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♪ ♪ ♪ welcome to prime time week, and i am alex wagner. let's get right to the week's top stories. >> he is tall, lean, and blond, with dazzling white teeth, and he looks ever so much like robert redford. he dates slinky fashion models, belongs to the most elegant clubs, and at only 30 years of age, estimates that he is worth more than 200 million. that is how the new york times described donald trump in 1976. if you asked donald trump then

and now, he'd say his most valuable asset was his brand. and for decades, the name trump has been synonymous with wealth. trump promoted himself to the world as a business genius, want to be rich? be like trump. >> you walk down the street sometimes, and people will touch you just for the good luck. >> i've never figured that out of never really understood it. but it's something that's been happening. and i took great offense that. and now i guess not to get at considered a compliment. i don't know what it is. but perhaps they're going into a deal, or they're going up to atlantic city. or they went someplace and they just want to have a little luck. >> but the myth of trump has always been riddled with inconsistencies. in 1987, trump came out with what will become the cornerstone of his business franchise, the art of the deal. years later, trump's ghost writer who actually wrote the book, told the new yorker that he felt like he had put lipstick on a pig. in reality, trump's businesses have failed, over and over

again. he bought an airline, it tanked. he bought a football team, the league folded. and still, donald trump managed to sell the public this idea that he was the monopoly man. >> -- trump's gotta new deal. >> what's his game? >> trump has a new game! -- >> my new game is trump, the game. >> trump, the game, -- where you deal for everything you've ever wanted to own. because it's not what you win or lose, it's whether you win. >> trump, the game, from -- >> i think you'll like it. >> trump even lost money on casinos, not in them, on them. as an owner. in the early 90s, three different trump casinos in atlantic city filed for bankruptcy. you have to be astoundingly bad business to not make money as a casino owner. but still, donald trump convinced the public heat was

the epitome of success. >> i've mastered the art of the deal. i've turned the name trump into the highest quality brand. and as the master, i want to pass along my knowledge to somebody else. i'm looking for, the apprentice. >> everywhere you looked, trump was on tv, reminding you how rich he was, how profitable his businesses were, how lucky you were to be associated with him. >> it's great to be here, on saturday night live. but, i'll be completely honest, it's even better for saturday night live, that i'm here. [laughter] >> trump stuck his name on everything from golf courses and departments, to vodka and stakes. there is even a trump urine test, because why not. if trump was involved, it was good business. even if it was a year and test. so that was the story that launched trump's political

career. and ultimately, the story that one in the white house. but again, the myth did not always match up with reality. in 2016, trump was forced to pay $25 million to settle a lawsuit, claiming that the university he stuck his name on was defrauding students, vaguely. in 2019, new york dissolved trump's charity, and find him $2 million, because as it turns out, trump had been using it as a charity for donald trump. but still, if you asked the man himself, the trump name remained sterling. >> probably my most valuable asset, i think you've got to include it on your statement, and that's the brand. i mean, i became president because of the brand. okay, i became president. i think it's the hottest ran in the world. >> that was trump's video deposition from his civil fraud trial in new york city. the case where today, the myth of donald trump came to an end. today, a new york judge, justice arthur engoron, ordered

trump to pay a colossal penalty, which with interest, will exceed 400 and $50 million. justice engoron also barred mr. trump from serving in any leadership roles in any new york company, including the one that bears his name, the trump organization, for three years. now, the reason this penalty is so massive, it is because the fraud was too. as justice engoron put it in his ruling today, the frauds found here leap off of the page, and shocked the conscience. new york attorney general letitia james investigated trump and his businesses for years. and what she found was that trump had been fraudulently inflating his net worth by billions of dollars for decades. and i don't just mean in the press and on tv ads for trump year and tests. but in financial statements and loan applications. and that meant not only was trump tricking the public into thinking he was wildly

successful, he was tricking banks and insurance companies, into giving him loans and rates that he didn't actually qualify for. he cheated. he is a cheat. and making sure that no one cheats, that the world of new york business plays by the rules, is central to judge engoron's decision today. this court is not constituted to judge morality, it is constituted to find facts and apply the law. and this particular case, in applying the law to the facts, the court intends to protect the integrity of the financial marketplace, and thus, the public as a whole. that protection includes penalty for past wrongs, and insurance against future ones. so in addition to freezing the trumps out of their family business for three years, the judge is keeping an independent monitor on a watch, and he is appointing an independent director of compliance, at the

trump organization. and iran explained that without all of this, the cheating might never. defendants refusal to admit error, and indeed to continue at, constrains this court to conclude that they will engage in a going forward, unless judicially restraint. as donald trump tells it, people used to touch him for luck when he was walking down the street. today, it seems like he might be all out of it. joining me now to discuss today's ruling are my good friends and colleagues, the hardest bookings in america, rachel maddow and lawrence o'donnell. guys, thank you so much for being here on this momentous day. i am honored to have you on this program. rachel, we haven't heard from you today, lawrence, we haven't heard from you today. rachel, i will just let you get the first were here but, what was your reaction to it feels like a day of reckoning for donald trump? >> it is a day of reckoning, almost literally, for sure. and it is also one of a number of really important court proceedings that are going to have really important

consequences for him. and, i feel like once i read as much as i could of the ruling, a lot of it is, dense but a lot of it just makes sense. once you understand exactly what he is ordering, once we saw his changes explanation of what happened, we saw trump's reaction to it, i kind of sat back and i realized, my biggest take away from this is that we need to protect the rule of law. that, this is a candidate who is promising to basically dismantle the american system of government. he has been raging against the judiciary, and judges and juries and lawyers, and plaintiffs, and the whole system that is starting to hold him to account. he wants to get back into power, he is fully saying, it because he essentially wants to dismantle the whole thing. and for all of the institutions that have failed against what donald trump is offering, as an anti-democratic small d democratic, essentially

authoritarian candidate, the institution that has been the least, that has stood up the best again his assault is the judicial branch of government, is the rule of law. and we need to protect, we we need to protect judge engoron, we need to protect letitia james. we need to protect e. jean carroll, we need to protect her lawyers, we need to protect the jurors, we need to protect fani willis. and we should talk about that, because that is happening right now. but, we need to protect jack smith, we need to protect judge cannon and judge chutkan. we need to protect the people who are manning the barricades, on this one branch of government that is doing its job, despite what has been a really, really i think pointed assault from trump and his supporters, that is about to get way more intense. >> yeah, lawrence, rachael made such an essential point about the branch of government that is holding democracy aloft. i wonder what you thought of the ruling? >> first of all, on your trip down from memory lane, i

thought i had nothing to learn. then came, i learned tonight, about the trump year and test. i am sorry. >> i -- my -- as you mentioned three times. you know trump urine and. -- yeah, i have no idea he was that interested in >> urine well. >> yeah. >> i'll say it. >> okay, good. so i just needed to. >> leave that right there. >> i know there are people in the audience who were still processing urine that and i want to help them with it and move on to this but so, i have spent my entire life professional life, in and out of courtrooms, following cases very closely. some cases, every single day in the courtroom. and there are some cases that are predictable. and so when you get to verdict, it doesn't feel quite so momentous, or like something has changed, because it was the only logical verdict. this trump verdict today was the most predictable trump verdict we will ever have. because there was no jury.

jury still contain suspense. no jury, one fact finder, the judge. he made it very clear, because he is a rational human being, as the proceeding was going on, that all of this was outrageous. that donald trump's conduct in the room was outrageous, everything about it was outrageous. and so, he returns to this verdict, that we could have kind of guest the number within $10 million, because it was the number that kept being set. and yet, and yet, it truly is, and it landed with me, as something truly momentous. that here is this former president, current presidential candidate, on his way to the nomination. and he is now very clearly on his way to what could be functional bankruptcy for him. because, the lawsuits that i think people have left too far into the back of mind, might actually be the most expensive things he is facing, which are the lawsuits by police officers in washington d. c., for what happened to them on january

6th. we saw with the defamation verdict was against rudy giuliani in washington d. c., over 100 million dollars. donald trump could get hit with a verdict like this, against an individual police officer in washington d. c.. so, he could be facing over a billion dollars in these kinds of must pay penalties. >> civil trials. >> yes. which raises this other, deep threat to the possibility of a another trump presidency. which is, how will he, how will he pay these things? and the answer is, jared kushner knows a guy. and the guy is in saudi arabia, and how many billion do you need? >> yeah i mean, that raises a really important question rachel which is, it is not good for democracy. and -- raise this point, it is not good for democracy and transparency and rule of law, for donald trump to face a really steep bill.

not because he shouldn't have to face it, but because as lawrence said, this leads you down inevitably the rabbit hole of which country is going to pay this tab, affectedly. >> yeah. i mean, when i was reading that part of judge engoron's ruling today, about how one of the restrictions here is that the trump organization can't get loans from any bank that is registered in new york. things, when you cover financial trials and any trials that end up, for example, in -- just because there is a financial institution involved. the shorthand that you do when covering these things is oh yeah, all financial institutions are registered to do business in new york. new york is the financial capital of the world. and so, that is why they have jurisdiction over everything financial. but what lawrence says is exactly right. yeah you know, it was a mysterious russian bank that funded marine le pen in her pseudo-fascist run at the french presidency. and it's, inexplicably, it's saudi arabia that has given two billion dollars to jared kushner for his great service in public life.

which he now says he is not going to return to. so i mean, the financial penalties here have incredible potential consequences, in terms of the types of entanglements that trump will have absolutely no problem dragging into the white house with him, if he is reelected. against trump. and i have to ask you, we are going to continue this conversation, i'm going to say preemptively, before anybody thinks i'm going to let you ay guys go. but lawrence, you bring up the civil cases, and i wonder, there is a huge question mark hanging over whether or not these federal criminal trials actually see the light of day this year, before the election. if the american public only is able to hold donald trump accountable in a civil fashion

a la e. jean carroll, a la letitia james, over ethe first responders and a police officer at january 6th, is that sufficient? is that enough? >> first of all, i ffdon't thin that is going to be enthe outcome, for a couple of reasons. the first reason being, i don't trump is going ou to win the presidency. therefor, with that belief, i don't particularly care when the trials happens, the federal trials. everyone is worried about federal trials before election, because they are afraid if you don't get those federal trials done before the election, then donald trump becomes president, and he kills them. well under that theory, he kills them anyway, because they would be on appeal. if he was convicted, they would be on appeal. but i don't believe he is going to be president, i believe you're gonna see every one of these cases go all of the way to their conclusions. and he will bear whatever criminal burden he whas to bea as a convicted defendant in those cases. it's worth noting, none of them involve cta mandatory minimum

sentence. so, the highest likelihood, which is i know dissatisfaction to a lot of people, but it is a version of hell for trump, would t be home confinement. imagine spending the summer in florida, that emwould be for him. e >> a fair point, my friend. and what if that, t,the pool floods the server f room again? >> primetime weekend continues ahead with my colleague chris hayes. >> fireworks from fani willis, as the georgia prosecutor fights back against trump's lawyers. that's next. lawyers. that's next.

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we are expecting some explosive moments in the criminal trials of donald trump. today in atlanta was quite a day. there was drama, there was yelling, and none of involved trump. he wasn't even there. the center of all this fire and fury, the person being scrutinized on the stand by multiple lawyers, was the woman who is prosecuting donald trump, fulton county district attorney fani willis. >> i object to -- you've been intrusive into peoples personal lives, you are confused, you think i am on trial. these people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020, i am not on trial, no matter how hard you try to put me on trial. >> so my question was, you have -- >> i object to you getting any personal records of mine. >> what was that? how do we get here?

well, of all of the criminal cases facing donald trump, the election racketeering case in fulton county georgia seemed, in many ways, the most damning. i mean, that was the one where trump plotted to steal the states electoral votes in 2020. and crucially in this case, there was trump on tape, literally telling the states top election official to find him exactly the number of votes he need to win. there were four co-conspirators in that scheme, who pled guilty, and started cooperating with prosecutors. and now, the case is in complete jeopardy, over allegations of misconduct by willis, the dea who brought the case. and that was the subject of today's hearings. lawyers for the defendants say, well he -- accepted favors, and carried on an affair with a lawyer named nathan -- seen testifying there, who she then brought in to work on the trump prosecution. willis was on the stand today for just over two hours, where she admitted to a -- romantic

relationship with wade, but said it started after they were working together, and ended last summer on the same time the trump indictment came down. >> the romantic relationship ended before the indictment was returned, yes or no? >> to a man, yes. >> to a man yes, to you know? >> she's explaining. >> and the forthcoming indictment, didn't have anything to do with that? >> or was it just a coincidence? >> mr., -- to have the conversation. >> i'm just asking you whether or not -- >> it had absolutely nothing to do with this. >> willis arrived fired up, and ready to parry with the defense lawyers. people didn't know she was going to stand -- at one point, she was ordered to the stand, and the office objected, and she was like, i want to talk. and as those lawyers -- about willis's real intimate personal life, they scrutinized her spending, her romantic and sexual habits, her trips, each and every place she lived,

which was quite a few. after she said her address was publicized, she began to receive threats from pro trump extremists. and through it all, they demanded to know about her outside of the office encounters with wade. >> mr. wade visited you at the place you lay your head? has he ever visited you at the place you laid your head? >> well let's be clear, because you lied. and i'm going to tell you which when you lied about. i think you lied right here. no no no, this is the truth. it is a lie, it is a lie! -- >> and we're going to take five minutes. >> attorneys to the defendants came back again and again to the meals and the trips that willis and wade took together. >> you are -- from two 2022, -- disclosure form, did not list any of the thousands and thousands of dollars that mr. wade paid for on trips that you were on. is that correct? >> that's because mr. wade was paid that money back.

or, he was paid due to the fact that i bought the plane ticket, or i played for the hotel. there was never money that he gave me. that wasn't the nature of our relationship. >> so, there are some serious questions here, maybe that willis's answers are not satisfactory. there is, at the very least an appearance of impropriety, but as you heard her say, she is not the one in trial. remember what this, it's a racketeering case of -- who were accused of conspiring to steal georgia 16 electoral votes away from their rightful winner, joe biden. but more importantly, away from the voters who voted for joe biden. it is an unprecedented, unquestionably necessary case to press for the future of democratic elections in the united states. what's mind-blowing is that these searing, probing questions into the personal life of trump's prosecutor could possibly sink that case. >> katie phang is the host of the katie phang show, here on msnbc, as well as an attorney. melissa -- is a university of georgia law professor, who

actually work on the fulton county d. a. office with fani willis. they both join me now. katie, i'm going to start with you. you are down there, you are covering it all day. and before we go into some of the details here, i just want to, i think i watched the whole thing not knowing, what is the threshold legal question here? what has to be demonstrated to get it over the line, such that fani willis is disqualified from this case? what do they have to show for that to be the case? >> -- and i'm grateful, chris, for that question. because it is all about the law. the legal proceeding took place today, and evidentiary hearings in georgia, the law is as follows, to disqualify a prosecutor from a case. you have to have an actual, not a speculative or theoretical, conflict of interest. when do you have that conflict of interest? well, for example, when a prosecutor has a personal financial stake in a defendants conviction. and so, the defense has the burden in this case, chris, to

be able to prove through evidence, not through innuendo, not through salacious rumors, about when affairs were had or not. but evidence has to be entered into the record, it cannot be hearsay, it has to be first hand, i witnessed firsthand testimony, and evidence about what has occurred. and the reason why i emphasize the law is because even though you even suggest that perhaps there is an appearance of impropriety, it doesn't make a difference, unless there is an actual conflict of interest. >> melissa, let me ask you, as someone who worked in that office and knows fani willis. it was striking, just at a certain personal level, to see her chomping at the bit, to go defend herself today, even when if i'm not mistaken, i think her office's lawyer objected to her sitting, and she went in for two hours. i'm just curious, as someone who knows, or what you thought of that? >> well, i have to clarify, i don't know her personally. but i have seen her in action. and what we saw today was basically how i would see her in trial. and basically, ready for war. she has had her integrity

questioned, she has had her decision-making questioned. sometimes are intelligence questioned as to why she made the decisions she made as a duly elected prosecutor. in one of the largest counties in georgia. and so, you can imagine she is offended, and she wanted to have an opportunity to tell her side of the story. i don't think it's akin to a defense attorney telling their client, -- prove their case, make them pull up their evidence for us before we decide whether or not you need to testify. the attorneys i'm sure -- this motion to -- should be quashed. you don't need to testify, this is a fishing expedition, but miss willis apparently took the view that no, they wanted to have this conversation, let's have it, and that's we saw play out in court. >> primetime weekend continues ahead, with rachel maddow. rach.

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chippendales building? in new york city? that's its nickname. the chippendales big thing. it's in new york, midtown manhattan. from the ground, it looks like a normal new york office building. but then, up top, it's weird looking. the top of the building kind of looks like it's visiting from another object. right? the top looks like maybe a piece of furniture, or that's when the name came from. the chippendales building. it's the building version of a mullet. business building downstairs, some kind of weird uninviting party happening upstairs. the chippendales building in new york. some people love it, some people hate it. but if you want to see the critics point of view that this really is just a building with a whole other idea for a whole separate building plugged awkwardly on top of it -- kind of a hat on a horse element to it, i think you can see the critics perspective really clearly if you see it alongside another building that was made

by the same architect, where he seemed to be pursuing the same kind of idea. so here's that other building. same guy made both of these. and you can see the idea carry through from one to the other. in both cases, what you've got is a normal building, maybe even kind of an attractive building, with a whole other building just dropped on top of it like an afterthought. or like a joke. the one on the left is the chippendales building in new york, the one on the right is at the university of houston. that's their architecture school there, sadly, both designed by the same guy. a man named philip johnson. and poor houston. houston is a great american city, one of my favorite cities in the country, but he stun has a lot of philip johnston buildings around. we more than their quota, i think, way more than houston

deserved. they're kind of the iconic buildings of the houston skyline, and there is solace office parks. this is a matter of taste. don't get me wrong. they're definitely lots of people who love philip johnson as an architect. people like vodka martinis, to. to each his own. no accounting for taste. but it does remain one of the mains gallatin's not quite in the closet of american architecture that this guy, philip johnson, probably the most famous and well-known and prolific american modernist architect, philip johnston, was also a raging fascist. philip johnson wrote admiring reviews of mein kampf. philip johnson went to germany in 19 -- hitler youth rally.

filip johnson's tried to start his own fascist political party in the united states which he wanted to be an armed faction that would become the single party in a one party fascist state. he tried to form a paramilitary group in addition to the fascist political party that was modeled explicitly on hitler's brownshirts and mussolini's blackshire's. philip johnson called his group the gray suits. -- personal play role, and paid their living expenses so they could continue their work as fascist intellectuals and writers. philip johnson wrote eugenics based essays about how the white race was dying and needed to be rescued. we philip johnson, very famous american architect, was a world- class american fascist. and in 1939, when german troops invaded poland and started world war ii, philip johnson was invited along to poland to cover the fun. he was invited by the german government. reporters and correspondents for major news organizations were covering the invasion and its aftermath. that was not unusual. but it was unusual that philip

johnson be invited to be there too, because he wasn't really a journalist. he was an american pro nazi fascist activists and would be architect. but he was nevertheless invited along by the germans to cover their magnificent invasion. and he filed articles about it for the pro fascist newsletter that was put out in america by father charles kawkawlin. and what philip johnson wrote about, the nazis starting world war ii, poland was asking for it. that poland had given -- hitler and the nazis had just invaded poland and started with our two, but really, poland made hitler do it. they stopped cooperating with him the way he wanted, so he had to invade, and it was their fault. really, philip johnson further explained, it seemed like

hitler should have invaded poland. he wrote up that invasion as if hitler had done poland a real favor. because among other things, poland was really full of jews. philip johnson was not a very reliable observer of what was going on in that invasion that started world war ii, but he was a great stenographer of exactly what hitler and the nazis themselves wanted the world to think about what they did. -- conveying they're absolutely ridiculous, self exculpatory cover story. in no contemporary journalism, in no history since then, did poland start world war ii. in no world did poland force hitler to invade poland. not since the nazis cooked up as a ridiculous joke in 1939, and committed -- wrote it down

for them and tried to spread it around the american public, not an 85 years has anybody tried to sell that kind of horse hockey fairytale of who started world war ii to the american people. until now. now, it's back. thursday night, a new interview with russian president vladimir putin, with a former fox news host, was posted online. and if you heard anything about it, i'm gonna guess that you probably read news articles about it that described the interview as boring. you might have read that it started with putin giving a long, unacceptable, and boring history lecture that went on and on and didn't seem to have a point, and that definitely lost most of its american audience. all true. except for the part of the history lecture where putin got to 1939. at which point he then claimed, in this interview, that it was poland who started world war

ii. poland did it. because even though poland had cooperated with hitler up to a point, they stopped cooperating with hitler when hitler really wanted them to cooperate more, and once that happened, hitler had no choice, he just had to invade, and by the way, it was kind of doing poland a favor. exact same lie. we haven't had someone trying to sell this line to an american audience since that happened the first time in 1939. right? with philip johnson's quote unquote reporting, right? when with him, we had a committed american fascist allied with nazis openly rooting for them, trying to sell us this bill of goods. that happened in 1939, it hasn't happened since. and the reason putin is trying to sell us, the american public, this bizarre line now is more worrying than it is interesting. it might be boring, but it is worrying. here's russian journalist --

explaining it for an american audience in the new yorker. in a piece that i really highly recommend that you take a look at, if you can, in the new yorker. he says this. quote, i can't get one passage out of my mind. in the history lecture portion of the interview, when putin got to 1939, he said, poland cooperated with germany, but then it refused to comply with hitler's demand. polls forced him, they overplayed their hand, and they forced hitler to start the second world war by attacking poland. poland forced hitler to invade them. the idea, he says, the idea that the victim of the attacks serves as its instigator by forcing the hand of the aggressor. that is central to all of putin's explanations for russia's war in ukraine. he says, though, to my knowledge, this is the first time putin described hitler's aggression in these same terms.

-- suggests that in his mind, you might see himself as hitler. but perhaps a wilier one, one that can make inroads into the united states and create an alliance with its presumed future president. it's telling too, he continues, that putin took the time to accuse poland of both allying with nazi germany and inciting hitler's aggression. as he's done with ukraine in the past, he's positioning poland as the heir to nazism. he mentioned poland more than 50 times in this conversation with tucker carlson. if i were poland, i'd be scared, end quote. vladimir putin is selling a new line to americans. he's saying that poland is the real aggressor that we should blame for world war ii, and he's starting to use the same language, starting to cite the same weird reasons he used to justify invading ukraine, when

he talks about poland. and what's really important to understand about that is that poland is a nato country, they have been for 25 years now. we are a nato country too. and if putin decides that he doesn't just want to invade ukraine, which he's done twice now since 2014, and he doesn't just want to invade georgia and moldova as well, which he's also invaded. if he decides, as he's threatening here, that he's gonna start shooting poland to, trying to take land in poland, that would be putin and russia attacking nato, which would oblige the other 30 nato countries in the world, including us, to come to their rescue against russia. or maybe not! less than 48 hours after that interview posted online, former president donald trump, at a rally, said if he's president again, basically, he would not honor that commitment.

he appears to have made up a conversation with what he called the leader of a, quote, large nato country, in which he said he told this later that if that country were attacked by russia, quote, i would not protect you. he said, quote, in fact, i would encourage them, meaning russia, to do whatever the hell they want. as david sanger wrote in the new york times today, the larger implication of his statement is that he, trump, might invite president vladimir putin of russia to pick off a nato nation as a warning and a lesson to the 30 or so others in nato about heeding mr. trump's demands. i have to stress here that trump really did use the word encourage. he did not say that the united states would sit idly by in case russia invaded a nato ally, he said he would encourage russia to go after one of our allies. he would encourage them.

in other words, he would tell russia to go take that one of our allies with the assurance that we do nothing to help. this is happening within 48 hours of putin telling a handpicked interviewer which countries he thinks really have had it coming. and he's got one of them in nato at the top of his list. but don't forget, president biden's three years older than that guy, so obviously, there's equally enormous risk in picking either of these candidates to be president of the united states. one is obviously old, one is also old and facing 91 felony charges and saying he will literally encourage russia to expand its war to hit our allies, while russia's dictator is signaling to an american audience that he plans to do just that. lots of other countries, i'm sad to say it, but lots of other countries have to deal with former presidents and prime ministers facing criminal charges. it's awful and complicated and fraught, and nobody in this country wishes that we had to deal with that, but now, we do. that said, take comfort in the

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