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my name is oluseyi and some of my favorite moments throughout my life are watching sports with my dad. now, i work at comcast as part of the team that created our ai highlights technology, which uses ai to detect the major plays in a sports game. giving millions of fans, like my dad and me, new ways of catching up on their favorite sport. thank you so much for letting us into your homes for another week of shows. we're grateful. "the beat" with katie fang. >> another slow news day for all of us. >> what day of the week is it? i think it's a friday. nice to see you as always.
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>> welcome to "the beat." i'm katie fang in for ari melber. big developments in two cases involving donald trump. the new york election interference hush money case, that trial now delayed by at least 30 days for the judge to consider arguments about evidence in that case. the southern district of new york has only now handed over more than 100,000 documents to manhattan district attorney alvin brag in recent weeks with 15,000 pages turned over just today. also today a long-awaited ruling in the georgia rico case with a big decision. the judge overseeing the case against donald trump declining to disqualify district attorney fani willis ruling one of them must step down from the case to continue. the lead prosecutor, nathan wade, this afternoon taking the fall, resigning his position, quote, in the interest of democracy and, quote, to move this case forward as quickly as
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possible. today fani immediately accepting his resignation. the judge may have shot down his attempt to disqualify willis. he did find that their relationship does raise a, quote, significant appearance of impropriety that infects the earn tire -- excuse me, current structure of the prosecution team. fani willis while admitting to the relationship has denied any wrongdoing, vehemently defending herself at a hearing last month. >> you're confused. you think i'm on trial. these people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. i'm not on trial. let's be clear because you lied in this. let me tell you which one you lied in here. i think you lied right here. no, no, no, this is the truth. it is a lie. it is a lie. >> so fani willis stays but some
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say the damage to her credibility is already done. a washington post associate editor saying even though the decision is technically a win for willis it is, quote, devastating and nothing short of humiliating for willis. "the new york times" noting this is just the beginning with georgia republicans conducting their own education, ongoing negative headlines could influence potential jurors. others going so far as to say that willis should recuse herself. here's andrew weissman on "morning joe" this morning. >> this is such a huge body blow, almost a fatal blow to fani willis. i think the way forward is she has to voluntarily recuse herself. i don't know that she has it in her, but i think she has to say i'm going to appoint a chief assistant who's going to oversee this case. >> joining me now is melissa murray and a former fellow
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prosecutor in the northern district of illinois. thank you for getting us started. renata, to you. to the fdny cases that have been happening in tranches. alvin bragg's office created egregious violations that the case should be dismissed. what are your thoughts? >> don't see a basis for dismissal. what alvin and his bragg did was warranted saying there has to be some delay to go through the documents. the real question is why did the southern district of new york wait so long to dump the documents when they could have released them many months ago? i think there's a lot of questions about their judgment. these are documents the manhattan da's office has been
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seeking for many months. originally the u.s. attorney's office said they were not going to produce the documents. why the sudden change of heart? are they concerned what might happen in a trump presidency post election? it's something a lot of people are going to be asking questions about. really, there should be some answer that's given. i think ultimately the u.s. attorney's office needs to answer questions why they had a sudden change of heart that impacts a case that the entire public is watching in the lead in to this election. >> there will be questioned asked and answers received. he's now set a hearing on march 25th and he agreed with the defense to conduct this hearing on the claimed discovery violations. that date should have been the first day of trial, frankly. what can we expect to occur at that type of hearing? >> katie, thanks for having me. it's great to be here with
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rinado again. this is the closest i'll get to my lost youth. to your point about the judge, i think, again, he's doing his level best to keep this moving and again to say the fact of this document dump is not right. they have to be given the opportunity to consider and review the evidence that's being brought against them or to review evidence that goes to the impeachment against witnesses that is brought against them or that they themselves might be bringing. the judge is trying to get to the bottom of this. is this something that happened because the southern district of new york wasn't playing it straight? was it something that happened with regard to the manhattan da's office? were there bigger procedural questions going forward? the big question is are these so profound that it is worth dismissing this case? i don't see him going as far as
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that. he's played it pretty straight. this is about making sure this defendant has all of the procedural protections to which he's entitled. >> let's switch gears. let's go to the other huge news from today which was out of fulton county, georgia. i'd like to get your reaction to the decision of nathan wade being the prosecutor that stepped down from the rico prosecution. was it the right decision for him to go? >> i will say, i thought the judge's decision here was very down the middle. i think the judge played this straight in the sense that he clearly found that there was no actual conflict of interest, which is the right call. okay, that bar is so high that i never imagined the defendant could meet it. the judge correctly found that they didn't. i will say the judge stepped a little beyond his authority and basically saying that someone had to be removed from an appearance of impropriety. really that's -- i don't believe
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under georgia law he has that authority, that's my understanding, as a non-george began but talking to georgia lawyers. that said, i will say this, the judge clearly believes that fani willis and nathan wade were not candid on the stand. he thinks they misled the court. he's very concerned about it. i can understand given the eyes that are on this case, the importance of this case, why he made the decision he did. i do think nathan wade also made the right decision. ultimately, i disagree with andrew weissman. i don't think recusal in georgia can work the way he suggested. if there's recusal, i believe the entire office would have to be recused and a new da would have to be appointed. i think nathan wade said for the sake of democracy, the only way the elected da, fani willis and others could work on it would be
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for him to step aside. it's a blow for the case. he knows the case. he's worked the case. others have to get up to speed. i think it's the right choice for the team. >> melissa, in georgia an actual conflict of interest on the part of a prosecutor creates automatic disqualification in the law. appearance of impropriety does not create an automatic disqualification. do you agree the judge went a little too far? >> he said this was a tremendous lapse of judgment and her behavior had been unprofessional. these are grown adults. this is not the kind of ethical conflict you are worried about. the things where the prosecuor is having a relationship with the judge, defense, witness.
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this is chum in the water as fani willis prepares to bring her case to trial before a jury. her name is going to be in the papers. the fact that this has happened already makes clear there's likely to be more scrutiny going forward. that can't be great as she continues to prosecute this case before a jury of 12 fulton county residents. in that case i don't think it's wrong to say this was a lapse in judgment. the optics of this were quite poor. whether or not judge mcafee said that, i don't believe we're always right on that. >> there is a georgia state bar, for example, that could find if there was some violation of rules of ethical conduct, footnote, terence bradley according to judge mcafee literally had no credibility during the course of that hearing. rinado, there was no trial date. he said that there was zero
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evidence that wade was appointed in order for fani willis to derive a financial benefit and that was the reason why this case ever got investigated, dieted or currently prosecuted. judge mcafee found it wasn't like fani willis was trying to push this prosecution. if she wanted to make money, she would have tried to drag this out until the end of kingdom come. the fact that we don't have a trial date and the fact that we're a good way into q1 of 2024 with november around the corner, does that give you concern the georgia bar is going to get involved, maybe the georgia republicans have said they have an interest in investigating fani willis? >> i do think she has a target on her back. the judge mentioned there may be consequences elsewhere eluding to other bodies that could potentially take a look at this
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issue, though i do think fani willis needs her own lawyers and has to deal with those circumstances no matter what. the indictment from the very beginning bit off a lot. jack smith's indictment in the january 6th daze case, much more narrow. one defendant. very limited number ofcounts. a lot of defendants, rico, a whole lot of counts. this was already going to be a challenge to bring before the election and now with the lead prosecutor out of the case and all of this distraction, i think even more reason to be skeptical that this case ultimately proceeds to trial before the election. >> i rarely disagree with you but i am going to disagree with you. i don't have a problem with 19 defendants being prosecuted. i don't. melissa, stay with me for a bigger picture look at all four trump tiles.
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and also coming up, kellyanne conway has some new alternative facts. we'll explain. and new developments in the gop's biden impeachment debacle. plus this. >> i'm also going to need you to go ahead and come in on sunday, too. okay? >> okay? bernie sanders exposing a big problem with how republicans think you should work. all of that and more when we're back in just 60 seconds. okay y'all we got ten orders coming in... big orders!
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wrote the judge urging him to deny the immunity claims. then there's the mar-a-lago documents case where he was in court yesterday with special counsel jack smith. trump's team was arguing two different motions to dismiss the charges against him. the judge denied one of trump's motions to dismiss based on alleged vagueness in the text of the espionage act. we're still awaiting another ruling from cannon on his second attempt to dismiss based on the presidential records. yesterday she did seem skeptical of trump's arguments. then the coup case in washington, d.c. that case is on hold after the united states supreme court agreed to hear the immunity claims. those are scheduled for april 25th. there's no telling how long the high court will take to decide
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the case. meaning the likelihood of that trial happening before election day remains slim. melissa lee is here and dave aaronwood is here. i'll start with you. alvin bragg said trump never asserted presidential immunity as a defense and he waived any argument premised on the absolute theory when he tried to remove his case to federal court. should the judge summarily deny trump's immunity motion at this time? >> yes, katie. yes, he should. it's another delay tactic. the events in the new york case took place before he was president so presidential immunity does not apply. he waived the argument he's bringing up at the 11th hour. beware of the ides of march. the case we thought was going to go to trial first, the case we thought was guaranteed to go to trial in new york is being delayed 30 days.
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as a state prosecutor i want to say i have the backs of fellow state prosecutors. i believe them when they say it's the fed's fault. it's donald trump's fault. his team asked for the documents in mid january. it's no surprise we have all this extra time that the feds needed to deliver the goods. it's a shame this is happening but the delay tactics seem to be working. >> melissa, i want to refine something for our viewers to understand because what is at stake is not just delaying the trial but he's asking for sanctions. he wants to strike michael and stormy daniels. he is seeking the wholesale dismission sal. let's stick with the striking of witnesses now. what happens to that case for alvin bragg if someone like michael cohen is out? >> michael cohen is a core
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witness for the prosecution. he's not a witness without his own problems. he has been convicted of federal crimes. that will be lots for the defense to make hay of. he's a lynchpin of their case. stormy daniels are the lynchpins of their case. there is also david packer, the ceo of american media which is the publisher of the national enquirer. they are a big part of this case. it is alleged the national enquirer purchased stories from donald trump's alleged paramours and they had the women sign ndas allegedly so the stories would never see the light of day so donald trump's chances would be optimized. again, there are other witnesses that the prosecution could go to. allen weisselberg is also available and donald trump has not said anything about him. he's likely to be a witness for
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the defense. there's a lot the prosecution could do with him as well. i don't think this scuttles the prosecution's case entirely, but the prospect of getting rid of michael cohen and stormy daniels is a big, big deal. >> dave, let's go to our home state of florida. let's go to that mar-a-lago classified documents case which is getting so crazy that it sometimes takes a comedian to explain it best. take a listen to stephen colbert last night. >> his lawyers argued today that the presidential records act does not apply to former president trump because he had virtually unreviewable authority to designate presidential records as personal ones and the national archives has authority over only presidential records and not personal ones. as you can see, officer, i couldn't have stolen the car, because i have it. how could i steal something that's already mine? do you have the keys because i'm having a hell of a time hot
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wiring this [ bleep ]. >> stephen colbert's jokes are showing how absurd it is. it's such an easy answer, why didn't judge cannon already rule on it? >> she took it under advisement and she'll ruin rule against it later on. i was more concerned, katie, with her ruling on the espionage act. the presidential records act is an easy one. that one was established to try to ensure that government records remain government property. he can no longer take classified documents than he could take air force one home with him and repurpose it as the new trump jet. as far as the espionage act, i'm more concerned about that. judge cannon seemed to think donald trump had arguments there and she allowed him to bring it back up. if she rules in his favor that
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the espionage act is too vague to be constitutional, then it's over. once the jury is seated, double jury attaches as you know as a prosecutor. i don't think she did jack smith any favors by refusing to dismiss this case entirely. she sort of postponed her judgment until later. >> melissa murray, dave aaronberg, thank you very much for being with us on this very busy legal news day. i appreciate it. catch melissa's special with andrew weissman tonight at 10 p.m. eastern on msnbc. the renewed clash over work in america. bernie sanders going after maga's vision for work in the future and donald trump pushes cuts to retirement. >> no one in the united states should be retiring at 65 years
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dysfunction is hobbling the gop's ability to govern or get anything done. their white whale impeachment inquiry fizzling with a whimper
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and then this. today white house lawyers sending a bombshell letter to speaker johnson. the message was simple, your impeachment inquiry is over. that scathing letter imploring republicans to give it up is the first of its kind and it comes after johnson admitted he doesn't know much of anything about the gop-led inquiry into president biden. >> to be very frank with you, very honest and transparent, because i've been so busy with all my other responsibility have not been able to take the time to do the deep dive in the evidence. >> and here's a clue, that might be because there really isn't any evidence to begin with. absent both the proof and the votes to pass it, we now find top gop lawmakers considering a move to make criminal referrals to the doj against biden and his allies. this despite new revelations about their, quote, debunk star witness. cbs news reporting federal
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prosecutors were put on notice as far back as 2016 that alexander smirnov was a liar and fraudsters. turns out it was just smoke and mirrors. smirnov was indicted for lying about the bidens. this dysfunction comes as former president trump continues to swallow up the republican party from installing his daughter-in-law at the rnc to getting top members at the party to bend a knee and endorse him. joining me is eugene robinson, and juanita tolliver. what a day podcast. that applies to every day. >> really. >> your thoughts on this unprecedented letter. it's from white house counsel to house speaker mike johnson. >> right. it's just kind much a take that from the white house because the
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impeachment inquiry has so spectacularly and publicly fizzled. i think the white house is just sort of emphasizing that and putting an exclamation point on it. the white house doesn't have the power to end the inquiry, the house has to do it. i presume it will end because they can't -- they don't have the votes for impeachment and they don't have any evidence to talk about really. so they -- i guess this idea of criminal referral is kind of a plan b. i think it's aimed at an audience of one, donald trump, because they -- they told him they would do something to hurt joe biden and so i guess that will be it. >> juanita, in that letter the white house counsel saying, quote, none of the evidence has demonstrated that the president did anything wrong. the house oversight and
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judiciary committees have heard from not one, not two but more than 20 witnesses who have all confirmed this. juanita, are republicans basically backed into a corner now? it seems pretty obvious. don't they lose credibility by continuing to chase these ghosts? >> they lost credibility when he started an impeachment inquiry before he was ousted. there was never any credibility in this for them. when i see how they're using their time in congress, it's pretty clear they're grasping at straws. one not that biden is above reproach but clearly nothing at the level of impeachment. two, it's sending voters a signal about how republicans have used their time and controls of the house. they rejected any investments in immigration efforts. they didn't provide any effort
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to create, you know, things that the public needs, whether that's paid family leave, leave for child care, a whole host of things. so i think voters are going to look at this and say, oh, this is what we get when republicans are in control. i hope that's a message that comes off of this offensive move from the white house where they have said, you have no evidence. the witnesses have backed up the president and his family stories. i hope the next prong is to emphasize what a waste of time this is for everyone. this is what the republicans didn't do for people when they had control. >> eugene, there's the old adage, don't bite the hand that feeds you. all of this republican infighting has all but paralyzed the house. it's the most inefficient congress in history. speaker johnson saying he's going to need to rely on democrats if we want to passion foreign aid to ukraine, which is an acknowledgment of the resistance within his own
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potty -- party. >> freudian slip. >> there's been a lot. could house speaker johnson be walking on thin ice when it comes to the chaos caucus in the gop. >> absolutely. he lives on thin ice with those people. it's -- that's what i don't understand about johnson. any day on anything he does or doesn't do he can have a motion to vacate a chair from a member of the chaos h goes. and he -- so why doesn't he just go ahead and do what he knows needs to be done rather than, you know, kind of just wade and delay and try to find some way through this maze. there is no way through it. the chaos caucus is good at
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chaos. he has to deal with that. he should just do his job. to get anything passed, if you look at the recent record, he has to rely on democrats to keep the government running, he has to rely on democrats. now the ukraine fund being that's long overdue, desperately needed, he keeps pushing that back and pushing that back. just do it. >> juanita, in the latest episode of "profiles of courage" i want to get your thoughts on what happened today. former vice president mike pence refusing to endorse his former boss on fox. take a quick listen. >> it should come as no surprise that i will not be endorsing donald trump this year. i made it clear that there were profound differences between me and president trump on a range of issues, and not just our difference on my constitutional duties that i exercised on january the 6th. i cannot in good conscience endorse donald trump in this
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campaign. >> i mean, juanita, i tweeted out, he found a spine again. he finds it randomly and at random times. this is not going to change the hearts and minds of the core maga, right? >> absolutely not. remember, on january 6th the chant -- they were chanting was hang mike pence all because trump put a target on his back. i appreciate mike pence making mention of january 6th as the reason why he wouldn't support trump, but when he talks about his agenda diverging from what he and trump represented when they were in office, that's where i get confused. i'm like, wait, overturning roe v. wade and banning abortion seems pretty aligned with what we saw from them in the white house as well as their harmful, hateful policies against any and every community of color. we know trump is going to come back and double down on all of that and add in a sprinkle of dictatorship and authoritarian alignment. i'm confused about what mike
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pence thinks he's communicating here. >> eugene, we have less than 60 seconds but i did want to give you the last word on this. mike pence is the old school establishment for the gop. that's a dying breed if not a total dinosaur, right? what does it tell you that there were chants, as juanita, when trump called for hanging his vice president on january 6th, he makes this announcement and it ends up being a conversation point for you and me and juanita. >> it's incredible. the republican establishment is not a dinosaur. it's dinosaur bones in a museum. it does not exist. it's gone. and there is a new republican party and it is in the image of donald trump and that's -- you know, that's hard for me to
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accept. i didn't agree with the old republican party but i actually thought it's good to have a more progressive and conservative party duking it out and you get better policies that way, i think. but not with -- not with donald trump maga republican party, which cannot be reasoned with r negotiated with because it does whatever the whim of donald trump happens to be on a given day. i like ukraine. i don't like ukraine. okay, no more money for ukraine. that's kind of the way this party works. >> and as juanita's podcast says, what a day. >> what a day. >> what a day. eugene robinson and juanita, thank you for being here. i appreciate you. >> have a good weekend. >> thank you. still ahead.
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trump ally, kellyanne conway is back in the news with some brand-new alternative facts about reproductive rights. we'll get into it. first, bernie sanders is taking on maga pressing forward to reshape the way americans work.
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developing this week, a renewed and fiery clash between top liberal figures like bernie sanders on the one hand and prominent maga voices on the other over the nature of work
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and fairness in america. a top conservative pundant getting blow back after attacking retirement programs like social security and arguing that americans shouldn't retire at all. here's ben shapiro. >> social security is an impairment scheme. it's insane we haven't raised the retirement age. no one in the united states age should be retiring at 65 years old. retirement is a stupid idea. >> it's an extreme stance. the main ideas is shared by the gop's nominee. >> there is a lot you can do in terms of entitlements, in terms of cutting and in terms of also the theft and the bad management of entitlements. tremendous bad management of entitlements. there's tremendous amounts of things and numbers of things you
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can do. >> so that is the maga position. american workers should just put in more years and get fewer benefits. now on the left bernie sanders is arguing that workers are getting a raw deal this week unveiling legislation to reduce the work week to 32 hours without a reduction in pay. sanders then getting into a heated exchange with a reporter from rupert mourdock's fox business channel. >> i think it's time for a shortened work week. >> can we ask you a question about that. it seems like businesses want businesses -- >> that's not my assumption. >> pay their workers more. lower prices and pay people not to work. >> you know what i would like to say -- >> how are businesses going to survive that? how can -- >> when mr. bezos pays an effective tax rate lower than the average worker, i think we have a real problem in our tax system. i think that billionaires have to start paying their fair share. >> there was a time that some
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republicans actually agreed with bernie sanders, none other than richard nixon floated the idea of a four day work week back in 1956. instead work just got more demanding. americans now clock in nearly 1800 work hours per year, which is way more than other advanced nations. we work 300 more hours than our counterparts in england and even more compared to norway which may be why so many films about the pressures of work in america have become just so iconic. >> coffee, violet, now. >> yes, sir. ? i'm so sorry, miranda. >> details of your incompetence do not interest me. >> hem low, peter. what's happening? >> i'm going to need you to go ahead and come in tomorrow. >> i can't. >> if you don't go, i'll assume
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you're not serious about your future. >> i'm also going to need you to go ahead and come in on sunday too. okay? >> joining me now is robert reisch, former labor secretary under president clinton and a professor of economics at u.c. berkeley. robert, it's a pleasure to have you on the show. first, your thoughts of bernie sanders's proposal of a 32 hour work week? >> it sounds radical, katie, but it's not radical. we've had a 40 hour work week since 1940 and since 1940 the productivity, that is the output of american workers on average, has increased 400%. so it's not nearly as radical as it sounds. we've also had a huge increase in the wealth and income of people at the top. in fact, most american workers who are getting an hourly wage have not seen adjusted for
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inflation any real increase in their wages in 40 years. so it is not only economically appropriate, it is just, it is fair and the places it's been tried have shown that it actually works quite well. >> put your advocacy hat on for me, robert, and convince everyone that's listening, including republicans, that a 32 hour work week with the increased productivity means. >> i'm not sure i can convince any republicans, katie. i've been trying for years on many issues, but let me just say this. the people who are independents or who have not made up their minds. it's very important to understand that the american workforce feels extraordinarily overwhelmed, under appreciated, disrespected and they work harder than almost any other
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workforce in any place around the world. i mean, one of the reasons, i hate to admit it, but one of the reasons when donald trump says i am your voice, people like the idea of a strong man. i'm talking about working americans. is because they don't feel that they have a voice. it's vitally important for democrats, for independents and even for, yes, enlightened business leaders to truly consider a 32 hour work week with no diminution in pay. >> republican senator bill cassidy said this about that 32 hour work week proposal. take a quick listen, robert. >> if we want to maintain the status of the world's wealthiest nation, if we kneecap something that purports to be good for the american worker which will lead to off shoring american jobs. >> i heard a lot of blah, blah,
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blah. then i heard off shoring of labor. you and i both know that's a triggering phrase for a lot of people. is there any point whatsoever that's being made by cassidy there? >> well, no. we've already seen off shoring, katie. we've already had it for 20 years. we've done more and more off shoring, although we're doing a little bit less off shoring to china. we're doing more off shoring to southeast asia and mexico. it's inevitable that there will be some off shoring, but i think that it's important that we not accept this as inevitable in the sense that i -- you know, there are economic policies that could and should be put into place to protect american workers, their livelihoods, of their incomes. i mean, after all, who's going to buy all of the stuff that we produce if american workers don't have enough money in their pockets? >> true. absolutely. robert reich, thank you so much for being here.
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