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welcome back to "the weekend." this week, the supreme court ruled that donald trump can stay on 2024 ballots and next month on april 25th, the same court will review trump's presidential immunity claim and that federal election interference case. now this was the case that was supposed to begin this past

monday. well, that was before the high court effectively endorsed donald trump's delay tactics. next guest says the courts should act as soon as they are allowed to in order to hold trump accountable. regardless of how close it is to election day. quote, trump's criminal trials should begin as soon as the supreme court dispatches with his absurd immunity claim and there's no legal reason why they cannot start in august, september, or even october. well, joining us now is the author of those words, election lawyer mark elias and he is the founder of democracy docket and chair of the elias law group and i would argue one of the chief defenders of you know, our democracy in this country. >> to that end i think there were a lot of people who watched the news come down and felt absolutely dejected because there's an appetite for accountability and an appetite to see the systems and structures in this country work. to those who feel the opportunity for accountability has lost, what do you say, mark. >> we can't give up. we can't give up hope. the -- the dictators and the authoritarians, one of the ways

they rule is by making their -- their populations feel hopeless. they want them to feel like there's no other way. and donald trump, he is a seller of hopelessness. you know, he is -- he wants there to be, if barack obama wanted there to be hope and change, donald trump wants there to be statsic despair and we cannot give into that. right? we have to always have hope. and we have to remember that whatever is in front of us today in the courts, there's always an opportunity for redemption. and the supreme court will have its chance at redemption when it hears the immunity claim and it should rule quickly and if it follows the same schedule of 25 days after hearing the argument we'll have a ruling in may and then the trial courts need to stop giving him preferential treatment and stop treating him like he's anything other than a normal criminal defendant and they need to schedule and execute the trials. >> but that's the rub right there. this whole process. and i have been -- making this noise on this point for a while

that donald trump has effectively bent the judicial system into a pretzel. and is almost challenged them, how dare you, you know, treat me the way you would any other criminal. because i'm the former president. well, the other presidents didn't do what you did. so yeah, you are not above the law. that you know, seems for a lot of folks doesn't resonate with the court. it resonates with the people. we believe that. but our judicial system and it's not just you know, people in polite company saying this, marc. there are a lot of folks around the country feel the rulings that have come down in recent weeks and now you had eileen cannon in that case. just kind of leaning into this idea how can we help donald trump? and so how do you -- overcome that? i get the hope argument. but how do you actualize that

when clearly what i'm seeing seems to be a slow roll to get this thing past the election so donald trump gets re-elected and makes it all go away. that's the thing -- that's the view on the street. >> look, you know, as usual, you are spot on correct. i have heard you make this point before. and it's actually a point i make in the piece that i wrote. the judiciary is not doing its job. you know. and this is not by the way, to attack just the supreme court. i'm critical of the trial judge. >> it's not a partisan point folks. this is -- this is a real live point here. when you see it happening. >> when you and marc elias are violently agreeing on this case. [ laughter ] >> i was going to say life didn't begin that way with he and i. but i think it's like critically important that people understand this. is that over and over again, what we have seen is courts give donald trump special treatment. they have not treated him like every other person who is facing charges. they are, you know, look at how they tied themselves in knots

over gag orders. i mean, could you imagine if a -- a 25-year-old black man, resident of washington, d.c. mouthed off about judges in d.c. superior court. >> they will put them under the jail. okay? under the jail. >> right? the truth is yes we need the supreme court to do away with this frivolous case but we then need the judges, the liberal and conservative trial judges by the way. to start treating him like any other criminal defendant. and we don't schedule trials at the convenience of criminal defendants. >> oh. we know. >> right? i mean, like what other defendant gets to say you know what? those three months you know, september, october, november, very busy for me. not available. that time. maybe -- you know, next may. >> next may. next may. >> and so that is your exactly -- you are exactly right that's the problem. >> it's frustrating. >> it struck me the title of your piece is "it is past time to bring trump to justice."

what -- we all have to traffic in the what ifs. what if the trial judges fail us? like what -- there is no -- it feels like there's no recourse if the trial judges -- >> like the last for the courts. >> if they don't do their part, like what -- what happens then? like what is this all mean? >> yeah. so, i tried in the piece to make clear that i'm not so much saying what happens if they fail us electorally. but the system right? the truth is that it is past time to bring donald trump to justice for the benefit of the courts. you know. we have seen the courts fail us and we have seen the courts succeed and protect democracy. and if the courts prove themselves unable and it would be unable, to bring donald trump to trial, and to justice, it will undermind and rightly

so, confidence that we have in a one tier justice system. i mean, what will it mean if a rich, powerful, you know, man like donald trump can evade timely justice? while, you know, the d.c. jails and jails around this country are filled with people who are being held on far less serious charges. so it is a existential crisis not just for american democracy but for the american court system and the judiciary. >> the president picked up during his state of the union address. take a listen to something he had to say aimed specifically at the supreme court justices. take a listen. >> look, it's a decision to overturn roe versus wade the supreme court majority wrote the following. and with all due respect, justices. women are not without electoral power. excuse me, electoral or political power. you are about to realize just how much you are right about that. [ applause ]

>> first of all, give an emmy to the camera operator honey because i was like -- [ laughter ] also give an emmy to all the justices who have to sit there completely stone faced and give nothing away. >> okay? joe biden was absolutely right. like -- take it -- take it -- supreme court justices like hello. what is happening here? what is going on? >> look, they -- [ laughter ] >> left her speechless. >> literally. it doesn't happen often. >> never seen that before. i mean, leave it to the president of the united states and a bunch of justices to make symone go speechless. >> i mean, goodness it's surprises every weekend. but it speaks to that point of the frustration. >> that people are feeling and it behooves the president and his re-election campaign to say if you are frustrated about this and looking at the supreme court, don't despair. right in some out and vote. and show them that they say you

got political power. let's see it. >> right. and but -- look. the supreme court made this bed for themselves and now they're lying in it. i mean, i have no sympathy for supreme court justices who -- who overturned, you know, 60 years of precedent. simply because they had the numbers. and then wrote that and then came to the state of the union, you know, i mean, all of those things you know, i didn't go to the state of the union. right? i mean, you know, so good for president biden in highlighting the words of the supreme court. you know, he wasn't making this up. the president of the united states was reading the words of what the supreme court wrote. so. so you know, here we are. >> it was a good -- it was a good moment and there were a number of good moments like that for the president. i just want to -- we've been talking about the courts and we are talking about the whole judicial process. just draw the lens out a little bit more on the politics of this moment. and how well do you think the president has been able --

including the before time, before what happened on the state of the union on thursday -- how he's handled the politics of this moment. because i think to be honest, i think anybody else in this game would have cracked under the pressure and the frustrations of having to deal with his own base yapping at his heels about stuff he ain't doing. his opposition coming at him. and still navigating the country into a space where the markets are responding favorably. the -- the global community is like okay, joe, what do you need us to do? how do you assess his assessment of the political moment as his campaign kicks off? >> look, i think that joe biden is the man for this moment and the reason among others is his years of experience in politics are showing through. you know, he is not panicking. he is not playing the our twitter game. he is -- >> which is actually a lot of fun just by the way.

>> you know, i'm here for it. i'm on twitter and i'm on threads you know come follow me. [ laughter ] hey. you know? but -- but you know, he's not -- he is -- he is letting his experience of having been in politics be an asset for himself and for the american people. because he's not letting the crazy republicans get under his skin and he is understanding that he will be judged by the successes of the country when we get to next november. not -- not today. and he is also now highlighting those successes which are enormous successes. both in terms of the economy and in terms of putting the country out of covid, remember what he took over from. but also about democracy and i want to say a quick word about that. you know a lot of people in this town roll their eyes when joe biden talks about democracy but the fact is, presidents are there for historic moments. linden banes johnson was there to give a historic address to congress about democracy with

the voting rights act. john kennedy gave historic addresses to congress. joe biden gave a historic address to congress. and you know, people can be cynical all they want but history will remember him kindly for that. >> i think that's a very good point and important one. marc, stick around because we want to talk to you about the trump takeover of the rnc. yes. that happened. it's a thing. and what it means to have an election denier in the committee's top post. you are watching "the weekend."

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it is official. donald trump has taken over the republican national committee. during its spring meeting, the rnc voted unanimously to install north carolina gop chair michael wattley as the committee's new chairman. watley is a 2020 election denier who was hand picked by trump to succeed mcdaniel. what's more, trump's daughter- in-law laura will be co-chair. but with the 168 members did not vote on was a pair of resolutions that would bar the rnc from paying trump's legal bills. back with us election lawyer marc elias. >> first of all, marc, you were the lawyer for the dnc from like 2009 until 2023. so if -- this would never happen, but you know, it's happening for the republicans. so you know, maybe there's -- i don't know if there's an authoritarian feature in the

democratic party but who knows, if folks came to you and said look the democratic nominee has some legal issues. you know, maybe they're parking tickets and not necessarily classified documents or you know, an insurrection. we have to pay some of the legal bills. what would you have said in that meeting. >> you know what i would have said but think about how far this has traveled you know. when -- when john mccain was the nominee, there was a genuine scandal over the fact that the rnc was paying for clothing for -- for sarah palin. okay? and we were talking about like -- tens of thousands of dollars. okay. that was like a bona fide like -- oh my god, can you believe the rnc is doing this? now we fast forward and people are like oh, dues, a couple hundred million dollars you know, can the rnc kick in money here? you know, what's interesting on the politics of this is you have chris lessevida who is an old political hand and

operative and now with the trump campaign will be coming into the rnc. he is saying we're not going to use rnc money while at the same time trump's daughter-in-law is like well, you know,. >> can we just put a plug in stupid here? people need to understand how this works. when donald trump calls chris or his daughter-in-law, or watley and says i got a bill. take care of it. the rnc is going to take care of it. they did in the past. and they will in the future. so all you donors out there, when you write your check, know where your money is going. your money is going to pay his legal bills and you are not going to be paying on the ground operations inside your state. in and you are not going to be paying for candidate support who sorely need and it you are not going to be paying for efforts to take the senate or to hold the house. you are going to be paying for donald trump's present and future legal bills. so when you look at that aspect

of it beyond just the cash issue, how does that weaken the overall infrastructure? just all of it not just the money part, but the political pieces that are attendant to that. weaken the efforts of the party. because i don't think people really understand, marc, the connective tissue when you have money diverted from the storehouse like an rnc who then disburses those dollars autoacross the country at least that's what i did. the rest of y'all i don't know what you are doing with the money. but i put the money on the street in places like wisconsin which is how we won the state and other places around the country. help us understand both the legal connection but also the political connection for the success that the party's trying to create. when you are diverting the cash to something else. >> yeah, look. i mean, i'm -- i'm with, you know, jamie harrison on this. i hope they suspend all of it.

i mean, i like -- i hope, you know, hey, watley if you are listening, number one, spend it all on trump's legal bills like every last time empty the coffers and then number two you have some terrible lawyers. >> this is -- this is if you want to speak directly -- [ laughter ] >> watley, spend it all on trump. on his legal bills. please. but you are exactly right, michael. look, here's the deal. the -- the national political parties -- i represented as you mentioned in the past i represented the dnc for many years and been the general counsel of the dccc and two other national party committees and what people don't understand is there is not one republican committee. called the r nc. there are three national party committees and then there are 50 state -- 50 state party committees, seven territories. and the district of columbia. party committees. they are all interconnected. and when you divert money at the rnc, you are not just sort

of affecting the budget of the rnc. you are affecting money that would be going to the wisconsin republican party. >> that's it. >> to the -- to the -- >> michigan. >> wash shaw county party. because the money typically flows from the top down and those folks are building program assuming the checks are coming. right? you can't -- if you are trying to build a canvas program at the local level, you cannot start, you know, on -- on october 1st. right? you start this now. assuming that the money is going to come from the rnc and the other thing people need to understand about national parties is they don't run surpluses at the end of election cycles. >> no, the money is gone honey. >> it's a zero sum game. if the money is going for donald trump's legal bills which michael watley every last time give to donald trump's legal bills but if it's going there it's not going to knock on doors and not going to mail or television ads and not going

to recruit volunteers and god willing not going to your voter suppression lawsuits. so every dime is donald trump. >> i want to give ronna mcdaniel just a moment and i don't want to gloss over. because she said something -- >> i sent flowers. >> she said a lot of things. >> i did. >> neither did i. >> see a photo of that bouquet. she said something in the good- bye remarks that i think is worth a listen. >> here's the thing -- i worry about the most is something we can control. which is our internal -- cohesion. we want to make sure that we're united as we head into this next election. seven years ago i talked a lot about unity. i talk about it all the time. you guys hear me. we cannot win if we're divided. we can only win through

addition, we cannot win through subtraction which is why i worked diligently to expand our tent. there are people who are more entente tacking other republicans. >> talking about internal cohesion but later in the speech she talks about donald trump when donald trump is the one trying to cast people out of the republican party for not being election deniers and not being maga enough. >> the notion they are doing this because they want to add people to the party is crazy. i mean the republican party understands that it has an existential crisis of losing popular support. it doesn't win popular vote elections anymore. you know it has to rely on the -- on electoral college and on the senate only you know, being decided by states. and gerrymandering. it has to rely on the antidemocratic tools in order to win elections and when those ran out as they are, it has to increasingly rely on voter suppression and election suppression and make it harder to vote and easier to cheat. let's be clear. mcdaniel is out of the job because donald trump wanted someone who is a better vote

suppressor and more aggressive election denier and that's the reason why they -- ditched mcdaniel and went to michael watley. >> here i was thinking it was all about fundraising like donald trump said. marc elias as always, thank you sir so much. all right, president biden and his cabinet. they are hitting the road taking his re-election message to critical swing states. the leader of the united auto workers one of the biden's biggest endorsers is here to talk about it in just a few minutes. you're watching "the weekend." ! starting a business is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant... that's a different story. i couldn't slow down. we were starting a business from the ground up. people were showing up left and right. and so did our business needs the chase ink card made it easy. when you go for something big like this, your kids see that. and they believe they can do the same. earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase with the chase ink business unlimited card. make more of what's yours.

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disavow and -- and break apart the very foundations of a once proud party based on the principles and ideas of lincoln. and eisenhower and reagan. and bush. you don't create, you know, this -- this space for unity when you allow authoritarian white nationalism ill liberal behavior to overwhelm and consume the very foundations of your party. so y'all need to check the unity conversation amongst yourselves first before you bring it to others. because that's where the disunity is. it's not -- it's not with me. i was doing just fine. till your behind showed up with -- >> see? it was elevated and then -- >> i was doing just fine. we were -- i was winning elections. right? what did you do? i mean -- you know, we made a public policy case on obamacare. right? we made a public policy case on

foreign policy. we have not been making any public policy cases on anything. we've just been show boating. and you allowed marjorie taylor greene to show up in the house and disrespect your own house and wear the republican brand by wearing some dumb behind cap on her head? come on folks, let's be real about what it is and what it isn't and what it isn't is what the stuff that myself and a lot of others have been fighting for. look, i'm at a table with people that i would love to engage on public policy about. but we talking about your dumb stupid stuff right? this is the reality that put us in. so unity is a two way street. y'all need to work on your end of the block because it's messed up as hell. >> michael steele, just say you know? you know what, i have two older brothers and a younger sister and my daddy would line us up when we got in trouble and give us a speech you know, my mother would whoop us and every now and then he would but he just

gave us words. you just gave them that verbal molly -- >> it's important to understand, folks, i mean you know, a lot of -- everybody is talking about the nikki haley voters. those are republicans who are mad at the situation we find ourselves in. i mean, it's not -- it's not a faction of republicans. it's like republicans trying to, you know, go and engage against the biden administration on big ideas and a direction of the country. but we can't because we have marjorie taylor greene wearing a dumb hat and looking silly and everybody applauding that and donald trump hanging without an authoritarian acting like you know, you know, that's his new boo pile and the rest of us sitting here going, can we do something other than this? and you have shown you can't. you can't do anything other than this. because you don't know how. and -- everybody's doing right now is lining up. when can i endorse trump? you all do that. the rest of us just defeat him. that's all.

>> if i had edges they would be snatched. >> we'll work on unity after we sat trump's behind down. we can't get it done as long as he's in the room. >> oh jesus it's hot. after the break y'all -- >> i'm going to have another cup of coffee. check back with y'all in a moment. >> we're going to be joined at the table by someone who frankly brings this same kind of energy. the president of the united auto workers shawn fain attended the do you know as a state of the union as a guest of first lady jill biden. he's got something to say. you are watching "the weekend." here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now.

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and joining us now is united auto workers president shawn fain. welcome to the table, my friend. good to have you -- having the conversation this morning. >> thank you. appreciate you having me. yeah. >> we're so happy to have you here, there's been a reticence of the part of uaw to endorse president biden. i'm curious what you can tell me about the conversation you had with him that helped you come around on that. >> well, it was not so much the conversation. it's really the actions and that was one thing we made clear when we took over -- when i took over as president that our endorsements were going to be earned. no longer just freely given and not just a party affiliation. they were going to be earned by the candidates so you know, there was some disappointment up front when i took over. i think people expected us just to make an endorsement right away. but -- to me, there was work to be done. we had a -- ev battery transition in industry in transition -- >> electric vehicles. >> so workers weren't left behind. and then you know obviously we had the contract campaign a lot

of work coming up with the big three fight. and so -- you know, we had lot of conversations throughout. but at the end of the day, you know, when we made this decision we had to look at -- this was a simple decision for us because when we put both candidates side by side and then our big three campaign you know, we -- we used facts. you know, the fact that corporations have made quarter trillion dollars and workers were being left behind. the facts that ceos raised their pay 40% over four years while workers were going backwards. and so when we looked at the presidential endorsement we did the same thing. we put two candidates side by side. and we used facts. and the facts tell a very -- telling picture for working class people. and for our members in general. if go back to the recession, you know, '08, '08. donald trump blamed the auto workers for what was wrong with the companies. joe biden bet on the american worker and give us a path forward. if go to 2015 when trump was a candidate for president. he talked about doing a ration of our jobs in this country.

rotating our good paying jobs in the midwest and have us begging for our jobs back at lower pay and driving in a race to the bottom. and you had in '19 when trump was president, gm was on strike for 40 days. what did donald trump say or do to support the workers then? zero. lordstown assembly plant was slated for closure in ohio in 19 when trump was president. he did nothing. joe biden when he was president, you know, we were on strike in 2023. for the first time in our history the sitting president joined the picket line. belvedere assembly plant in illinois. same as loadstown in ohio. was closed. joe biden engaged us and went to work for us to bring that and revive that company. and we have two plants going in there now. so when you compare those things, when you look at the president talking about working class people, when you look at him talking about not cutting social security, not cutting medicare, donald trump, every year of his presidency pushed

for cuts to medicare and social security. when you look at all those things, it draws a very distinct picture. joe biden has a history of serving people and standing with working class people. and donald trump has a history of serving himself. and standing for the billionaire class. >> president f ain as you were talking it just really strikes me that we sit around tables like this all the time. sometimes they're a little bigger and people talk about what's not breaking through and what the american people can and cannot feel and how the administration needs to sell or not sell their policies but you just said that like working class people in the country, union workers, members of the united auto workers, they have been listening for a very long time. >> you bet. i mean, you know, and -- to me, we just have to focus on facts. this is the problem. you know, as i say, this often, trump a con man. he likes to tell people what they want to hear. and he'll say anything to get a result that he wants. but at the end of the day we have to look at facts.

and the facts are very clear. if we look at the -- this isn't my opinions. what i just said to you all. that has -- these men -- >> the statements. >> in their own words and their own actions, so to me, we have to get working class people focused on reality. and facts. >> that's -- let's open that up a little bit because i know there's a number of important pushes that you want to make in your leadership. and one of them being which -- some are characterizing as a big gamble by labor to unionize every autoplant going forward. i want to talk a little bit about that. but the other aspect of theendorsement piece. i have heard a number of folks say well, that's just leadership. the rank and file are going to with trump and the rank and file are going to go opposite of the leadership. is that really how these things played themselves out? or is -- or is there -- obviously people get to make their own choices in the voting

booth and endorsed by the union as a whole is one thing and what the rank and file do maybe something different. but you do have you know, almost sort of a competition against interests if you will in the light of the union to reach that every working american in an auto plant has the same kind of, you know, level up representation. that's going to resonate with -- the rank and file more so than an endorsement piece. >> yeah. yeah. so -- you know, look, when we make our endorsements let me make this clear, we're not telling our members who they're going to vote for. i mean we're tell -- we're taking facts and taking the body of work and giving it -- telling the members look, we look at these things, this is the person that we believe is going to represent our interests the best and represent working class interests the best and yes there are going to be members in our unit that are going to vote for trump. that's going to happen. but i will tell you -- without a doubt, the majority of big majority of the members will

support president biden. and i believe, you know, as was -- a testament in our big three strike, our big three contract campaign, you know, 75% of americans supported us in that fight. and i believe there's a reason why. because those are issues that matter to all americans regardless if you are union or not. these are the issues that matter and so -- and when you look at who represents those issues, and it's very clear, joe biden stands more -- his vision and his life of serving is more aligned with those issues than donald trump's. so yes, there are going to be members that vote for trump but by far it will not be even close do a majority. >> talk just a little bit about electric vehicles and sort of the tension between wanting to get to a place where there are more electric vehicles on the road. but also needing the infrastructure in place. sew that you can actually pull that off. i mean, were there assurances that you received from the president to make sure that your goals could actually align when it came to evs? >> i mean, yeah, so look when i

took over as president, to me, the -- ev industry was you know, it was driving a race to the bottom. that's just where it was. there were -- we had workers in ohio that was one of the first battery plants open and they were starting out at $16.50 an hour and after seven years, we're going to top out at $20 an hour. it's poverty wages. and so -- you know, our -- our mission was to turn that around and bring it up to our standards. you know, so wherever this industry goes we want it to be at a living standard. and you know w good paying jobs so it has to be just transition. and so so but yes, there's a lot of work to be done. so we communicated that from day one with the white house, look, you know, the u aw always stood for a clean environment. and you go back 54 years ago in 1970, our president at that time was speaking about the combustible enjoin and how it

was poisoning the environment. this isn't new. but naturally our concern is in this transition we have to do it the right way. the infrastructure needs to be in place and people aren't going to embrace it until that infrastructure is there because let's face it. if you are going on the vacation and travel 1,000-miles with the did you are not going to want to stop and spend seven hours charging the vehicle. you want -- you can pull in the gas station and five minutes you are back on the road. so there are things to be worked out there and we have communicated that a lot and the white house worked very well with us in that. and they've listened to us. and you know we worked the department of energy and still loot of conversation ongoing. but you know, we're not going to run from it. we have to embrace it and we have to make sure that whatever the transition looks like, that working class people aren't left behind. >> shawn fain, united auto workers president. will you let us know when you are in town. >> thank you. after the break, wisconsin -- joins the table ahead of the president's visit to the state this coming week.

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( ♪ ♪ ) start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. riding on the state of the union momentum president biden and cabinet members are scattering across the country bringing president biden's message from the capitol to communities like yours. the president was in pennsylvania yesterday for his first speech after the address and will travel to georgia. new hampshire, michigan and wisconsin all within the next five days. joining us now democratic congresswoman gwen moore of wisconsin. welcome. >> all right congresswoman. >> you in the house this

morning. >> yes. okay. now -- >> okay. >> the streets -- the streets would like to know, we want to talk about the president coming to wisconsin and all the things but you were at the state of the union. okay? and when the president was coming down the aisle, you had your phone out and you had the photos and he was talking to you. but marjorie taylor greene was also next to you. what was going on in the moment? you were lit -- tell us, what was the conversation? because we couldn't hear and i texted you okay? on the floor like -- well, ma'am, what did she say? tell us, we need to know. >> first of all, those are coveted seats right there on the aisle. as you know you see the usual suspects sitting on the aisle. and you have never seen gwen moore in 19 years sitting on the aisle. so i came in late. you know, as usual. and the ushers were saying you can't sit here like -- four rows from the back. because the senator -- this is a senator's seat. wait a minute. so i kind of got into it with the ushers. and so one of my colleagues not to be named said, oh, i got

this perfect seat for you right over here. [ laughter ] nobody wanted to sit next to -- mtg. i said to myself because she's messed with me the first day of the 117th congress. the very first day she messed with me. you know, accusing me of spreading covid. and so on and so forth. and you know, so i just said gwen, you know, you don't want to stand up for two and a half hours. as i pointed out to her, joe biden is long winded. so i knew i was going to be there for a minute. so you don't have to say anything to her gwen, remember your ethics training and you don't have to agree with people and i thought i would just ignore her but i couldn't you know. i was fact checking her in realtime. >> there you go. >> sitting next to her? >> sitting next to her. >> oh, wow. >> and respond to some of the things she said quietly and to

some of her outbursts. and really -- she is a human being. i was trying to draw -- bring out some empathy. and to see if she had any. >> humanity. yeah. >> you know. and to recognize that, you know, instead of spending all of our time, you know, being surprised and shocked at donald trump having these supporters to try to listen to them, when -- when the president, for example, this is a really good example. when he talked about betty may fikes who i have met on the march to selma. to the -- edmund pettus bridge when he talked about her being there and voting rights and john lewis. she said, 1965? she was really truly surprised. i think. nobody is having their you -- being prevented from voting. now, that was 1965. i said no girl. they tried to take my vote from

me because i voted and used a drop box. in the last election. and as a matter of fact, the election you know, fake elector scheme. >> come on. wisconsin. >> in wisconsin. >> well. >> so i -- pointed that out to her. i said yes they tried to steal my vote and that actually happened. another example. she was muttering about how she shuttered businesses and so forth during covid. i said girl, well, covid was a real thing. my eldest son almost died from covid and was in the hospital on the ventilator. for a week. >> so who knew during the state of the union that the members were, you know, there was -- it's like member diplomacy happening during the state of the union. >> you speak to that point, congresswoman. about member diplomacy. that it -- that at this point, t requires a lot diplomacy for democracy centered folks who are trying to avoid the

extremism and trying to -- reimagine the conversation americans are having. and you just gave us some very illustrative examples of the importance of that. fact checking realtime. but here's the -- here's the interesting part for me. those being fact checked don't want to be fact checked. they want to live in the land of ignorance because it furthers a political agenda that they think they benefit from. how have you found the house given how it's been run in recent times? not just changed over the years. because we can document that. but how do you -- how does that -- a reflection of what's actually going on out in the country? do these people really represent people who think and believe, you know, like a marjorie taylor greene? when in fact we know that's a lie. that's not what was happening.

how to cut through that conversation and did that state of the union kind of set that conversation up for this political season? the way joe biden sort of one- on-one with some of the members and who wanted to come at him and just kind of say okay. let's -- let's do this. you want to engage? let's engage. >> well, you know, i mean, it's really important. you know, because i think -- you know, while we try to present the most lofty view of things, it's really important to acknowledge people's feelings. on how they feel. but we had a conversation about taxes and everything and to really acknowledge that, so when i think about people in public for example. you know, joe biden didn't forgive the student loans he said. i'm still hurting. you have to acknowledge people. look, we get that the inflation that we experienced is kind of a -- you know, a -- there's a

lag, a lagging indicator of how well things are doing. but i want to point out to people, you know, when i buy my full dozen eggs from my three great grandchildren and my great nephew. you see these eggs are cheaper than they were and everybody, those 295,000 jobs a day that were created you know, i'm going to make people admit that they know somebody. a black male that now has a job that didn't have one. they know a disabled person who now has a job that didn't have. a person -- i mean i think we have to point out, i get it. that the rent is too high. but when we say -- inflation is coming down, that there's a course correction coming. we just want you to believe it. >> well, well, hopefully it's something we hear when the president is in milwaukee soon on this tour. i know we going see you on the tarmac and at the events. congresswoman gwen moore, we

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