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while that case moves forward, the others not so much. the federal elections case brought by special counsel jack smith suffered a huge setback this week when the supreme court stepped in and delayed the start date of that trial. potentially pushing it back until after the november election, which leads to other trials. today we got significant updates on both of those cases. today in florida, for the first time ever, both donald trump and jack smith were in public court together. for the case over trump's handling of classified documents at mar-a-lago. among other things, they were there to discuss when trump's trial in that case would begin. the special counsel's team requested that the trial begin july 8th, giving them sufficient time to complete the trial before the election. trump's team begrudgingly suggested the trial could begin august 12th, which prosecutors were quick to pounce on, saying one thing the parties agree on is that this case could be tried this summer.

trump's lawyers were very quick to push back on that and made quite clear that they would really much prefer this case be tried next month of never. trump's defense made clear that while they might accept an obvious gate, they don't want this trial to go forward before election day. judge aileen cannon did not make a decision on when she would start the trial, but she would she did ask a question that raised quite a few eyebrows in the room. you may recall that the department of justice has a special rule that says prosecutors cannot bring charges against a political candidate 60 days before an election. that's the so-called 60-day rule. and today judge cannon asked jack smith's team whether or not that rule a pride here. smith's team said it did not. they said the rule is only about one prosecutors are allowed to bring charges and that once charges have been brought there is no restriction

as to when a trial can take place. the notable thing here maybe the judge cannon is even asking the question in the first place. does this mean she is considering bringing this case to trial before election day? or is she looking for an excuse, any excuse, to push the trial further into the future. joining me now, devlin barrett, national security reporter for the washington post, who is in judge cannon's courtroom today. you look like you're just out of court. we'll move on. devlin, what did you make of judge cannon's reaction to the permanence justices assurance that the 60-day requirement didn't apply here? >> it's funny because that was the closest she really came to addressing the elephant in the

room, which is the defense demands of this trial not take place before the election. i think what you saw over and over in this hearing today was that trump lawyers tried to get her to engage on the question of before or after the election, and the only time she did was in the sidestepping way involving the doj policy. and really, the answer to the doj gave was absolutely correct. that just doesn't apply in this instance. a trial schedule is set by a judge, not the justice department. so it doesn't really involve doj policies, that 60-day rule. so i think what was telling to me was the degree to which the two parties actually aren't that far apart is if you think about the july versus august difference. the challenge, though, that is really clear is, because trump's gonna go on trial in

new york in the spring, they have a lot of work to do in the classified documents case if they're going to make that happen. and it's going to be difficult to get all of this done. and doesn't mean it's impossible. that doesn't mean they shouldn't. but it is going to be a very busy spring and summer for everybody involved in this. and it's going to be technically complicated. one of the things the prosecutor suggested is that in the middle of one week of the new york trial everyone fly down to florida, have a hearing on an off day, and then fly back to new york to resume the trial in new york. it's not clear that that is what is going to happen, but that's the kind of logistic tricks are going to have to do to pull this off. >> did you get a sense that she was that all receptive to trump's defense team argument that he's trying to use the presidential immunity case in the mar-a-lago case, never mining that he wasn't actually president when the documents were found in his beach getaway. having said that, that issue, presidential immunity, is working its way through the supreme court. trump's team has effectively said don't do anything in this case either until we resolve the presidential immunity question. did she seem receptive to that

argument? >> it only came up in passing, the immunity issue, in this hearing, and no one really tried to get her to engage on that question. it did however come up in a different way, which i thought was interesting and smart on the part of the prosecutors because at one point the prosecutor said to the judge, look, if you agree with the defense that this trial should begin let's say in august or late august or september, that may be a trick on the part of the defense team to get a trial date so that if and when trump loses the immunity argument before the supreme court, your trial date ends up blocking the d.c. case over the january 6th and 2020 election, and it ends up ending up a block to that trial going forward. it may all just be against min ship to prevent any of these trials from happening. the trump defense lawyers denied that. but i think it's fair to question how all of these things are going to relate to each other. >> there is some reporting that that is trump's strategy, to literally ice out judge chutkan

in the federal interference case. some part of the deliberations today were taken objects must team suggesting that judge cannon reverse herself on an order to reveal the names of witnesses that the government would very much like to keep redacted. there was some speculation that jack smith fighting cannon on this was part of a broader effort to maybe seek to get her taken off the case. there has been a lot of controversy over her ruling throughout this case. there is been no shortage of frustration, at least on the outside, and i can certainly manchin on the inside of the doj. do you think that is still something that they would even be aiming for, given what's happening in this sort of trial landscape. >> that's really not my sense of how this is going so far. if you look at the totality of your argument, the totality of the prosecution position on

this issue and in the case in general, they do not look to me to be aiming for that kind of play. asking for a different judge is a pretty intense move in, in particular for a government lawyer. that doesn't seem where they are headed in. this i would be surprised, based on what i saw today, that that's where any of this lands. remember also earlier this week judge cannon ruled against trump on an issue. so i don't think there is a great factual argument for the prosecutors to even make if they wanted to and it's kind of pulling a parachute before you've left the plane at this stage of the case. >> all right. we're going to posit right there, devlin. please hang for a moment because i want to talk about the other trump case in court today. trump and jack smith were in the same florida courtroom today. the fate of trump's other case being hashed out in georgia. for weeks guanajuato hashing out a sideshow, where trump's

codefendants are trying to get the a fani willis thrown off the georgia election conspiracy case because of a relationship she had with one of the prosecutors on her team. now today we got what was effectively closing arguments in the case of trump's cronies versus fani willis's love life. trump's coconspirators claim that fani willis hired nathan wade, an outside lawyer with whom she was having a romantic relationship, in order to profit off the case against trump. their arguments as to how willis is profiting off of the case are admittedly very thin. but d.a. willis has made clear that she and way did engage in a romantic relationship and the defense lawyers have been able to raise questions about whether or not miss willis was truthful about when her relationship with mr. wade began. so now the focus of this thing has shifted. it started off as a question of whether miss willis benefited financially but has evolved into a question of whether or not there is the appearance of impropriety in her relationship with nathan wade. trump's codefendants are

effectively arguing that even if fani willis didn't create some elaborate scheme to profit from this trial, the appearance of dishonesty about her personal life should be enough to kick her off this case. >> all you have to do is make a finding of fact that you have genuine legitimate concerns about their credibility. and if they don't tell the truth under oath, or if there is a significant concern about their credibility, then they are violating their ethical rules. and is anyone will tell you, as your honor already knew for when you are a prosecutor, prosecutors are held to a higher standard. >> want to bring into this conversation senior importer for the atlanta journal- constitution. thank you for joining me tonight. it feels on the outside like the defense, or the defendants in this are trying to move the goalposts in terms of disqualifying behavior. i wonder whether it seems like

judge mcafee is buying it. >> well, you are right, alex, that the debate now is a question of whether the judge, what standard he wants to take. does he see this as a potential actual conflict of interest or the appearance of a conflict of interest? this is something the judge himself has stated, which i think the defendants kind of took as an opening to really focus on in their closing statements today. you mentioned initially how this complaint had to do with whether the d.a. was financially benefiting inappropriately off of this case. i would argue that a lot of the focus has shifted toward whether d.a. fani willis or whether special prosecutor nathan wade might have perjured themselves on the stand. the dea and her team have vehemently denied this. they say they have been taking telling the truth the entire time. the defense council is trying to catch them in a lie, arguing that that in and of itself is enough to remove them. >> does judge mcafee, i mean he didn't allow new evidence in

today, right? this was sort of like closing arguments, if you will. did he seem interested and open to the idea that the thing that should disqualify fani willis is lying about the timeline of her relationship? >> i think that is something he was stressed testing with the lawyers on the stand today, trying to figure, out okay, what's the law on this issue? what's out there that could lead me to rule one way or the other? and he really has not given a great sense over where his head is at, which is a bit unusual for him. he tends to at least give us a hint about what he is thinking. but he mentioned wanting to take the time to really get this right over the next two or so weeks before making a determination. and he could look back to a delight in july 22 ruling that his colleague entered early on this case having to do with the man who became do lieutenant governor of georgia, amber jones, serving as a trump elector.

he ended up disqualifying d.a. willis from investigating him further because she held a fund- raiser for someone who would become his democratic opponent. they were pointing toward that ruling to show that was enough to disqualify the fornea's office, it should be enough to disqualify the office here. >> we're talking about disqualifying her, her office, which would mean that this would be a no-man's-land for a certain man of time. floated its potential punishment that is not as severe about definitely the case? the >> judge has not floated anything. he's been tightlipped about what he may do here. but one option could be to maybe advise the d.a. let nathan wade go. have him step aside so that she can remain on this case. that would be a bit unusual, but perhaps that is some sort of middle ground in all of this. but you are right, alex. removing the tire fulton d.a.'s office could lead to a lot of disarray on this case, potentially freezing it or even, in the eyes of some of

the d.a.'s allies, enough to kill it. so we will just have to wait and see. prosecutors have argued that judges in general are very hesitant to want to remove prosecutors from cases like this. they argue would be pretty hard standard to set. >> devlin, i want to ask you this. this has been a really rough week for people, eager to see donald trump stand trial and be held accountable for his actions. particular for jack smith. let's start there. i wonder if there was anything revealing or anything you can tell us about the sort of mood in the courtroom as it looks like a lot of these cases are falling by the wayside, potentially. >> i'll say the move was interesting, because and a lot of the recent court rooms, we're up with donald trump,

he's excited a sort of anger. i think particularly in the e. jean carroll case in new york. today, in this courtroom, and florida, at one point he was joking with reporters. i think he feels good about where he is right now. at least in that day and that moment. the anxiety, the concern, the uncertainty about the schedule, i think, it is understandable for people to have concern given the stakes and all this. i will say, the court system is not a great linear and predictable animal. it never has a pain and it's not been that for donald trump either. that is part of the uncertainty. i think people will have to roll with the punches little bit as far as the court system can be on a day today, week to week basis. >> good advice for us all watching and following along. devlin barrett, tamar hallerman, think you both for your time and great reporting.

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no excuse. the truth is, aid flying to gaza is nowhere nearly enough. number nearly enough. lives are on the line. we should pull out every stop we can. >> president biden today announced the united states will airdrop food and aid supplies entered gaza. as you and officials say one quarter of the population, 5000 people, one step away from famine. president biden's announcement comes one day after israeli forces are accused of opening fire on a credit palestinians waiting for eight and gaza city. the israeli military denies firing on people seeking aid and says many of that date were killed by stampeding crowds. at least 100 people were killed and that incident, according to the palestinian health ministry. although the israeli military dispute that number.

the incident has drawn international condemnation against a backdrop of more than 30,000 people killed in gaza since the war began, again, according to the palestinian health ministry. this war is a source of domestic concern as well. this week, during michigan's presidential primary, young people and arab american voters made clear their dissatisfaction with this white house position on israel and gaza. as more than 100,000 vote uncommitted in that democratic primary. joining me now is senator bernie sanders, also the author of the new york times based selling book, it is okay to be angry about capitalism. out now in paperback. great to have you here. i know you have been openly advocating for this white house to do something immediately to help the people of gaza. food and aid, they have

apparently done that. can you talk about how receptive the white house and the administration have been to as a pressure? >> first of all, this is something i've been thinking about for a while. what they see, what you see, what i see is an unprecedented humanitarian disaster. we are talking about hundreds of thousands of children facing starvation. we are talking about israeli bombs making it impossible for humanitarian aid to get to places that it is needed. that the boulders are being blockaded and aid is unable to get through. so i think what the president is doing is an important step for us but we need to do more. we need to tell netanyahu and his right-wing government that they're going to have to open those voters. united states all of america and the rest of the world is

not going to allow hundreds of thousands of children to starve to death. so we need a new approach to israel, for many many years, we have given them a lot of money. recently there was a vote. i voted against it, to give them 14 billion dollars. my view, not a nickel for netanyahu's government if he will continue this wholesale slaughter of palestinian people. >> that's the part i can't reconcile. we are airdropping aid at the same time we are sending weapons of war over israel. how do you reconcile that? is that right hand off talking to the left hand? >> you can't reconcile. it is totally absurd. and on top of that, the airdrops are very important. but that is not as important as

opening up the boulders because you did hundreds of hundreds of trucks every single day. and our message to netanyahu, you know what, you are not going to get another nickel unless you open the borders and prevent the eminent starvation. >> you say it's your message to netanyahu, but i wonder if it's all about the message to president biden. i have to read this passage. we don't cover gaza every day. it is an ongoing, appalling situation and this is what's happening. for people who tuned this out, for domestic politics, which are important as well, but listen to this. it was hunger that drove him from his house in gaza at two in the morning on thursday.

it has been months since he could find food for his family in gaza. flour sold for close to $1,000 a bag and even the animal feed many were eating is running out. some people are eating grass, according to the united nations. >> it is an unprecedented disaster. it makes my stomach turn. by the way, there are children right now suffering from severe malnutrition, who suffered permanent damage. if all the food in the world came in tomorrow, they've already been permanently damaged. so the word has got to go out. we must demand a total change in what netanyahu is doing. we've got to put an end to this bloody war right now. netanyahu and the israeli government have got to stop supporting the concept of a two- state solution, so maybe, maybe there will finally be peace in that region. >> that same's like political pressure might be one of them to get the administration to

take a more aggressive posture of netanyahu. i wonder what you make of the result of that michigan primary earlier this week. oh the 100,000 people voting uncommitted -- >> at tells me and the white house there are large numbers of young people, large numbers of minority people, large numbers of americans who are sick and tired of the slaughter of the palestinian people. and again, this is not some distant thing. this is was our -- guns and planes, largely paid for by u.s. tech dealers. so the word is, again, we cannot continue to support this right-wing extremist government. not more money. we must demand fundamental change of policy. >> do you think this could be an issue that could decide -- they are deciding factor and the election? >> people have got to know trump is even more pro-israel than biden has been. but i think what you are going to see a lot of young people, people of color, people of arab descent, saying, you know what? i don't like trump but i could just sit out and not vote. >> there are some data at the washington post went through, comparing trump support in 2024 for his has support in 2016, from these early primary states. it looks like he's running the same this year as he did with republican women in 2016. he's gotten a higher share of conservative voters and older voters. he's done slightly worse among young voters. so it seems, if you're a democratic strategist, someone running for president, which you have done before and you know that landscape well, young voters will be really important for this democratic president seeking to return to office for another four years. do you have -- is there a strategy you think -- setting aside the immediate calls you

have articulated, vis-@-vis prime minister netanyahu, is there something president biden should be pursuing outside that? >> i think president biden has established a good record over the last four years. there's a lot he has to be proud. of we took this country under his leadership out of the pandemic and the economic downturn from the pandemic. a lot faster than what people thought. we have started to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. potent more money into transforming the energy system. on climate change, he's been a strong supporter of women's rights to control their own bodies, etc., etc. he has a good record. but he's got to talk to the american people about -- despite our accomplishments, he's got -- ordinary americans have been hurting for decades. we don't talk about. it real inflation accounted for wages today, alex, our lower than 50 years ago. we are seeing massive levels of inequality. the very, very rich are getting richer.

60% of our people continue to live paycheck to paycheck. we have a health care system which is dysfunctional. childcare system, which is collapsing. meanwhile the people on top doing phenomenally well, corporate profits soaring. and the president has been good. he's been out on a picket line, striking workers for the first time in american history. i applaud him for. that he's got to get out there and say, look, give me a second term. give me real democratic control over the house and the senate. you know why? we'll take on the role and close of this country, it will take on great corporations, and will provide an economy that works for working people, not just that one person. i think if he gets that message out, he can't win this election. >> the thing that her hand up on is his age. nobody ever brings up your age? what's the secret?

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back with me now is senator bernie sanders. senator, what's it like trying to govern with a party that's not actually interested in governance? >> it is very distressing. i'll give you an example. i think most americans know our health care system is in disarray. it is outrageously expensive. not enough doctors and nurses, people can't get an appointment. we tried, we really did -- we tried to do something big. we even had some republican support. we tried to grow the number of doctors and nurses and mental health providers. tried to expand primary health care, so people all over the country could actually go to a doctor when they needed to, rather than end up in a hospital. the cost. total opposition from republicans, most republicans, not all, despite the fact this would end up saving money by keeping people out of hospital. bottom line is, you are right, they don't believe and the concept of government. at the end of the day, they'd like to see the corporate world take over even more of the functions of society. that is bottom line. >> that seems generous, that they want anybody to take over the functions of society. >> they want to privatized social security, privatized

medicare, privatize veterans administration, privatize public education, the post office. that is their public goal. they want to make it even more unequal. >> there has been a lot of hagiography around the retirement of mitch mcconnell from senate leadership. i wonder as someone who works with the man and has seen his position on important matters, what do you think on his departure and what are the implications for the republican party? >> he is an old time republican. he's spoken up against trump now and then, to his credit. >> that alone feels like quite generous. >> right. and i think he will be replaced by somebody further to the right, somebody who will be more closely attached to trump. >> i have to say, on a wake like this, when we are talking about absolutely appalling conditions in gaza, looking at the funeral of alexei navalny,

looking at seeming evaporation of holding trump criminally accountable for his actions. in addition to the rest of the landscape. >> you forgot about climate change. >> that's an ongoing trauma we are living through. does this moment -- do you have a sort of core of optimism in a moment like this? how do you look at the broader american, global landscape? >> i have had the privilege, as you mentioned, of running for president. that means to i've been to every state in this country. i've spoken to many many thousands of young people, old people, working class people. what i want to tell you, the people are far, far more patient than the government they have representing them. almost everybody out there are says, you know what, health critic should be a human right. everybody out there are says we have got to stop ask that

billionaires to start paying their fair share of taxes. people around the world aren't stupid. they see climate change taking place in front of their eyes. we need to deal with it. deal with education. change our national priorities, not spend 900 billion on the military. so where i am optimistic, having talked to zillions of people, people want to make this country a lot more humane society and move away from the oligarch society we have today. >> we are going to leave it on that -- >> optimistic note! >> from senator bernie sanders, who's bestselling book, it is okay to be angry about capitalism is out now in paperback. you can read it and be angry and be hopeful about the change you may enact yourselves. it is great to see you, thank you for your time. still ahead, while the vast majority of americans are waiting for their lawmakers to do something to protect ivf access after the alabama supreme court decided embryos or people, republicans in d. c. have done nothing. meanwhile, republicans and alabama are quoting scripture and vanilla ice. i'll explain, next. explain, nt

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will quote vanilla ice. stop operate and listen. >> that was alabama state representative, ernie, a republican yesterday debating new legislation to protect in vitro fertilization while quoting both the bible, and vanilla ice. if it was not already clear, it's a stop in alabama. and yet somehow this week alabama's republican controlled legislate managed to pass something. after the state supreme court ruled two weeks ago that frozen embryos are children, and effectively and access to fertility treatments. the new legislation passed yesterday aims to grant criminal immunity to anyone providing idf services. doctors can't be sued if they give fertility treatments. the legislation fails to address the fundamental question here. how does the state of alabama define a child? is an embryo created by ivf a person? and if you freeze an embryo, are you freezing a person? meanwhile, at the u.s. capitol the cleanup effort is going even worse. the top republicans in the country publicly pledging to support ivf after the republican senate campaign

begged them to do so, earlier this week republican senator cindy hines smith blocked a measure that would have provided federal protection for ivf treatments. cindy hyde-smith explained her position saying i support the ability for mothers and fathers to have total access to ivf and bringing new life into the world. i also believe human life should be protected. that sounds confusing, and maybe somewhat hypocritical, that is because it is. republicans appear to want it both ways here, they want to give lip service to ivf protections but they also don't want to do anything to protect ivf. in other words, they want what republican congress men says a nonbinding resolution expressing strong support for ivf. joining me now is erin carmen corresponded a new york magazine and author of an upcoming book about the post- dobbs era called unbearable, being pregnant in america that's an understatement. thank you for being here

tonight. the thing about hammering home the notion that life begins at conception, which republicans have been doing, i don't know, for decades is that eventually people believe you, 49% of republicans think embryos are children, and here we are in a sort of situation that is wholly of republican making, is there a way out? >> you know the famous cartoon, i never thought the leopards would eat my face? i keep thinking about that because yes that are true believers like our vanilla ice fan friend, your new yarborough who sincerely thought through the issues and they really think that if you freeze an embryo, which itself can endanger its future, right, routine processes of ivf could result in the destruction of the fetus even though the intention in theories to build a family. well most of them haven't

thought about it at all. ivf, as we know, is overwhelmingly more accessible to people who are well off, we'd like to become parents, people that lawmakers know, they realize that this is political poison and they never thought that the leopard would eat their face in terms of the actual political popularity of this, staring them in the face. you rightly call out the total incoherence in what they are saying, part of that is too -- they haven't worked out what their position is. the heritage foundation things at the alabama state supreme court decision was also some. >> yeah. >> alabama passed is completely, the legislator passed an incoherent thing that says that for 15 months nobody can be prosecuted, it doesn't have a carve out for malpractice, it really actually causes more problems than it solves. that is because they have not fully understood the implications of what they've said. when alabama was debating the abortion ban that was a legislator who famously said, an embryo is not a baby because it is not in a woman.

so they have had times where they say if i can't control a woman directly, then it doesn't count. >> if there is not a uterus that i can police -- >> yes, they haven't thought it through. but, their own personhood laws, people like mike johnson the speaker of the house supported laws that would severely restrict ivf. rather than having this debate out in the open worth ton of people were like yes alabama supreme court, now they're saying ivf is great. when you look at the fine print, you even have something like a straight answer you might find that they support really unsustainable, difficult, ineffective, expensive practices and ivf, that anybody who has been through the process will know is the same as making it completely illegal.

>> one of the people who has been caught in a bind of his own making, is donald trump. sean hannity asking donald trump about his position on ivf, i believe it was yesterday, let's take a listen. >> reporter: then the issue of abortion, i believe it played a big part, the demagogue of that issue in 2022, in the mid term, it hurt republicans. you took a strong stance on ivf, where are you on that and what is your message to other candidates, and where are you on abortion? >> so, i saw the ivf and a judge in alabama made a harsh decision, very tough. i came out immediately and said we want to help women, this is fertilization, we want that. we are on the side of women, same thing on the abortion issue. >> it's like, you can see the wheels grinding in his head, right? we want to help, we're in support, we wanted to help women on ivf and abortion. those are two areas where we are actually circling the drain in terms of political support -- >> he has no idea what he is doing. >> completely incoherent!

>> but you know, it's amazing, and alabama, for example, if you go back, part of the holding in the supreme court case was about -- it rested on the fact that voters had voted personhood in the constitution, right? if you go back and look at 2018, the aclu and planned parenthood said this will have consequences, not just for abortion but for miscarriages and of the reproductive health care. this is not a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention. this may be a surprise for them that they are paying the political price. but anybody paying attention realizes the broad scope of reproductive control that they are actually talking about. the only reason they are backtracking is because they are getting in trouble right now. >> it seems like all the tweets, support for ivf are gonna amount to -- do you have any expectation that any solutions are on the horizon?

>> in alabama, yes, they have an incoherent thing that will allow them to say that there is a legislative fix, but even if it were an effective legislative fix you still are going to run up these theocratic on the supreme court who made it clear that there was only one dissent in that case which made many logical points, everybody else, the only question is what was their reasoning in order to say that these embryos are extra uterine children who deserve protection under the wrongful death of a minor act of 1872. a time in which ivf wasn't contemplated. >> godahl 1872, dominate so much of our politics in the 19th century, irin carmon, thank you my friend for your time and great reporting. great to see you. still ahead tonight, two weeks after his death in a russian penal colony, thousands of russians lined the street to lay alexei navalny to rest, and to continue his work. that is next. ontinue his work. that is next. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein,

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i am every opponent you've ever faced. let's dance lizard. i can take any form i desire. awesome! i mean it's disturbing, but it's awesome. >> for a while it was not even clear there would be a funeral at all. after russian opposition leader alexei navalny died in mid february in an arctic penal colony, russian authoritarian at first refused to even release his body. the government reportedly threatened that it would bury navalny at the prison unless his mother agreed to hold a small, private quite funeral. once his body was released his allies then said that russian government was affording their attempts to plan a funeral. they could not find of willing to host a memorial ceremony, or hearse willing to carry navalny's body. once they finally found a church and a cemetery where they could hold a funeral and

bear in the valley yesterday, the kremlin denied them permission, because it might distract from the big saber rattling speech president putin had planned that day. there was also a question of whether he -- if a funeral was held for alexei navalny, anybody would even dare to come. after navalny's death, russian police arrested more than 400 people just for laying flowers at makeshift memorials across the country. anyone turning up for an actual memorial for navalny would be putting themselves at risk of arrest, or violence. all of which made it absolutely stunning when this morning, as navalny's family and friends were finally able to hold a funeral on moscow, mourners did show up. thousands of them. despite a heavy, heavy police presence, thousands of russians lined the streets outside the church, each and every one of them risking their safety and freedom just to be there.

the crowd could be her chanting defiant things, things almost never heard in russia today, like russia will be free. we won't give up, and we won't forgive. but mostly, they just chanted navalny's name, over, and over. as in this footage posted by navalny allies from a rooftop overlooking the crowd. >> navalny! navalny! navalny! >> the vast majority of mourners were kept out of the church by police barricades, inside the church, i should warn you that the footage we're about to show includes an open casket. inside the church, there was a small brief ceremony. alexei navalny's parents can be seen seated in front beside their sons coffin. when navalny's mother emerged from the church, some mourners shouted, to her to thank her for her son. in an interview before he was in prison, he said if they decide to kill me, it means

that we are incredibly strong. you are not allowed to give up. thousands of people who showed up today, despite the risks, they are not giving up. and that has to count for something. that's our show for tonight, now it's time for the last word with ali velshi in for lawrence. good evening, ali. >> it was a fantastic show, highly distracting trying to prepare for this show. the point you just made about alexei navalny and russia would be important just in another country. but to imagine that in a country that does not enjoy democracy, these protesters came out, funeral attendees, they risk their safety and security to protest for democracy, it is a remarkable lesson about democracy. >> we thought it was an important note to end the week on. sometimes we think the system isn't working, but it's

important to keep that struggle