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this week it was extreme magma makeover currency addition after a locking in the republican presidental nomination donald trump has set his sights on remaking the republican national committee in his own image. on monday the disgraced ex- president tightened his grip on the party even further using his newly installed rnc leadership team which includes his daughter-in-law to push out dozens of officials at the committee. in total, when and 60 rnc employees got the pink slip

-- instead it is merely an extension of the ex-president's personal operation focused on avenging his grievances. while trump enjoys that almost unprecedented level of control over the national republican apparatus, as max burns warns in a new piece for the hill, quote, republicans willingness to bow to trump on it nearly every issue is making their party staggeringly unpopular with voters. case in point the retirement of colorado republican congressman can that which is done capitol hill and tuesday because buck, who had indicated he would not seek reelection, in the full shocked his colleagues by not saying he would leave his post

next week. in an interview after his announcement buck took aim directly at the ex-president remarking, quote, everywhere i go in colorado i hear that people are not happy with trump. now, remember this isn't some middle-of-the-road republican. buck is a member of the ultraconservative extreme right house freedom caucus. proving that this isn't nearly a matter of ideological differences within the parties. actually a question over allegiance or fealty and what it means to be a republican in donald trump's gop. the disgraced ex-president has become the sole decider of who does and who doesn't think inside his party's ever shrinking tent. let's bring in my canna for the hour. rick wilson cofounded of the lincoln project and author of running against the deadly plot to save america from trump and democrats from themselves. also with us hayes brown writer and editor for msnbc daily. rick, trump allies told politico the artsy oak hall is aimed at

cutting bureaucracy, at the committee level. i've got to say this doesn't seem like the ex-president is in this for promoting democracy or trying to rebuild a healthy republican party. it is just the ex-president exercises complete control over the apparatus of the republican organization to exploit it for his own purposes. >> absolutely. what they have done is basically like a mafia bustout. they take over a business. they run up its bills to they can never repay. when they are done they burn the place down for the insurance money. what you have seen at the rnc they fired the research staff, the communication staff, the political staff, the outreach staff recommended all the early voting programs, bank and go programs, vote by mail. what is left is to sleuth money into the trump crime family what's left is just the bare bones to keep doing the fundraising, put it under the rnc's hat and ship it off to

trump. this is now not a political party. it is a shell corporation set up to find donald trump's legal defenses, and it is burning down 30 years -- with you agree with republican party or not, for 30 years, they have mechanically, operationally built a machine that wins a lot of elections. now trump has burned into the ground for money. >> i would like to say even if somebody who is not a republican doesn't care for the republican party you need a healthy party apparatus to have a functioning democracy in america. you are left with one real party, and as you said, a shell corporation. the other part of this i wanted to talk about is how much of this moment of this exercise is a glimpse into the future of donald trump winning foreshadowing what donald trump would do to the american government is, in fact, he, his cronies, his kids, his children, everyone are in power once again. >> the mystery of jared and of

anke working in government having the network increased by hundreds of millions of dollars, the mystery of jared kushner getting a $2 billion venture capital deal the second he was out the door, from the white house, trump is --'s willingness attorney to into a pay for play protection racket. the graft and autocracy and basically converting the u.s. government into a giant scam for trump, is a preview of what we will see day one. it should not surprise anyone. this has always been a guy who if he found a doll on the floor of a bathroom and was told to pick it up with his mouth, he would do it. he wants money more than anything else. >> the rnc is fully embracing trump's election lies. they establish the so-called election integrity unit led by none other than election denier christina christina bah who wrote a book pushing the big

lie . how dangerous is it to have a figure like that on the committee's payroll? >> i mean, first of all, i'm so old that i remember the 2012 autopsy in the rnc when after losing -- mitt romney lost the election to barack obama, the rnc sat down and said, how do we ask and? had we get more people to vote for us? i have watched as every recommendation and that autopsy has been put to the side in favor of just making sure donald trump is happy. and making sure he is able to endorse candidates even if his endorsement doesn't mean that much. in case he is on your side. the fact that the rnc is putting in someone like christina bob into this position , it is really just stressing how much they've decided to go to leave the actual job of connecting with voters to democrats. the fact that they don't really

see much of a purpose in trying to convince people to vote for them at this point. basically their entire argument boils down to he is not a democrat. he is trump. that's it. as long as someone is not a democrat and supports trump, that is the basis for getting support of the rnc at this point. so, putting christina bobb in this position is short, really just tanks any outreach efforts . any sort of real election integrity that they might be wanting to do. making sure people can get to the ballot, cast their vote. that simply will not happen. >> to quote one of my favorite shows, succession, these are not serious people that are being put in these positions. rick, wanted to play for you the sound from trump today at a rally. we try to avoid playing any trump sound but this was particularly vile. he was really about the economic impact of president

biden's policies on the automotive industry. that he made this very bizarre remark. have a listen. >> now, if i don't get elected, it is going to be a bloodbath for the whole attachment that's going to be the least of it. it's going to be a bloodbath for the country. that will be the least of it. >> the trump campaign has and said his remarks were referring to biden's policies writing imported cars. but, you know, i'm not sure i believe that. nonetheless, we will take them at their word for it. what you make of that type of rhetoric where he is using the kind of language in this election season already? >> let's not forget this is a man who sent a violent mob to hang his vice president. >> right. >> this is a man who has embraced a number of the violent groups that support him. proud boys, three percenters, all those folks. the old joke of taking trump seriously but not literally.

that's a mistake. you must take trump literally. that's the one campaign promise i think you can guarantee trump will keep. there will be bloodshed if he doesn't get his way. it is something americans really reckon with and understand sooner than later that when trump is making these threats there are millions and millions of his supporters who don't look at the rhetorical flourish or some sort of funny little remark in a speech. they look it as marching orders. i think a trillion, and upon everyone in the country including a lot of republican elected officials who will not but should -- this kind of rhetoric. >> i'm the kind of guy who believed donald trump who says he will be a dictator from day one. on lease the mattila terry -- military. even including this. we have also heard this in this rally, hayes. trump ratcheting up his anti- immigrant rhetoric on the topic of immigrants were accused of committing crimes . he's a, quote, i don't know if you call them people. in some cases they were not people.

in my opinion. he's not just referring to those that are committing crimes . he's trying to use that to paint an entire group of people the way he did when he came down that escalator announcing his run for the first time when he called mexicans killers and rapists. >> absolutely. there has been no sort of consequences for donald trump using this kind of rhetoric. not that we have seen for him personally a little early. yes, he did lose in 2020. the fact that he has slept through these primaries, even with the amount of opposition we have seen from people, republican primary voters, continually voting for haley or trying to get someone else in the mix. trump is continuing to double down on this frederick. having had no real pushback from anyone in any sort of position to check m. he didn't have any pushback from the rnc. they continue to fund his campaign

in 2016, in 2020. now had no pushback from his fellow elected officials. or at least very little pushback from them. those who remain in office at least you mentioned ken puckett earlier stepping down. part of the transformation we are seeing in the republican party is the one like buck who are unable to take -- what i'm worried about is who is going to step up to replace them. who is going to be in the halls of congress and how -- what are they going to be willing to let trump get away with. >> right. please take a round after the break. how team trump is not objecting the campaign from the courtroom. first, my friend richard luisi with a breaking news update. breaking news from new jersey. police saying triple murder suspect is in custody after a multistate hours long manhunt. this started near philadelphia. police saying the suspect shot and killed his stepmother and

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if there's one thing donald trump does know how to do it is how to selling lemon. it is no shock that the self- proclaimed law and order candidate reportedly claims to guess what the american people from the courtroom. nbc news now reports trump advisors plan to counter his heavy trial scheduled by trying to portray president biden is an attempt to, quote, imprison his political opponents. a rather hypocritical approach by the very man who may lock

her up. a mantra of his 2016 campaign. trumps team plans to muddy the waters between trump and biden legal problems creating counterprogramming events focused on policy and push to delay the trials as long as possible. the question is, will it work? even those hearing out the plan aren't really sure. the top trump advisors and, quote, indictments are not ideal. we would rather the boss not be in court but they will be an attempt to make lemonade at of lemons. rick and hayes are back. rick, do you see the strategy pinning out? is turning lemons into lemonade like trumps team arguing is hear? is it likely to work or it really doesn't matter for his voters? they like a criminal and he is leading into it. >> they do like a criminal. they do enjoyed the image of trump as some sort of martyr. for the rest of the american voters and by the way everyone who is influenced by that decision by the campaign to do this is already a trump voter. anyone who believes in trump is

some sort of martyr they have to be in various biden campaign or administration is already trump voter. for the rest of the american voters, there is no amount of mayonnaise in the universe during this chicken you know what any chicken salad this is a desperate strategy by desperate people. at the end of the day, i don't think it is going to convince a single swing voter in this country or move a single democrat over to trump in this country. especially because what they seem to be forgetting is that we will be hearing the evidence of trumps ongoing pattern of criminality every single day. it won't just be the, they are mean to me what about hunter's laptop. it will be talk about donald trump illegally stealing classified documents. it will talk about donald trump engaging it about four. they will talk about him engaging in malfeasance at all different levels. it plays to their base but their basis in trump's pocket. >> to that point, hayes, republicans are doing their part.

you have trumps team saying part of the campaign strategies should can attack about the ex- president being a threat to democracy, which is what donald trump actually is to our country? you've got a trump advisor telling nbc hard to say we are a threat to democracy when you are trying to imprison your political opponents. the question becomes, does it work to bring joe biden into the mud with donald trump because that is what republicans are trying to do with the scam impeachment hearings on the hill. with all the other stuff they're trying to do against joe biden and hunter biden. they are trying to make the bidens look like trump. is that an effective strategy for this election for donald trump and his team? >> i don't believe so. i don't think there's enough 15 to make this work. the second you are willing to go beyond the, oh, well, joe biden has legal problems. the second you go beyond the top level you realize there is nothing there.

trump and his circuits will keep repeating it and repeating it and repeating it. so that he gets lost in people's heads. for a good, unfortunately, large member of voters, that will work. like rick said those people are probably already going to vote for trump anyway. in terms of trying to actually get independence back on board, i really don't see that being the case. it is going to be put in trump when he is not on trial during the week doing what policy focused events on the weekends. that's a great idea, but when has donald trump ever been able to sit through anything remotely serious without delving into the sort of issues that turn off most voters? >> messaging discipline is not something donald trump is known for. please take a minute. senator schumer's rebuke of eating benjamin netanyahu's leadership calling for change. thousands of lives. we will talk about that and more. more. .

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2015, israel's prime minister the time who actually happens to be the same one now, benjamin netanyahu, visited the united states and gave an address to a joint session of congress. the purpose of that speech was to undermine what would become a cornerstone policy of then president obama who, at the time, was forging ahead with an iran nuclear deal. benjamin netanyahu came to the u.s. congress, told the american people and representatives, your president is wrong. his policy is wrong, and i'm here to tell you i am right. as far as political posturing goes the speech was perceived as an insult to the obama administration. of course, by extension, his sitting vice president joe biden. sitting in the chamber in the front room was senator chuck schumer who ended up voting against the deal. basically siding with benjamin netanyahu over his own party's leaders and the obama, biden administration. you think that would have stayed

with now president joe biden. that he might've learned something about the willingness to turn on a u.s. president so publicly. surprisingly, this wasn't even the only time. in fact, then vice president joe biden appeared to be personally humiliated when upon arriving to israel in 2010, the israeli government at the time, believe it or not, also led by netanyahu announce the construction of 1600 new jewish settlement in occupied east jerusalem. fast four to march, 2015, a day before israel's general election, netanyahu made a blatant appeal to right-wing voters and said he would never establish a main state if reelected. yet again, openly defined and undercutting the obama biden administration. fast-forward a few years after a sweeping victory in the november 2022 elections, netanyahu who is facing serious allegations of corruption returned to power and plunged israel into an

existential democratic crisis. in early 2023, he wants never to overhaul the judiciary. including weakening the supreme court of israel and allowing the government to overturn decisions it did not like. the proposed reforms were reviewed as authoritarian and sparked the biggest political crisis in israel's history. in fact, hundreds of thousands of israelis protested netanyahu 's anti-democratic agenda calling for him to step down. world leaders did also including joe biden himself. he warned benjamin netanyahu against moving forward with the plan. guess what? netanyahu defied a joe biden and america and did it anyway. he did it with the backing of none other than senator chuck schumer, who visited israel in 2023 and promised that now you he will continue to have a, quote, full support of the u.s. senate. you can imagine the shock waves that must have ripped through the israeli prime minister's office on thursday when chuck schumer went on the senate

floor and said this. >> prime minister netanyahu has lost his way by allowing his political survival to take precedence over the best interests of israel. nobody expects prime minister netanyahu to do the things that must be done, to break the cycle of violence, to preserve israel's credibility on the world's stage. and to work towards a two state solution. i believe that holding a new election, once the war starts to wind down, we give israelis an opportunity to express their vision for the postwar future. >> the truth is we should have never gotten to this point. schumer's comments should have been the message on day one of the war. and stata comes more than 30,000 palestinian and 1100 israeli lives too late. netanyahu 's handling of the october 7 terrorist attacks and

the subsequent war has been putting it lightly, extraordinarily questionable. despite his government's intelligence failures in botched response in october 7, despite his conduct of the war and plausible genocide. despite his government blocking aid from entering the gaza strip. a move experts say constitutes a war crime. despite his plans to invade -- in defiance of joe biden and knowing the humanitarian catastrophe with the release despite all of this the biden administration has stood by benjamin netanyahu, embraced him publicly, and refused to call for a permanent cease-fire. all the while weapons from the u.s. continue to flow into israel, and the u.s. has continued to protect israel diplomatically at united nations. it's important to note that schumer's call for new elections in israel is not official u.s. policy. if you are thinking that demand is being upheld by the democratic party or even joe biden himself, it is not. that demand is coming from one u.s. senator, an important

senator but it is still just from one senator in the democratic party. look, the bottom line is that netanyahu has been playing joe biden and democratic presidents and leaders for a very long time. the fact that he has been in a place to carry out the atrocities and plausible genocide against the people of gaza and in israel's name, with the full unconditional backing of this administration on the world stage, is a failure that falls squarely on the shoulders of joe biden. it's a good and important first step the chuck schumer has finally broken with and yahoo -- netanyahu . it is on president biden to step up and stand up to benjamin netanyahu once and for all. otherwise he risks being humiliated by the israeli leader even more. this time it may cause joe biden his own reelection against donald trump and with it american democracy as well. we will be right back. back. ar]

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let's continue the conversation. looking at chuck schumer's call for a new reelection and why it is taken so long for this message to come from the top ranking u.s. senator. joining me is peter barnhart author of fine art. it's great to see you again. i will start broadly speaking. getting your response to senator schumer's speech and his critique of netanyahu . what you think are the forces that brought schumer who quite

frankly has a long and very cozy relationship as i outlined with netanyahu to this point of departure or breaking point. >> it is because the forces have shifted inside the democratic party because of grassroot changes that are happening to many young people. as you said chuck schumer is not an elected end of the spectrum. for israel in particular. this is a guy who opposed barack obama's run -- you wonderfully deal. in this speech he is now essentially talking about the possibility conditioning military aid to israel. that shows how dramatic the shift inside the democratic party is in just in the last six months up until six months ago it was only one senator bernie sanders who is even considering this on the far left of the senate democratic party. now, chuck schumer, the leader, who is in the center with the center right of his own caucus is taking this position. it shows really how much public opinion is now starting to move

democrats in congress. >> in some ways you can make the argument that chuck schumer realized that benjamin netanyahu is not worth the risk of, a, losing power for him but more importantly potentially for the president to lose power and as a result of that lose american democracy of donald wins the election. do you think joe biden is making that same political calculation that you just outlined? that chuck schumer was out to get to faster or the forces are different for the president and what he has to take into consideration? >> i hope so. i think joe biden learned the wrong lesson from barack obama. lesson he learned from barack obama after obama had a conflict with netanyahu earlier in his presidency -- presidency over his settlement was don't pick a fight with the israeli leader because you can't win. the problem is that things have shifted inside democratic party's. this is so big that the

slaughter in gaza is so massive that you can't just sweep it under the rug or hope that benjamin netanyahu of his own accord is going to end this war. benjamin netanyahu has a political incentive to continue the war. his prosecution of the war israeli producing massive, massive outrage inside the democratic party. i hope that joe biden realizes that he can't continue to wait or ask politely for benjamin netanyahu to do these things. he has to pursue a different strategy. i think schumer is suggesting what the strategy might look like. >> you have schumer who is the top ranked jewish official in the united states, a powerful politician within the democratic party thing then then -- netanyahu is an obstacle. at the same time these critiques of netanyahu are coming five, six month into a war that is killed over 30,000 people in gaza. >> this is coming way too late

for all of the people in gaza who have been killed, who have been forced out of their homes. there were people, you know, on the left end of the democratic party who is saying this right from the beginning that this war was going to be catastrophic for the people of gaza and would not ultimately make this world safer. you don't make israel safer by killing vast numbers of people who were then going to want revenge against you after seeing their family members killed or starved to death. a lot of people said that at the beginning. they weren't taken seriously. schumer is coming to this position now but the speech reflect the fact that he has trying to answer the people he never answered before. one of the fastening parts of his speeches he has four or five paragraphs telling young people who he acknowledges idealistically one equal state. he says, this is the wrong way to go. a few years ago, even a year ago, democratic senate election

would never have answered that because it was considered too radical. it suggests how the conversation has moved. >> in the conversation moving how much do tribute that's what we saw play out in places like michigan with the uncommitted vote? in places where it is not just a street protest, not just the disk was happening. whether it's on social media with various political circles. it is a result of a political -- reducing uncommitted voters in states like michigan, washington, minnesota and elsewhere. >> the fact that joe biden a democratic president can't go speak in a college campus or to a black church without the possibility of being disrupted. that is a big problem. this is your base. this movement for palestinian liberation is becoming a successor to the movement against the vietnam war, the movement against apartheid of south africa. people want to sometimes pigeonhole it as arabs or muslims but it is much bigger.

it is people from all backgrounds including many, many jewish people. especially young people coming together around a set of principles that they don't want the u.s. government to be doing this to people. that is going to transform the democratic party i think a generation to come. >> do you think that this speech from chuck schumer could have happened without the white house winking and nodding it does put the president in a rather precarious position, right? is no doubt that this now shifts it from the senate and perhaps congress to reaction from joe biden to follow suit. do you think this could've happened without joe biden wiki and adding two chuck schumer to go ahead and signal that it's time for netanyahu to go? >> i doubt it. i think that this gives biden the opportunity and political cover to move towards this position himself. the problem is that the irony about israel's government is that it is super unpopular.

because it is unpopular, the different coalition forces don't want to go to elections because they know they will get creamed in the elections. that's the problem. america has a lot of leverage. often american presidents and joe biden in particular doesn't like to talk about that. it's true. we have tremendous leverage giving israel many of these weapons. we are providing israel diplomatic cover so they are not held accountable and international institution. the more america is willing to use that leverage, the more i think it changes israeli politics. >> what do we expect to see from others going forward? either within the democratic party, other u.s. officials, maybe from the white house or state department in the coming days, in the coming weeks as this call gets louder and louder? >> i think where we are going is towards a growing democratic consensus around the idea of some form of conditioning

military aid to israel. this is really historic. no president has been willing to do that since george h. w. bush. in the early 1990s. it has been 30 years. the amount of slaughter, the horror that israel has created in gaza after the massacre on october 7 is pushing the democrats in that position. i think biden and the administration is moving slowly toward deposition. i'm quite confident that the next democratic president, the next generation of democratic leaders will be firmly in that position that we are not going back. >> peter beinart, always a pleasure. good to talk to you. >> thank you. tomorrow on meet the press and exclusive interview with nathan wade following his resignation from the case in fulton county. moderator kristen welker will speak exclusively with celebrity chef josi andres of world essential kitchen to discuss the first maritime shipment of humanitarian aid that has been delivered to gaza

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it is time for worst of the week. the political outliers edition with 2024 independent candidate robert f kennedy jr. yes, he is still running. the longshot candidate confirmed he will announce his running mate on march 26. earlier this week he previewed his short list including, wait for it, nfl quarterback aaron rodgers who he referred to as a, quote, battle tested. you probably know rogers and not just because of his failed season with the new york jets. he is also the unofficial captain of the do your own research club with a history of spreading anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and attacking the budget woke establishment. according to new reporting from media, kennedy is planning to

tap nicole shanahan a california-based attorney and entrepreneur following concerned donors for aaron rodgers. no labels third-party movie cannot seem to get itself off the ground. they lost their cochairman from north carolina governor gop governor pat mccrory. the group keep stilling the rollout of the presidential candidate despite saying earlier this month they were going to move forward, quote, sometime after super tuesday. despite the fact they have said they could unveil their candidate next week, the potential top choice joe manchin and format maryland republican governor larry hogan have passed on that role. as well as nikki haley who make clear before and after she dropped out of the presidential race she would not join a no labels bid. we are back to decide this week's renner judgment winter. are you going with rfk jr. or no label? >> no labels is a longtime fan favorite. chaos and destruction.

essentially what no labels is going to do is flip the race and give it to donald trump. the objective is to reelect donald trump no matter what they say in public. they are funded by republicans and staffed by republicans. they are definitely going to move forward with someone. even though men have never met any of them. they claim will require for them to actually run a campaign. there were not enough ballots to get to 70. they don't have a popular nominee. they have not picked anybody who is going to unify the country. everything they have done has been built on a lie. they are my loser of the week. >> hayes, who is your pet between rfk jr. and no labels? to some extent, are today, even though not the same, don't they end up producing the same results? >> i mean, in theory, but i will go with the same answer as rick. no labels. same answer different reasons.

they are the worst of the week not because they are successfully to runoff candidates to make donald trump win, i am giving it to them because there is no evidence they will actually have a candidate. for all of their declaration that they are going to will let a candidate, the best they have got as they say they're going to have a committee look for a candidate and make a recommendation to another no labels committee to approve them with any 48 hours notice. it is stalling. they are just not going to have any impact this year. i'm going to give worst of the week -- rfk might have an impact on this race. i do not believe no labels will. >> let's go on to round two. another pair of political outliers who can't seem to take a hint. we got indicted new jersey democratic senator bob menendez who is considering running for reelection as an independent. he is up against worst of the week favorite john -- george santos 25 us again in a

different district. his running against a republican who voted to expel him. that's a tough one. who is winning this one? >> in my mind it has got to be menendez. this guy is a poster child for corruption. he has lavishly and obviously been exploiting his office for gold bars and cars and whatever else that keeps turning up. he has really got to go. george santos is a clownish figure. he has a chance of beating nick load up in new york one because they love him no matter what. i think menendez is a much darker and more sinister and truly corrupt individual at a scale that the senate absolutely should purge out of its ranks. >> hayes, is a playbook that seems menendez might be following and it seems he can on the fun race if you can it on the ballot which could help

pay his legal bills. it has helped donald trump with his legal troubles. is that going to work for menendez? >> it very well might. he has a crater in terms of popularity in new jersey. i am going to give my worst of the week to george santos. don't get me wrong, both of them, the audacity is incredible. for george santos to still be trying to make a comeback, the fact that we are even talking about him right now really speaks to, i think, his overall vision of what it is to be successful. he is moving forward with that in a way that, yes, it's clownish. yes, he does have a chance to win. the fact that he -- i feel like it's more of an indictment on us , more broadly, to say that, yes -- >> hold on. when you say on us, who exactly is the "us?" >> i'm included in the us. i'm

entertained and confused by this man. i don't want him to succeed but it's nice to see him fail that sort of thing. i feel bad about that. i'm going to give that to him. >> it is looking very much like john avila was one of the best democratic not candidates will be very competitive. if it's george santos i think it will be an absolute wipeout. nicola loader will be a fight because he has some money that he won't be spending on facial treatments for his bags. i think avalon has a good chance . the fact that santos is doing it shows you the chaos that he brings into every one of these races. >> let me ask about rfk. it seems as he becomes more fringe it seems like he's not going to go with aaron rodgers. as he goes down this crazy hole of conspiracy theorists like

eryn rogers and others, does that actually work to joe biden's favor that he would siphon off some of the even more crazy moonies of the trump campaign who see somebody like rfk really as no longer part of the establishment in the way that donald trump has become. what do you think? >> i think that rfk poses a risk to trump because of the anti-vax stuff. think about what he represents. he is anti-vax, a crypto pro-. he is part of this conspiracy world. i think there's a definite area in which rfk jr. draws out of the trump pool of voters. he also normalizes insanity into our political mainstream even more than trump has on some level. there is still a weird political dispositions in this country for many people to say

the kennedy name, it's a serious family. he's a very dark horse in the election. >> rick wilson, hayes brown, thank you so much and appreciate your time and insights. come back tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. eastern. until then, i am ayman mohyeldin . have a great night. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt.

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