people out there. he saw the cia as omniscient, and so, when he calculated that they already knew he didn't have the weapons, he just interpreted the accusations as evidence this was all just a game. it was a pretends to overthrow him. his reaction was, well, i'm not gonna play their game. he refused to cooperate. even, in retrospect, in his own interest by the -- if he had cooperated. >> that's all the time we have for today. we'll be back tomorrow, at six a.m. eastern for more morning joe: weekend. for now, keep it tuned right here for msnbc's the weekend. good morning, it is saturday, march 2nd, i'm alicia menendez, here in new york. i'm with symone sanders townsend and -- in washington, d.c.. today, legal calendar chaos as the supreme court strikes out the trump's immunity case, jack smith's team reveals a final

trip of its leave. george conway's gonna join us to break that down. plus, your information secretary pete buttigieg joins us on set with a look at the presidents -- and a government shutdown is just one week away, again. republicans have a leadership problem, again. congressman gregory meeks is here. grab your coffee, settle in, welcome to the weekend. ♪ ♪ ♪ congress has an extra week to get its act together and fund the government. after president biden signed a stopgap measure late yesterday, there is a major challenge to getting a larger funding deal across the finish line. that is republican leadership. house speaker mike johnson is once again drawing the ire of conservatives for his in the biloxi two to go she ate on their behalf. over in the senate, mitch mcconnell's announcement he'll step down as a republican

leader this november was already sparked infighting, as other top leaders jockey to replace him. turning us now to discuss is nbc news congressional correspondent, and the pride of new jersey, julie tsirkin. julie, welcome to the program. >> oh my gosh, the pride of new jersey! [laughter] >> that's what happens, forcing. hi friend. so, julie, i want to start with you. i would love to get into the ins and outs of, you can, out the drama around the vote for extending the budget and all that. but there's a greater drama that's going on on capitol hill, with the announcement of biden, mcconnell. i would like to play for you comments by senator josh hawley, who reacted to mcconnell's stepping down. >> i called on senator mcconnell to step aside for leadership a year and a half ago. so, this is a welcome development. my only question is, why wait so long? it's a long time away, i understand he wants to stay on vessel that. we have a lot of work to do between now and november.

i think we need new leadership now. >> so, instead of kind of working to end the glide of the u, no, former majority leader and someone who's really held the senate together, despite what josh hawley might think, how does all of that back noise, drama, affect the discussions, particularly when you're trying to get something done on ukraine, you're trying to get something done of the nation's budget, are you picking up vibes that this is going to be a crazy town between now and when congress eventually goes home for the summer? >> it's been crazy town to be, clear. it's going to get even crazier and look, leader mcconnell has been the loudest voice in favor of ukraine aid. he's really been the glue keeping the republican party, no matter what you think of him, together, at least in the senate's. when the house really hasn't had effective leadership in months, really, in a year since last january. so, yeah. ukraine aid is going to be

really complicated. you saw that play out in realtime, when mcconnell went to the white house earlier this week, with speaker johnson, with some of the other leaders, and he really ganged up on johnson. he said, you have to pass aid to ukraine. you have to govern. you have to get these things done. certainly, you're going to have voices like josh hawley, rick scott, mike braun, you know, mike lee, you have these so- called breakfast club senators, as we've come to call them, who have really been a thorn in the side of mcconnell's leadership. rick scott catalyst year. that's what happened to mcconnell in years and years. so, yeah. this is not surprising that hawley is making those kind of comments. mcconnell's not gonna go anywhere, though, until november when they elect their new leader. and you know, as much as the breakfast club senators would not like to see it, there are the three johns in the race to replace them, plus, you know, the steve daines, the trump aligned folks, but it's probably not gonna be any of the guys that don't like mcconnell now. it will be challenging, certainly, to get anything done without him in that position. >> i mean, right now you have, that's what's happening in the senate. the senate, i would argue, they

will at least get their act together and do their job, right? can you tell the senate, you gotta pass the bill for the american people, this is what we came here to do. senators are like, okay. we will do that. the house, particularly when it comes to house republicans, it tests just, what is the word? but challenging, doesn't seem like -- >> that's not the best way to put it. >> another stopgap funding bill! last week, because we were here last week, and last, week they were saying, oh you know what? that's gonna be four appropriations bills, gonna put them on the floor, and they're gonna find them, get them done. they're gonna fund the government. i said i don't know about these four appropriations bills. they haven't been able to do it before. what is it for this time? we did not get the four appropriations bills. we got continuing resolution, which funds the government until march 8th. which means we'll be right back here. what it's gonna change between now and march 8th for mark johnson? >> good question, because this is the third time johnson had to pass a stopgap funding measure since he was elected speaker at the end of october.

this is a guy who said he's gonna put another never gonna put another stopgap funding measure on the floor, this is a clear display of how he's been unable, and it's not all his fault, let's be clear. he inherited a lot of these rules, a lot of this mess from house speaker kevin mccarthy. he also has no leadership experience. he's in a really challenging position, and he's realizing that right now. trying to get everything together. all of the big promises he made, the budget plan he laid out back in october, remember, when we reported on this, he can't get any of this done, because at the end of the day, he has hard-liners in his conference. he has the marjorie taylor greene's, who are threatening to oust him if you pass this aid to ukraine, which even johnson, you know, as a rank- and-file member, voted against it, now he realizes okay, this is something we have to do. you've got to fund the government. he's realizing how challenging all of this is, and that's exactly why we saw a lot of people run for speaker in october, but also a lot of people who were like, i'm out. i'm not doing this. so, it's a good question. i don't know what will change for him between now and next friday, but remember, he's the

one who ladder these states. he's the one who created this. so, we'll see if he rises to the challenge. >> friends, we've talked about what is happening in the senate does it leads to leadership. julie light at what's happening in the house. i want to connect those thoughts for us. here, senator bernie sanders, last night, with our colleague, alex wagner, talking about mitch mcconnell and who is likely to replace him. take a listen. >> he was an old-time republicans. he, to his credit, spoke up against trump knowing that. i think he will be replaced by somebody further to the right, someone who will be more closely attached to trump. >> here's my question to you, michael steele, which is if that is true, and a lot of that will be contingent on what happens during the november elections, does the house then and of becoming more likely senate, where it is hard to get things done because there is leadership in place aligned with donald trump, whether or not donald trump's president? who aren't interested in

legislating? >> yeah. that's been a concern for quite some time, alicia, with the idea that the house is sort of the wild, wild west, and the senate was the place where the grown-ups would go. and consider legislation and debate it's and talk about it. and two symone's point, to pass it. that's not the case necessarily anymore, with the ted cruz, josh hawley, likely contingent. the breakfast club. i have some thoughts about that. you know, this idea that these guys are now going rogue, and you've seen them kind of tried to go rogue on mcconnell from time to time. he has been very successful at saving that off. now that he's announced his retirement, you've got donald trump sticking his nose in the race, as julie mentioned, sustains being somewhat that they want, that he wants. the speaker, the majority race

for republicans is really contingent on their ability to hold to gain the grounds on the senate, to take it. the numbers work for them. mcconnell has always been conscious of keeping those numbers, that sight line, in front of them and saying look, we're not gonna go too crazy. we know we have to run statewide as senators. we don't run a congressional districts. how are the narratives coming out of the house around issues like ivf and abortion affecting the way senate republicans are looking at the landscape going into november, especially now that you've got trump trying to get names, hall lead jumping all over mcconnell, and mcconnell just saying yeah, what the fabric, right? >> that's a really great question. question on dane's, he's the guy tasked with basically electing senate republicans across the country. that is his job. so, it's interesting that trump is kind of pushing him to enter the fold, to enter this race. i ivf and abortion, the house

has been passing messaging bill after messaging bill. they know won't go anywhere in the senate, actually, by the council votes related to abortion rights, trying to restrict those freedoms back in january, because i couldn't get it together. and pass a rule, which of course, republicans are needed to support in order for that to go anywhere. so, they're trying. they're certainly trying to restrict access to these procedures. they're trying to pass all these messaging bills. of course, the senate is controlled by democrats, and also, republicans over there know that this is something that cost them to lose a lot of seats in 2022. , so it's an interesting dynamic. obviously, the senate is a place, as you know, that is serious. it's hard to pass bills for a reason. the house is more messaging, messaging, messaging. certainly, when you look at the ivf decision, we have reported first that katie brits from alabama is going to give the state of the union response for republicans to president joe biden's state of the union next week. she was quick out of the gate to really go against what her colleagues and tuberville said from alabama, to brief or colleagues i reported last week at lunch saying listen, this is a decision the alabama

legislature is going to correct. they know this is a problem. they were very quick to point that out to me too, when, i supporting it. >> they thought centre bridge was a really interesting choice, because why highlights, why highlight the thing that is literally causing you the most ire right now, in terms of ivf and the alabama supreme court decision? then you get to the senate this week, and for all of the statements that were made by the senate republicans, or republicans across the board, senate republicans did not back ivf legislation. they blocked it. i'm just very interested in how this dynamic is really playing out in alabama, yes, the legislature came back. they corrected, but i think it's important people at home know they did not weigh in on whether an embryo was a person or not, whether it wasn't for. and what they said was we believe people should be able to get ivf. that is not going to the heart of the question, and people are still in limbo.

i feel as though a similar dynamic is playing out on capitol hill. >> it absolutely is. here's the thing. republicans are going to say they blocked that, senator tammy duckworth legislation, of course, she has a personal experience with ivf as well. they're going to say they blocked it because they should be up to the states. they say, time and time again, however, i also reported this week that senator lindsey graham, who has introduced a national abortion ban, every single year since 2013, hasn't done it yet, told me even this week oh, we have to get through the funding battles. we have to get through ukraine aid, which he now is not supporting. he still planning to introduce a ban. i asked him, waits, shouldn't this be up to the states? he said no, i disagree with that. you know, there needs to be a standard, 15 weeks, 16 weeks. >> so he was lying to us that the states were the ones who had the power. >> imagine that. imagine that! nbc's julie tsirkin, it is very good to see you. we usually see you in the box. happy to have you at the table. >> thank you. >> thanks for coming in. ahead, the president biden invites donald trump to come

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mr. trump. sent a plan for policy this year. instead of telling members of congress to block this legislation, join me. or, all join you and telling the congress to pass this bipartisan border security bill. we can do it together. >> that was president biden, calling on donald trump to throw his weight behind border legislation. now, biden and trump took tooling trips to the southern border on thursday. it comes just weeks after republicans jump ship on a bipartisan border bill and donald trump's demand. makes you wonder why donald trump's at the border. joining us now is democratic congressman from new york, gregory meeks. welcome, welcome sir. >> thank you. >> congressman, good to be with you. good to be with you here in new york. i want to talk about the border but, first, i gotta ask, you were on about calling julie tsirkin talking about whether or not the government is going to continue to be funded. you've got another week. do you think republicans are going to be able to get it over the finish line? >> well, i think if they continue to work with democrats, we'll get it over the finish line. i think we're close to making

sure it doesn't shut down on march 8th next deadline. but i think that the bill issue is what happens by march 22nd, the second challenge of bills come out. and whether or not the speaker gives into the macro republicans or does he work with democrats and the rest of the republicans to get something done for the people in passing a budget that we'll have keep the government open? that's the big question. who and what does the speaker do? does he listen to the maga, and that's what he does? so therefore, the government shuts down, or does he work with democrats and were on our way? ready to sit down to work together so we can keep the government opens and make sure the we pass a budget that benefits all americans. >> one of many big questions this morning. >> i mean, truly, congressman, the dynamics in the house are insane, to use a elevated word. you have what is happening when

it comes to the funding and the staggered, continuing resolutions. then you also have what's happening or not happening on border security, and not to mention, ukraine aid. donald trump and president biden horrible that the border this week. what do you make of president biden's you know, request, if you will, to donald trump, telling him to join him in getting something actually done here, and not playing politics? >> look, i think the proof is in the pudding what president biden is saying. let's get something done. i think democrats are saying we recognize that there is a problem with, at the borders, with a number of individuals crossing the flow, crossing the border. i just came back from the arizona border and the galas myself, i was just there last weekend, because i wanted to see for self what was taking place at the border. the individuals that are focused and the supplemental bill, that was proposed by the

senate, of which president biden has agreed, it deals with a lot of the issues that would help us at the border, particularly, our various ports of entry. donald trump simply has said to the mackus on the house side, don't do it! [laughs] don't do anything! keep it a political issue. we're trying to put people over politics to fix this thing and do it in a humanitarian way, so we can make sure we can continue to lead, and i got to tell you something. i saw a tremendous difference on how the border is being handled by governor hobbs of arizona as opposed to governor abbott of texas. clearly, what i see in texas, abbott is playing the trump role of politics, and hobbs is trying to make sure we get these things done, so we can secure our borders, so we can make sure that we keep illicit

drugs from entering, because most of the illicit drugs are entering through people not to people with backpacks, but through the ports of entry, of which you, know the customs agents clearly are articulating to me. i learned so much on the strip. so, the biden way is bringing us together so we can result and look at some of the root causes or so, dealing with our folks on the southern border. when the maga trump way is to try to divide this country, put a lot of lies in front, but do nothing to solve the problem. >> congressman, i wanted to, you bring up the politics a little bit more. you talk about the politics, and it does play a role, policy right now is also front and center. i want to call your attention to an interesting story out of the new york times, in which they talk about the democrats blowing the opportunity to actually make new york winnable for them in 2024 by noting the vote to confirm that new maps,

the redistricting maps in the state that were signed by the governor, that of trump won districts in the state has officially increased from 5 to 6. i get democrats have this thing about redistricting, but do you really want to redistrict yourself out of the opportunity to take the five seats in new york that would largely shift control in the house? what do you say about the political dynamics of the party that seemingly makes -- it's more difficult for itself to actually gain ground on trump and republicans in this upcoming race? >> look, we have a new york constitution. we could not do, and i don't believe it was the right thing to do, what north carolina did. you know, north carolina just obliterated any type of fairness at all. our constitution, that the people voted for in new york, prevented that from happening. it had a, we had to have an

independent redistricting commission that's came together. and they came up with the plan. as a result, the state legislature looked at it and i think that what we're gonna do in new york, as exhibited by what we did in new york three, you know, a lot of folks did not think we were going to win that election. we won it by eight points. so, we picked up one already, which by the way, puts it down to district too, to vote different in the house right now. but also, i believe we can win. we can win in new york. we'll win in new york for. i think we can win in new york one. we can win in new york 20 to, we can win in new york 17, so, i think that you'll see that democrats will pick and win back those seats that we lost, and we may even add on a -- weave with these lines. i think it's clear, because new yorkers understand that what we're trying to do is work

together for the benefit of the people, and not to nothing, as we've seen leadership of the republicans do for the last -- years. >> congressman meeks, i don't know if people are aware you're also the chair of the congressional black caucus pack, which is the pack that is dedicated to recruiting and supporting black candidates who are running for congress, to increase the you know, majority, the members of the congressional black caucus. do you think with the addition of, you just name seats in new york. i'm also thinking about the additional congressional district that's now been added in alabama, the additional congressional district in louisiana. additional seats across the country, where there are pick up opportunities. i think we hear a lot about how 2024 it's gonna be doomed a little bit for democrats, but the house is looking pretty good for democrats. as of right now. >> i couldn't agree with you more, simone. the leadership of hakeem jeffries has been tremendous.

i've been running around the country, as you've indicated, as chair of the congressional black caucus political action committee, and we're working to make sure that not only in areas where there are cbc members running, but those other democrats that will make sure that we are winning and get into the majority, so that hakeem jeffries becomes the next speaker. so, we are looking at right now, running on a country where we may see that african american population is 8% or more, and we're looking at the differences in those elections might have been three, four, 5%. which means the turnout in those communities will make a difference on whether a democrat or a republican elected. we are finding based upon all of the polls that we've been doing, that we're going to increase that number and we will win several seats a courts. well when seats in arizona, we're gonna win more in california, in fact, we can win

back the four or 5 am talking about, increase in new york. that could be very, the same thing in california. so, we are working hard, and we're not waiting until a month or two before the election, and just running around. we're going to talk to people. one of the things i think that is really important, and they looked at in new york three, for example, many folks in that community did not think we would win particularly in that case, because of the asian community not turning out to vote. but we want you to the asian community, let them know what's at stake, let them know we were concerned about their issues. we're going to do the exact same thing in these districts where the african american community is, and let them though that work that we gotta get out as the work of congressional black caucus. what we're doing and why we're doing it, so, they understand what's happening, so we've got to -- social media and other mechanisms to get the word out of the work in the congressional black caucus. i think you'll see a higher turnout in those areas and we

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trucks. officials in gaza say israeli troops opened fire on the crowd. israeli military officials dispute that version of the story. congressman meeks, gregory meeks, is back with us. welcome. >> congressman meeks, you are the ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee. after that horrific incident this week, the minister of national security in israel, ben-gvir, tweeted this. we translated it for folks, and he noted, total support must be given to our heroic fighters operating in gaza, who acted excellently against the gazan mob that try to harm them. today was proven that the transfer of humanitarian aid to gaza is not only badness, while of duck these are being held in the strip. egos on, ben-gvir is a noted right winger. i don't even think right-wing does it justice to describe him. benjamin netanyahu and some of the officials within the israeli governments have proven

to be much more far right, i think, then they were maybe 40, 30 40 years ago. so, how is this a government the united states can continue to work back channels with, and talk to privately, while things like we saw this week are happening publicly? the united states now airdropping aid into the gaza strip, because it is not safe and they cannot get israel and with the help of egypt, to open up the borders to lift the aid through. >> there's no question, symone, that i've had a problem with netanyahu and that right-wing government, even before october the 7th. and in some ways, i think the israeli people have had a problem with that. that's why they were in the streets in mass numbers against netanyahu, prior to october the 7th. and so, i have problems with many of those right wingers that mix up that coalition. i think many of the israelis have problems with them, and i

think they will deal with him at such time that the hostages are returned. i think that the biden administration, what they're trying to do, because negotiations and diplomacy is very hard. one of the things i do have a problem with looking, at the negotiating table, also, hamas is still there. and that's a problem. i said there was a true voice for the palestinian people that was part of the negotiations, and i think that something that is missing. because i think that the biden administration is trying to get a humanitarian pause, putting pressure on netanyahu, and trying to get, because we know we've got to get much more humanitarian aid in there, and many of my colleagues on the republican side are trying to block us even funding humanitarian aid. that's one of the major disagreements we have right now. we are insisting that humanitarian aid and dollars in the supplemental can get to the palestinians. but i would hope that we would be able to get a true voice of

the palestinian people at the negotiating table, not hamas. i would hope that we put the pressure on netanyahu, because when i think the biden administration is trying to do is to make sure we don't have a situation where we go back to what was, because going back to what was doesn't work. you know, we need a two state solution, and that is going to be hard work and negotiations, of which they are trying to do, so once we get out of this terrible situation, that we can move and make progress. that's why you've got to work with saudi arabians and you've got to work with the jordanians and the egyptians and others in the area. i just hope there is someone, and i think that something we need to look for, someone who is palestinian to lead the palestinian people. and i have thought about this for a little bit. and i don't know who, but sometimes, because anytime you see these movements like that, someone comes up. sometimes, that person might have been imprisoned, like nelson mandela had been for 27

years. maybe there's somebody that's there that understands that israel has the right to exist, but also, there should be a palestinian state that should exist also, so they can live side by side in peace. that is the goal, i think, the administration is looking at, so that when we look ahead, we can see we don't ever go back to a situation where you have individuals who are being occupied, who are preventing a two-state solution from happening. that's what i think the ultimate goal is. two state solution and peace, side by side in the future. and it's hard work. i think that's what the biden administration is really focused on. >> congressman, you talk about the pressure. i love the idea of the pressure in the middle east on israel, to your point about the two- state solution. let's broaden it out and talk about the pressure that needs to be applied to get ukraine aid, in place.

you had navalny's funeral yesterday. russians turned out, risking life and limb. against this administration in -- showing that they do have hope for changes there. how do you gavel together, if you're the administration, the narrative around the valleys death, that emerged in the visuals from yesterday, with hundreds of thousands of people turning out for his funeral, and the narrative we see playing out in ukraine, where again, you have citizens, grandmas, fighting for their freedom from the repression of the russians? what more should we be saying to get republicans off their behinds and recognizing that donald trump, orban, rather, and others around the globe who want dictatorship are not the future of the globe, but

democracy is? >> part of the problem, i think, is the republican party, michael, as you know, is not the same republican party. it's donald trump's party. donald trump is telling the speaker what to do and what not to do. clearly, if the house was left to the will of the members of the house, we would pass ukraine funding. you would see almost 300 members of the house voting for it. the problem is the speaker will not allow the bill to go on the floor, so the house can do with soil, so that we can pass this bill. listening to donald trump, while we were over in, and i was there, i wasn't munich at the time of navalny's death, along with his widow, who was there, and none of us was talking about it. you saw the speaker was talking to donald trump. now, i think it is time for the so-called moderate republicans, not to allow those extremist

maga republicans to control the day. they can put pressure on the speaker right now, to put the vote on the floor. you can speak as loud as the maga stew, otherwise, they're gonna make themselves maga. so, the easiest thing to put on the floor, and if they won't do that, they should join with democrats, and many of them have said that they want ukraine funding, well, here's an opportunity -- but to do something. join with democrats. sign a discharge petition. work with us and other ways so that we can go around the speaker, if he refuses to do it, when the overwhelming which party if embers of the house want to vote for ukraine funding. let's work together and get the bill on the floor, let the congress this will be done, and see where that vote falls. i'm sure that you will see almost 300 members of the house of representatives voted for ukraine funding. you are congressman gregory meeks, what a treat to have you with us this week. thank you, sir.

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i think all of the cases should be dealt with before november. we need to know it's gonna happen before it happens, before the presidency happens, because after that, should he become president, i don't think any of it's gonna get hurt. i think voters are going to want to know what they're walking into. if they're walking into a president who still going to have to be in court, or if there walking into a presidency where he can get rid of a court case, voters are going to want to know that. >> i think nikki haley makes very good points, but she's running up against a problem. the supreme court, which has agreed to hear donald trump's presidential immunity appeal, this week, the justices is

scheduled oral arguments for late april, and the ruling could be theoretically come anytime after that. look at the calendar. donald trump's election interference trial in washington, d.c., is on hold until the court rules. it's a conundrum. let's bring in someone that knows a little more than a little something, melissa murray. she said nyu law professor, msnbc legal analyst, and coauthor of the brand-new book, the trump indictments, the historic charging documents with commentary. i >> just want to say, friends, you missed out on your copies of the book because you are not here with us in new york. let me say it is heavy. you could do some bicep curls with this because as you pointed out to me, 91 counts. here's the thing about you to clear up for me that i'm a little confused about, it's my understanding that part of the argument that jack smith is going to make is in this immunity case is let's not go broad. let's not be theoretical, let's not entertain every possibility of ways in which this could apply. let's keep it real narrow and talk about whether or not you believe, donald trump's charges

are immune from criminal prosecution. one, am i getting that right as an envoy or? to, how does that affect the timeline? >> i think that is going to be the strategy going into april 22nd's argument, and this is about one tickets of ride. it's about donald trump. it's not about the prod universe of presidential immunity. again, that runs up against the way the supreme court has framed this case. the question presented already sort of takes the given that maybe, we do have to get into the questions of whether or not the acts alleged here or within the scope of donald trump's official duties of president, whether it applies to a former president. it really is up to the supreme court to decide what it will take. jack smith can make all the arguments he wants, but the court is going to decide this. again, but -- >> u.s. a court washer, what do you think? do you think they narrow it? >> i think the court does whatever it wants. this is a court that has been doing whatever it wants, and a lot of different areas. whether it's regard to precedence or how it interprets statutory law. this is a court that has

aggravated a lot of power to itself and in this particular case, it's arrogated to itself the power to determine if this person who has been charged with 91 different crimes, it's going to be on the ballot and it's going to stands. if he's going to be immune from these charges, so, we already have tons of cases about donald trump pending around the country. we have one already pending at the supreme court. this is yet another one, and this court is in the pole position in the driver seat. >> okay, so, just so you know, simone and i are both exasperated on this end of the table, because simone, i'll defer to you, and saw cleanup on aisle nine. >> melissa, the question, i used to work at the white house. i would have never thought it was in my scope, within my scope of my duties as a deputy assistant to the president, a senior adviser to the vice president, to pick up the phone and call the secretary of state that somebody lost, asking, can you buy me some more votes? that is not within the scope! this is about crimes and

criminality! why is it so broad? give the people some hope! is there any hope left here for the supreme court? when it comes to this? >> so, i don't have much in the way of optimism about this court. to be really honest with you, this is a court that has been on, high on its own supply for a while now. this is a 6 to 3 conservative super majority. this is always going to be the case when you have that much consolidation of power. what we show in our book, the trump indictments, is this is a person who as alleged to have engaged in crimes before, during, and after his presidency. now, rather than having all of this determined in a court of law, where facts can actually be adjudicated under the guidance of an experienced drug, we are going to have to let this be decided by the general electorate at the ballot box, with all of the disinformation and misinformation floating around here, we have no common vernacular. we have no comments at the facts. that's what a courtroom would provide, and the fact of the supreme court has that's an oral argument for april 22nd

doesn't mean they're not going to issue a decision that says donald trump is not immune, but it does mean that late and protracted timeline makes it very unlikely that's all of this is going to be resolved in a court of law before the election. that's, really, is the problem. it's taking the fact that we could have this adjudicated in a way the rule of law would require, and instead, it's going to be left to the people. >> michael, i'm ready for that cleanup on aisle nine. >> yeah. yeah, because melissa, here's the rub for me. i love the way you framed it. this court can do whatever it wants. right? there is no requirement that this court to what it just did. in other words, a, will kick this can down on april 15th or 20th, then, we'll start the clock maybe after that. i go back to bush v. gore, where the supreme court didn't wait eight months to the side who the next president of the united states would be. they expedited those hearings. they expedited that's

conversation, that national conversation, and they rendered a decision shortly after that process had began. why? they knew the country needed a president. this court could have done the same thing. they could have her, they could've had those lawyers brief them on monday, out, they didn't have to bri them, melissa. you know why? because the lower courts and the apple's courts both were briefed by those attorneys, so all they had to do was pick up the briefs they already had! what is dynamically going on here, i mean, i really don't want to say this court is playing the game of politics knowing the chief justice, but you know what? there's a whole lot of politics here when you know where this thing could lands, potentially, on the calendar. and the court refused to move the agenda up, get the lawyers in front of them next week, and render a decision by the middle of march. >> preach, michael, preach! >> michael, we already know

this court can be fast when it wants to. it was fast in 2000, we saw it in 2020, with the covid cases. they move fast to get churches open when they thought that was important. so, when they feel exercise to do so, the canada. caution is, why are they doing it now? we can't really speculate about the internal dynamics of the courts are, but i will just leave out there that this isn't a court that's on invested in the outcome of this election. at least two of the justices currently sitting on the court, samuel alito and clarence thomas, are in their 70s. if a republican is elected president, they want more than certainly stepped down. when they do, that republican president will have the option to nominate their successors, who will likely be much, much younger, maybe even teenagers, and this conservative super will literally live for another generation and a half. if that's what they're thinking, and this isn't a court of law. it's really a court of politics, and they're playing politics right now. >> okay. all right, thank you, melissa murray. i got put up some little

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oh -- >> michael can't even get it together? >> i can't! >> we literally were just talking in the break about how everyone's mom loved him a. called him the cat daddy. you are a cat daddy. we got to find some joy, alicia, because melissa murray made it very plain and a little sad, and very clear that's no one has come into safe the people. that people will need to safe, we got to save ourselves, because the guardrails are off. the systems are hanging on by a thread. >> the institutions are broken. they're not completely broken, they are definitely fractured in so many ways. i guess the question, alicia, is, do you think? i mean, we got polling which we'll talk about in the next hour. that shows right now, where the country is and where its head is. and in my view, it's not in a good space. with donald trump leading. so, how does this fix itself?

do you think people really want to fix it, or are they, like you, know -- it's not bad? >> i think people want to fix it. the three of us are really clear about the fact that you don't over investor national poll. you don't over-invest in national poll when it's eight months out. you have a lot of groups, some of the groups most disengage right now, not paying attention, are also the most likely to say they're going to vote for donald trump. so, yeah, there's work that democrats are going to need to do in order to reassemble set their coalition in the next eight. monsters definitely room for alarm. i have to believe, michael, we all have to believe there are enough americans who are invested in the idea of a democratic america that they're willing to show up between now and november. >> just real quick on that, they have to be, because democrats can't even draw themselves a good map. so, i -- >> i thought you trying to go there with the congressman! >> he couldn't avoid the dig. >> i -- >> people have the power,

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