go as far as to call for netanyahu to step down. instead he called for israel to hold new elections and explained why he thinks the israeli people should vote netanyahu out. yesterday, president biden called prime minister netanyahu to warn him against invading rafah but today, netanyahu announced that he plans to invade anyway. he does not think biden or schumer should be telling israel what to do. for decades, the u.s. policy of unconditionally backing israel has been pretty much set in stone, but if netanyahu can lose chuck schumer, i don't know if that is the case anymore and if netanyahu really does decide to pull the trigger on a ground invasion that would undoubtedly kill countless defenseless civilians in rafah we might just be seeing the start of a new era of israeli- american relations. that is our show tonight. it is time now for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. i think you have a big guest lined up. >> we do. we have the winner of