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welcome back to the weekend everyone. the georgia racketeering case against donald trump and his codefendants remained in the boat this morning after two drama filled days of testimony in a hearing to determine whether fulton county district attorney, fani willis, can remain the prosecutor on the case. it could be another week, or even more, until judge scott mcafee determines if willis should be thrown off the case over past relationship with special prosecutor, nathan wade. the defense into arguing the dating lives present a conflict of interest because of financial gain.

joining us now former federal prosecutor, mr. greenberg, an msnbc greenberg -- analyst anthony coley. also a former senior adviser to attorney general merrick garland. thank you all for being here. >> there were a lot of really powerful moments throughout this testimony. i want to make sure that we hear willis in her own words about who is actually on trial here. take a listen. >> you've been intrusive into peoples person alive. you're confused, you think i'm on trial. these people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. i am not on trial, no matter how try or do you try to put me on trial. >> i want to be crystal clear in the eyes of this judge, judge mcafee, the conflict would be if fani willis benefited financially from wade's contract, which is why there was so much back and forth about the timeline. so much back and forth about repayment of trips. any definitive evidence presented this week that she did in fact benefit

financially? >> no. i will say i thought this hearing was a disgrace. it was an evidentiary hearing that was really devoid of evidence. i think we should call it what it is. this is a smear campaign against the d.a.. the defense presented absolutely no evidence that she had any improper evidence from her relationship with nathan wade. they called to witnesses. a former friend of the d.a. who left the job from her office. apparently there was some dispute. and a former law partner who was supposed to be the star witness. former law partner, nathan wade, who was also his divorce attorney at one point. he had nothing to say. again, these are two people who had an ax to grind and i don't think anything they will be able to share will really be found credible. i think it is important to know there were no kickbacks here. this is not a lucrative gig. you have the former governor of the state testify and say he

turned this down because there wasn't to be had from it. nathan wade testified he never even bought fani willis a gift in over a year of dating. if anything she took him on a trip to belize. there is no evidence whatsoever that she financially benefited here. there is no actual conflict of interest. what are we looking at? whether or not there is the appearance of impropriety? we are grasping at straws here. the grad stakes are far too high to have this low of a threshold to try to disqualify a prosecutor who spent two and a half years investigating this case from doing her work. >> d.a. fani willis was very clear to that point that christie just made. a lot of these things are just lies. i want to play, i believe it is sound three, d.a. fani willis clearly cause at the court and saying it is a lie in a back and forth with one of the trump attorneys, merchant, and this merchant. >> mr. wade visited you at the

place you laid your head? >> when? >> has he ever visited you at the place you later. had >> let's be clear, you lied. i wanna tell you which when you lie. data think you lied right here. now, this is the truth. this is a lie. this is a lie. >> there were a number of moments. i thought she came in hot first. you know? i know it is personal. but then when she got into it and laid out her tracks you saw this interesting transition from being a person who is a witness in her own case but also a dea trying to prosecute the prosecution. >> let's be clear here, right. she understood the assignment. in the meantime she had a can of what passed for everybody. you get a can, you get a cannon. >> let's open it all up at the

same time! >> absolutely. [laughs] let's be clear about what is really going on here. this is an offensive play by the defendants to try to muddy up this district attorney. trying to bring her down a peg or two. in the meantime they're also trying to undermine public confidence in this underlying case against donald trump which is already resulted in four guilty pleas. this is a tight case that she and nathan wade have put together. to be clear here the reason that makes this case so tight are the witnesses that are said to testify on behalf of the state. we are talking about conservative republicans. >> they are all republicans. >> people who supported donald trump who wanted donald trump to win and they will testify under oath and on camera to the of efforts that donald trump took to overturn the will of georgia voters even after a hand recount certify the election. that is what is happening here. we all have to be clear about

that. >> i think that is exactly right, alicia. you find yourself in this vortex largely created by trump and his lawyers. mixing up the names and the game, right? to get everyone confused about who is doing what. at the end of the day, i think he's got it right, witnesses in this case or not democrats. they are not joe biden. they are not his justice department. it is his republicans who wanted him an offense. it is going to be interesting to see how we get this -- how it all squares out for the trial. >> especially because this is not going to be a jury, right? it essentially comes down to one judge. i want to play out what would happen if judge mcafee were to decide that the relationship constituted a conflict of interest. it means willis's entire office would effectively be dismissed. play out that hypothetical for me about what that then means for the timeline of what is a very important case vis-@-vis

election interference. >> if judge mcafee were to make that decision, again, there is no evidentiary record to make that decision if he were to disqualify her it would disqualify her whole office and then this would go to prosecuting council in georgia. that individual would have to find someone else, either he could appoint a private attorney, he could take the case himself when he could send it to another district attorney's office in georgia. but he also has no timeframe to be able to do that looking at the history as any indication, when fani willis was disqualified from prosecuting another individual, the lieutenant governor of georgia, i think that happened in 2022 and they still has not been a replacement prosecutor over that case. this if he made this decision in this case would be dead in the water. >> simone i don't know if you read at the same way but i was

so struck listening to fani willis's testimony when she talked about the loneliness, when she talked about the threats. there is the legal court, that is one thing. i defer to the lawyers on that but in the court of public opinion this really fell in some ways like a rorschach test for whether you are in person who have ever had her own credibility question. who has ever felt you had to defend yourself against smears. when i saw people responding, did she come into hot? did she do herself any favors? that seems to me to be part of the lens through which peoples own analysis with unfiltered. >> absolutely. we cannot talk about this without also highlighting the tone and tenor in that courtroom. the way in which the attorneys for trump spoke to district attorney fani willis. the way that different from the

way they spoke to former governor roy barnes. . the former governor of georgia took the stand. during d.a. fani willis's own testimony, she said nathan wade wasn't even her first choice for the special prosecutor. she actually wanted someone else. that someone else was roy barnes. he takes the stand, people are very differential. as i was watching yesterday, anthony, i heard charles coleman and melissa redmond talk about the good old boys club. how it sounded. you saw it play out in realtime. the deference given to roy barnes, former governor. who just for people who don't know, an older white gentlemen. the difference d.a. willis spoken to and frankly even fani willis's father. >> having grown up in the south i was not as surprised to see that. >> i'm not surprised! but the difference was clear. >> the difference was real and it was stark, right?

the thing the troubles me the most about this whole situation, and i am a huge funny with his fans. i love everything about her. how she argues the case, her entire presence! the thing that troubles me the most is she gave her opponents the ammunition to come at her. and i say this in the context of someone -- in 2020 when she was campaigning for this office she promised voters that she would not de a member of her staff. she made that commitment in the context of a heated race against a sitting district attorney who was facing sexual harassment allegations. what i wrote in a piece on msnbc.com is that while ill advised, this is a case a matter that is between her and her god her and the people of fulton county who voted for her. it has nothing to do with this underlying case against donald

trump and what he did to overturn the will of georgia voters. i want to be very clear, i have not talked to anybody. i spent a lot of time on the phone with people fulton county who support or who think it was a good idea who -- didn't think it was a good idea for her to date someone on her staff but they are very clear that this has nothing to do with her case -- >> her actions had nothing to do with donald trump's actions. >> the point you make about the promise she made on the campaign trail is interesting and proudly watch he made that statement in court that she does not view nathan wade as a member of her staff. that comment makes sense to me now. we are gonna learn some more because anthony christy, they are not going anywhere. after the break we are going to discuss donald trump's final pitch to the supreme court to delay the trial in his election subversion case. not this one, the other one. okay? later, is how speaker mike johnson a man with a plan when it comes government funding?

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donald trump has asked the supreme court temporarily blocked a lower court union denying him presidential unity. at the same time special counsel jack smith is urging the high court to reject that emergency request so trump's federal agents subject in trial can finally begin. heading to the court this, we

smith's office argued, quote, the nation has a compelling interest in the prompt resolution of this case. and all criminal cases, delay can be fatal to achieving just outcomes. kristy greenberg and anthony coley are back with us. >> the interesting thing about immunity is no one really fully understands what it means and how it plays out legally, how it can be used by defendants. in this particular case, kristie, help us understand the distinction that trump is trying to lean into with the supreme court case versus, as simone noted coming out of the last segment, not that immunity that we see another prosecutions. >> his argument is, essentially, he is above the law. he is not a president, he is a king. in this case he is able to defy a criminal law with impunity.

we saw this week the actions of what happens when putin is able to kill a political opponent. we do not want this in the country. if donald trump is allowed to be successful here and show that he has immunity from criminal law, that is where we are headed. that is what the hypotheticals and the oral arguments showed. this is really about if he is successful, which, again, i do not expect he would be. it is a frivolous argument. as jack smith claimed in his brief. it is a radical claim to say you are above criminal law. it would mean the collapse of separation of powers. you couldn't have congress legislate for the president. you couldn't have judiciary review anything related to the president. you could not have prosecutors prosecute the president. it would be a complete collapse of our system. it would undermine our democracy as we know it. >> you know, kristie, and anthony, i'm looking at a piece

on msnbc.com, actually. written by three lawyers. matthew sigmund, fred wortham heimer, and noah i see. they wrote this. every judge has overruled on the issue has rejected trump's claim of absolute immunity. under the courts own rules, which tree conflicting lower court rulings as the most compelling reason for intervention, that alone insufficient reason for the supreme court to deny review. do we -- i mean, i am asking you to make a bad here. kristie, first you. anthony, i want to know where your money is. that is the supreme court going to review this? >> right now the application from donald trump is to keep this on hold. not send it back to judge chutkan. it is not necessarily in the merits, yet. the legal move for donald trump to continue to have this on hold, he needs five votes from the supreme court and he has to show that he has a fair prospect of getting the majority of the supreme court

to reverse the unanimous d.c. court of appeals decision. there is just not a fair prospect that is going to happen. looking at the legal standard, donald trump's application should be denied. sent back to judge chutkan and she should be able to set a trial date. whether not the supreme court will do that, they decide, okay, we are not going to look at the legal standard. this is an important federal question that we want to put our stamp on it. maybe they will do. that but if they are just applying legal standard this should be denied. >> how about you, anthony? >> i have started reciting the first line of the serenity prayer. god give me the grace to accept the things i cannot change. who knows what the supreme court is going to do, right? my best guess is this case is going to star and then it will be over before labor day. save the tape. >> okay. >> you hear that? that is strong! i don't know. what? >> here is what i want to throw

to you, michael. i think of what judge corinth said in his new york ruling that the lack of contrition borders on pathological. the judges assessment that they were not contrite, that they did not believe they did anything wrong and they were not willing to admit they did anything wrong. couple that with the request for presidential immunity in light of the fact, michael, we are not just talking about the past four years. we are talking about the potential of a second term from a president who told us he wants to be a dictator on day one. you put that all together what does that say to you, michael? >> it says a lot to me, actually. it's that something to the core, believe it or not. despite everything that a lot of folks out there may think and believe about the supreme court, i still go back to this point. the chief justice, roberts, is a man who is trying to clean up that house. who is trying to fix some of

the issues internally. the last thing he needs is to layer on top of it and more political dirt. more political problems that come from, to be honest about it, trump and others. to your point, anthony, the supreme court takes a pass on this matter. just says, look, you know what? judge chutkan, you do your thing. you have set the parameters. here you have not run afoul of prevailing law. there is no reason for us now to go any further than you have gone on this matter. >> i think that is exactly right. i think that is the right framing. i want to put all of where we are right now into context. in the next week we are gonna have, we are gonna have some sense of where the supreme court is gonna come down on this. think about what has happened over the course of the last previous weeks. it tells me we are in a new season of accountability for

donald trump. e. jean carroll. he owes her $88 million. we found out this week a judge in new york has scheduled the first criminal trial of an american president, donald trump, to happen just six weeks from now. just yesterday we got this massive ruling with this civil case. striking at the heart of who donald trump supports to be. and uber successful business titan. now we know from a court of law that entire enterprise was built on a foundation of lies. this moment feels different to me. >> i do not think the supreme court is gonna go in and clean that up by giving him what he wants in regard to immunity or anything else. >> i'm gonna keep hope alive. >> start with the serenity. player kristy greenberg, anthony coley. thank you so much for being here. nbc's andrea mitchell joins us live from munich. she just spoke moments ago at the security conference with

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we want to go back to the munich security conference where vice president, kamala harris, reaffirmed american support for ukraine this morning. just a moment ago and's andrea mitchell spoke exclusively with the vice president didn't. nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell, joins us live right now in. pulling all kinds of duty. welcome andrea! give us a sense of what the vice president -- absolutely what the vice president had to say in your conversation with her this morning. >> it has been a busy day for the vice president and four presidents lynskey. he spoke to the conference, of course, as you know. criticize latimer putin for the death of alexei navalny, the

opposition leader. he came across the street and had a meeting with the vice president. their fifth meeting since the election and since the war began two years ago. they have met frequently. he's been to the white house frequently. he reaffirmed the strong support by the united states. the importance of the support in congress for ukraine. he talked about how critical it is at this juncture, thinking the american people. thinking president biden and the vice president. there was a joint press conference and he reiterated that thinking america but saying that this, now more than ever, is a critical time. if we don't get this american aid now we will be in a stalemate. we will be stuck, we will not be able to combat vladimir putin. he said that with this aid it won't be victory but we can at least push forward. pushing forward is all that matters right now. acknowledging how difficult this time is saying that they need air defense. that is what is so critical. i asked the vice president afterwards, in our exclusive

conversation, about navalny. she had spoken him yesterday. had met with his wife. had that extraordinarily dignified electric moment here as she came out as a surprise to the entire conference. a standing of a shun for her bravery, her courage, and for her husbands. a terrible reaction here of fear, loathing, anger. the unanimous feeling that he was the murderer. zelenskyy called him a monster today. i asked her about that and how important it is to get the aid. she said there are bipartisan votes supporting the aid. if it could get to the floor, congress has to realize how important this is. the lengthy is now going to meet with the congress members. that includes a large delegation of republicans and democrats. house and senate. that is critical. i asked her about donald trump, who is the elephant in the room

here. these european leaders just put up 44 billion dollars. america, so far, has not delivered. people are all talking about donald trump's latest comments. and the fact that he is leading in the polls for the nomination and the concern for europeans is they will not support this war. i asked her about the and whether or not trump is having an effect on what is happening on ukraine here is how she answered. >> do you think vladimir putin has been emboldened by what time trump aside about nato and about putin? >> the idea that the former president of the united states would say that he, quote, encourages a brutal dictator to invade our allies. that the united states of america would simply stand by

and watch. no previous united states president, regardless of their party, has bowed down to a russian dictator before. now we are seeing an example of something i believe the american people would never support. >> as you know, there are world leaders here. analysts from all over the world. journalists. this conference has a ways to strongly for ukraine. america is now the missing link. it is very telling here that european leaders are concerned about this u.s. election. they are worried about donald trump. >> andrea -- i was watching your interview today that you did with the german foreign minister that talked about nato. really, i think the foreign minister you tried to

underscore tried to project confidence. in a privately a number of world leaders are concerned about the potential return of donald trump. what else are folks saying behind the scenes there, andrea? you've covered a lot. you've covered these issues for a very long time. this is a different moment, it feels like. >> it is a different moment. it is an inflection point. this is a conference where republicans and democrats have always come together. john mccain, the most notable leader. joe biden always came here as vice president, as. well had strong standing here. mccain, cindy mccain, is here in her role as ambassador of rome for the u.s. food development. -- i don't have the exact title right but, mccain was giving out on her husband's name. john mccain's legendary here.

that is the bipartisan spirit. he was a partisan, of course. he ran for president. but foreign policy italy stopped at the borders hatch. that goes all the way back to the 1950s. the reagan philosophy. that is bill clinton. it is barack obama. george herbert walker bush. george w. bush. coming together as much as you can on foreign policy despite disagreements on iraq and other issues. it has always been a matter of degree. nothing this profound has never happened where a nato, the 75 year alliance which is gonna celebrate its 75th anniversary with its annual nato meeting moving from europe to the united states to signify that. it is going to be at an inflection point where ban concern that without american nato will not be able to stand. europe will have to turn inwards and look to other partners. that is of grave concern. >> nbc's andrea mitchell, thank you so, so much for your time. ahead, how house democrats

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house republicans are poised to reject a senate passed bill providing billions in aid for ukraine, taiwan, and israel. it is the latest instance of the caucus failing to act on urgent issues like the border and government funding. joining us now democratic congresswoman, pramila jayapal of washington. the chair the national progressive caucus. congresswoman, good morning to you. you heard the stakes laid out by our colleague, andrea mitchell. as she talks with world leaders at the munich security conference. i want to read to you what house speaker mike johnson is staying back here stateside. quote. as congress debates the best path forward to support

ukraine, the united states and our partners must be using every means available to cut off women's ability to fund his unprovoked war in ukraine and aggression against the baltic states. it is as though he doesn't know, congresswoman, that he has tools at his disposal. he can actually do the thing that he says needs to be done. >> yes, good morning alicia. it is good to be here on the show. listen, i've been saying for over a year that this is republicans in ruin. they have been unable to govern. we have three weeks without a speaker. kevin mccarthy sold out the whole notion of governing when he first said one member of the republican congress can't get rid of him as speaker if they don't like what he is doing. we moved from this new speaker, let's be clear, mike came in with me -- speaker johnson came in with me. it is the same menu, different waiter. [laughs] >> i mean, yes! yes! >> i think he's dealing with

the same issues the republican conference has had this whole time. he is in a situation where he has a significant number of republicans. i think it is around 100 who have voted against ukraine aid in the past. he can't bring this thing up because he is afraid they're gonna kick him out a speaker, unless he uses -- unless he goes with democratic support. in that case he is zeroing against donald trump. and they have, unfortunately, become a cult party to donald trump. i think that this is a real challenge for us at a time when we desperately need a functioning congress and republicans are continuing to be in ruin. >> it is harrowing to watch. no doubt, same menu different waiter. i will be quoting you on that. when it comes to ukraine aid, this particular bill is tied to aid for taiwan and also aid for israel. previously tied to aid for the border. we will get into that in a

second. that is not on the table anymore in this congress because republicans removed it from the table. axios is reporting that several progressive members are noting that they are firmly opposed to the bill as is. tying all three pieces of a together particular because of the piece of aid for israel. you told axios, i cannot vote for aid to israel. you go on to note that the conditions on aid in gaza, including restrictions on on refunding our troubling and will be a problem for you. how do folks move forward? what else do members within the progressive caucus need to see in order to support this bill if were to get to the floor? >> i think it is up to mike johnson. he is a speaker. he should be able to bring a bill forward with the majority of his conference supporting the bill. then you would see democrats, as well, voting for it. he cannot do that. we are not gonna get into the procedural pieces -- >> forcing democrats? are there mechanisms where

democrats can force a vote on the floor even though they are the minority? >> yes. if ukraine aid were on its own it would pass with, probably, every democratic voting for it. i think that is one of the important things here. as you said, they tried to tie it to a border policy that was so harsh mitch mcconnell said it was the harshest border policy and then they still didn't vote for. i think that goes to what you and i have talked about before. republicans have no interest in fixing immigration. it's very different from when you were rnc chair. maybe we can talk about that. i think this is a situation where johnson has got to figure out how to get that bill to the floor. i think it has the best chance of passing if ukraine aid is on its own. that would get an overwhelmingly bipartisan vote. then we are going to have to figure out what else to do on the rest of the pieces. >> congresswoman, you alluded to our conversation back when i

was rnc chairman. we had a meeting back at the rnc talk about immigration. talking about how we could wrap, successfully, the political piece around the policy piece in order to make sure that there is a concerted effort to move forward. we are now in that moment again. politics on driving things. and the balances of. i want to push back a little bit on the idea. i think there, maybe, should be some thinking among democrats to be a little more aggressive in the house. to force the speaker's hands. what is wrong with a discharge petition? what is wrong with getting in the weeds a bit, as you said. really showing the country, damage, this is important for us! if you want to sit under behind to do nothing, fine. you do that! in the meantime, we are going to move forward and we are gonna move the tools available to us in this chamber to do that. i think, it would really help

the president. reinforce that energy. i think it would also say something about what we saw last week with the special elections in new york. where suozzi was able to make an aggressive case for the people in his district. ? what do you think about that? >> i think the challenge is this is the republican problem. we can't get two thirds of the republican congress on this bill. it is not up to democrats. and we have splits in the democratic caucus around israel. we have to be clear, we are the minority party if we were the governing party that will be very different. they will be a lot of pressure to figure out how we get the majority of our caucus on to a bill. maybe there will be changes to a bill. this was a bill sent over by the senate with no input from the house. i think that while you are right that there are private

conversations going on about what the possibilities are and how do we unite as a caucus i think it is important for people to understand that it is the republican caucus that has the responsibility of governing. taking that bill and bring it to the floor. it was a pipe partisan bill in the senate. if they want to bring into the phone now they should twist their arms on their side and doing. i just don't want people to be confused on who is in charge here. there is one party in charge at the house and that is the republican party. they have been unable to govern. 28 bills. that is all that we have passed in this congress that have been signed into law. michael, we voted on over 700 things. 700 bills. we have taken 700 votes. and yet only 28 have been signed into law. this is the least productive congress because they want to push things and have no chance of success in the senate. actually somehow it is our fault i think the problem is we

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the house could deliver articles of impeachment against homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas, by the end of the month. but meanwhile, they have set to set legislation -- the presidents desk. jamilah jayapal is here with us. so congresswoman, is there any republican who is serious in the house right now about doing something about the border? there's a whole lot of noise and a whole lot of nothing else. >> i don't think so. and it makes me very sad because i do think back to 2010 or 2011, when you pulled a small group of, us i was not in congress, i was an activist on the outside, mostly republicans into the room. they said, this is important, both for political future and policy future. that is not the situation we have. and for years i've been saying, republicans have turned immigration into something that is only a political issue to

try to drive xenophobic a and fear and racism. and use as an election issue. it is very sad because immigrants, i, mean going back to ronald reagan, going back to so many republican presidents who have talked about the value of immigration to our country, economically, the cbo just came out with the great study saying that immigrants contributed a trillion dollars to the economy in excess of what we thought was going to happen because we did have so many people coming in. we have a situation where unemployment is very low. we need workers across the country. we have families who have been here aunt -- for decades and have been doing so much work for our country. every single day. and we have to understand, the border is inversely tied to the ability to have a functioning legal system. so the more our legal system functions, our immigration system functions, -- >> not just asylum but everything, symone.

we have 8 million families in what is called the family backlog. people that have not been processed. you wait maybe 20 years to bring your adult child into the country. we have unemployment backlog of 2 million people. people, employers who have jobs that they want filled, they have qualified candidates, they want to bring them in. but are fees a capsule allow us to bring people in our set from 30 years ago. we have never updated it. >> this is the smartest i think and a realist conversation i've heard in a while on cable news about just the merits of what is actually wrong with what is happening at the border. going on details on the infrastructure. coming out of the win in new york three, a lot of folks have -- you, know we were all sitting down like, what are the lessons are taking from this? democrats have said well, the lesson, as you have to run structure on the border. run stricter on migration. because that is what he did.

nbc news has reported that the number of immigration advocates and progressive lawmakers are saying that that is not the lesson. >> that is not a lesson. >> what is your message to folks? you've been an activist, as you noted, when i met you humourist later. tell the people, what is your perspective on this? >> listen, tom ran a good discipline campaign. what he did that we should learn from is he leaned in on the issue of immigration. he didn't run away from it. we have a lot of democrats over decades actually that have sort of said oh, it's too complicated. it is complicated. but learned, because you have to be able to explain it and i used to go on fox news and talk about it with tucker carlson because you can explain this stuff. people can understand what the problems are. so he leaned into it. number one lesson. number two lesson, he actually had, until the last weeks of the campaign, a pretty inclusive message. he talked about a path to sedition ship. he talked about his own

immigration background. and, number three, he reached out to immigrant voters in that district. look, that district had 25% aapi voters. tom swansea learn to say hello in a bunch of languages. he sent out mobilization alerts. you know, text messages, ride messages indifferently which is. number four, it was a mobilization effort. 20 union city tom swansea and a coalition battleground in new york, a coalition of labor and progressive groups were hard on the ground for turnout. turnout of democrats was between five to 8% higher than republicans. so the lesson here is, don't run away from immigration. embrace immigration with an inclusive message. talk about the border. i'm not saying don't talk about border security. i'm all in for border security. but you know this, in 2013, that bipartisan immigration reform bill that got 68 bipartisan votes in the senate and actually fix to the

underlying pieces of immigration, that did have so much border security that some of us were, like we're gonna hold our nose but we're gonna support this. we have put more into enforcement only harsh methods of the border. it doesn't work because if you don't have legal pathways, and the whole system isn't functioning, and you're not processing people quickly and efficiently and you don't have different categories for people to come in, they're going to go to to the border because it's the only way that you can really even have a hope of coming here. >> congresswoman, i agree with, the democrats have a big opportunity to push past this border only enforcement mole frame that republicans like to live in. i've only got about 30 seconds left, but we do want to get your reaction to the ruling out of new york, the trump civil fraud trial. >> well, you did a great interview yesterday with steve cohen. look, i think trump is in big trouble financially. hopefully this hurts his campaign. but the real thing we have to remember here is there are a lot of people out there who don't care that this man has talked about being a dictator,

getting rid of democracy, putting a abortion -- national abortion ban out there as president. and i think that is -- we still have to win the hearts and minds of people. we cannot assume that this ruling alone will do it. but it is important step forward, hopefully to holding him accountable for the insurrection ultimately. >> congresswoman camilla jayapal, thank you for being with us this morning. coming up on velshi at the top of the hour, michael cohen is going to join ali to talk about the massive legal defeat of his old boss that just suffered in new york. and all the other cases hanging over his head. we'll be right back. right bac.

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