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there are a lot of words you might expect a president to say over and over in the state of the yeun job address. words like jobs, freedom, or if it is a joe biden speech, folks. the president last night chose a different word to be the theme of his remarks. he chose the word predecessor. >> a former republican president tells putin, "do whatever the hell you want." my predecessor came off as they overturned. he's the reason why they were overturned and he brags about it. my predecessor failed the most presidential duty that he owes to the american people. the duty to care. i think that is unforgivable. they told the nra that he's
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proud he did nothing when he was president. many in this chamber want to take those prescription drugs away by repealing affordable care act. i'm not going to let that happen. and we stopped you 50 times before and we will stop you again. >> biden did not utter donald trump's name once during that speech. but he referred to his predecessor more than a dozen times. that was just one of the ways that an animated and according to near levosin l newspaper headline today, a feisty joe biden. used his state of the union to kick off this year's general election to kill the narrative that biden is too old and he's not up to the job. today they were hot out of the gates with plans for barn storming, moving the troops to
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the battle front. many, many plans. the president kicked off the campaign blitz with a rally in pennsylvania, where he and the first lady stopped to eat pizza. and on the issue of abortion. >> the maga republicans of donald trump want to pass a national ban on the right to choose period. those bragging about overturning roe v. wade have no clue about the power of women in america. no clue. they found out as they were on the ballot in 2022 and 2023, and they will find out again in 2024. >> reporter: president biden will follow up that speech with another campaign stop tomorrow in atlanta before heading up to new hampshire for another appearance on monday and then on
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to michigan for another event on thursday. that michigan stop will be the first test of the biden coalition in that state since 100,000 democratic primary voters picked uncommitted to signal their opposition to their position in the war in gaza. but that is not all. at the same time the biden campaign is dispatching an army of surrogates to various swing states. vice president kamala harris is in phoenix tonight for an event on reproductive rights. tomorrow, she'll head to las vegas on events focused on latino voters. cabinet officials will be fanning out across the swing states. agriculture secretary is headed to arizona. transportation secretary pete buttigieg is going to philly. and energy secretary jennifer granholm is making stops in ohio and wisconsin and michigan. biden's most aggressive next steps are ones that can be best measured in dollars and cents. now the biden team has already been running ads, targeting voters of colors like ads that
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will promote the administration's support for historically black colleges. but the washington post reports today that the president is planning to launch a new $30 million ad campaign with ads on tv and radio and digital platforms running across eight battleground states. some of those ads are designed specifically to target those key parts of the democratic coalition including black, latino, and asian voters. they also report that the biden campaign plans to hire at least 350 new staffers across those key battleground states. that is more than triple the number of staffers currently employed on the biden campaign. so the surrogates are fanning out. the field teams are stacking up their clipboards, getting ready to knock on doors, and the digital team is pacing laser eyes on everything they can. and the biden campaign appears to be deploying every resource at its disposal to stop donald trump from becoming president
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ever again. joining me now is jen palmierri and the cohost of the msnbc podcast, how to win 2024, and also michelle goldburg, an opinion columnist for the new york times. great to see you again. >> we have never been on together. i'm excited. >> history being made this friday night. jen, let me first start with you. i think it feels like a very possible moment for the biden campaign, you know. >> some possibility in that speech. there was a lot of progress last night, and we feel there's a new sense of possibility. >> i mean does the reset truly feel like something within biden's grasp right now? >> yes. i was feeling pretty good on tuesday. because when you come out of the primary season, you're like okay, biden has a ton of money, trump is, you know, in the negative territory because of
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all of his legal problems. i was in detroit last friday, the republican convention was canceled because there were fistfights breaking out, right? look, you know, they don't have -- and when we came out of the primary season, it there is the uncommitted vote, but it was an uncommitted vote. it wasn't a let's vote for dean phillips, it wasn't the minnesota uncommitted team was clear to say donald trump is a threat, you know, we don't want to do anything to make them be president. so there really isn't a lot of anti-biden energy to actually act on in the party. >> at least it is moderated to be realistic perhaps. >> it is moderated by the threat. trump is getting 93% of his voters. biden is getting 83% of his voters. and that means biden has room to grow and trump is sort of tapping out. >> right. so i feel like then he had a great speech, so we all saw it is not just that he could do the job well. he could speak about it well too. that just gives us reassurance. they have money, they are spending it, deploying it. you're like oh, right.
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we're going to have the biden-trump fight we thought we would have a year ago. not the biden-trump fight we had the last few weeks. >> so you slept easy last night? >> no because the katie britt thing. >> haunted your dreams? >> i couldn't puzzle out what was so disturbing about it. and i slept half an hour. it was brutal. >> apologies on behalf of the news media that aired it. michelle, i feel like the republicans made a grave miscalculation last night by trying to kind of like bait biden into stumbling. i don't know what, but he seemed to relish the combat. i want to play a little sound that sort of exemplifies the fighting irish. >> the bipartisan group of senators, the result was a bipartisan bill with the toughest set of border security forms we've ever seen. oh you don't think so? oh, you don't like that bill,
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huh? conservatives got together and said it was a good bill? i'll be darn, that's amazing. >> oh, you don't like that bill? oh really? then let's pass it. i thought that stuff just strengthened biden's hand. >> we sort of knew that biden, i'm someone who is often extremely anxious about the biden campaign. i mean, you know, cold sweat, terrifying sleepless nights. >> without katie britt's response. >> even without katie britt's response. but listen, we knew, we saw this last year, right? last year biden had these great moments when he was carrying republicans, kind of coming out on top, showing command of the room. so it's not quite clear why republicans thought it would go differently for them this time unless they have really talked themselves into believing their own propaganda that he really is sort of a walking corpse, right? >> they might have. >> i think that's right. so they ended up just looking,
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you know, kind of caught off guard. and also sort of -- >> well, with james langford silently mouthing it's true, it's true. that's the lead republican negotiator on the bill that his party is booing. i mean unbelievable. >> right, then you have a bunch of people in ridiculous costumes. marjorie taylor greene, troy nells. they looked -- >> clowns? >> yeah, clowns is another good one. >> clowns is an alex wagner word tonight. but i do think, jen, it's a virtue cycle. the stronger he is today, the stronger he gets on the campaign trail. that wasn't the state of the union, but it was biden on the campaign trail. >> yes, you see that he just feels like he probably has a lot of self-confidence coming out of it last night. it doesn't mean that he won't make mistakes, and he even made
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mistakes last night. but i think that i don't even know that we should expect to see polls improve out of this speech. i mean i know the president very much wants that. there is something going on in the world right now. ratings are just very low in general. i don't know if that will really change. it doesn't mean he could get reelected. people are getting reelected with low favorability ratings, but oh, he's actually fine. just like he was as good, probably better last night than he was a year ago, and that we have faith that the guy that is doing that in march is going to be an effective candidate all the way through november. >> i also think they will have a core structural advantage, michelle. the party isn't about the individual, but about the agenda. i mean that's what you see in these off-year elections. we can set aside how that might influence things. but it is not a call to personality the way wright is. but they care about reproductive rights and the institutional freedoms and a host of other things that really have nothing
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to do with the guy in charge except for the fact that he's the one implementing them. >> right. and i think that cuts both ways, right? because you don't have this incredibly impassioned cult like following that will turnout for donald trump. not the majority certainly, but a solid core. you don't have that in the same way. and i do think that there is some way to energy that you need energy in a campaign to drag along uncommitted. not even uncommitted voters, but occasional voters. voters who were not necessarily plugged in. as much as a sense of excitement and momentum, it really helps. i remember the obama campaign that people felt kind of passionately committed to this man really helped. you know this time, i think you're going to have to substitute a passionate commitment to issues. it is why they have made abortion even though joe biden doesn't want to say the word abortion, but it is why abortion
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and reproductive rights are so front and center in this campaign. we've seen that is something people will turn out for over and over again. >> i think that is also the point of the surrogates, right? i do think they have to get the message out that this is the biden campaign is bigger than biden. if he has effective surrogates, i don't know, tom vilsack in arizona, no disrespect. >> he got a big shoutout, tom vilsack. >> well, that's what we do on this program. the idea the biden campaign is really enlisting in earnest messengers seems like an important development. one would hope and assume that will extend beyond the cabinet secretary? >> yes, i have never seen a party united. they feel very passionately about wanting a permanent cease-fire in gaza. what did she do last night? she held up a small sign to protest. we all understand what the stakes are even as we're
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concerned about individual issues. i think the party is united. there is a very effective cabinet that is well known because a lot of them ran for president themselves in democratic circles. phenomenal governors that, you know, we won tough races in georgia, nevada, arizona, i was making wisconsin and michigan one word. both of those states, and pennsylvania. we won tough races there in 2022. they are fresh from battle. they are ready to go back in again. so that is all. it was the same in 2020, right? it was a big tent. but i do feel proud of him from last night, his performance last night. not just because he got through it so well and he was combative. we were laughing about that earlier. but it was like he was president biden. and he had stepped out from the shadow of the man he worked for, right? and he stepped out of the shadow of the man of trump.
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and he wants to stop the slide to bring it back. only he has the experience to be the free leader of the world in this difficult time because he's been doing it for 50 years. and you know. >> when you have a gandhi reference in your back pocket, you've been on this stage for a long time. >> so it is so hard with what he inherited and went through. now you're like oh, there he is. like president joe biden with a real theory of how to govern and a real vision of america. and optimistic at a time when even young people will find it hard to be and an older person who has seen it come back from worse can make you feel optimistic too. >> all right, perhaps you will sleep better tonight, my friends. >> i think so. >> certain bad things are in the rear view. and my friends, let's do it again some time
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soon. it is great to have you on the show. we have a lot to get to this evening as donald trump will make over the republican party, installing the personal picks to the party leadership including his daughter-in-law. what happens now? that's next. and later fan boy meets strong man. we will talk about the right wing thing for those coming up.
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the no's. that was mcdaniel's final act as chair of the republican national committee. what might technically be considered election fraud. not even ask for the no's. mcdaniels officially stepped down today at the rnc spring meeting after she was boxed out in donald trump because she refused to fully embrace the big lie. the man replacing her is michael watley, a passionate election denier. while trump's daughter-in-law, lara trump, was named rnc cochair. other than being a trump, lara trump's qualification for the role appears to be this. >> god does not call the qualified. he qualifies the called. lord, trump is the embodiment of this truth. >> now that the trump takeover is complete, the rnc apparently intends to allocate its resources to words election denialism. >> we are going to make sure that every single penny of every
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dollar raised goes towards one goal, which is winning. how do we do that? we have to have election integrity like we've never seen before. >> we have hired in place election integrity directors in battleground states who were already recruiting and training tens of thousands of volunteers to serve as poll judges, workers, observers, who will act as real-time monitors whenever votes are being cast and counted. and we will do more. >> joining me now is the chair of the democratic national committee, jamie harrison. chairman, it is great to see you. i'm sure you have a lot of thoughts about the rnc at this moment, but i do want to start with the idea that their winning strategy as announced today is by hiring a core of election integrity poll watchers. what does that tell you about how republicans think they can win the 2024 election? >> well maybe they should use those poll watchers to watch their bank account because what
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lara said earlier, they were going to use all the money to help donald trump on his lawsuits. it really is shameful that right now the heads of the rnc is an election denier and a grifting ininform law. that is exactly what they have right now. so they can use their resources all they want on those issues. they can use that credit line that they just got because they're broke right now. but the bottom line is this, joe biden's speech was so good last night that it set records in terms of our fundraising at the dnc and in the campaign. you know, as they say he ate last night and left no crumbs. it was a master class in terms of strength, in terms of moving this country forward and protecting our freedoms. and so, you know, we are really ready at the dnc to make sure we help make the contrast between the hope that joe biden brings and the chaos that we see coming
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from the republican side. i mean you think about this. we are months away from this major presidential election, and they just got rid of their chair to bring two unqualified people to lead their party. so kudos for them. go girl go, do your thing. spend all that money on those lawsuits. because the dnc, we're going to be working on supporting the largest voter protection program that we've had. making sure our state parties are well funded. making sure we have boots on the ground, so we can do the voter education, the voter registration, the vote of mobilization, and to protect those voters once they cast their ballots. >> yeah, i do want to talk about the legal bills in a second. i mean i'm sort of shocked by the fact that they are effectively announcing that the strategy here is investing in sort of grassroots efforts or, you know, whatever it might be.
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but rather poll watchers. in previous years in some ways has been a place holder for voter intimidation. as the chair of the dnc, does that worry you at all that the rnc is investing so heavily at individuals that might try to dissuade people? >> for years now, alex, we have been investing because we know the dirty tricks that the republican party plays. the last election, they didn't have a platform. so they weren't running on policy. the only thing that they could run on is fear. it is fear and intimidation. making people scared about voting, and then once they get to the polls, trying to scare them there. that is why we built the biggest voter protection program that we have ever had at the dnc, and we didn't start this year. this is something that we have been doing for the past few years. we are going to continue to build on that. at the same time, we are still organizing. we are still educating our voters, still making sure they have everything that they possibly need when they get to those polls, and we are going
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to, you know, buckle up. i know they are going to spend their money on lawsuits to save donald trump, but we are also saving our resources because if we have to take them to court to make sure that every american can cast their ballot and to do so, then we will do just that. but we are ready for them because we understand it. this election is so important. this is about protecting the freedom of all americans. democrats, republicans, independence, everything in between. >> you mentioned the legal bills. i should say our own von hilliard from nbc is set to take over. he says the rnc will not use party funds to cover trump related legal expenses. lacivita said in south carolina. and then asked to clarify, he
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responded, f-ing no. they seem sure that they won't use those funds to cover the legal bills. but setting that aside, again, astounding to me is that rnc members are on the record saying yeah, we would like to use the rnc coffers to pay for donald trump's lawyers. what does that tell you about the health of the republican party that it is so invested in one wealthy's man's fortunes? >> lara trump has said she was intending to do just that and that was fine because the voters would be okay with that. again, it is chaos. you look at republicans at the rnc and chaos, and you get them in the house of representatives. it is chaos. the republican party is about chaos. they are not about progress. you know, joe biden gets up every single day thinking about
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how they could improve on the quality of life of all of america's people. donald trump and his maga republican party, either in the house or the rnc. it is all about payback and retribution and revenge. that is not moving the ball forward. that is not improving the quality of life for the people in this country. so that is the contrast that we have in this election, and that is why they will prevail in november. >> and all i've got to say is if i were a ballot republican and i heard that the party organization was going to use its money to fund poll watchers or pay for donald trump's legal bills, i might be thinking about joining the dnc. the chair of the d nc, jaime harrison, thank you for coming on in. thanks for your time tonight. great to see you, jaime. >> thank you, thank you, alex. still to come tonight, strong man meets fan boy. right-wing darling of hungary meets his number one stand, donald trump. plus the florida judge
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as is customary, once former president trump officially
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becomes the republican party's presidential nominee this summer, he'll start to receive briefings from intelligence agencies. now this practice was started back in the 1950s by president harry truman to ensure a smooth transition to power, so technically it's business as usual here. but this is the first time that a candidate will receive those briefings while under indictment for mishandling of classified documents. that underscores the importance of getting some resolution in the classified documents case itself. now we still do not know when that trial will actually happen. it has been one week since judge aileen cannon heard arguments on scheduling that trial. special counsel jack smith wants the trial to start in july. while trump's attorneys say the earliest the trials should start is august, although they would prefer never. the ultimate decision here has the potential to create chaos on trump's legal calendar. the later she schedules her trial, the more likely she is to block any january 6 election
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interference trial from going to trial before the election. and now we have learned that next thursday, judge cannon will hear arguments by team trump to dismiss the documents case altogether. david latt joins me now, a columnist at bloomberg law and the host of the original jurisdiction podcast. it's great to see you. welcome to the program. >> thanks for having me, alex. >> so how do you read the tea leafs on the fact that judge cannon is scheduling a hearing on a motion to dismiss before she has set a trial date? is that not a great sign for people who are hoping to see this trial come to fruition? >> well, she has a lot of work to get through. because the trump team has basically filed a kitchen sink of motions to dismiss, so she is kind of handling them the peace mile. but then there are a whole bunch after that. >> do you think the idea that she won't even, i mean, i guess is it a window into the trial
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date that will remain? or should we think this is a matter of housekeeping and before she actually decides that? >> i think she would probably set a trial date in between. again, there are a whole bunch of these motions and a lot of moving parts here. so i think we will get a trial date soon-ish, but once she rules on some of these motions, which would affect the trial date. i don't think these motions are going to get granted although with judge cannon, you can't be sure. >> and let's talk about that because she is accepting briefs, which is a friend of the court briefs, sort of supporter briefs for trump's case as he tries to seek a motion to dismiss. and now i always thought they were like yearbook signatures. like the more you had, the better it was because you would say i have a lot of people on my side. but she said that she thinks that the briefs may be of
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considerable help to her. it is not going out on the limb saying this is a judge that does not have a lot of experience in a case like this. and i'm concerned as i think other people might be that shouldn't be leaning too much. and a motion to dismiss. >> so there are things to worry about here, and that language will come from the rules of the supreme court regarding the briefs. there is not a similar rule for those trial courts where judge cannon is. it's a copy and paste thing and she is basically saying okay, let them in. it's fine. now she might be susceptible to the argument in those briefs, which is that jack smith is not appointed, but i wouldn't read too much to that. >> and you said that you think judge cannon is on thin ice. a lot of talk on whether or not she could be taken off the case entirely. where do you think she stands
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now? >> i don't think they want to remove her because it's something of an extreme measure. and she did get some rulings from the 11th circuit including from the trump appointees twice, and so that was in the pre-indictment of the case when it was a civil case brought by trump and totally bizarre kind of situation. she ruled in favor of him in that wacky way. and that is why i think if she does something else, it is like a three strikes and you're out kind of situation. but again, i don't think that jack smith wants to do that. >> and that would theoretically slow things down? >> yes. i think he's keeping his fingers crossed, but we're also aware of the possibility that yes, judge cannon could go rogue again. >> and i think that there is the whole question of what she could do to the rest of the calendar. let's just start this
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conversation with an opinion you hold, which is a heart one. and talk to me about your view of the chances that the case will go to trial before november? >> i think that will be under 5% really low. of course, we now have this supreme court immunity appeal that is sort of gumming up the situation and will not be decided until june. then we do have some weeks or months of trial prep as the judge who is presiding over the dc case has stated. plus this mar-a-lago documents case could go to trial in july or august, in which case it would bump the dc case. >> is there any way that the mar-a-lago case that judge cannon can schedule for the late summer, block the dc election interference case, and then delay the mar-a-lago case after that? i'm just looking for the worst case possibility and is that possibility? >> yes because they have a lot of discretion and a lot of lee
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ways, and something took longer than expected, ruling on the motions. the classified documents in this case are creating a lot of complexities. what you're outlining could definitely happen. >> oh my gosh, it is friday night. please. okay, we're going to come back to you and perhaps that will change as we get more information. i'm a sucker for optimism. thank you for your time. great to see you. coming up, he's the poses and a great leader. those will be donald trump's words of praise tonight for hungary's autocratic leader, prime minister victor. we will dive deep and what is behind the right wing obsession with strong men. that's next. the farmer's dog is fresh food made with whole meat and veggies. it's not dry food. it's not wet food. it's just real food. it's an idea whose time has come. ♪oh what a good time we will have♪
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what does viktor orban believe? just a few years ago his views would have seemed moderate and conventional. he thinks families are more important than banks. he believes countries need borders. for saying these things out loud, orban has been announced as a destroyer of democracy. so who is freer? who is likely to lose their job? the answer is pretty obvious. if you're an american, it is painful to admit it as we have discovered. with that, here is viktor orban. >> that was tucker carlson reporting live from budapest in 2021. he made the trip to interview
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the country's prime minister, viktor orban, who has govern the hungary since the year of 2010. during his decades in office, orban has made hungary what he calls a moderate of liberal democracies, cracking down on immigration, he has closed the country's borders to asylum seekers, outlawing any display or discussion of lgbtq content to minors in school and in the media and in books. he has curbed the freedom of the press and the independence of the judiciary. he has bent the country's political system to his will indefinitely. and now prime minister orban has become an icon among american conservatives. starting in 2022, the political conference, which you might know better as, they hosted their first annual conference in budapest with a big headliner. viktor orban. in his speech, the prime minister recommended that tucker carlson's fox news
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show 24/7, which is one idea. tucker carlson also spoke at that conference. in 2023, they held a second conference in hungary. this time he stayed home. but unless anyone thinks he had losses or enthusiasm for the democracy, tucker carlson put those concerns to rest. >> greetings to hungary, it is all you americans in the audience. you are very brave. i wish i was there in budapest. if i ever get fired and have some time, i will be there with you. but in the meantime, god speed. we are thinking of you, cheering you on. >> while that message aired in 2023 just a week and a half after tucker carlson was fired from fox news, it was apparently pre-recorded. so true to his word, once he was fired, tucker carlson traveled to hungary later that summer to interview his friend, viktor orban. so it seems hungary is a really popular travel destination for the right wing maga crowd. they cannot get enough of the
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place. and the admiration appears mutual. in 2022, orban not only got to join the main stage of dallas, he was the opening act. >> ladies and gentlemen, this is how we fight. a speech by prime minister of hungary, viktor orban. ♪ [ music ] ♪♪ >> if that sounded more like the music from a ufc cage match than a conservative political action conference, you could be forgiven. but in that speech, he had a lesson for american conservatives on how to import hungarian autocrats. >> i'm a freedom fighter.
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progressive liberals didn't want me to be here because they knew what i would tell you. because i'm here to tell you that we should unite our forces. because we, hungarians, know -- because we hungarians know how to defeat the enemies of freedom on the political battlefield. i'm here to tell you that the nation, the christian routes, and the family can be successful in the political battlefield. perhaps our story can help you keep america great. >> today viktor orban was back in the united states despite the fact he's a sitting world leader. prime minister orban did not go to washington, d.c. or meet from anyone in the white house. instead he went to mar-a-lago. and that pretty much tells you everything you need to know
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about who he is betting on here or at least whose vision most closely aligns with his. and if there is few doubt on whether they felt the same way, well, he cleared that right up tonight. >> and there is nobody that is better, smarter, or a better review than viktor orban. he has been fantastic. he does a great job. and this is the way, he's the boss. and the author of america last, the right century long romance with the foreign
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