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moment. but we can expect as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. wednesday night. good evening once again, i am stephanie live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. we are now 244 days from the election. now that super tuesday is history, biden and trump are set most officially for a rematch after nikki haley dropped out earlier this morning. even though the presumptive republican nominee got rid of his rivals in two months, his victories reveal warning signs for november. trump underperformed his pulling in every state. the new york's times points out his victories masked problems with independence and republicans that voted for biden last time around. my colleague has more on that.

>> it is now up to trump to earn the votes of those in our party and beyond who did not support him and i hope he does that. >> the battle is now on for her backers, urging supporters to join him in opposing trump, writing i know there is a lot we will not agree on but i hope we can find common ground. trump urging her supporters to join the greatest movement in the nation while boasting nikki haley got trounced last night. >> they call it super tuesday for a reason. >> the former president caring 14-15 states overnight, securing landslide victories from maine to california with nikki haley only taking vermont allowing trump to focus on biden. despite her defeat, nikki haley did attract more than a quarter of a vote in many primaries, trump's challenge is nikki haley voters unwilling to shift their support.

>> some videos that does not want to see trump in office, liz cheney. she posted this, the gop has chosen, they will nominate a man who attempted to overturn a election and seize power. we have eight months to save our republic and insured trump is anywhere near the oval office again. he is facing criminal charges related to that attempt and the trial is on hold until the supreme court deals with the claim of immunity from prosecution. it was scheduled for april 22, now it is april 25. with that let's get smarter with the help of the lead off panel. it is a great one packed with superstar women. the senior political correspondent, new host of the new show the weekend and the former spokesperson for vice president harris. amanda carpenter joins us a former senior staffer to senator jim and ted cruz.

first of all simone is here until 2:00 in the morning, she has been on air all day long. we are lucky to have her. i want to start with what the biden campaign cochair said earlier today about nikki haley's voters who are in high demand. >> what we would say to the nikki haley voters is that there is room for you over here, to that third of the republican party that is not sure they want to vote for trump or they do not want to support donald trump, we have a big tent and they are welcome here. >> that is the right message but beyond that, what does the biden campaign have to do? many people especially donors in the nikki haley what will argue biden has become so progressive, he has armed himself with super progressives,

if he wants those voters, what does he need to do? >> let me pull my sleeves up for this one. i feel as though perhaps there are nikki haley voters and then there are donors and they are very different. i think a lot of people are grouping those together, not you and we should separate them for this conversation. the nikki haley donors are not biden people. maybe on the french but for the most part i do not think they are folks willing to give to biden. >> from my reporting, some of the biggest donors nikki haley has could bring grudgingly vote for biden and would admit it but they are not writing a check. they subscribe to this hope that nikki haley represents a george bush era of republican and they are desperate to keep the light on thinking it is not the party of trump.

>> so the nikki haley voters which are people we have seen in some of the great reporting our colleagues have done across the board, in these title ground states and on super tuesday, those folks that said i am not willing to vote for trump but i could potentially cast a ballot for biden i do not know yet. the thing biden can do is work to earn their votes and campaign. i want to be clear, i do not think there should be a overcorrection for the nikki haley voters in expensive base democratic voters, the biden coalition in 2020, i was a senior advisor on that campaign, the coalition we put together in 2020 was base democratic voters was moderate of republicans and independent voters were republicans for biden that we rolled out at the 2020 convention. biden will not get reelected, there is not enough nikki haley voters to account for the drop

off so you have to campaign and keep your coalition together but not over correct. i think we will hear some of that at the state of the union thursday night, they will lean into healthcare which are reporting suggests from the white house, they will lean into talking about who is in the box with the first lady. hopefully we will see that tomorrow morning. >> joe biden's message has been come over, there is room for you in the tent and trump's message was to attack nikki haley. you spent last night at the trump after party. how do you think besides the immediate attack, how do you think the trump team will play this? >> there coming off confident to the press, they think they are actually republicans at the end of the day they will vote top to bottom republican and in a few months they will forget about this. i think a lot of the primary voters came out to send a message. they were going out in the

primary which a lot of voters do not do but they were doing in protest to trump in the same way the uncommitted's were protesting biden. the message is we do not like this vision of the gop but i do not know if they will necessarily go with trump. even if you look at the polling more than 50% say the will vote for trump even though they voted for nikki haley and 12% still do not know what they are doing. this is all anecdotal early polling, we still do not know for a fact but more than half are saying they are still republicans and are more likely to vote for trump then biden and 12% still do not know what they are going to do. this is also a small margin. these are primary voters and not a lot of people vote in primaries. >> anecdotal early polling, amanda, let's blow our nose with the polls, state after state what is the take away?

trump is underperforming so either the polling is broken or he lost his mojo. >> i think he is losing voters every day but i want to rewind the tape on the conversation you are having, in terms of how biden appeals to the voters which are super valuable they are the majority makers in swing states, they are a unique coalition of never trump republicans, moderates and democrats that show up to stop trump. it is a amazing coalition and it is something i am interested in. that is the kind of coalition that is my organization, we are cross partisan, i used to work with ted cruz and i worked for staffers that worked for elizabeth warren and obama justice department lawyers and people that work on pro-life, the way we stay together as a organization is a model for this. we do this not by saying okay we are all on biden's team now,

we stay focused on big values. when the obama campaign says how do we get people in our tent, that is the wrong approach. you just say listen, we are going to disagree on some things but i will create a space, i will keep our country a place where it is safe to disagree and we can resolve our disagreements in a clear and peaceful way and we will have safe transfers of power, you should not have to check all of your priors at the door to vote for those things. you do not have to be a democrat in the selection when it is democracy purchase authoritarianism. let people think is nikki haley going to endorse biden? i do not think that is necessary and in a way it is counterproductive. >> can i see one point about that, amanda is pointing to, that speaks to that particular piece of the coalition but it will not be enough to talk about just democracy, everybody

will vote and say, what you are saying amanda, and biden said that today, he put out a statement this morning and basically said, you do not have to agree with me 1000% but can we at least agree on democracy? that was specifically for the nikki haley voters. when it comes to base democratic voters, there is a lot of focus increasingly on things like junk fees, they go directly into the heart of what people deal with every day. the economy is doing well but why is it not showing up in the polling? democratic voters say i do not know about the economy because they are dealing with things like extreme crazy credit card fees, crazy junk fees in different places. so now what you are seeing the campaign and the white house do is say we have done what we can on our own but we will occur on the edges but we need to speak

directly to the heart of some of the issues we're dealing with with corporations and big former and we have to put the pressure on that and that is a more progressive argument but it is something that will speak to the folks, i just need to feel it and there are people that still need to feel it. >> let's talk immigration, it is a flashpoint in this year's election because republicans are pushing it so hard because they have to do with the fact that the economy is significantly stronger than they want people to believe but elon musk recently posted on social media that biden committed treason by secretly flying 320,000 illegal immigrants from latin america to the u.s. he went on to claim they were importing voters, this is not true. there are no secret plates bringing in migrants. this is extraordinary because

this is some of the most ridiculous things the biden demonstration is being hit with. when it comes to immigration, the biden administration barely changed any policies trump had in place and now that they have tightened things up, republicans blocked it and they have gotten so strict that far left progressives are not happy with the president. let's talk about the difficult position he is in on immigration when you factor in local news and the panic. >> it is basically like crime, if 2022 it's about crime visits immigration and often they are coupled together. that is how republicans were able to take back the house through new york and california in 2022. >> in a small way not a big one. >> you have 100,000 migrants in new york, chicago and boston, they are being shipped up from texas and it has become an

issue in these blue cities so it is a issue they have to deal with. republicans know that and that is why they tanked the border bill. it is hard to explain i think, there were real attempts to try to close the border but because of political cynicism and trump told his party to not to vote for a bill that would seal off the border, it has to be repeated over and over again because it is counter to images of people crossing over the border in flux so it is very hard to counter image with sound. that is going to be the challenge of the democratic party, to explain how hard they tried and biden will try through executive order and he will pay his off the progressive base and they are already mad at him about gaza. but i think if you want to get the haley voters he needs to do a lot on immigration.

>> elon musk met with donald trump, trump obviously needs cash now, there is talk about musk potentially backing him, he said no i will not find him, he did not say he wasn't going to give to super pacs, what is your take on this? trump needs a lot of money, he is in a vulnerable position, there are scores of super wealthy people who can easily pay this man and maybe own him if he were in the white house. >> i do not know, elon already gave him twitter, does that count as a donation to the trump campaign? kidding aside i do think twitter is a donation in the way he adopted trump's language, people need to pay specific attention to the words treason and innovation and how they are applied to the immigration debate which yes is a problem but invoking this language has been a steady and

repeated chorus for well over two years now. what the alliance of trump and heritage and all of these people that want to staff the next administration, they want to use these words to justify detaining millions of people potentially in camps at the border and conduct sweeps across the country and launch a war against cartels in mexico, if you look at the language trump is using when he wants to go to war with mexico, i talked to experts, what does that mean? there are cartels that have operations within the u.s., there is a lot of ways this can go. our organization put out a big playbook on this, you can find it online and it goes specifically into how that kind of language is being used to set up this kind of action and people need to laser in on those, people like musk that

use platforms to so easily, in their everyday language, that screens there is a huge problem ahead. >> quickly before we go, mitch mcconnell, who knows exactly the threat trump is has now endorsed him. trump just endorsed his daughter-in-law to be cochair at the rnc, either any roadblocks standing in his way? >> no. the rnc will vote on friday to install a new chair a new cochair and i do believe trump's picks will be those folks. so for the people that want to beat trump, the folks waiting for the legals to take him out were nikki haley to search from behind, i encourage you to vote not for him. >> we will leave it there, i told you guys we are starting strong. when we come back, a look at the economy and what that white house is doing to lower costs for every day consumers and later the state of the union

address is less than 24 hours away. could it be a reset for the white house looking ahead at the general election. the 11th hour is just getting underway on this wednesday night. ednesday night.

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can you turn up the volume for this? president biden is doing what he is the president can do to improve the economy for everyone and he is making a lot of progress. negotiating drug prices, drilling more oil than ever before, those are facts. his latest target, credit card late fees. this week the consumer financial protection bureau announced a cap on the late payments. it would bring it down to eight dollars and save americans more than 10 billion per year. let's discuss, elizabeth,

director at roosevelt ford, a group that advocates for progressive economic policies. the president does not have the ability to wave a magic wand and make the economy better however we have made extraordinary economic strides since the pandemic and we have had a recovery better than any other developed country in the world. let's talk about what the president is doing, things like this crusade against junk fees. >> he already canceled 138 billion worth of student debt, which is 10% of the total. again, he cannot wave a magic wand and stop certain things from happening. i was just interesting the average interest rate is 24%, the bond yield for a tenure note is 4%. >> you already lost us with bond yields, here is the question, you and i both know

what the president has done, how does he communicate it to the american people? i open my bill and great my fees are lower than they have been, how will i know the president did that? >> they need to go out and bang the drum or flood the zone and they have to start now. if you look at the unemployment rate of 4% for 24 months, the longest stretch since the mid- 60s, we have not seen anything like this. minority implement record lows, female implement record highs. china is growing more slowly than we are and wait they have been the juggernaut for the last 30 years so they need to hit this hard from a political perspective. i would do it every day with a wide variety of administration members and not let up. >> let's talk about high grocery prices, that is one

lingering and challenging thing for people that they face every day. what are the president's options here? >> to really back up, if we think about where americans are feeling it, grocery prices are the most salient because most people go to the grocery store at least once a week and they are up more over all about 20% for overall inflation. it is a lot. i feel it, things are expensive. my friends text me that they feel it. one thing that has been super underrated about what this demonstration has done, for the 40 million americans that receive food stamps or snap, those benefits increased by more than double the rate of increase of grocery prices, and i do not think that is not talked enough, i think people do not realize it and to your

point they have to be out there saying it. there is a huge swath of people that do not receive food stamps and for those folks the president is really cracking down on outrageous junk fees at the grocery store and really cracking down on corporate consolidation in the meat industry and last week we found out the administration is suing to block the 25 million merger deal between kroger and albertsons. >> that is what i want to talk about, where the administration is taking action on mergers. >> many people think, when the administration is blocking mergers, that is antibusiness but it is not, it is proconsumer. when you have two airlines that merge, it means less competition. >> less competition means more

pricing power, they can raise fares at will. that is not true in all mergers as you and i know. we have been doing this for a long time. in some instances they do not result in higher prices but when they are consumer facing businesses they do have more pricing power and in the case airlines they can raise fares and in the case of grocery stores they maintain larger than normal profit margins and that is something that would affect consumers and they would feel it at the checkout line. >> what about this, ceos are telling the business roundtable they feel good about the economy but they are worried about regulation. to me that sounds like all of the ceos are discounting we had this great economic recovery and why do they go republican? at the end of the day they do not want walls. regulations are rules and they want to be free to do whatever

they want. >> i think that is right, they are all very happy there costs are coming down and they are able to keep sticker price is high. if we look at the structural issue behind it, we can look back to the trump tax cuts eight years ago that slashed the corporate tax rate and he said it would trickle down to american families and it did not and now the tax incentivizes puppeteering and what the democrats need to be looking at, as some of the corporate tax cuts expire in 2025 we need a tax code that does not just work for wealthy individuals and big corporations but really works for working americans in the middle class. >> we only have a minute left but we need you to explain this, news out to the, the regional bank in new york announced the need for a billion-dollar cash infusion and you have steve swirled into

the story, explain what is happening here and why people need to know. >> new york community bank took over portions of signature bank that failed in march and acquired another bank that had heavy exposure to commercial real estate which is in trouble. >> office buildings are empty and commercial real estate is struggling. >> they are now have entered the arena of some of the largest banks and they have had staggering losses because of their exposure to their two asset classes so as a consequence there is concern even with a billion-dollar infusion they got today that they may not yet be out of the woods and the question always is if a bank that large goes, does it cause other problems in the financial system to which the government will have to respond. it does not seem like that is the case now but that is always the risk. >> elizabeth thank you, always

great to see you ron. when we return, what is at stake for the president at tomorrow's state of the union address. we will break down why it is so critical for his reelection campaign. when the 11th hour continues.

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some republicans want medicare and social security sunset, i am not saying it is the majority. anybody who doubts it, contact

my office, i will give you a copy of the proposal. as we all apparently agree, social security and medicare are off the books now. all right. >> last year biden faced off against republicans during a state of the union address but tomorrow night he could be facing a tougher battle because of course it is a election- year. amid mounting concerns over his age, biden officials want this addressed tomorrow to be a big public reset moment. to discuss we have axioms political reporter and the msnbc political analyst and host of the one-a-day podcast. what is tomorrow have to be a reset? biden has had a extraordinary run of huge accomplishments,

polls have not been good but based on actual performance in the primaries, it is trump who has been underperforming. not biden. what are you expecting? >> i expect biden to keep that same energy you played a second to go because that is what they need to see to reset their opinions on the polling and the concerns about his age or other things they do not know he has delivered for them. i expect biden to spend a lot of time going through the victories, whether it is getting money for investments in infrastructure, fighting to relief student debt despite the court blocking every other measure and i think you will spend time celebrating himself but he has to spend additional time setting his vision for 2024. the reset moment is the reality check that the general election starts tomorrow. in this week alone we have

trump dominating headlines and super tuesday and now biden gets to take the floor. i hope he does not hide from any issues, whether it is gaza or immigration, i expect he will stand up but more than anything as he goes through this, i hope he is able to communicate and engage with the audience. even though the house speaker has asked for the corn, we know who is in his conference and we know they will not be quiet and i expect biden to be fully responsive like he was last year. >> i am so distracted, you have for animals behind you and my favorite, hans nichols, it is like we have a i will, some sort of deer and here you are, be 11 hours favorite draft, hans nichols.

the president will get even more aggressive tomorrow night going after trump. >> i want to stay on the animal montage for the entire segment. as we talked in earlier hours, you will not get to find out who is who in my family, you have a better chance of getting biden's speech ahead of time. on the speech here is what we will get, a feisty president, a president that wants to take it directly to the republican critics. a contrast speech as my colleague is pointing out, there is going to be a lot of partisan moments in here and this is the beginning of the presidential campaign although we can pick any arbitrary date and say it is the beginning of the campaign because we have been living this in some ways since the midterms were really since january 6. it seems like one continuous campaign that

will get slightly more intense. that might be some ring that a fox would say but as you know you are more of a hedgehog in less of a fox. >> he just said i am more of a hedgehog than a fox. let's turn back to wanita. the biden administration is super excited about it and it is a important speech but are they overestimating the impact of the state of the union? i would like to believe the entire country will sit down and focus on the president's words and then the republican words but let's be honest, they will not. >> i feel like we talked about this a little while ago, about the importance of biden leveraging clear moments because they will be clipped and circulated on the internet for weeks. the demonstration will be fanning out across the country reiterating a lot of the things the president will talk about tomorrow night so the playbook will be set as far as where the

repetition will happen on the ground across the country over the next few months. again biden needs to go into tomorrow with a clarity that he knows he has to deliver because any stumble or hesitation any shirking away from the issue has the potential to overtake the entire moment and that is the last thing he and his campaign want. i hope they have been running drills on how to respond to hecklers, i hope they will figure out how to acknowledge the movements and fractures within the democratic base which we have seen with the uncommitted movement, making sure he is not hiding from the issues but addressing them head on and making a appeal that not only appeals to independence or other voters but reassures the democratic base that he is still there guy. >> running drills with hecklers is like having hans on

television. obviously biden wants a big message but he really wants to talk to nikki haley voters but also progressives. the uncommitted voters that are reminding the president do not forget us and our priorities. they are different priorities than the ones that are voting for nikki haley. >> on some levels all speeches and is president is no different , they are broadcasting on different frequencies, different audiences in different lines and that is particularly true with the state of the union for you have line item mentions just for specific constituencies so a lot of constituencies that are important to the president will feel heard and addressed. i think wanita's broader point is one we should all take away from here, the president does have to play error-free for i think a little bit shorter than

it has been in the past but it needs to be error-free because we all know in this environment the president, if he has stumbles minor or major that is what is circulated. so it is a pressure filled moment because there really isn't a lot of margin for error and that way it is not like a television hit because there is a massive margin for error you can say whatever you want especially to a older friend. >> it is great to see you and i sit here and i'm looking at the animals wondering which one you could be, i will's are my favorite animal i am thinking that is your wife. i am great to see you both. when we come back, a disturbing new look at the threat of domestic extremism. we speak to the authors of a new book that says we are more at risk now than at any time

during the civil war. we have that when the 11th hour continues. continues.

so far this season we have talked a lot about immigration and the economy right now voters are most worried about extremism and they should be. according to a reuters poll and here is the issue, there is a new book that dissects all of it.

morning the current trajectory of domestic unrest and potential upheaval presents as great a threat to our country and its values and institutions as any time since the civil war. let's bring in the authors, their new book god's, gun and sedition, far right in america. you have been researching this suspect for more than 40 years. >> 40 years ago this was a movement predicated mostly on hatred and intolerance and was beginning to spawn the first signs of antigovernment extremism but today social media knitted it together, back then it was isolated pockets. social media has connected them together. >> here is what is extraordinary, we talked a lot about christian nationalism, you talk about how christian identity and that movement is tied into the extremism, what

role does religion play? >> religion has played a role throughout the course of the movement, in the 70s and 80s the origins of the modern movement, religion played a major role in individuals like names like reverent, less so today we see a heavy religious element and that is why we lead off with that. >> gun violence is a uniquely america problem, let's talk about how it factors into right- wing extremism. >> just the availability of firearms in the u.s., the u.s. is the most armed country in the world, the next 25 countries in the world do not even equal the u.s. anybody that wants to engage in hate filled violence or attempt to overthrow the government has the means and methods within

their reach. >> this book discusses that the worst-case scenario of division and extremism could result in a civil war. we would like to believe that could never happen here in modern america, are we naove to think that? >> that is certainly a conversation happening among people that work on this issue. we come down on the side that it is unlikely for geographic regions, the opening framing of the book is even if we stay short of civil war, there is a range of violent possibilities up to that in our fear is something akin to what happened in north ireland where you have sustained widespread violence on a national level for competing factions that cripples the country and becomes a lasting legacy. >> well, in modern times, really, it began with the attack in 2012, and then we had the terrible tragedy in

charleston, south carolina in 2014. tree of life synagogue in 2018, packs in power way, california, and el paso, texas. and of course, most recently in buffalo. mass shootings, almost all of them. >> was interesting is, you started working on this project during the pandemic. before january 6th took place. were you surprised that there was an attempt to overturn our election when it happened? people here, they thought this could never happen. are you too thinking, yup, we saw this? >> part of our argument is the january 6th, although a perfect storm, is the result of 40 years of seditious organizing. and key texts and strategies that have emerged, they came perfectly together january 6th as intent, capability, and opportunity all converged. i don't think it was surprising for us.

certainly, the scale was a surprise, and i think certainly the reaction, just recently we've seen language used such as political prisoners, hostages used to describe, that has been a surprise. >> we've seen that from elected officials. you laid out the threat of potential or current right stream extremism, what can be done to combat it realistically? not idealistically. >> we've been spending a lot of time on the hill and we we've met with democratic and republican members of congress. i think in good faith, yes. this is one issue that they're both extremely concerned about, that's the reach and the influence that social media has had. section 230 of the communications decency act which does not hold social media liable for its content. both sides agree that has to be changed. they asked us, how do you change it, and we're not parliamentarians and we're not tech people so we can't answer

that, but there is recognition that there has to be change. >> i said realistically, not idealistically. those lawmakers will put on a great show with those social media ceos, but what they do that night? go out to dinner with their lobbyists and do nothing. congratulations on the book, when we come back, we will get into something a little lighter, making science a whole lot of fun, and a dance video about, of all things, a kangaroo. we're talking about how do we combat extremism? we're going to end on a high note when the 11th hour continues. continues. are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪

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