basically, a main ideological test in today's republican party, the fact that ukraine has now become on the checklist, i think, is very bad news for supporters of ukraine. and that means that even moderate republicans who are from districts that voted for biden four years ago, remember, they are still members of the party. they want money for their competitive races. they want the former president not to attack them in his social media feeds, or in his campaign rallies. and so, there is a variety of reasons why they might be afraid to go up against the leader of the party on something like ukraine. >> well, the discharge petition ripens, i believe, the beginning of march. so, we shall see what happens. susan glasser, it's always great to talk with you, susan. thanks for your time tonight. >> great to be with you. >> that is our show for this evening. now it is time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell" them with my friend, lawrence o'donnell. o'donnell" them with my friend, lawrence o'donnell.

>> good, evening alex. mary trump is going to join us as -- see how that goes. >> that is going to be a very worthwhile conversation. >> and alex, i have a feeling -- i could be wrong. i have a feeling i have been arrested more than you have. >> i would venture to say that is probably true. >> it's all my first book, by the way, if you must know. >> yes. >> but i've never been re- arrested. so, the fbi did that today to the republicans star witness in the so-called biden impeachment process. but andrew weissmann east to work at the fbi. so, he's going to explain to me how you get re-arrested, and why you get reinvested for the same thing. so, that is coming up as well. >> i'm going to say, i don't think alexander smirnoff is the only one that is interested in the rearrest concept. i'm not going to say who else in the republican party might be. it just bringing it up.

>> right, right. thank, you alex. -- first guest tonight said this about her uncle. he is, quite simply, a loser. mary trump knows more about donald trump than any of us other will. and mary trump is sure that what you are about to hear letitia james, attorney general letitia james, say after winning a half billion dollar civil fraud judgment against donald trump will push him closer to the edge. >> if he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, we will seek a judgment enforcement mechanisms in court. and we will ask the judge to seize his assets. we are prepared to -- judgment is -- to new yorkers. and yes, i look at 41 street each and every day. >> mary trump writes, knowing donald as i do, here is why i know this statement will push

him closer to the edge. first, james implies that there is a possibility donald does not have enough cash to satisfy the judgment. that alone is enough to enrage him. james took it a step further. we are prepared to make sure that the judgment is paid to new yorkers. and yes, i look at 40 wall street each and every day. james said, referring to the trump building in manhattan. 40 wall street is the building that donald trump proudly proclaimed on 9/11 suddenly became with the tallest building in lower manhattan, immediately after the world trade center towers collapsed after a terrorist attack. >> 40 wall street actually was the second tallest building in downtown manhattan. and it was actually before the world trade center was the tallest. and -- world trade center became known as the second tallest, and now with the tallest. >> that is what was actually

happening. what was on the screen was what was actually happening while donald trump was saying that. the world trade center was burning. it was on its way to collapse. and all donald trump cared about when he was far away from that danger zone, the only thing that he could think about was the size of his building in lower manhattan. he was not even slightly worried that he might have lost a friend in the rubble at the world trade center. in fact, he did not know anyone who died that day, and never went to a single 9/11 funeral. although, years later, he lied about that and said that he, quote, lost hundreds of friends on 9/11, end quote. that was a complete lie. he lost no friends on 9/11. but he now could lose 40 wall street, if that is what it

takes to pay the judgment against him. donald trump's cognitive decline continues in plain view. >> we are going to take over washington city. we are going to federalize. we have very powerful crime. and you are going to be proud of it again. >> we are going to have very powerful crime. and you are going to be proud of it. now, imagine how many headlines there would be about that story if joe biden had said those exact words. donald trump gets to say, we are going to have a very powerful crime, and you are going to be proud of it. and no one in the news media even notices. and donald trump's declining -- he probably thought he was saying something. but the words that came out were idiotic. and that happens all the time.

what >> they come out with faucets were no water comes out. if you go and -- at home, you know what i mean. the shower has just ended, a shower, and there's no water coming. you end up standing there five times longer. >> again. imagine how the media would react if joe biden said that. and think about what donald trump just said. donald trump thinks that if a shower produces no water, you actually have to stand there five times longer. think about that. think about how that mind works. how long would you stay in your shower if no water was coming out? wouldn't you get out of there are a lot faster if no water is coming out? if someone told you that no water was coming out of their shower, would you then assume that they stay in the shower five times longer? that is how donald trump's mind works in cognitive decline.

donald trump said, and apparently believes, because of his cognitive decline, quote, they come out with faucets we are no water comes out. we will get mary trump's assessment of donald trump's cognitive decline in a moment. but for those of you who might not have heard donald trump speak, 25 years ago, when he was 52 years old, i found an amazing example of how donald trump spoke them in the brilliant rick burns, brother of can burns, documentary series about new york city produced in 1999. imagine my amazement watching an episode of that documentary, which tells the story of new york city, from the arrival of the dutch to the present day, using the insights of brilliant historians and new yorkers and new york legends, like senator

daniel patrick moynahan, who was an authoritative historian of new york in his own right. a series of distinguished, wise voices. and then, to suddenly hear a voice begin offscreen and sound strangely familiar. but it could not be that voice. could it? >> the reason the great skyscrapers went up in manhattan is that manhattan is an island a very powerful bedrock. it is granite and, basically, very, very high density rock, that, frankly, digging foundations is unbelievably difficult. you have to blast to build them. i have. and the buildings went up in manhattan because of the power of bedrock. once you dig that foundation, and when they dig, they really dig. they dig with dynamite. and once you dynamite out and

you secure that foundation, that building is not going anywhere. >> every word of that is true. who is that guy? that is not the same mind you are listening to today. donald trump went from saying that accurate and informative statement about building in new york city 25 years ago, to now saying, they come out with faucets where no water comes out. the showers. you stand under a shower, and there is no water coming out. and you say, you end up standing there five times longer. what happened to that mind over the last 25 years? and what is happening to that mind tonight? as attorney general of new york letitia james closes in on donald trump's assets. for the answer, we turn to mary

trump, a clinical psychologist and niece of donald trump. she is the author of the reckoning, our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal. mary trump, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. and i immediately thought of you sunday night, sitting there, and throws by this documentary series about new york city. and it was just like i said. i heard that voice and -- and i heard a little bit more. and then there he was. i was just stunned. it is completely clear. those are sentences. it is a paragraph. everything is true. it is a serious point about how you actually build on this island, and why you are able to build so high on this island. and then, i'm hearing him talk about people are buying faucets that water does not come out of. what happened? what happened from the guy who

said that and was able to say that in 1999 about construction? and now does not know how faucets were? >> lawrence, i think a couple of things are going on. and one is perhaps the most obvious. this is a person who has untreated psychiatric disorders. and any untreated disorder of any kind of worsens over time, as long as it remains untreated. so, it makes perfect sense that somebody who is as unhealthy as he is, who is under the extraordinary amount of stress he is under, would have a harder time holding it together cognitively. the other thing that i think is interesting, before i get to the second point, is that donald was always quite good when he was younger at sticking to a point. and he knew certain things about his business.

so, he could say perfectly reasonable statements like that with confidence. and let's be fair. he was very good at being in the media. and that is one of the main reasons my grandfather chose him to be his successor. because he had that kind of presence. so, the second point, though, that struck me in watching that, is that his target audience has changed dramatically in the ensue in decades. he used to be focused on becoming a part of new york city's upper crust in her circle. he desperately wanted to be part of that militia that militia milieau. -- now, he appeals to an audience that appreciates the kind of anecdotes about showers

that do not produce water, and that is full of the kind of invective and hatred that he is now become expert at. so, i think those kinds of things track together. >> i was struck by what you have gotten about, we are he is in relation to the edge, as a result of new york state attorney general letitia james closing in on him. and that specific line, she said in that television interview, about she looks at 40 wall street every day. is it your sense that attorney general james has figured out two things? how to beat donald trump in court, and how to drive him absolutely insane with statements like that? >> yeah. she has his number, for sure. and anybody who is from new york who has been paying attention for the last many decades knows what -- and what is so fascinating about this

chapter in his life is that he has finally reached the end of the road. when he was taking over for my grandfather, or when he was my grandfather's successor, and one who is going to film my grandfather's ambitions, he did not need skill. he needed skill as a real estate developer. he just needed the skill as the arrogant, self-confident, brash guy who played well on television. my grandfather always -- hundreds of millions of dollars to prop him up. we know that, after my grandfather died, donald sold the empire lock, stock and barrel, at a loss of approximately $300 million. so, he still had some cash on hand to keep it going. then he kept getting rehabilitated and rehabilitated. a.g. james knows better than anybody else that there is no buddy else left to hand donald a

blank check anymore. and that is what keeps him up at night. because he is terrified about having the truth about him be known, not just to other people, but to himself. because that is what has kept him going all these years. the lie that has become, in his own mind, the truth about what a great, successful man he is. >> so, his criminal trial in manhattan starts monday, march 25th, with jury selection. i get the sense from him, from my distance, that he is more disturbed at civil judgments that force him to pay money than he is at being criminally indicted, where there is not necessarily any sort of fine involved. >> you are absolutely right. and there are two reasons for this. the most obvious one is that money in my family was always the only currency. it stood in for everything else. the more you have, the more you are worth. as long as you have more than

other people, you are worth more in every sense of what that word means. and the other thing that is really important to keep in mind is that he no longer cares about the criminal trials. because, one, they won't necessarily cost him money. but two, they increase his street cred with his base and the republican party, which is a very devastating commentary on where we are as a country. >> so, as you go forward this year, when we are looking at what is bringing him to the edge, we should keep our eyes more on the civil cases and how is he coming up with the money, and how he is getting through that, and how he is in the criminal trials? >> i think that's absolutely the case, lawrence. >> mary trump, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. always glad to have you here.

>> thank you. >> and coming up, $87,502. that is how much donald trump's civil fraud judgment goes up every day because of interest on that judgment. that is next, with andrew weissmann and barbara mcquade. . ♪♪ plateau de fromage! oh la la! don't panic. gift easy with gift mode, new on etsy. i have moderate to severe crohn's disease. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are looking up, i've got symptom relief. ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. and the majority of people experienced long-lasting remission at one year.

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son hunter biden was re- arrested by the fbi in las vegas. alexander smirnoff had been ordered released by a magistrate judge on tuesday. but today prosecutors asked a federal judge in california to detain him. also today, donald trump owes another $87,502. that's how much the civil fraud judgment against donald trump goes up every day. a new analysis by abc news says former president donald trump owes an additional 87,500 dollar r $87,502 -- arthur engoron, according to calculations, based on the judges lengthy ruling the case, engoron ordered trump to pay pre- judgment interest on each ill gotten gains, with interest accruing on the date of each

transaction, as well as a 9% post judgment interest rate once the court enters the judgment in the case. and today, judge engoron refused to allow any delay in entering the judgment in the case. at the last minute today, donald trump's lawyers emailed judge arthur engoron, saying, as the court is well aware, the monitor that the court appointed remains in place. as such, there is no exigency or potential prejudice to the attorney general from a brief stay of enforcement of the judgment. to the contrary, the prejudice to the defendants is considerable. >> dear mr. robert, you failed to explain, much less justify, any basis for a stay. i am confident that the appellate division will protect your appellate rights. >> judge engoron has obviously ran out of patients with the clown car of trump lawyers and donald trump, who so unprofessionally it disrupted

his courtroom and humiliated themselves in the process. joining our discussion now andrew weissmann is, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. he is the co-host of the msnbc podcast prosecuting donald trump. also with us, also the coauthor of the trump indictments: the historic charging documents with commentary, and a label on february 27th. and barb mcquade is with us, a former u.s. attorney and law professor at the university of michigan law school. she's also co-host of the podcast sisters in law, and author of the upcoming book attack from within: how disinformation is sabotaging america. they are both msnbc legal analysts. andrew weissmann, how do you get your self re-arrested by the fbi? you used to work their. you must have seen this before. >> no, i haven't. >> okay, good. that's great.

we finally found something that you have not seen before at the fbi. >> yeah. so, the circumstances where you would get really rested would be if you are committing an additional crime. something new. that could happen. you did one crime, you are out on bail. and guess what? you are a recidivist and, you commit another crime, you could be re-arrested. what i have not seen -- and i was asking around when i saw this -- is an arrest warrant being issued and being re- arrested for the same crime. and the problem with that is a judge had already determined that he should be out on bail. you can appeal that. that is the right of the government. they can say that's wrong. they could seek a stay. those are the remedies. you don't really get to take the law and your own hands and say, you know what? i want to read arrest you. you need to go back to the judge. and you don't do that ex parte. you don't not do that with -- the defense, the -- be heard.

the only possible thing i could think of, and i was trying to think, how could this be proper and not just an affront to the judiciary? is if for some reason the government has new information about some imminent flight that mr. smirnoff was having, and they thought, they could not even tell the defense, because they needed to get their hands on him. but i think that is remote. but that is the only thing i could think of that would justify this. it really does not seem respectful for the way you are supposed to behave, especially when you are the government. >> barbara, have you ever seen anything like? it >> i haven't. and i agree with andrew's assessment of it. it's really unusual. nothing i've seen before. i do note, though, that on the docket in the central district of california, where the indictment was filed, there is reporting that there was sealed items on the docket sheet. so, it just there has been some additional activity there. that supports andrew's theory

that perhaps that there is more information here that is publicly known. i will also say that i was surprised that the magistrate judge released smirnoff in light of the circumstances. his contacts with russian intelligence. his family ties in israel. his access to $6 million. this is a classic case of a risk of flight. and so, it does seem that perhaps the government was very concerned about this. so, before i say they have done something that is wrong or highly irregular, i guess i would like to know what is in those sealed files that are on that docket sheet. >> andrew weissmann, $87,502 a day is the price increase for donald trump on the civil fraud judgment in new york that attorney general letitia james obtained. there is reporting today about donald trump shopping around two different companies trying to get some kind of bond to cover this, what would be more than half a billion dollars he would have to put down in order

to pursue the appeal here. and so far, no companies are interested. there was one expert saying, no company wants to take buildings as collateral in a situation like this. that just leaves them stuck trying to sell a building down the road when this thing the rails. what do you see happening here? >> i think it is important for people to remember that the reason that donald trump is in this position is because, after a full trial, where he can present evidence, he actually testified, he could cross examine, the judge entered this order, saying, this is the amount that i am discouraging of ill gotten gains, as if the analogy would be he robbed a bank and he has $400 million, and the judge says that has now got to be returned -- and every day that you don't pay, there is interest on that. because we are not letting you profit from your intentional

fraud that the court found. so, that is why he is in this situation. and the reason he needs to post this in court is so that the citizens of new york are protected while that appeal is pending, so that their assets, if the appeal is denied -- which i suspect it will be -- that there is money there. i think it is going to be very hard for him to figure out how he is going to pay this absent coming up with some third-party beneficiary. sort of elon musk, or a foreign person or country who is actually going to loan him the money. and that, obviously, has political repercussions in terms of the -- beholden to that person, if he were to be in office again. >> yeah, a compromised man becomes even more compromised. and barb mcquade, just so that -- this is standard in civil cases, if there is a judgment against you, and you want to

appeal it, there is going to be interest. and for some litigants, it is one of the reasons that they don't appeal, because they make this assessment. we probably won't win. and then we will owe even more money, because the interest at the end of the line. and so, they enter into some sort, of usually, negotiated settlement at that point to get out of this. and so there is nothing unusual about interest. donald trump's lawyer should have told him that was coming. >> yeah. no surprise here. they did ask for a state, for delays, so that they could appeal and work out some sort of bond situation before it happens. and the judge said, you have not explained why that is necessary, why that's appropriate. so, no. you are not getting that. the other reason, though, that this will exists, lawrence, is to avoid people taking frivolous appeals solely for the purpose of delaying the payment of their debt. a judgment has been entered against donald trump. and so, for every day he fails to pay that, he is a --

interest. if that money really belongs to the people of new york, they should have the benefit of that money. and so, that's how interest works. when you are holding my money, you have to pay for that right. and so, every day that donald trump holds this, he owes a debt, and that's an incentive to. debt, and that's an incentive to. weizmann, thank you for joining our discussion tonight. barbara, before you go, when is your book available? >> tuesday, february 27th, i will see you aythat night onset lawrence. >> perfect, we will see you then, thank . you very much for joining us tonight. coming up, while it is hard at this stage of a presidential election to trust the polls, it does help to be the candidate on the same side of issues like abortion access, gun control, and health care. and in fertilization. simon rosenberg will join us,

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>> i, for one, have little faith and pulls because of my form of experience with pulls in the first year that i was involved in a political campaign. 1988. and on july 22nd, 1988, the poll showed massachusetts governor, with a 17-point lead over the vice president of the united states, george h. w.

bush, the presidential campaign. a 17-point lead on election day, george bush won by eight points. 53 to 45. that pool in july, was only off by 25 points of what the final result would be. i mentioned that by way of apology because i am now going to present a pulled to you. in which i have little faith, because it is even farther away from the election and the 17- point lead. they have a poll of registered voters released yesterday, it shows president biden at 49, and trump at 45. that is a statistical time within the margin of error of the pool. but it always feels a little better when you see your candidate with the higher number. last night at this hour, during a fund-raiser in san francisco, president biden described the stakes in this presidential election campaign, saying quote, we can't take anything

for granted, trump and his maga friends are dividing, that's not uniting us. if you notice, they have no platform. you never see a party that doesn't have any platform going. no platform going into an election. none. every major meeting that i go to, i walk out of the meetings ahead of the state will find an excuse to come close to me and grandma arm and say you've got to win. not because i'm so special, you've got to win because my democracy is at stake if the other guy winds. nine heads of state have done that with me. nine. the stakes in the election also include health care, with donald trump promising once again to appeal ruled obamacare, which is now in 59% of adults, and opposed by 39%. the stakes also include, we discovered this week, in vitro fertilization. couples who have been struggling to have a baby are

now targeted enemies of the republican party. targeted enemies of the kinds of judges, another trump presidency would appoint. a reelected joe biden would continue to appoint federal judges who believe in reproductive freedom for women, and for couples rights to use in vitro fertilization. vice president, kamala harris, outlined more of the stakes in the election today, saying when we wind democratic majority seen congress, president joe biden will sign the following into law, a bill that reinstates the protections of roe v. wade, an assault weapons ban. the george floyd justice and policing act. and freedom to vote act. elections matter, donald trump and every republican matter of congress opposes every one of those things. joining our discussion now is simon rosenberg, democratic

strategist, and author of the opiate chronicles on -- so simon, donald trump came in second last time. which means that he has to get more votes this time than he got last time. i've not heard him say a single thing on a single issue to try to convince a voter who didn't vote for him last time to vote for him this time. doesn't donald trump have to change voters minds about him to win? >> i think that this is a very important point. donald trump is a far weaker candidate than he was in 2020. he's much further away from the electorate. he's far more degraded by the court cases and the things you are describing earlier. he is far more extreme, and far more dangerous. his performances far more erratic and disturbing. and he has gone into this madness when he is talking now. i think that they are going to have six things in this

election that people are going to come to learn about donald trump. they didn't know about him last time that i think they will make it very difficult for him to win. that he raped e. jean carroll in the department store dressing room. that he oversaw one of the largest financial frauds in american history. that he stole american secrets live with the fbi and share them with other people that he led an insurrection against the united states, and as promised to finish the job. if he's elected, that he and his family have taken more money from foreign governments than any family in american history and now we have this ongoing extremism around reproductive freedom and health, that is just shocking. andy singularly responsible for ushering in this kind of assault on women and freedoms. and their personal freedoms. i think all of these together, to me, paint a picture. when you put the whole elephant to gather, this is the ugliest political offering that we have seen since the democratic party in those days. this is an ugly and diminished figure and i think that the

idea that somehow you can look at all of this and see donald trump with strength rather than weakness, and him doing well rather than struggling, i think is a little bit too far. it is a bit too far in the political commentary these days. >> the strongest issue that donald trump has going for him was the strongest issue he had going for him last time. as distinguishing from joe biden, that is the security of the southern border. he lost last time, running on that issue against joe biden, joe biden has more vulnerability about it now because he has been in charge of the southern border as president. but we have a situation where donald trump ordered the republicans in the united states senate to abandon the bill that they negotiated themselves, and ordered house republicans not to vote for that bill which would have been the biggest legislative advance in security at the southern

border and possibly the history of the southern border. and so, he took away, in that way, much of his own issue. >> all that they have, their talking points about biden have evaporated in the last few months. the economy is strong, it isn't, weak inflation is not waging its way down, crime isn't exploding across the country with murder rates of violent crime rates dropping. there isn't any kind of energy. we saw more domestic oil in renewables produced last year than any year in american history. what they have left was the border. this was their big issue and they bungled it badly because of trump's impulsivity. his madness. his craziness that he somehow believes that by keeping the border open, and immigrants flowing into the country will help him. we just saw this litigated in new york. this was the major issue in the new york race. and we won that race by eight points, because what tom suozzi was able to say is if you want the border to be secure, and

for there to be order on the border, and fewer immigrants coming into the country, you should work with democrats. if you want the border could be chaotic, and chaos in cities with immigrants pouring into the cities, and you should be with the republicans. how they put themselves in this position is one of the biggest political areas that we've seen in this election. it goes back to this idea that he has descended into this form of madness and extremism, and that he's impulsive, and he's making extraordinary in the states that are going to make it much easier for us to, win so in every way possible, we have this basic view, joe biden has been a good president, the country is better, off the democratic party is strong into winning elections all over the country and they have trump, the most and fit guy to ever run for president in american history, i will take those odds. >> simon rosenberg, thank you very much for joining us again tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. >> coming, up while donald trump continues to compare his legal problems with what alexei navalny went through before

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a democratic candidate who said, and did this today. >> this morning about the honor of meeting with alexia navalny's wife, and daughter. as to state the obvious, he was a man of incredible courage. it is amazing how his wife and daughter are emulating that. we are going to be announcing the sanctions against putin, who is responsible for his death, tomorrow. and if there is one thing that was made clear to me, is that she is going to continue to fight. they are not letting up. >> alexei navalny's mother says that she was finally allowed to view her son's body, wednesday night, in a russian morgue while there, she says, she was threatened and blackmailed by russian authorities to hold a secret funeral for her son,

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america. thank you very much for joining us tonight. we are here to talk to you this week after the tragedy of alexei navalny's murder last week. and i want to begin with your reflections, on alexei navalny, what he has meant to russia, and what his martyrdom won't mean to russia. >> the most important thing to say about election volley is that he was a courageous person. in a time when i worry that fear is rising in our politics, and we're fear is so important to the collapse of democracy around the world. he was courageous. he was courageous enough to tell the russian people that they were being ruled by crooks and thieves. he was courageous enough to return to russia after he had been poisoned, knowing he would be imprisoned. he was courageous enough to tell the truth about all of, archaeologists something that

we could all use. i think his death not only deprives russia of a hope for a different future, it is an example of how putin has tried to crush the generation younger than him, and the generations younger than dot. it is a sign of how it kind of authoritarian gerontocracy is removing in the future from russia. >> is there something in the russian people that somehow supports this kind of heroism? because it is so difficult for me to think of a contemporary american counterpart. we have martin luther king jr. day, decades ago, but a contemporary american counterpart to alexei navalny is hard to imagine. and i think of nadia, and others who have spent years in russian prisons and still, are in this fight. >> i can't help but think, of

course, also, of the numerous ukrainian citizens not just prisoners of war, but simply ukrainian citizens who have been kidnapped under held in russian prisons. and the numerous ukrainian intellectuals who are people of culture, people of all walks of life who are courageously fighting against russia and risking their lives right now. many other people have been killed by putin, sadly, since navalny was killed. i think that russians, there is a proud russian liberal tradition of risking ones life for the truth. and i think that the people who do it know that the truth, the truth is, in a way, the very last resort. it is the last thing that you have. and i think that that is why you will see, along with navalny among the list of people who have been killed by putin, so many journalists. >> what does, whatever the stakes as you see them tonight, in a presidential election

between donald trump, and joe biden, on the issues we are talking about here? >> navalny, one of navalny's most important things that he has said is don't be afraid. and that really is the thing. if you are the republican party, and you are afraid of trump, you've already given up on democracy. if you are the democrats and you are afraid, instead of trying to win, then your chances are lower in november. if you are, trump which you already said is that you want to look up your opponents just putin looks up his opponents. so we could go in that direction if we elect the wrong person. things can go very quickly the wrong way. we could look much more like that country. we could look much more like a country where there is a widow, and a daughter who are grieving. we could look more like the country where the mother can't even get access to the body of her son. and it could happen very quickly, unfortunately politicians who like that model. i would say pretty much everything is at stake.

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