donald trump's lawyers are saying any trial this year is unfair to him as a candidate, but then also relenting and saying if it must happen, they propose august 12th which would be before the election. the trial was originally scheduled for as early as may. what we're seeing in this back and forth is mow jack smith still has other cards to play even as he got a huge setback from the supreme court delaying the coup case. we're going to watch and see what the judge in florida does and whether that trial will get scheduled for before the election. thanks for watching "the beat" with ari melber. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. . tonight on "the reidout" -- >> it is nothing in the case of biden on thursday, a cynical, sick political stunt by the president and frankly it is beyond disgraceful. we'll be at the border with president trump on thursday. >> what? i'm sorry, did you say something about beyond disgraceful? fox attains peek levels of irony

and hypocrisy as president biden and maga cult leader donald trump make dueling visits to our southern border. >> and toray joins me to dissect the bizarre baffling love/hate relationship between the hip-hop community and donald trump. but we begin tonight with the highest court in our land. engraved above the oversized bronze doors on the supreme court's main entrance are are the words "equal justice under law." for nearly 100 years those words have welcomed every person who entered. those words have real meaning or at least they're supposed to. the supreme court's capitulation to donald trump yesterday makes those words ring hollow. it's not just that the supreme court waited more than two weeks after trump made his appeal to make their decision to take up his claim of absolute presidential immunity. and it's not just that they won't hear it until april,

giving trump exactly what he wants, more delays. it's also how they're framing the case. in their one-page order, the justices say they'll be debating just one question. quote, whether and if so to what extent does a former president enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to have involved official acts during his tenure in office. that involve official acts? meaning they're taking seriously the idea that overthrowing the government was part of donald trump's official act as president. they are actually going to debate that. why? the motive seems clear. to slow walk this decision. it may very well be that ultimately the court does not find in favor of trump. but it would nonetheless give trump a victory. the court could have set an expedited schedule in the case.

remember, the bush v. gore case took all of four days to run its course. instead, the court will provide a de facto presidential immunity to trump by potentially pushing the case until after the election. it could impact some of trump's other impending trials as well. trump is claiming a presidential immunity defense both in his other federal case regarding the classified documents and in the georgia state election interference case. and while no decisions have yet been made in either case, we could see the supreme court's decision giving trump a way to further delay those as well. once again, trump can pull a houdini and get out of accountability. at least before the presidential election. one might wonder what the supreme court justices get out of all this. well, with the two most conservative justices, thomas and alito, reaching an age that normally would signal retirement, one might imagine that they would prefer to do so under a republican president, to

maintain the court's conservative majority in perpetuity by insuring they would be replaced by much younger versions of themselves. that notion was also considered to play a factor in bush v. gore, which handed the white house to george w. bush, and remember, three of the current sitting justices, chief justice roberts, justice kavanaugh, and justice coney barrett, worked on that case as lawyers for the bush side. and the late remaining justice on the court from that decision, justice clarence thomas, is married to a woman who vociferously argued for and interacted with trump's inner circle, including his chief of staff, mark meadows, to support the idea that the election was stolen, and that trump's effort to, quote/unquote, stop the steal, was an official act, and now trump's lawyers are going to come before the court and make ginni thomas' arguments in front of her husband.

what the supreme court is doing is incentivizing trump to become like the strongmen he has long admired and remain president for life. the idea being he is untouchable as long as he is the president. perhaps trump will ask for some tips from hungary's authoritarian leader viktor orban when he privately visits with trump next week at mar-a-lago. we know trump's affinity for the other global dictators like vladimir putin and kim jong-un, and who is going to stop trump from staying in the white house until nature calls him. congress? don't make me laugh. there is no longer any checks and balances. that's gone. trump essentially owns the supreme court's conserves who are doing his bidding. in congress, you have a house speaker who is in his pocket. with senate minority leader mitch mcconnell stepping down, you're going to get a senator who is even more willing than mitch to drink the maga kool-aid. so the courts won't stop him, the congress won't stop him. that leaves it in the hands of

the american people. on november 5th. we're not going to be saved by any of these other bodies, folks. and the kicker to all of this, we already know that trump's claim of absolute immunity is complete nonsense because there is a pretty strong historical precedent to rely on. >> now, therefore, i gerald r. ford, president of the united states, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by article 2, section 2 of the constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon on to richard nixon. >> that's right. president gerald ford would not have had to offer richard nixon a pardon if he was supposedly immune from criminal prosecution. which he was about to face.

and how else do we know that trump's whole presidential immunity defense is garbage? well, we heard it directly from his own lawyer during his second impeachment hearing in 2021. >> after he's out of office, you go and arrest him. so there is no opportunity where the president of the united states can run rampant at the end of his term and go away scot-free. the department of justice does know what to do with such people. >> there is only the text of the constitution which makes very clear that if former president is subject to criminal sanction after his presidency for any illegal acts he commits. >> i am joined by lisa reuben, msnbc legal correspondent. catherine christian, nbc news and msnbc legal analyst and former assistant district in the manhattan d.a.'s office, and david jolly, msnbc political analyst and former republican

congressman who is no longer affiliated with the republican party. lisa, i'm going to let you talk. you were so great on this yesterday. i was offing every one of your tv hits and saying, please, get that lady in front of me so i can talk to her. you made the point that i repeated tonight. the single question that these justices are now going to debate is an absurd one. you just saw gerald ford, the idea that there's even a question of whether overthrowing the government is an official act of the president, i'm going to let you talk. >> i think that's right, joy, that it is an absurd question and it's particularly absurd the way that the justices have framed it in their order yesterday. when the supreme court hears a case, they define the issues before them in something called a question or questions presented. some cases have multiple questions, but this case only has one. and the way that it's framed is somewhat telling because it says, whether and if so to what extent a former president enjoys

immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve his official acts. and you know, yesterday, i was really troubled by the alleged. but having talked about this last night with kristy greenberg, who is a former federal prosecutor, she pointed out to me that the whether and if so to what extent should also trouble us to some degree, because both tanya chutkan and the d.c. circuit found that there is no immunity for a former president for official acts full stop. now, the supreme court in the way they framed the question seems to be suggesting that they want to parse that a little bit. they want to carve out some form of official immunity, and more so, that they want to allow perhaps the former president to define what is and is not official acts rather than allow the department of justice to

determine what that is based on the allegations of the indictment. so you're right. i think this is somewhat farcical. i'm not sure why the court is taking this case. if not to at least partially reverse the d.c. circuit, and make it all the more difficult for tanya chutkan or anybody else other than juan rashon here in new york state, to try any of the cases involving former president trump before this election. >> they're trying to re-elect him so that alito and ginni thomas' husband can retire. i don't see any other answer to it. i'm going to come to you, catherine. what's going to wind up happening is they're going to make this arguments in front of the husband of one of the insurrectionists. i assume that he's one of the people who agrees it is part of an official act. i want to ask you a separate question. because it does seem to me this is insuring that the only questions that the american

people will have answered before the election are whether or not donald trump paid a porn star because the alvin bragg case is going to go forward, whether or not he's an adjudicated sex path, which he is, he owes for sexual assault, and whether or not he is a liar about his wealth, which he is, because he's been adjudicated and the clock is ticking on that and he owes a lot of money, half a billion dollars. the american people will literally know everything they already knew about donald trump in 2016. or they should have known. they're not going to know any of the important things. like, for instance, did he steal classified documents? here are the proposed schedules for that case, catherine. jack smith has proposed july 8th as a trial date to begin. donald trump and his lawyer have proposed august 2nd. i will note that july 8th is during the month of the republican convention, and august is when it's over, and he's probably the nominee. your thoughts. >> exactly.

and it's interesting that basically the only cases that -- and they involve money, except for the manhattan d.a.'s case, that have held donald trump accountable involve his pocketbook. the civil fraud case with judge engoron, jean carroll when he was found liable, yes, for sexual assault, which is sexual abuse in new york is sexual assault, and defamation. so those cases. and we don't know the verdict is going to happen in the manhattan d.a.'s case. it's hard to fathom that any one of the nine justices are actually going to rule that trying to overturn the election in several states could be considered an official act. but they took the case. and i can only think they took the case because as a friend of mine said when i said they wouldn't take the case, of course they're going to take the case. they want to have the last word. they're going to say we're the supreme court, we're going to decide this. that to me is the only reason they took the case, or five

people who voted for it. >> or they want to take the case because they want to drag it out to make sure they're replaced by 30-year-old versions of alito and thomas. i'm saying it, not putting it on you all, but that to me seems like the occam's razor answer. david, for the voters on the republican side, no new questions are going to be answered, it seems, even if this case started in july or august as these two lawyers have said, we're talking about this all dragging toward november. so by the time the election comes, people who want to say trump is simply being persecuted will have the evidence being that they're bleeding him financially. that the state of new york is bleeding him financially. that e. jean carroll is taking him financially. that's all they will know. it will not be determined to the satisfaction of people who might be open to the facts and to the truth that this man did steal classified documents, he did try to orchestrate a coup. they have even somehow jimmied together a way to stall the

georgia election interference case. no one will have that answered. what does that mean for us for our democracy, david, if that -- those questions are not answered by november? >> joy, i'm not sure that any case but for the jack smith conspiracy to defraud the american people over the election, i'm not sure any of the others really have an impact on voter behavior. perhaps in some of those persuadable voters they're reminded in the other cases why they don't like donald trump so maybe it does influence them toward joe biden. i think the jack smith conspiracy case, the one the high court has decided to decide the immunity question on, could have a real impact. i think if there is a conviction in that, it could swing the election toward joe biden. i think that's why there are so many hard questions of the high court tonight. in theory, i would like to see the supreme court decide this case because i think this question needs finality and to no longer be debated.

the way they have handled it now feeds into the questions on timing, there's no reason the schedule they set needs to be the schedule. if you look at the nixon case and bush v. gore, they could handle this immediately and resolve this. then the word salad they issued that you talked about, the alleged official acts. the allegation is that these were not official acts. somebody needs to tell the high court the allegation is these were not official acts. they adopted donald trump's language in suggesting they will consider whether or not these were official acts. that gets to the danger of this. we have every reason to question the high court just as we have before and whether or not they're trying to tilt this election in favor of the person who nominated them. >> let's talk about maybe some solutions, lisa reuben. could jack smith simply charge donald trump with something else? say now i'm charging with you insurrection. straight up? xerox, photo copy the indictment in colorado, say i'm charging him with that now?

>> i'm not sure, because i think that any new charges on the federal level would still be susceptible to this immunity defense. so that if the court is going to consider whether a former president is immune from criminal prosecution for any acts that he committed essentially while he was in office, which is how trump would define official acts, then we're still back to square one. i also want to point out that the date that trump has proposed to try judge cannon's case is itself highly problematic because by proposing august 12th, it almost seems like he's being reasonable, but he's not. if you read the entirety of the submission tonight that he made to judge cannon, he is all but inviting her to stay that case for a litany of reasons. including but not limited to the outstanding question of presidential immunity. but in the alternative, he's offering her this august 12th date. what is magical about august 12th? not only will he be the nominee

by then, but by starting a trial that he estimates will take eight to ten weeks on august 12th, guess who else would be blocked from ever trying her case before the election? tanya chutkan. no matter what the supreme court does. >> and catherine, he's even managed by having one of his buddies cook up this case against fani willis, they have gotten into the state case that was untouchable for a pardon. that now is being stalled under the immunity defense theory. it's amazing. he's managed to riggle out oteverything but what's in new york. >> his delaying tactics have worked. and he has won, i mean, won in that these, it's highly unlikely, not impossible, but highly improbable that either federal case is going to be tried before the november election date. it's just -- i never want to say never, but i just don't see either of those cases being

tried, and quite frankly, the georgia case, which has now gone sideways with personal issues involving the d.a. so the only case will be the manhattan d.a. case. >> we're out of time, but very quickly, david, how many days would it take for donald trump to fill the two seats which alito and clarence thomas will vacate on inauguration day? how many days? >> they would have it done in ten days. but this comes down to every race matters including control of the senate, and voters will go into this election eyes wide open. >> and watch aileen cannon be on that list. lisa, catherine, david. thank you. watch it happen. y'all better vote. up next on "the reidout," dueling visits to the southern border highlight the stark differences between president biden and donald trump's visions for u.s. immigration policy. "the reidout" continues after this.

meet the traveling trio. the thrill seeker. the soul searcher. and - ahoy! it's the explorer! each helping to protect their money with chase. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper...

all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours. he hits his mark —center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪oh what a good time we will have♪ ♪you... can make it happen...♪ ♪♪ try dietary supplements from voltaren for healthy joints.

so, you've got the power of xfinity at home. now take it outside with xfinity mobile. try dietary supplements from voltaren

like speed? it's the fastest mobile service around... and right now, you can get a free line of our most popular unlimited plan. all on the most reliable 5g network nationwide. ditch the other guys and you'll save hundreds. get a free line of unlimited intro for 1 year when you buy one unlimited line. plus, get an eligible 5g phone on us. switch to xfinity mobile today! we saw a stark contrast today as president biden and donald trump made dueling trips to the u.s./mexico border. president biden was in brownsville, texas, where he spoke about the bipartisan bill that would allow $20 billion for border security and add more border patrol personnel, immigration judges and asylum officers. the bill full of things republicans support but killed

any because trump wanted to campaign on the issue. biden urges republicans to reconsider and called out his predecessor. >> here's what i would say to mr. trump. instead of playing a policy issue, instead of telling members of congress to block this legislation. join me or i'll join you in telling the congress to pass this bipartisan border security bill. we can do it together. you know and i know it's the toughest, most efficient, most effective border security bill this country has ever seen. so instead of playing politics with the issue, why don't we get together and get it done? >> meantime, donald trump was in eagle pass, texas, where he gave a speech full of fearmongering that was at times just flat out incoherent. >> these are the people come nothing to our country, and they're coming from jails and prisons and mental institutions. and they're coming from insane asylums. and they're terrorists. they're being led into our country. nobody, explain to me how

allowing millions of people from places unknown, from countries unknown, who don't speak lank wjs. we have languages coming into our country, we have nobody who even speaks those languages. they're truly foreign languages. nobody speaks them. >> notably, texas governor greg abbott was right by trump's side throughout the day, even as his state is grappling with the largest wildfire in texas history. i'm joined by california democrat, congressman robert garcia, member of the house oversight and homeland security committees and the subcommittee on national security and the border and msnbc contributor, paula. i'm going to see if you understand what the president was talking about. >> i mean, look, first i think one thing that's clear is donald trump has completely lost his mind. his visit at the border was racist -- former president, xenophobic. he wants no solutions. it's really a shame how he's made his rhetoric so anti-immigrant which is in my opinion anti-american.

the president is trying to get solutions, he's out at the border, worker with democrats and republicans. he's proposed an immigration plan on his first day in office which we should take up in congress and trying to get resources for the border in a way that works. but donald trump who controls the entire maga house in congress doesn't want anything to do with actually helping people, solving the asylum crisis, solving the border challenges. he wants chaos, division, and to get himself re-elected. >> have any of your colleagues admitted they liked the bill they killed? >> absolutely. there's other republicans woo would like to see some sort of immigration plan done, but they bow down to their orange master, and donald trump's racism on this issue should be rejected by every american. >> talk about the real issue -- there is a real issue, there's a chart here that the guardian put up and talked about the surge in border crossings. you can see the little line that happens when it starts. it starts during the pandemic,

which donald trump completely mismanaged. and the mismanagement of the pandemic is the undertold story i think of the trump administration. a million people died, but you also saw this massive surge at the border. so there is a surge. is there any solution being implemented since the president is being constrained from doing so by congress? >> i believe what's really happening and i think what everyone is sort of getting wrong is when we talk about the crisis, what crisis are we talking about, and who is in crisis? are americans in crisis or are asilic seekers in crisis? the facts are if you look at the other side of the border as we speak, there are thousands of asylum seekers waiting in limbo, some of the most dangerous mexican border towns, as we speak, cartel kidnappings are up, sexual violence is up, just in the state which is exactly directly in front of where president biden was sitting, just in that state, sexual assaults toward migrants went up

70% in 2023. that's a crisis. if you look at the american side of the border, there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that immigrants are criminals. none, just look at the texas department of public safety's own data, what stanford university is saying. it is very clear, we want to go there, they say that native borns are more l likely to comm crimes, what is a crisis is extremism is up, the great replacement theory is up, and that's a crisis. i think it's really important to place the audience in this reality of what is this crisis we're talking about? we may be feeling it, we may be perceiving it, but it's not real. >> what people are reacting to is the visuals, right, congressman? they're seeing more migrants, for instance, in new york in shelters. it's making people mad because people are saying why are people spending money to feed them when they should spend money domestically? and they're also, there's a perception that there's this demographic change being forced upon the american people. the people at the border that are getting held up because

there's really noeg immigration judge system, there are ukrainians trying to come through, people who are from china trootrying to come through, people from haiti. the number of people actually from mexico has diminished from like 60% to 30%. so we're not talking about people from mexico. we're talking about people from guatemala, from peru, but also asia and europe. >> that's exactly right. when people think about immigrants, they should think about my folks and me. i'm a member of the u.s. congress, immigrants add to the economy. we know, immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native born citizens. >> they all come here wanting to work. all they want is to work. >> they want to work hard, be part of our community. most of them are fleeing horrific conditions in their home countries and coming for help to seek asylum. we need an isilem system that is fair, humane, and democrats want more security, we want technology, we want to support

the border agents. but we also need both things. people have to remember that immigration is part of what built this country, and we want to get back to that. >> and yet, what you see is republicans and specifically donald trump being more trusted on the border, even though he's literally saying they want to build camps. they want to bring back quote/unquote operation wetback, mass deportation, which would mean stopping anyone who looks latino and saying you're probably an undocumented immigrant. they want these draconian, wild policies. >> absolutely. we know what a trump 2.0 white house would look like. these unprecedented mass deportations, so i think i'm going to say something controversial. i think we're all convinced that president biden being tough on immigration is a way to go. we think that is the way to beat independents. but let's remember in 2020, one of the main reasons why president biden made that

closing argument is when he was able to distance himself from trump's cruelty. four days before the election, he said i will be the one that will undo this cruelty after the border, and it works. i think we have to be very careful in understanding whether this tough on immigration strong hand will work. and maybe the short term solution, but the long term solution is a little more complicated. >> i'll give you one better. ronald reagan and george herbert walker bush. roll them. >> do you think the children of illegal aliens should be allowed to attend texas public schools free or do you think their parents should pay for their education? >> today, if those people are here, i would reluctantly say i think they would get whatever it is that -- what society is giving to their neighbors, but the problem has to be solved. the problem has to be solved. because as we have kind of made

illegal some kinds of labor that i would like to see legal, we're doing two things. we're creating a whole society of really honorable, decent family loving people that are in violation of the law, and secondly, we're exacerbating relations with mexico. >> a beacon of freedom and opportunity that draws the people of the world. no country on earth comes close. this, i believe, is one of the most important sources of america's greatness. >> they both won, the last guy who spoke is considered the greatest republican president, and he did straight up amnesty. >> where are those republicans? i'm a u.s. citizen today because ronald reagan signing that bill that created a pathway to citizenship for millions. where are those republicans today? today, we have donald trump, the most anti-american, anti-immigrant president we have seen in modern history, and he's leading his party to a darker path, and one that's dangerous. >> if a republican talked like that right now, they might even

be able to win the popular vote. thank you both very much. be right back. ack.

voices of people with cidp: cidp disrupts. cidp derails. let's be honest... all: cidp sucks! voices of people with cidp: but living with cidp doesn't have to. when you sign up at shiningthroughcidp.com, you'll find inspiration in real patient stories, helpful tips, reliable information, and more. cidp can be tough. but finding hope just got a little easier. sign up at shiningthroughcidp.com. all: be heard. be hopeful. be you.

"overflowing with ideas and energy." that's the san francisco chronicle endorsing democrat katie porter for senate over all other options. porter is "easily the most impressive candidate." "known for her grilling of corporate executives." with "deep policy knowledge." katie porter's housing plan has "bipartisan-friendly ideas to bring homebuilding costs down." and the chronicle praises "her ideas to end soft corruption in politics." let's shake up the senate. with democrat katie porter. i'm katie porter and i approve this message. the desperation in gaza has taken an even more disturbing turn today with israel being accused of opening fire on starving gazan civilians gathering to wait for food aid. you're now seeing aerial footage showing numerous people surrounding trucks. now, i will note this footage is from the israeli military who say that dozens of people were

killed and injured due to pushing, trampling, and being run over by the aid truck. the gaza health ministry has a different story. they say israeli forces opened fire on a crowd of palestinians who were hoping to get food from those trucks. at least 112 people were killed and more than 760 injured. nbc news has not independently verified the proposed death toll skit rr not clear how many were killed from gunfire or the ensuing panic. palestinian officials call the incident a massacre, saying israeli troops opened fire on a crowd waiting for food and flour. a u.s. official also confirmed to nbc news that the biden administration is considering air dropping aid into gaza, given the dire need for humanitarian assistance and the slower pace of land deliveries. this comes as the u.n. says a sizable portion of gaza's population is starving. joining me now is a former state department adviser and white house senior director as well as

a msnbc. good to see you. a humanitarian officer told the u.n. security council that a quarter of gaza's residents were one step away from famine and 1 in 6 children under 2 in northern gaza suffer from acute malnutrition. putting that context on the table, what do you make of this incident of people rushing for food aid and being either shot or trampled? >> the rushing for food aid is not unusual. it's very common in conditions where people are desperate and starving. this is something that humanitarian actors and even military support have had to deal with in somalia and afghanistan, all sorts of places around the world. that is par for the course when you are trying to deliver aid to people. and there's many ways to manage that. typically, it's not managed with dropping missiles. >> and what about dropping food? there was a humanitarian that i emailed with earlier today who said he found it ridiculous, the idea that the most powerful

nation in the world, the united states, would be down to dropping food from helicopters when the united states could simply push israel using our leverage to make the food trucks go through. the food aid trucks that are being stopped right now by israel. >> this is the challenge of the united states having to play allies with israel as well as allies with egypt and not necessarily having what they see as a credible interlocutor on the palestinian side and this desire to not hold netanyahu accountable for the decisions he is making as a frankly undemocratic leader. it's part of the problem right now, because israel is not in a normal situation. this is not the israel of 15 years ago. this is netanyahu's israel where there is not a clear objective to what is going to happen. >> this is the israel that was trying to make a deal with yasser arafat. >> and he came out saying netanyahu's agenda is a problem

for israel's standing in the region and its longevity as a state and as a democracy. so this is a conversation inside israel, but it's not the same conversation that we're seeing in the united states of being able to challenge how we supply military weapons to other countries that people can see are committing violations with them. >> what do you make as a former state department official of this apparent peace deal they're trying to cobble together. the pentagon can't even seem to agree on what the death toll numbers are. at first they say they agree with 25,000, some say 30,000. but the u.s. is trying to be the big interlocutor on a peace deal that would be hostage release for a cease-fire. >> you need parties on either side that see a value in a two-state solution and this is going to be the problem with netanyahu having told people his goal is to get to rafah and eradicate hamas.

neither one of those actually helps long term with the extremist threat in israel's south, and then you have the hamas, which is deadly set against israel ever being recognized truly in the region. so how is the united states supposed to bring those two groups together? and you bring in qatar, other allies, but the fundamental challenge is the narrative that netanyahu and hamas are working right now, which is to constantly delegitimize the other side. >> in the interim, palestinian children are starving. >> and 25,000 people, more, up to 30,000 people have died. the world is seeing this. we know these numbers. but we still argue over calling it the hamas-run gaza or the hamas-run health ministry as if like, you know, a terrorist organization and the people who are giving out numbers of people dying, like, that credibility is always still a question mark to the point where the united

states secretary of defense is walking back the fact that the u.s. government knows that this is happening and is still calling it the hamas-run data. >> my friend, thank you very much. always appreciate you being here. coming up, why is a hip-hop star doing a video unboxing boosting donald trump's coup force one sneakers? and no, i'm not kanye. after the break, toure will join me and we ask whether he may want to lean back, lean back. be right back.

only unitedhealthcare medicare advantage plans come with the ucard - one simple member card that opens doors where it matters for you. what if we need to see a doctor away from home? ucard gets you in with medicare advantage's largest national provider network. how 'bout using it at the pharmacy? yes - your ucard is all you need. huh - that's easy! can it help keep my smile looking good? yep! use your ucard at the dentist. say cheese! get access to what matters with the ucard only from unitedhealthcare.

voices of people with cidp: cidp disrupts. cidp derails. let's be honest... all: cidp sucks! voices of people with cidp: but living with cidp doesn't have to. when you sign up at shiningthroughcidp.com, you'll find inspiration in real patient stories, helpful tips, reliable information, and more. cidp can be tough. but finding hope just got a little easier. sign up at shiningthroughcidp.com. all: be heard. be hopeful. be you.

meet the jennifers. jen x. jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan. let's go whiskers. jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday. you only turn 30 once. and jen z? her credit's golden. hello new apartment. three jens getting ahead with chase. solutions that grow with you. one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours.

if there is one true thing that's been said about the trump era, it is friend of the show rick wilson's contention in the title of his book, everything trump touches dies. another thick that's true is that once upon a time, donald trump was one of the most referenced figures in hip-hop music. he was name dropped more than 300 times in popular rap songs with his name standing in for wealth, bling, success. when he ran for president in 2016, those rappers, including some who knew him personally and partied with him on occasion at mar-a-lago, weren't exactly lining up to endorse him. only one big name rapper did, sort of. kanye west said right after the election, if he had voted, he would have voted for trump. then he became pals with trump,

including an oval office photo session with ye wearing a maga hat and ranting. things kind of went sideways for ye's public reputation after that for a number of reasons, the luncheon with a nazi being one of them. but it seemed like a lot of other rappers saw what happened with trump and took it to heart to maintain their distance. fast forward to today, when donald trump is now an adjudicated sexual assaulter. he's been fined $450 million and counting for his fraudulent business practices in new york, being the whole reason hip-hop loved him was a lie, plus those 91 criminal counts. but meanwhile, just days ago, oh, i'm sorry, meanwhile trump days ago said black people like him specifically because of his indictments and his mugshot, and days before that, an obscure right wing fox commentator said black people will vote for trump because they love the sneakers. they love sneakers. so it seems like a weird time for any rapper at all to jump on

board with anything associated with the trump brand. and yet, just this week, rapper fat joe seemed to do just that. >> show them the box first. friends and family, only 50 of these. i got to get my hands on them. once again, i'm not a trumper. i dislike trump. i'm not voting for him, not now, not never. but i'm a sneaker collector into the art, so i had to find these. >> i'm >> i'm so glad you are available tonight. i really want to talk to you about. this you interviewed a lot of these guys. there were a few things that were weird about that. number one fact that he had a branded box which kind of said to me that trump may be ascending these to people so that they will do an unboxing, maybe. i don't know if how it struck you, but the whole thing struck

me as odd. he said i dislike trump. a lot of people think he said i just like trump. why do you think he decided to do this unboxing of trump sneakers? they're not quality sneakers. >> no. when i first saw joe doing this i was like no not joe. guy from the bronx been part of hip-hop culture for a very long time. but as he explained it, he's a collector. he's into sneakers. he does not care about trump. he doesn't like trump or support trump. the guy, fat joe his late two or 3000 pairs of sneakers. he's a collector. he wants to have all the sneakers out there. he's got every sort of rear sneaker that you could get. so it's about being a collector, not about supporting trump. he doesn't like trump. but he wants to have all the sneakers. but there is a thing that is implicit in your question. the hip-hop that you and i grew up on in the 80s and 90s was

political. it was tupac, they were political, they were making critiques of america, critiques of the president. we don't have that sort of hip pop anymore. and i'm not saying they are done. there are a lot of very intelligent rappers. but there's a lot of money in the game now. there's a lot of branding in the game now. and it's really about getting peoples attention on you. there is not a lot of politicized hip like what we grew up on. so expecting here pop in general to have a political response, which we grew up on, is not what the game is doing now. >> but i worked toward the end of the obama campaign. they were hip-hop artists including jay-z who were like openly stumping for obama. not -- a traditional pop artist but he supported obama. like made his speech into a hit song. i remember interviewing luther campbell, uncle look, before donald trump ran. that was the area when was probably safe, if you are

really gonna come out for him. anytime to put the fact that he properties used to be at my alarm go. they did have a big objection to trump. but you didn't see a flood of rappers even though they did know him and knew who he was in reference to, they weren't referencing him van. uncle luke just recently put up a poster saying you'd be crazy to vote for trump after he said that bs about black people liking him because he was indicted. in this guy knows trump. i just wonder what do you make of the fact that you have now hip-hop artists willing to associate their brand with him, knowing what we know about him, 1 million people dead from covid, the things he did as president. does it surprise you the people who are usually so brand aware would let their brand be so seated with him now? >> you know all those videos when people go to trump rallies and they ask him ridiculous questions and then they give ridiculous answers they don't make sense and don't comport with political reality? we see a lot of that with the rappers who are talking about

why they support trump. kanye said when he wears the hat he feels like superman. what does that mean? sexy red. very popular rapper this year, last year, said that she supports trump because she appreciates the stimulus checks. joy, who was, which party was in terms of getting us those checks? >> it was nancy pelosi. >> so sexy red is giving credit to trump for something he did not do and that he opposed. but she doesn't sit around reading the new york times or watching your show. so she doesn't understand. she knows, when trump was president, i gotta check in the mail. i love that. let's do that again. >> you know, the thing is i will give him credit, about the marketing on. that he opposed the stimulus but he put that latter in with the stimulus checks so that people who got the physical checks in the mail thought he gave it to them. that was a genius marketing move.

maybe biden should maybe do that instead of doing border theater. maybe that's the thing. people do respond to the idea of someone doing something that impacts their lives directly, financially. that looks like good politics. >> i think implicit in this conversation is this notion that the right wing is trying to spread that more black men are going to the republican party and to trump. and as you have said on this show, we have seen about 15% of black men supporting the republican party since 1968. >> always. and they'll do it again. and we need to talk about the six and ten white voters that are gonna fight for trump. all 14% of black men who vote for trump did it again that's not gonna help him win. touri, my friend, thank you very much, i appreciate you. we'll be right back. be right b.

choose advil liqui-gels for faster, stronger and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ ( bell ringing) customize and save with libberty bibberty. liberty bushumal. libtreally blubatoo. mark that one. that was nice! i think you're supposed to stand over there. oh am i? thank you. so, a couple more? we'll just...we'll rip. we'll go quick. libu smeebo. libu bribu. limu bibu...and me. doug: he's an emu! only pay for what you need. jingle: ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

i'm jack black. get tickets right now for kung fu panda. you don't have time only for a drum solo. need. get tickets! [ screaming ] get tickets! skadoosh.

get tickets! >> before we go, i want to thank everyone who has come out to support me and my mentor and merely tour, washington d.c. showed up on monday politics and prose with me in the amazing michael beschloss. i'm headed to one of my absolute favorite cities this weekend, new orleans. i will be at baldwin and company this saturday at four pm central. grab your tickets by going to msnbc.com and i will see you there. that is tonight reidout. all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight in all in. >> i did everything right in the indicted me. >> a day after delaying justice for trump, the historic proof that a quick decision at the supreme court is possible. >> the justices seem determined to rule on this case quickly, well aware of the committee