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connection with the voting block he cannot be victorious without, black americans. >> i have your back as much as any president has. >> a national biden campaign cochair joins me live to discuss the interview and the reaction to the presidents comments. trump installs his favorites at the rnc including a election denier as chairman and his daughter in law. michael steele tells me what is happening to his party. special counsel robert herz testifies before congress even though he has already announced no charges will be brought against president biden for his handling of classified documents. we will talk about what is really going on. snl's response to the

infamous republic can response. >> i am not just a senator, i am a wife, a mother and the craziest pitch in the target parking lot. >> salty, this is the sunday show. the 2024 election is shifting into high gear this week. on tuesday primaries will be held in the battleground state of georgia and three other states. on tuesday trump could clinch the republican presidential nomination, something that would have happened even if nikki haley hadn't suspended her campaign last week. and on the heels of the state of the union address biden is ready for a rematch. yesterday i spent a day with

the reelection campaign traveling with the president on air force one from philadelphia to atlanta for a behind the scenes look for his effort to take a second term. the president and i talked about how energized he is to take on trump, his likely opponent. he told me every time he hears trump speak he gets to stop. after touching down in atlanta i witnessed the juiced up energy firsthand as he and the first lady met with my minority business leaders at the gathering spot where we sat down later for a interview jampacked with news on everything over his regret for using the word illegal when talking about the immigration status while being heckled by marjorie taylor green. to his relationship with the israeli prime minister in the prospects of a cease-fire in the israel hamas war.

he brought the same heat from the state of the union to a rally yesterday afternoon where he framed the differences between his vision and trump's vision of america. during my exclusive one-on-one conversation with biden i asked him about the promise he made to black americans when he took the election in 2020. the one where he declared, you have always had my back and i will have yours. here is what he had to say. >> you mentioned at the outset of the conversation you got the endorsement of minority business leaders. you promised black america that you would have our back. do you feel you have our backs? >> i have your back as much as any president has in american history since johnson. black wealth has increased by 60% across the board. you should interview some of the

black leaders that are here. they told me how they are moving, they have loans, they have direct payments made by the government to keep them going. there is not a single thing they cannot do given a shot. it is not only black but hispanic and asian americans, that is why all three major organizations endorsed me today, we kept them in business and moved them all along. more small businesses opened than any time in 50 years. they make up half the economy. that is why the one thing nobody realizes i think is when i got elected i decided to employee the law as it was written in the 30s for what happens in terms of when a president spends money given by the congress, it says hire american workers and use american products and that is

what i am doing and i said i am going to make sure 20% goes into minority small businesses and 21% is gone. it is growing the economy. >> joining me now is the assistant democratic leader, james of south carolina and also the national cochair for biden's 2024 reelection campaign. thank you for coming to the sunday show. the president said in the clip he has black voters backs. do you think they will have his in november? >> first of all thank you for having me. yes i do think we will have his back. we have had it in the past, he has given us no reason not to have it going forward. you have heard some of what he has done with the administration. let me tell you a couple of other things.

he has driven black unemployment down to the lowest it has been in 40 years. when you look at historical black politics and universities, he knows their value and after seeing the number of 7 billion invested in them, we did the numbers. 7 billion in the first year but to that third year it is now 11 billion. when it comes to student debt relief, just because the supreme court stopped him on one front, he plotted out a course on for other fronts and now 140 billion in student loan debt relief and let me say this about two of the programs, the income-based program and the one based on public service, going forward for the next four years, every two months, another 75,000 people will be

eligible to have their student loan debt forgiven. 50,000 for income-based and 25,000 every two months for those that provide public service. so what biden has done is what he said he would do and he would have done more if he could get around the senate filibuster. one more thing, nobody blames biden for what the supreme court did with women and their reproductive freedoms. the supreme court did that. so why are we blaming biden for what happened with the voting rights act? the supreme court that that. the supreme court got rid of the attractiveness of the voting rights act of 65 in the decision. we know that and people said well biden did not keep his promise, no, we passed the bill

in the house. we came within three votes of getting it in the senate but the filibuster stopped us. so biden is doing everything he said he would do and more. i think he has had our back and i really believe we will have his back going into this election. >> i was going to skip ahead to election but i will hold you a little bit longer. yesterday at the rally i interviewed maryland governor with more and atlanta mayor dickens about voter enthusiasm for the president since the state of the union. watch this. >> we have a president today that is out here energized, and speaking to a diverse crowd versus a opponent who right now is campaigning with marjorie taylor green. what is at stake is so severe and significant and the disparity between the two is massive. >> since thursday democrats are

more fired up. he had to nail it at the state of the union and he did that for now they are energized and excited. look at how many people are here throughout the week. they are ready. before that we needed the jolt to the arm they gave us. >> congressman do you get the sense that democrats that are worried about the president's campaign before the state of the union are energized now? >> yes i do but let me say something about that. the two of us sat down talking about the campaign a few weeks ago, i said at that time, mister president, i used to say there is no substitute for substance and you have all of the substance anybody would want to have in your administration and i will stop saying that because it seems in this day and time people are more in tune with style than substance so i told him what you are suffering from now is a

lack of style that turns people on and he said to me i will take care of that in the state of the union address and he did. that is the only thing that changed. he had a different approach, a different style and now everybody is turned on. i was turned on with the substance and that is what i think really matters, substance. >> i am with you on that. let me get one more thing. a hard pivot here. and part of my interview with the president he had this to say about israel's prime minister, we will talk about it on the other side take a listen. >> what is your redline with the prime minister? do you have a redline? would the invasion, would that be a redline? >> it is a redline but i will not leave israel, the defense

of israel is critical so there is no redline, i will cut off all weapons so the parent am will not protect them but you cannot have 30,000 more palestinians dead. >> so today the prime minister said he will defy the redline and intends to press ahead with the invasion, what will that do to the relationship between biden and the prime minister? >> it would very well ruptured that relationship in a real bad way. i am not surprised at all about the prime minister, i have been onto him for a long time. the president just like the members of congress, most members, the vast majority are very supportive of israel. i believe most members of congress like most israelis are not in support of the prime

minister. remember the prime mister put together a bunch of nondescript groups and was able under the system, to get the prime minister ship but he does not have the majority of people in israel, he does not have the majority of people in this country and he does not have the majority of people in the u.s. congress but their system allows him to do what he is doing so i think the president is correct to say you cannot do what you are doing. if he does that he runs the risk of ill serving the people of israel in a way that has not happened since truman recognized their independence in 1948. >> with that we have to leave it there, thank you as always for coming to the sunday show. >> thank you for having me. coming up trumps daughter

in law is installed as cochair of the rnc tightening trumps grip on the party and possibly the money. we will explain what is going on in the organization he used to lead. the council that raised questions about biden's age and mental fitness is testifying before the house judiciary committee this week. a member of the committee, congressman glenn ivey joins me to discuss what we can expect. all of this and more on the sunday show. sunday show. with nurtec odt,

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it is official, trump has solidified his takeover of the rnc. mcdaniel has stepped down as chair after being pushed out. the man replacing her is north carolina republican michael what the a election denier. the disgraced daughter in law lana trump has been named as cochair. they are already focused on raising money. it should help trump pay his legal bills. while he has not said he supports it he has made it clear he will allocate resources for so-called election integrity.

>> we will work relentlessly in every state to make sure it is easy to vote and hard to cheat. over the next eight months the rnc will work with trumps campaign to deliver on these formations. if a dollar we have is not directed towards winning this november that dollar will not be spent. >> joined me now is michael steele, host of the weekend and former chairman of the republican national committee. chairman steele. what is up with this new leadership? >> i call it the complete decapitation of the rnc from anything that was remotely connected to mainstream republicanism.

traditional conservatism. it is now fully mag a. 140 of the 168 members are mag a. that takes care of the chairman and the committee men and women. you have installed the current chair of north carolina now chairman of the rnc and of course the presidents daughter in law. how do you think that will go when also the campaigns political leader and ju room is also coming over to the rnc? >> what is lassa vida's role at the rnc? >> probably somewhere along the lines of executive director. overseeing the day-to-day operations that touch on everything the rnc does. as well as has a rule of making

sure the execution and implementation of where the dollars go. happens the way trump wants it to happen. when you hear people or anyone else say, no matter how strong the expletive they used to say it, that there will be no dollars going to trump and his legal defense, that is a lie. because there is a myriad of ways in which those dollars can be used, siphoned off and repurposed if you will. i am telling all of the good reporters out there to home the fcc report. you have to look at the thing that pops up that suddenly was not there before and is now. there is a lot of different things you need to be aware of. and one final point on that,

there are members inside the rnc that do not want the dollars to go in that direction. there was a effort to try to get language passed officially to prevent it from happening but alas it did not happen because trump did not want it to. >> the piggy bank is going to get robbed. the rnc says they are hiring tens of thousands of election integrity poll watchers. >> are they doing that themselves? >> let me get this question out, it smells like voter intimidation to me. what do you make of this? >> of course it is. the way these things are operationalize, the boards of elections have individuals that individuals certified to work within the confines of the precincts where the voting takes place. the parties typically have

volunteers who serve as poll watchers and you see them standing outside with signs saying vote for my candidate so those roles are within the required boundaries. they are not a part of the official process. what we saw over the last year is the rnc made efforts to get some of the people trained up so they could be moved inside the building but the objectives remained the same and i remember on a number of shows raising this particular fact to watch how they were operationalizing this aspect of what would be poll watchers into voting volunteers, people working in processing peoples voting through the process, looking at voting records, confirming who they are versus what the document says.

so yes i think there is a lot to be concerned about their and that is part of the plan. >> we have a minute left but i cannot have you here and not have as talk about senator katie and her republican response, here is a clip from snl, scarlet johansson making a spectacular cameo appearance as the alabama senator katie. >> you know my husband and i spent a lot of time in this kitchen worrying, kitchens are where families have the hard conversations like the one we will have tomorrow about how mommy freaked out the entire country. >> chairman steele, come on. why did she do this? >> she did it because that is

what she was coached to do and it is unfortunate because i would invite people to go on youtube and look at videos of senator britt. she is really good and very effective and would have been a very effective individual to respond. what they did is they over prepared, they tried to create something that frankly verged on the stepford wives and it was unfortunate because that is not who she is naturally so again one more reason why the response after the state of the union needs to go away, apparently the dodo is the only thing that can do it and it is not a good look. >> chairman steele, i see you, i respect you and i must tell you it is time to go.

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classified documents. while he declined to prosecute what peaked interests most is the language robert used to describe interviews with the president, throughout the report biden's memory was painted as significantly limited and the report claimed it brought to trial the president would present himself as a synthetic well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory. it sparked a impeachment hearing republican set has yet to yield evidence but they keep digging. congressman ivey, thank you for coming to the sunday show. what are you expecting to hear? >> they will try to focus a lot on those comments about the presidents age, i know the white house came out strong after the report was published but given the president's performance on thursday at the state of the union most of that

is water under the bridge now. i think he blew those arguments out of the water. when you heard the republican commentary about it he said it was too strong, too political and too angry but not too old. >> trump has made a false equivalency between his case and this report into the president's handling of documents. he wrote in his report, several material distinctions between trump's case and biden's are clear after beginning multiple chances to return documents and avoid prosecution trump allegedly did the opposite. the fbi had to rate his house to get the documents back. do you expect republicans to ignore that in tuesday's hearing? >> they will try but i guarantee the democrats will not. you had members of the committee complaining the entire time that there is two standards of justice, the doj

has weaponized itself against the president and this is one aspect. this will give us a chance to blow that out of the water using robert, a former republican u.s. attorney and using the report as the basis. >> speaking of former u.s. attorney, how many u.s. attorney chief prosecutor jobs have you had in your career in maryland? >> i had one in the state and i was a assistant u.s. attorney in dc. >> what do you make of the special counsel's report? a lot of the commentary is like why did he throw in all of the extra language? i thought there was supposed to be equal justice in the law and it felt like he was putting his hand on the scale. >> i think that is right, there was a lengthy effort for him to

go through everything and i think he wrote about some things that would not normally be made public. this is a report that typically would not be made public but traditionally has been under the statute. the house judiciary committee emma jordan sending subpoenas to everybody about everything there, even traditional things with daily prosecutors alone like being in the middle of the prosecution with respect to hunter biden, they are still dragging the prosecutors of their demanding documents interrupting their efforts to move forward. this would have been language that was made public and the politics of it are very obvious. so i am surprised he did it but again i do not think that will matter to the american people moving forward at this point. >> we have seen so many hearings now that we know how the process goes. the majority to the opening

statement and a minority gets a opening statement and you each ping-pong back and forth given the opening statements. what is going to be the democratic strategy here? what are you going to say when the ping-pong ball gets to you? >> i am last, i am the next two youngest members so usually i wait to see what has been done before and make sure if there is any cleanup issues that need to be addressed. over all we want to make sure it's clear, the point about the overreach with respect to some of the statements he made in the report but the bottom line is the contrast between biden who he found had not committed criminal misconduct and should not be executed with former trump and i think he had committed his conduct and tried to hide the documents and they had to go in with search warrants to get them. it is a good contrast for

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place and who was president when it happened. >> that was scarlett johansson giving a killer performance as alabama senator katie britt on saturday night live. here for another edition of sunup is a cofounder of the lincoln project and a independent political strategist. a political reporter at the boston globe and a opinion columnist and associate editor at the boston globe. thank you on for coming back to the sunday show. i want to pick up on what we just played on the parity by showing you the real senator katie britt and what she had to say on fox news sunday this morning about the vignette about the sex trafficking story. watch this. >> to be clear the story you relate is not something that has happened under the biden

administration. that particular person. >> i clearly said i spoke to a woman who told me about when she was trafficked when she was 12. >> just to be clear the story she says she was told actually happened under bush in 2004 and in mexico but your reaction to senator britz response to the pushback on that story she told? >> i think the response is typical. there was no apology, no clarification, just doubling down on what she already said but republicans count on their supporters to not just ignore the facts but be immune to them and it is like the old far side cartoon where the dog only hears his own name. trump reporters all day heard in the comments she made were biden and border policies,

nothing else matters. details and facts are completely irrelevant. >> james, do you think senator britt will get away with mischaracterizing the circumstances behind the story she told? the republicans even really care? >> even the response of her response is basically ignore it, she is already scheduled to be on fox news sunday ahead of this disaster of the response but look, they are already focusing on biden and was he on steroids or how did he get so energetic? they are trying to ignore the entire response. >> read, what about that? even congressman ivey when he was here a moment ago, we are sort of with last, one minute

republicans are saying the president is old, feeble, senile, cannot do the job, barely there and now they are saying he is like some hopped up superman, he is suddenly partisan, who are these people? >> the good news is when you do not worry about the truth you can say whatever you want and that is what we are seeing in this case and it is frankly on a daily basis. it does not matter to katie britt or the people around her who she should really be mad at to be honest with you, that she told a lie. there is no going back to normal for mag a and she is now part of it. she does not know it yet, they always quadruple down on it because it is not our fault the truth came out, it is the people that dared to do the work like jonathan on tick-tock to figure this out, how dare

they come up with the truth, that is what she is mad about and that is what her supporters will be mad about as well. >> i will switch gears and talk about senator lindsey, along the lines of the president, whether he has the stamina to run a campaign and the man i saw yesterday is itching to get on the campaign trail and roast trump and mag a republicans, here is what lindsay said on meet the press about the need of biden to debate trump. >> if he is really back with it an energetic comic in a room with trump and debate, take questions from people like yourself rather than reading a teleprompter. if there was ever a election that deserved a debate between two candidates it is this selection, trump just told me, anytime anywhere. >> why do i get the distinct

impression that this is part of a psi ops operation, they are out there, the trump campaign and his sycophants are out there saying trump is ready to debate, biden should commit to debating in a makes me feel like they do not want to debate. >> this is what i was talking about earlier about not worrying about facts, it was the rnc in 2022 that said it will not participate in any debate hosted by the commission of presidential debates because the mainstream media was always out to get the republican. i happen to know personally during the primary his campaign did not want trump debating, he did not want him on a stage especially with mike pence or chris christie but even as the field dwindled, they were afraid of what he may say on a debate stage. in a rally setting, everybody expects him to be nuts, to say the crazy and horrible things he said over the weekend but

standing on a stage with the current president but they know he cannot hold it together. they know he has only one way of doing it. when he tried to do to biden in 2020 or what he did due to hillary clinton. none of it is true. >> i think he has to debate, i think trump has to debate but to reach point, not only is his campaign afraid that he will say the crazy stuff but the man has 91 felony counts and could get himself in trouble legally given the cases against him. >> every time i hear someone like lindsey graham or anybody else say that, trump wants to debate income it reminds me of every time we hear from trump's lawyers, he wants to testify. except it never actually

happens. not really, not in the way he was promoting it would. it is all smoke and mirrors. i am willing to do this thing but in the end i do not, he will not debate biden in the same way he did not bother debating the republican opponents because he cannot control himself and it is a different between saying something on a rally stage and saying something that far more people are going to watch and hear. he will say things about being a dictator on day one and that will hurt him more so there is no logical reason no matter what lindsey graham says that trump wants to be on a debate stage with biden. >> let me ask the control room a question because here is trump , getting to what reid was talking about in terms of crazy, mocking the president

during his rally. >> two nights ago we heard joe's angry dark and hate filled rant of a state of the union address, did it not bring us together? i am going to bring it together. no, he is a threat to democracy. >> this man was president of the u.s. and as galling as that was, this man is the presumptive republican nominee and has a 50-50 shot of being president again. just in the 10 seconds we have left, your reaction. >> look, they were saying the same thing on fox, suddenly biden is the divisive one in the previous resident that brought us together is gas

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how is your aunt? >> she is great, thank you for asking. >> how old is she now? >> i think late 60s but i will ask her. >> do not ask ruth there is not a woman in my family as old as any man. >> that was aboard the air force one in the conference room, the last time i had a interview with the president she made a special phone call to my aunt, it is clear he still remembers her, here is america's favorite aunt. aunt gloria, after the sit down interview, after what you just saw, he says do you have and gloria's phone number let's call her and this phone i have is new compared to the one in 2022 and i went to your name

and i did not have your number. i emailed you. if i had been able to get you on the phone with the president, what would you have said? >> i would say congratulations on a perfect state of the union address. he was vigorous, direct and he has the wisdom to take us further. i thought the republicans looked like zombies. they just sat there. >> on the point of republicans, they were zombies in the chamber, given what you just said, what did you make of the republican response and senator katie britt? >> did she even see the state of the union address? i think she wrote that some type of go, we are supposed to be said about this poor little

girl. i thought it was a little ridiculous. saturday night live did a better job. >> so as we now know we are down to the same two candidates as we had in 2020 when you famously told me biden should be the nominee because it takes a old white dude to beat a old white do so how do you feel about another biden versus trump rates? >> the older white dude is better than the younger white dude. biden can beat trump anywhere. trump will trip himself up. it is just a matter of time. he has no clue and why would anybody want him considering how the world is now, running things? biden has been through this, world war ii, i do not want world war iii, trump will get

us into world war iii, he does not care, he will just jump in his plane and take off when somebody starts throwing bombs. >> and gloria, we have 15 seconds, do you think trump wants to debate biden? >> he may want to but i know there is no one around him that wants that to happen. trump is crazy. even when he speaks he is crazy. he does not want a two-way conversation. he just wants to scream whatever he has to say and most of it does not make any sense. >> on that and gloria, we have to leave it there. the next time he you come on the show you will be sitting next to me. that is a promise, trust and believe.

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