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get the real deal, get xfinity. this hour on eamon, embarrassment and shame, just another week in republican politics. democrat, jasmine crockett, is here, and what it means for lawmakers like her who actually want to conduct the people's business. and also tonight, an american dream in the making, how cindy nava, went from being a the daca recipient to a white house adviser. her next stop could make history. the and if we're talking about tucker carlson and j.d. vance, it must be a weekly contest for worst of the week. i'm paola ramos in for ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. republicans had an embarrassing week on capitol hill.

first, the house gop failed to impeach homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, after spending months and months decrying his alleged failures on immigration. they are expected to vote yet again next tuesday, and then, senate republicans killed 118 billion dollar bipartisan border bill, that would have upended the cub trees asylum system by allowing the explosion of migrants in border crossings. provisions also courted $20 million of federal authorities including homeland security. it was endorsed by the staunchly conservative union for border patrol officers and slammed a real refugee rights groups like amnesty international, which called it, quote, the most extreme anti immigrant proposal this country has seen in 100 years. the most far to the right policies democrats usually champion. it was a no-brainer that republicans would stand behind it, wrong, because instead, republicans answered donald trump's call to oppose the package and sunk the bill after

he said it would give democrats and president biden a political ahead in the election. as independent senator, kristen sinema, put it, it turns out, border security is not actually a risk for national security. it's just a talking point for the election. this is a familiar pattern among the gop, even though they are always, always the loudest ones calling about, talking about this so-called border crisis. lawmakers also reached bipartisan border agreements in 2006, did it in 2013, and in 2018, all three times, it was republicans who walked away. but what about democrats? what about democrats? who voted overwhelmingly in the senate to support this bill. president biden's first day in office, he sent a bill to congress to, quote, restore humanity and american values to our immigration system. the u.s. citizen ship act died in the last congress, but three years later, his words stand in stark contrast to his support

of the failed senate bill and his recent promise to shut down the border, law professor and -- warned in a new york times op-ed, before the bill tanked, quote, these measures, if enacted, will do little to improve how the united states manages migration, nor will it stop migrants from coming. if more money could keep people from crossing our borders, we would've paid for the solution years ago. meanwhile, of course, more than 3 million asylum cases remain backlogged and more than 500,000 daca recipients are still waiting for congress to provide a pathway to citizenship. we've been talking about this for years. we are still waiting. all of that is happening as a humanitarian crisis for migrants stuck at the u.s. southern border grows more dire by the day. now, let's bring in our panel, -- and an l.a. times -- director of policy and government affairs, border and immigration at the aclu. thank you both so much for joining me. i really appreciate it. i'm going to start with you.

i think even starting with this idea of how biden, what his narrative was, a couple of years ago, when he was talking about restoring our moral standing in the world, and talking about our historic role as a safe haven for refugees and asylum seekers. how did he go from that to now, this narrative about promising to shut down the border? what is your take? >> first, paola, thank you for having me. i have to tell you that he does been very disappointing to see. the administration to see this border deal which was the cruelest deal ever where you have people who are going to be expelled without due process, where you have the highest levels of detention ever in the united states and that wouldn't not of only affected people coming at the border, but also people inside the united states. so yes, we see a capitulation to the far-right, we see a capitulation to crawl policies,

policies that don't work, policies that don't stop people from coming, but what they do is they put vulnerable people in danger. so, this is an opportunity for the administration, for congress, to do the right thing, to really think about what are the real solutions that we need, and that cruel border policy that was proposed was not it. >> curt, piggybacking on what i maribel said, what is this opportunity that biden has in front of him? it is true that there is this unprecedented opportunity for the president to shift from being on defense mode to offense. but when we're thinking about what this opportunity means, what can he do and should he do on immigration? what do you think he should do? there's this idea that politically, he should be leaning further right, should he be catering to independents, should he be catering to the progressive base? what do you think? >> i think that he's doing exactly what he should. which is making it very clear,

it is congress's responsibility to get him to either sign or veto. that he is open to having something reach his desk, but in order for that to even happen republicans and senate republicans need to actually pass something. you have a president who has said he's willing to meet you halfway he wants to get something done. we have a senate republican who has negotiated a compromised bill one of the most conservative senators in the unison senate and yet we have republicans like mike johnson saying they're not gonna even let this bill come up for a vote. you cannot say if you are the republican party that our border security issue is a national crisis if you are not worrying to even entertain having a vote on a bill that would fund border security to the tune of billions and billions of dollars. all you are proving is that what you want is the talking point of immigration, that you want to use the crisis at our border, that you want to use the people who are fleeing horrible conditions at that none of us can even possibly fathom, to use them as political pawns. look at what's going on in texas. the texas government has spent 100 billion dollars busing

migrants to other cities right now, and it just using them as pawns for political theater. that's what's going on right now. i'll tell you, if you're gonna spend the next six or seven months to campaign and say that joe biden and democrats are biden immigration and border security, but you won't do anything right now, when you can, and there's an appetite for compromise and bipartisanship, you are the problem. >> okay, so maribel, imagine if tomorrow the president could do something, what would that look like to you? >> i can tell you. what does that look like? it looks like protecting asylum. to make sure that people who are coming here seeking refuge have the possibility to access asylum. that is a legal right, both under domestic law, and under international law. that's why. what else can he do? he can support cities that are receiving immigrants, because i have seen it myself. when you go to texas, when you go to arizona, when you go to california, you have community organizations, you have cities there who are welcoming immigrants and helping them be able to find this refuge that

they're looking for. what else can he do? well, we know that a pathway to citizenship must be part of the solution. a pathway to citizenship for dreamers and a pathway to citizenship for a long residents of the united states. that was nowhere in this deal that we saw. and what must not do? he must not abandon our values. so the value of protecting people seeking refuge, that's part of an american value. that should never have been on the table. but sadly, it was. >> i think there's this idea that we believe that a big part of the country will be upset at republicans, because yes, they had this opportunity, to your point, kurt, to finally do something, and they did nothing. however, we know that they leveraged the case at the border narrative. we know that is always more appearing for them than compromise. so kurt, how do you think that voters will actually assess what went down last week? i know that we think it was wrong and inefficient, and a

reflection of the dysfunctional congress, but how are voters looking at this? at least republicans get to run with the crime and chaos narrative still. >> i think voters are going to look at it the way they always have. we've been having this exact conversation about immigration for decades now. when i first got into federal politics, back in 2006, the congressional race that i worked on was in san diego, the number one issue that determined the outcome of that election was illegal immigration. here we, are almost 15, 20 years since that election, and we are still having the same conversation. i think voters are tired of actually just watching his conversation go back and forth with no action actually being taken. with no legislation to show for with no compromise or bipartisanship. with just the talking point being regurgitated and resuscitated it every election cycle. at some point, footers are just going to turn it out, and say you know what, it's a plague of both parties, it's both parties fault. someone please step up and get

something done. i think voters have an appetite for progress. i think they're tired of the posturing. >> but maribel, i think kurt is right. we've been literally talking about this for decades. however, the unusual point is to your point, maribel, dreamers, and the 11 million undocumented immigrants are not part of this discussion anymore. they're just not. what does that say to you, maribel? the shed we sort of start to acknowledge that it won't be a reality? how do you think about this? >> not at all. speaking of voters, voters want a balanced approach. voters want a pathway to citizenship, for daca holders, for gps holders. this is an opportunity for our leadership to say hey, let me listen to my constituents. let me listen to what voters want. they won both border management and a pathway to citizenship, and humane policies. they do not want cruel policies. they do not want trump's wall. they do not want people being

incarcerated. we saw, they don't want children and families in detention, so the pros is they're currently proposing, that's not what they want. they don't want daca holders, tps holders, people are contributing to our society, even asylum seekers, we know that the ceos recently came out with an analysis saying that because of immigration, our economy has grown. what voters want, they want to make sure that we are promoting the growth of the economy, because that is good for us, that's good for our community, that's good for everyone. >> maribel hernandez rivera thank you so much, i really appreciate your experience, and everything you have to say. kurt, you are sticking around with me. i'll see you in a bit. with me now is democratic congresswoman, jasmine crockett a texas. congresswoman, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. i want to ask you, what do you think would have happened in the extremely unlikely event that this bipartisan senate security bill would have reached the house, what

would've happened? >> i think it would've passed. i'm good to be honest. i definitely think that the vast majority, if not all of the republicans, when i voted for it. i think that those that are really feeling the crunch from their districts on the democratic side would have voted for it to. again, as it's already been laid out, it's a matter of what are our values? i think you would've seen a lot of the progressive members deciding not to vote for this bill understanding that it really is the most conservative piece of legislation on immigration that we would have seen maybe ever. this was really their big chance. they blew it, because trump told them to. honestly, i'm happy about it. trump told them to blow it, it's clear that, as it's already been state egg, they want to do more posturing, instead of continuing to make progress. >> what do you make of their, sort of, method of governing, at this point, or lack thereof? >> i was about to say, what do

you mean method of government? >> sure, -- >> i mean, here's the deal. we have people that have decided that they are going to be simpleton's. they maybe have great ideas, they maybe have the ability to govern, but right now, they are shackled to trump. i had a conversation with a republican member, who served our country, proudly, and this particular conservative was telling me that he wants to vote for ukraine support, but because it has become such a not so good talking point for him, he's like, i can't. >> but you understand, it so are you explaining it to your constituents? there are people that actually want to govern, but because they and -- however you want to call it, it's causing a problem for a lot of the -- at least people who have minds that actually want to move forward.

and do the smart things on governing. >> so let's talk about that megaphone, i want to talk now about the mayorkas engagement. of course, you voted against impeachment this week. how do you anticipate yet another round of voting? how will all of that go down? >> we had every single democrat there. this is why when you have a slim majority, it matters to make sure that we are all there, we're all fighting for the american people. not just some of us, but it takes all of us. right, now they're saying that they're going to go pull scalise out, who is getting this stem cell treatment, because he has cancer, so that he can vote for an impeachment that they know is going nowhere. they know that there is no way that he will be convicted in the senate, because they've yet to lay out a high crime or misdemeanor, and the fact that they would risk the life of one of their members, just so they could have a political point that they're going to put out there as if it's something,

because again, they want to play around with the megaphone, instead of having real conversations with the american people, and say, we know that you want us to do something, and this is the most that we are willing to do, because it's the only thing that the big guy will let us do. because it's the one thing that may make him look a little bit better, if we could show that someone else has the ability to be impeached. it's absolutely insane. so, i'm hoping that maybe even another republican says enough is enough, and they cross over, and they say we are not going to vote for impeachment. but if he comes and every democrat comes, then this will win by one vote, because they are trying to get it done before hopefully tom wins on tuesday in new york third. >> before you go, really quickly, congresswoman, i do want to ask about your home state in texas. of course, governor abbott continues to be in this pretty intense standoff with president biden over control of the southern border. the governor, as you know, is still preventing federal agents from accessing shelby park,

which is of course, along eagle pass. how dangerous this this? we've been seeing these images play out for a long time. or does this mean on the ground? >> you talk about danger, there was obviously a conversation that we had, in a semi robust way, when we saw that there was the woman and her children that died. there was definitely a question about whether or not federal authorities were able to access them, to try to save them, and a question about whether or not they were prevented from doing so, by state authorities. listen, this is a federal issue. it's a federal problem. and the federal government, at least the democrats, are ready to work and do what we need to do. but we have a rogue governor, who is really causing inkstand problems for the entire country. honestly, i think he may be auditioning for vice president, at this point. basically showing trump that he will be his lynch man,

considering the fact that he is the one that started busing migrants and flying migrants all over the country two cities that were not able to receive them. i think that maybe this is part of a larger plan, just again, to be playing politics instead of actually governing. >> right, because as you say, congresswoman, as a reminder to everyone, immigration is a matter of federal law, not state law. for those that care about the rule of law, that's just an important thing to remember. congresswoman, thank you so much. i really appreciate your time. >> absolutely. >> okay, after a quick break, you're meeting a daca recipient who became a white house adviser, and is now on the cusp of making political history in america. in america. it's the only medication that can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks. treat and prevent, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain.

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she has since resigned from the biden administration to focus on her own campaign and she joins me now. thank you so much for joining me, i really appreciate it. what may do and what inspired you to run for office and how do you think, as you are sort of thinking about answering that question, how do you think that's going to impact daca recipients across the country? >> thank you so much for having me, glossiest. so many things inspired me to run for office, anyone who knows me knows this has been a lifelong journey. i deeply believe the representation matters. i deeply believe that in impacts when you see someone who looks like you and inspires you, and growing up, in the state of new mexico, i've been very blessed. i've been blessed by the policies, but i come from humble beginnings. my mother is a housekeeper, and my father works construction. so seeing their work, day in and day out, really made me really, really stubborn on ensuring that i tried my

hardest, even when everyone told me that i wasn't going to be able to. so, seeing the work of immigrants across the state, and the regular hurdles we had to undertake, that gave me the inspiration, really -- to just continue trying hard. and seeing every single struggle that i had to go through in school, to able to continue going through high school, college, all of those barriers that i saw, that was my deepest inspiration. and after all these years, seeing and meeting so many other daca recipients, my siblings still being daca holders, my parents still in the midst of adjusting status, i know the reality of the struggles that we live. i know that if i am elected, and to the new mexico senate district nine, it will create a momentum, because we need a wave of new folks running for office. we need former daca recipients to ensure that they are on those ballots, because

representation matters. our stories have been told for so long, and i deeply believe that it is time for us to tell our own stories, because we've been through those hurdles. it is a constant struggle, each and every day. representation will make a difference. >> i think you said it very clearly. representation matters. i am wondering what, your own family members, i'm wondering what the thousands of immigrants that live in new mexico, i wonder what they think of the bipartisan border security bill that was presented in the senate? because why? because i'm thinking of the fact that at least one in ten residents in your home's date are immigrants. there's at least, i think, 5000 active dockery shipments. we are talking about your own family. but do they make of the democrats endorsement of this bill? >> i'm going to be very, very blunt, and very transparent. i don't claim to be an immigration expert, because of my story. i can only speak from my lived

experience, right? and the struggles that i've seen my own family got through. i can tell you that i deeply believe that this administration is working day in and day out, otherwise i would never have become an appointee, as the first former daca recipient to be an appointee for the administration, i saw them work day in and day out. and, of course, we need continued expansion of resources, continued expansion of opportunities for our immigrant communities. but we know that we need partnership, and bipartisanship also, to make these things happen. but we, i believe, have to also ensure that we are working within our ability at the state level, and at the federal level, to ensure that we are creating those pathways. in my position here, i want to ensure that in new mexico, i can continue expanding those opportunities. because i'm not running for congress, i don't yet qualify. so god willing, and one day. but at this point, i am committed to ensuring that the communities of new mexico know

what we can do, and that we can continue bringing more opportunities -- just expansion of resources, and uplifting those stories that are not told, and that are not at these decision-making tables. i think that the angle and coming to this. >> let me ask you really quickly, cindy, in your years of living in limbo in this country, did you ever lose hope at any point? did you ever lose hope in this country's ability to reach a solution for dreamers? >> i will tell you that people encouraged me to lose hope. people told me i wasn't going to make it, day in and day out. sometimes, some of my own people. that was hard, because you have to prove yourself each and every day, and at the end of the day, i turned around, and i look at my parents, so i'm not here to play any political maneuvering. i'm here to prove each and every day that we are people, that we are contributors, that our communities need to unify.

i never lost hope. this whole notion of the american dream, and i know folks, even when daca was implemented, there is a lot of talks about it not being perfect. i understand that, because i know it wasn't. but daca changed our lives. daca allowed me to go back to mexico to be with my grandmother during her last breath. those are things that i will never forget. >> cindy nava, your parents must be so, so extremely proud of you. thank you. next, house republicans were determined, but failed to impeach dhs secretary mallorca. of course, they will try again. with the majority of my patients with sensitivity i see irritated gums and weak enamel. sensodyne sensitivity gum and enamel it relieves sensitivity helps restore gum health and rehardens enamel. i am a big advocate of recommending things that i know work.

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led package for 17.6 billion dollars in israel. the double losses were a huge embarrassment for speaker mike johnson, who has already been warned that some a house republicans could oust him. the mayorkas fiasco could be the last straw for some members of his party. according to the messenger, one senior gop aide said of johnson, quote, if we lose the israel vote after losing mayorkas impeachment, vacate. kurt bardella and david jolly are back with me now. kurt, how much worse can i get for speaker johnson? [laughter] what does his future look like right now? >> is that a trick question? i don't even think there's a right answer for that. >> try. >> every time that we think that it can't get worse for house republicans, and whoever is in that speaker's chair, they show us that it can get worse, then it can get more embarrassing or humiliating. i think that there is no scenario in which speaker johnson is still the speaker of the house by the end of this year.

that's no different than what kevin mccarthy went through, it's no different than why paul ryan went. left it's no different than why john boehner left. this is in ungovernable conference. the republicans as their currently constituted have no interest in governing. have no interest in fulfilling the basic responsibilities of being a member of congress, which is to extend chilly bumped the government and keep the government running. they do want to do that. so anyone who's in that position who does anything that would resemble responsible governing gets run out of town. >> okay, david, johnson is of course, unsurprisingly, trying to downplay all of this criticism, right? one of the things that he said is, i don't think that this is a reflection on the leader, it's a reflection on the body itself, and the place where we've come in this country. so david, is there any truth to that at all? actually trying, trying to see his side, is there any truth to that? is what we are seeing a reflection of the way that trump has hijacked the party? he sort of has his arms stuck. >> it is a reflection of the level of partisanship with

which the republican majority has decided to behave, because they only have a one or two vote majority, and so maybe you don't get your super conservative priorities, but you do have a responsibility to govern, to keep the government open, to address crises, both internationally, and on our border. and because of the inability of republicans to govern, this is a reflection of where we are. but mike johnson ran for speaker saying he would expect responsibility, so he doesn't get to pass it off to the rest of his caucus. the only thing that saving mike johnson right now is nobody else montes his job. because nobody, everybody knows that they couldn't do it either. and ironically, it got harder for mike johnson this week, because mitch mcconnell capitulated to donald trump as well. i know that sounds odd, it would seem like if mike johnson hand mitch mcconnell both capitulated, then that works better, it really doesn't, because what mike johnson needs is for the senate republicans to shove legislation down his

throat, so he can say to house republicans, i've got no choice. we just don't have the numbers to push back against our own party in the senate. the mitch mcconnell came to this week, and that made governing that much harder. and the buck stops with johnson, and the buck stops with mcconnell. there's no passing it off to anyone else >> right, kurt, in many ways, matt gaetz, right, took us to this moment. he very much lead the republican party to oust kevin mccarthy, but the interesting thing is that suddenly, you have gaetz having some swarm of buyers remorse. right after the mayorkas fiasco, gaetz said, and i'm quoting him, he said, i also wonder, wouldn't it have been nice to still have kevin mccarthy in the house of representatives? honestly, that's something i never thought i would hear coming from him. the >> oh brother. be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. matt, i mean, when you follow matt gaetz, a person who, at the very best, is it

questionable integrity, as we're seeing in some of the other investigations he's currently the subject of, this is where you end up. the republicans are proverbially the dog that caught up to the bus, then they are shocked when the bus runs them over and over and over again. how many times are they going to have to repeat this history before they wake up and realize, if you want to be in, quote, leadership, that actually means leading. it doesn't mean passing the buck off to your caucus. it doesn't mean blaming other people, it's take responsibility, step up, everybody always says they could do a better job than the current leader, but when they actually get into that position, they do just as bad as a job of the person before. it makes you wonder, why did you throw out mccarthy in the first place if you are going to end up in exactly the same place as you were before that? that's what we are doing. we are looking at these two government shutdown deadlines coming up here, in the first week of march. >> right, i think david, we can laugh all we want, there is reason to do that, but the international community is looking at the united states and saying, what is happening,, i think this congressional dysfunction goes beyond domestic politics, as you know.

it can have very real national security implications. so what do you think it's the collateral damage all of this could have in ukraine, in the middle east, in the eyes of the international community? what does that look like from that side? >> the stakes and the consequences are very serious. to have the failure of a governing coalition within the republican majority, and ultimately however we get there, it will be democrats that provide the votes to govern. and to pass hard legislation with some reservations of their own on the left, when it comes to providing aid to israel, supporting ukraine, they have tried to solve the issue on the border. it has always been, for the past two years, a governing coalition of democrats who have actually governed, not republicans. and so the question becomes the fate of mike johnson. if he wants to take this safe route to governing right now, he should tell his caucus, i'm not going to stand for speaker next congress. then, just work for it with democrats to actually pass a legislation he's ultimately going to have to pass.

mike johnson may not want this job in the next congress. but ultimately, joe biden and house democrats and senate democrats are going to provide the votes to responsibly provide aid for the international community, as well as fund our own domestic priorities here at home. the republicans are just going to have to swallow the medicine on that. >> on that note, kurt and david, you are sticking around. i'll see you in a second. because next, it's time for worst of the week. a race to the bottom for who can set the best to authoritarians. to authoritarians. and rehardens enamel. i am a big advocate of recommending things that i know work. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools, like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis, help make trading feel effortless. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. e*trade from morgan stanley.

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are why we need your help. please become a saint jude partner in hope right now. [music playing] all right, it's time now for our worst of the week. the authoritarian suck up addition. first, we have disgraced former fox news host, and local critic of ukraine aid, tucker carlson, who flew to moscow this week to interview vladimir putin. we should note that nbc news has not been provided any details about the circumstances under which this interview was recorded. as of now, the only available

translation is the one that carlson provided. but, it was mostly putin rambling about ukraine, expanding nato, and the fall of the soviet union, with absolutely no pushback, again, journalists are supposed to push back. well, there was none of that. it's not surprising that carlson didn't ask for corroborating evidence considering he spent his time at fox repeating falsehoods, repeating misinformation, and conspiracy theories. so again, what could we expect? that was tucker carlson. now, here in the united states, we have senator j.d. vance of ohio, who spent his week going off the rails and trying to outdo every other trump loyalist in a wild interview, vance not only suggested trump should defy the supreme court if reelected, he also went full maga, when it comes to january 6th. >> if i had been vice president, i would've told the states, like pennsylvania, georgia, and so many others, then we needed to have multiple slates of electors. i think the u.s. congress should have fought over it from there. that is the legitimate way to

deal with an election that a lot of folks, including me, think had a lot of problems in 2020. i think that's what we should have done. >> okay, let's bring back kurt bardella and former florida congressman and msnbc political analyst, david jolly. david, you are going to start. who's your pick? tucker or j.d. vance? >> let me say, watching j.d. vance tell his soul publicly is a cringeworthy event. i would say, on tucker carlson, he's a dangerous and unstable person, whose career is headed towards the likes of roger stokes. we have to recognize that some one who entertains the vanities of dictators is not a journalist. it's someone seeking fame and celebrity for all the wrong reasons. but i will throw you a wildcard. i think the hold my beer award in all of this goes to elise stefanik, every time she sees someone step up and fail them selves at donald trump, particularly on january 6th, she says no, i'm gonna go further, i want to be his vice president. you can't be his vice president, j.d., it's got to be me. so take your pick among

republicans, a shameful week for all of them. >> so then, on that note, kurt, if you were to choose between tucker, j.d., and elise, you have three options are there. how would you pick? >> i kind of go with david here. what troubles me is both j.d. and elise stefanik, at least they served in the u.s. congress, they will be in position in 2024, two -- or 2025, to certify and cast votes over the next election. so what they are saying is true, if the voters decide that joe biden should get reelected, they're making it very clear they're not going to accept that result, they're going to permeate these lives about election security in order to justify throwing out democracy, throwing out the peaceful transition of power. throwing out the very principles are republic was built upon for political gain. when you've a member of the house and the senate who are both jockeying to be part of the would-be donald trump presidency here, that's

incredibly dangerous. tucker carlson, he's not in congress. he's not a decision-maker, he is literally no power, no authority over the next election, in any way, shape, or form. senator vance and congresswoman stefanik do. >> david, i want to get your reaction to the sound of hillary clinton, who was talking to alex wagner, just a couple days ago, about tucker's interview with putin. here's what she said. >> he is what's called a useful idiot. if you actually read translations of what's being said on russian media, they make fun of him. he's like a puppy dog. >> a puppy dog. what's your reaction? >> my reaction is dangerous because that puppy dog, and i agree with former secretary clinton, but that puppy dog has hundreds of thousands and millions of followers, many in today's republican party who will affirm him, including the likes of j.d. vance, elise stefanik, matt gaetz, and others. because they found it humorous. they find it somehow, this is celebrity politics, and not

real governing. it's very dangerous. it's very dangerous, frankly, in a moment where should vladimir putin succeeded in his war against ukraine, it compromises the national security of the west, and ultimately could lead to u.s. involvement and men and women on the ground. u.s. men and women on the ground. this is a dangerous moment, and it is a dangerous moment because the republican party refuses to take it so seriously. we used to lampoon lindsey graham for his flip-flop. he was the pin fischel we always get to get close to donald trump. he'd say whatever he needed to to get their. at least he understands protecting democracy. j.d. vance, matt gaetz, elise stefanik, they are throwing protection of democracy out the window in their fealty to donald trump in this new republicanism. >> kurt, what's your reaction to secretary clinton's comments? >> she spot on. again, you are seeing -- you have to wonder what the motivation is here when you see propaganda like that. put out by an american commentator, at best, in tucker carlson. it's sad, really, to see

someone who was once the face of a cable news network, once the highest rated program on cable news, now, being used to advance propaganda from a disavowed enemy of america, and enemies of democracy who works every day to undermine the best interest of our country, and the idea that someone like tucker carlson is using his platform, his following, his audience, to give legitimacy and credibility to air these type of lies and undermine the best interests of our country, and other countries in this world, when someone does that, they get thrown into jail. >> turn, talking about misinformation, but, now i want to talk about misinformation in the super bowl at the same time. i know that you are an avid music fan. so thinking about tomorrow, and thinking about all the very angry conspiracy theorists that are about to be targeting taylor swift and her boyfriend, we are about to see our twitter feed being flooded with right-

wing social media influencers having a lot of thoughts on this couple. are those people the worst of the week? >> i think they are the dumbest of the week, for picking a fight with someone like taylor, who is, by the way, a marketing savant, who is a public relations genius. and who commands one of the most active and robust followings in the entire world. i wrote a column for the l.a. times yesterday that says, if you want to mess with taylor swift, this is a woman who knows a thing or two about revenge. just go ask scooter braun, go listen to the reputation album. you are picking a fight with someone that will blow you out of the water. she will do so in her own way, in her own ton, on her own terms. they will never see it coming, and they will have no idea how to respond. i'm personally hoping that she launches a different tour later on in the fall, which is maybe a pre-acoustic concert in swing states, all you need is a voter registration card to show, and you get it. i think that would be the most powerful thing for her to do to

mobilize her swiftie army, to get all of them to vote. >> david, i'm gonna throw wildcard. you have two options. either answer who you think is going to win tomorrow, san francisco or kansas city, or, you also get yet another pick up who is worst of the week. those far-right conspiracy theories that we are about to hear from tomorrow. choose. >> here's what i'd, say i've got too much gray hair and two kids to chase after, i lose my finger on the pulse of both music and sports. but it's okay for conspiracy theorists to just take a breath, enjoy the good music, enjoy a great game, have fun with your family and community. >> i still truly don't understand why anyone would want to pick a fight with taylor swift. it's beyond me. kurt bardella and david jolly, thank you so much. i really appreciate it. next, the extraordinary life of a beloved applicant of transgender rights. cecilia gently. rights. cecilia gently. tion that can treat a migraine when it strikes

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>> are we going to do this or not? because it's going to take time. and i, i have a hair appointment at ten. >> that was actress, author, and renowned lgbtq rights advocate, cecilia gentili, guest starring as mr. orlando in effects is groundbreaking series, pose. the gentili cast away on tuesday at the age of 52. remembrances and tributes started pouring in immediately. gentili was a pillar in new york city for the trans community and a tireless advocate of the liberation of all marginalized people. she was born in argentina and relocated to united states at the age of 26 with the hope of being able to live safely at the transgender women. gentili up to to career a career -- the world's first hiv a.i.d.s. service group. later, she founded two organizations of her own. transact could he consulting, which focuses on lgbtq acceptance in the workplace,

and cecilia's occupational inclusion network, which provides free health care and counseling for sex workers. this week, i asked organizers, including people from make the road new york, i asked them how they would describe cecilia, and they said, among many things, they said that she revealed the injustices and pain of the trans community, but also, also the joy. the joy of being trans. in a 2022 interview, with them, cecilia said, quote, i don't want to be perceived as a ball of trauma, and i don't want to be perceived as a ball of joy. those two things live at the same time. cecilia the gentili humanized to the trans community in a beautiful, real, raw way. she did something that i think only few exceptional leaders are capable of doing. right? getting people the ability to dream. the ability to imagine, and manifest better versions of their lives, even when the odds are against you. so cecilia, the trans community, the core community, the city, and the whole

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