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here in new york. and we begin, you know the story, with a seismic shift taking place in media and politics. rupert murdoch himself, who build the right wing's most powerful media ally, today announced he will be stepping down in november from the fox and news corporation boards. he tapped his son loughlin to replace him as the head of the companies, but this is more than just a media business story. because rupert murdoch's media influence on our political landscape has been absolutely massive. nbc's chloe melas has more. >> with a media legacy spanning the 70 years, tonight, billionaire media titan rupert murdoch says he's stepping down from fox and news corps. in an 02 employees, murdaugh says the time is right for me to take on different roles. >> rupert murdoch created all of this and so much more across america and the globe. >> keeping the title of chairman emeritus, he now passes the torch to his oldest son, lachlan, who will become sole chairman. at 92 years old, the decision was expected, but murdaugh

noted it was not due to his health, saying our companies are and robust health, as am i. >> rupert murdoch passing the torch to his son, lachlan. do you think that things will change in how fox news is run? >> i don't. for the super bowl future, i think laughlin's going to run this company the same way his father did. >> the mobilization -- controversial careers and modern media. the australian media titan started building his empire back in the 19 80s, buying tabloids from australia to britain. as well as the new york post. but one of his biggest passions was news. in 1996, fox news channel was born, giving conservative voices and outlet. >> well fox news has dominated cable, controversy in scandal followed, including the suit over false allegations around

dominion voting systems, resulting in a settlement earlier this year. and the firing of tucker carlson, one of the most highest rated stars. tonight, as murdaugh passes the torch, he has made it clear he does not intend to sit on the sidelines, saying he will remain an active member of our community. and with his son now chairman, the changes are expected as this transition plays out. >> fox news also faces a lawsuit from election systems companies smartmatic. with that, let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel tonight. my friend peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times is here. as well as doing buyers, founding partner and senior reporter at putt. and tim miller, a contributor for the bulwark and former communications director for jeb bush. and if you at home are trying to get your head around what this new dress code system is in the senate, maybe this will help. peter is dressed as chuck schumer, while dillon and tim are in more of a federal and

look. and i'm going with a sleeveless cinema. >> dillon, let us start with you. fox is saying he's in good health, but he's stepping down because he's 92. now, for anybody who knows him, they say there is not a day in our a minute, rupert murdoch isn't thinking, breathing, living news and fox. i saw 60-minute speech around from years ago, where they said he does like the opera, he doesn't like the theater, he doesn't even like to go to the movies he makes. all he does is work. so what's really going on? >> yeah, well, look, i think at 92, you have to ask questions about health, obviously, and certainly, depending on who you talk to, who's been around him in recent months. the different versions of where he's at in terms of health, the official line is that he sharp as attack. but, look, i think this, as monumental as this is, and is the end of a seven decade long run from the inheritor of his father's newspaper company in adelaide all the way to being one of the most influential media moguls internationally, certainly in the u.s. and the uk. it is also very much a formalization of what it has already been happening at news corps. and, to your point, rupert

murdoch is by no means going to fully cede control to his son, right? this is not going to be a bob iger -- situation where the inheritor is at odds with the predecessor. this is a situation where i think the company is basically saying, look, loughlin murdaugh is ready to run the company has the sole ceo and chairman so that, when the inevitable day comes when rupert does pass, there is at least some semblance of stability. there is a least face on the street among investors, certainly perhaps among the other siblings. who might have different ideas about what should happen to this company after the debt passes. some sense that maybe he actually is the best steward for this company, from a financial perspective. >> or to keep the company in the lane that rupert murdoch wanted to be in. now, his empire did say, and you said it, spread over three separate continents, but his

level of influence seems way outsized here. is that the power of fox news? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, look, whatever you think of rupert murdoch, what he has created is truly historic. he is in a lead of his own. and the influence is undeniable. the influence in terms of cable television and what he has done to our politics, this sort of tabloid media market, is sort of driving, in terms of sensibility, the tablet sensibility, in the uk and i would also argue in united states. that came from him. he is a transformational figure when you talk about the media industry. and his son, lachlan, who is

very much the favorite son in favor child, is very much in step with that. if anything, his politics are even further to the right of that of his father. if anyone is looking for this as a sort of moment where the fate of fox news is going to change, i would say, in the media, politically, editorially, i would not expect that to happen. now, overtime, will it change because of macroeconomic pressures, because of broader pressure on the linear television industry, on the newspaper industry? of course. but, no editorially, fox news is going to remain the same force in the 2024 election as it has been in previous elections. >> peter, how would you define murdaugh's political power in the u.s.? can you think of any media mogul who has held the kind of power he has with the right? >> no, not in modern times. he evokes the memory of the press parents of a century ago. william randolph hearst, joseph pulitzer, you know, you supply the pictures, i will supply the war kind of era, where giants roamed the media landscape. and there isn't anybody else quite like him in our modern

era. it hasn't been that way for quite awhile. interesting also, because the politics. the rule of the last few years, fox at one point was the arbiter of conservatism in some ways. candidates who wanted to run for the republican nomination for president went to fox, to win favor, in effect. the relationship with trump, we haven't gotten into yet, maybe we'll talk about that, has been so interesting, because it's not so simple. trump did not cater entirely to fox so much as they were symbiotic and a times at war with each other. they both ability shutter up and shared the same audience, the same base, if you will. and competed for. it i think that the last few years has been remarkable transformation in murdaugh's role in the society as well, and one that's yet to play out, at least as we've seen, eases off the scene. donald trump has. not >> you were once a fox news

regular. how did murdaugh and cat conservatives to be that aligned with him to the point where it's though, in some cases, they were asking fox news or going to rupert murdoch for permission to even run? >> yeah, it was part of a broader change in the media landscape. fox was at the vanguard of it. there was this creation of a conservative eco chamber that had rush limbaugh, predated fox. and it created this world where republican voters no longer even had to listen to dissenting voices, right? they could listen to rush in the afternoon, they turn on fox in the morning, they could watch fox the primetime. and so, that gave them the tv network, a monopoly that allowed them to advance propaganda. but here is the problem. i think that rupert murdoch did have a lot of influence at that time, in his heyday, in the 2010s, in the area right before trump.

candidates were coming to fox and were begging fox. what we've seen in the last few years is that a bill kind of a frankenstein monster. rupert murdoch himself, fox's influence, i can see his influence, but he was almost more of a globalist conservative. he was pro immigration reform and push that. -- and he's lost control over fox. dillon has written about this and others, and he was even dating somebody recently that was a little bit too extreme for his tastes. he started talking to this women, and she was advancing this tucker carlson conspiracy nonsense about the election, all the stuff that rupert didn't believe. he had influence, fox had influence, but what happened is that this right-wing media ecosystem that he was so central to creating ended up expanding beyond his control. and i think the network ends up being the network chasing the tale of the dog. >> i don't know, dylan, rupert murdoch might not have shared what they were espousing on his air, but they were certainly cashing in on it. think back to covid.

all of those people on fox news who are denying covid, dog in on, it going after fauci, and if you recall, rupert murdoch was one of the first in line to get himself a vaccine. >> yeah, but that's absolutely right. tim is very much on port here. the question in terms of balancing this -- rupert murdoch's sort of personal philosophy against the incentive to make money. he always sided with the dollar. i think rupert murdoch looks at what he's created and i think there are aspects of it that he finds apparent, and certainly, i think his values don't align with some of the more extremist views that have been pushed on fox news. but at the end of the day, yes, he did go for the money. he is fundamentally a businessman. he is always chasing the idea

of catering to populist instincts, to giving the people what they want, to not worrying too much about the responsible journalism or notions of fact checking or notions of truth that we try to adhere to in this industry. that has been the name of the game for him, and it allowed him to be extremely influential. but yes, i think in this these final chapters of his, life he's looked upon what he's created, and decides it's not exactly what he thought he would be writing for his final chapter. >> peter, how would you categorize his or fox news's current relationship with donald trump? because, to your last point, it's been a complicated one. >> yeah, it is. it's a complicated relationship between, you know, spouses who don't necessarily get along all the time. >> -- >> yeah, obviously, murdaugh was not particularly a big trump fan at first. in fact, he said so during the campaign twice, but what he saw was that his audience connected with trump.

and i think to tim and dillon's point, he creates trump to some extent by giving trump an ally, gives him an ally even before he runs for president by speaking every monday on fox & friends as sort of a regular guest spouting out of the obama birther lie or things like that. and i think what murdaugh found and roger ailes found was that trump in some ways had a stronger connection to their audience than fox did, which is i think a new reality in the republican conservative eco sphere. they were not longer the determinant of who qualifies as a conservative or qualifies conservatism. trump in some ways was controlling that conversation in a way that they were not. for a long time, obviously, they were symbiotic, you would hear fox and queen trump points, or trump echoing fox points throughout his presidency. but at the end, for instance, when they called arizona on election night in 2020, he refused to back off. trump essentially filed for

divorce. he said i'm done with you, but he's not really done with them, right? he can't completely break with him, nor he with them. how much they disparaged, him tucker carlson, you know, says he despised him. murdoch makes clear that he thinks that trump was kind of a buffoon. and, yet they can't ever completely break away from him, nor he from them. >> tim, people often say listen, he's a chairman of our company. do chairman's really get involved in day-to-day business? but speak to rupert murdoch's controlling nature, his obsession over every word, everything that was set on their air because he has already, always been deep in the weeds, even now. >> absolutely, i interviewed -- for a podcast, who sued the network. she was a former anchor after roger ailes sexually harassed her. she said that there was absolutely a lot of top-down demands, sales stays, ails was particularly hands on.

and after he was dispatched, rupert was very hands on after that. increasingly so, after ailes left, and then it was absolutely true that this was not some absentee clock maker founder of fox. you know, he did have an influence on the editorial staff of what was happening there. and i think real quick, to pile on to what peter was saying about his influence or his lack thereof, really, when it comes to the trump party, multiple times rupert murdoch signaled that he wanted the party to move off of trump. he didn't like trump at first. and then he came to terms with it. and then, after the election, he wasn't on board with all the stop the steal stuff and try to move the party of. it then people start going to newsmax, so we had to go back. by all accounts, he was pushing

for ron desantis and his campaign and after the midterms and wanted talks to be a vehicle for moving the party away from trump. and once again, that failed, and once again, the network is going back into trump's clutches. i do think that shows the limits in his influence and these later years. yeah, because he was focused on the almighty dollar. he didn't try that hard to move the stop the steal narrative. if he had, they would've been facing the dominion lawsuit, or what they think was smartmatic. his, anchors repeated the election lies for months, and months, and months. didn't, rupert murdoch for a very long time was viewed as indestructible until that dominion lawsuit. but is that really the case? or did the problems start? did things start to crumble with the takedown of roger ailes, with need to, with the

woman that tim just mentioned -- suing the company and beating them. >> well, i certainly think that when you looked specifically at fox news, you have in roger ailes much like rupert murdoch, a sort of singular medium bearing. that you have in roger else, a singular course an american political media. and, certainly someone who could sort of control that network. and now i think all of your viewers are very aware with all of roger l's fault, we don't need to go into those. the point was, you see sort of rope and narrative with a nine fist. and he would never let any of the on air talents, or the journalist go too far afield in terms of what they were espousing. i don't see this sort of tucker carlson of 2023. or what happened on election night of 2024 during the course of that campaign happening under roger ailes. and i think that when that happens, he sort of became harder for rupert murdoch to keep his hands on the wheel of what was happening at fox news. and this sort of goes back to that frankenstein argument that tim is making, is that this just got too big for him.

in sort of feeding the winds of the masses, you begin to court conspiratorial thinking, you begin to court lies. you certainly entertain trump, as much as report might have personally despised him. and it begins to create this sort of -- sorry, the sort of behemoths of a political force, particularly in trump that became too hard for him to control. >> okay, he couldn't control trump but he cashed in on him every single day along the way. he wasn't like this scientists in the lab and the monster got too big. he wrote that monster to the bank. >> and peter in his letter to employees he wrote this, quote elites have open contempt for those who are not members of the verified class. most of the media is in cahoots with those elites, peddling political narratives rather than pursuing the truth. who the f, is this guy cutting, he is the billion to have had one game plan? world domination for second

decades? who's going to believe this nonsense? >> well, a lot of viewers a fox to believe that they have been disrespected by the nation. >> by him. >> that was how fox, including, us including those -- and my newspaper, and your network, and i believe that that was the appeal when it first started in the 90s, we are the alternative voice. and it went somewhere from being a concerted -- that was still concerned about facts, and in reporting to a much more politicized network in recent years while they're still very good reporters there who were fighting a good. fight and there are so much, they, or themselves so distressed by some of the things that apparent, air that they know are not factual, correct and propagandistic or part of some narrative that trump's trump, that's spinning, that doesn't have any basis in reality. and you saw that in those emails.

you saw that in those text messages that came. out that they, themselves, understood what they were doing. and it was the audience, they were afraid of losing the audience. that the audience that they have seemed to control for so long was no longer under their control anymore. and that trump connects to that audience. and that sense of grievance, and that letter reflects in some ways in a more visceral way than they themselves did and that they felt, obviously pressures to avoid losing out to the other networks that were coming along like newsmax and so on. >> reeling on about the relief, maybe they'll do the same from his, what? 50 million dollar estate in aspen? we'll soon find out. peter baker, dylan byers, tim miller thank you all for being here and, for you at home, don't move a muscle. we will be back in just 60 seconds with president zelenskyy's important trip to washington. what he told lawmakers and what mccarthy denied his request to speak to a joint session of congress. the 11th hour, just getting

underway on a very important thursday night. dude? dog food in the fridge? it's not dog food. it's freshpet. real meat. real veggies. real weird. we spoke about everything, he was bad luck anyway.

about support, about the situation on the battlefield, about our plans and i can't share with the media all the details. but i think we have very strong, a very strong dialogue with senators. >> what do you say to vladimir putin? what's your message to vladimir putin? >> i'm not speaking with him. >> hours after ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy addressed senators behind closed doors, he met with president biden in the oval office. zelenskyy also spoke to some members of house leadership,

earlier today but only after speaking kevin mccarthy denied his request to address a joint session of congress saying, they just didn't have time. joining me now, william taylor, former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, he's also the united states institute of peace vice president for russia and europe. and pulitzer prize-winning journalist, my dear friend, jonathan kaye park. he's an associate editor at the washington post, and of course, you know him as anchor of the saturday and sunday show right here on msnbc. ambassador, i want to start with you. given the chaos and the house, do you think president zelenskyy is going to get what he needs for ukraine's defense? >> i do stephanie, i do. there are solid majorities in house in the senate, certainly in the senate, and even in the house and if you took a vote on this question, you just asked, you're going to get the assistance and it was passed. now it's up to smarter people than me to figure out how to get the vote on the floor. but when it gets difficult, and it will, yes i think it will pass. >> okay well that vote is going to require kevin mccarthy, who didn't even have time for a wartime president, who made a visit here to new york, to washington and said to zelenskyy, jonathan, we don't

have time today. meanwhile, they didn't have anything to vote on. what gives? yes, well that sort of compounds the image of ineptitude surrounding speaker mccarthy. a leader should be able to do multiple things at the same time. one, an effective house speaker wouldn't be in the gem that speaker mccarthy is in right now. and there by making it possible for a wartime president who is depending on american leadership, an american support to have that person address members of the house, talk to members of the house. and he could make argument that

president zelenskyy's already spoken to the house. but that was one nancy pelosi was speaker of the house. i agree with ambassador taylor. eventually ukraine will get the american funding that he is requesting, the american funding that president biden, the democratic president wants and the funding that this democratic senate majority leader montes, the funding that the republican senate minority leader wants, the only person and the only people that are standing in the way our house republicans. and house republicans who have, for one reason or another, don't think that it is in the vital american interest to defend help ukraine defend itself again innovation by russia. >> ambassador, how do you see our allies or our enemies around the world watching that today? when they see kevin mccarthy turned down zelenskyy's request, is vladimir putin seeing that as a positive sign?

maybe that the u.s. doesn't have? is it going to get the support that they once were? >> stephanie, the support chacon. the supporters have been. they're in an unprecedented volume. an unprecedented heavy weapons so that is the message that president putin is concerned about. he's concerned about all of this heavy weaponry that has shown up already in great numbers. not just from the americans. but also from the europeans. that is the message, that is the real hard message that president putin seeks. so, yes i'm sure he observes the going on's in washington. and he understands how this works. a lot of people understand how this works. in the end, jonathan is right. this will resolve itself. and the weapons will continue to flow. >> well ambassador, educate us, for those house republicans that are saying they do not want to provide any more support to ukraine, what would you say to them?

let's believe they're watching. >> let's believe they're watching. i'm sure they're watching. >> for sure. >> they are. and they heard, today, from president zelenskyy that he is fighting the fight for them, for the united states. for u.s. security. yes. those soldiers are fighting and dying for their own homeland. not just their home, the existence of their homeland. if they give up, if they lose then ukraine will not exist. ukraine would be wiped off. so that's why they're fighting. but they're also fighting, at the same time for european security, for nato security, for u.s. security and that is the message that i'm sure president southern ski gave on both the house side and the senate side. and it turns out that that enemy, the russians, one of two major concerns that we've got, threats that we've got the

russians are being stopped by the ukrainians for 5% of our defense budget. so that message, in return, by percent, that message is there. this is a strong message from president zelenskyy. >> jonathan, let's turn to a new topic. love him or hate him, mitch mcconnell is in astute politician. and he has made it clear to his party, to the public, government shutdowns are losers. they are losers for republicans. yet every day, we are moving a little bit closer to a shutdown happening. what do you think is going to go on here? >> well, we are going to have a set down because mitch mcconnell is not in charge of the house of representatives. mitch mcconnell would never, in

1 million years make himself a hostage to a minority of his majority. that is why we're in the situation that we're in. there has been much reporting about the fact that speaker mccarthy, his only goal is to get through the day. he has no long term planning, there is no long term philosophy. other than hanging on to that gavel. and one that is your only reason for being, you then came into the far-right of your caucus. and i love that the key point stephanie, that is that he can only lose four votes. and yet the house freedom caucus has more than four members. and so depending on the day, as we have seen over the last few days, one minute, one fraction of the freedom caucus can scuttle a majority vote on the rule. and the next day, another fraction of the house freedom caucus can scuttle a vote on the rule. and the speaker is probably going to find himself trying to cut a deal where he gets 2 to 18, the magic number for him. it's going to be lard it with

so much stuff. that when he goes over to the senate, even senate minority leader mitch mcconnell will look and say, get out of here. this isn't happening. and so what's going to end up happening stephanie is that a bill is going to come from the senate. it's going to go to the house. and speaker mccarthy is going to face annexed essential truths. from the government or savior speakership. and when he meets that fork in the road, you know, i know, ambassador taylor knows. we all know what the right answer is. the fact that we know that he most likely won't make the right decision is probably the most telling thing about speaker mccarthy's leadership. i would just really like to see mitch mcconnell say, get out of here. that would be entertaining.

and that's william tailors. when he does, jonathan, coming. i will be tuning in. jonathan, always good to see you both. when -- you get out of here. imagine that. when we get, back president biden takes action to try to ease the migrant crisis. here in new york, as cities across the country, to reporters who have been all over thistory are here to break down what it means for the big issues that remain. the 11th hour continues. ♪ if there's pain when you try to poo ♪ ♪ and going sometimes feels like you ♪ ♪ pushed through a pineapple or two ♪ ♪ colace is the brand you need ♪

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a story we brought you earlier this week when lots and lots of people have been talking about. president biden has been facing a lot of pressure to do something about new york city and other cities migrant crisis. well he has done something. his administration has given thousands of venezuelan migrants temporary protected status. which will let them work and live in the u.s. without deportation. here's our colleague erica byfield but nbc new york with more. >> new york city lawyers are busy today trying to help venezuelans filed legal

documents so that they could legally get jobs. that is because, late wednesday, the biden administration granted people from that south american country temporary protected status. there's a recognition that the situation in feathers so a lot is a star as my clients tell me it is every day. >> want to think the white house is saying -- this >> they say merrick adams said that this only applies to 9500 of immigrants currently in the cities care. >> now we must deal with this 45,000 that remain in a 10,000 that we are getting every month. within >> the last year, more than 100,000 migrants across the southern border and came to new york. the city is feeding, them housing them on the taxpayers time. some of the new arrivals will go to staten island today, a group of republican elected officials met. >> now, under the cover of darkness, opened up as a migrant shelter. >> they're upset that a building that used to house seniors will soon be for

hundreds of migrants. the city of new york worked with homes for homeless to establish this shelter. worth days of protests. >> this is not supposed to be a shelter. staten island needs health care. staten island needs in your care. and that's what we intend to see happening. >> most of the attention today, on the development surrounding the migrants from venezuela. the governor got asked if she thinks more people will cross the border. she said, no. because the new regulations said that they had to arrive in the u.s. before july 31st to get tp as. >> that will eliminate the -- any ripple effect that would draw more people to our country who otherwise wouldn't have come. >> and in d. c., the white

house waited. saying in addition to tps, this week the president deployed 800 more active duty military members to the border. >> we have taken steps without the help of republicans in congress to do everything that we can to deal with this issue. >> all right, then, back with me tonight my dear friend and colleague nbc news homeland security correspondent julia ainsley, and nbc new york political and government affairs reporter melissa rousseau. melissa, how significant is this move from the white house. how much will that help the situation? the least here in new york? >> what it will, do is it will give certain migrants, venezuelans who arrived here in the u.s. before july 31st of this year. the ability to get a faster path to work, okay? so, for some migrants who have been living in shelters, in new york city completely on the taxpayers time in poverty, someone really desperate situations this could be a really life-changing thing. it will give them the opportunity to work legally, we know a lot of these migrants are working off the books. but they can get abused. they are struggling to afford metro cars, they are wandering the subway trains, selling candy bars. we see them all over the city. now it's become effective. life where the city, the hope is that this move will free up some tax dollars that are not being spent on shelter, food and everything else. >> julia, venezuelans is just one country.

and i could think about half a dozen off the top of my head that of migrants coming in, also coming from tire situations. i mean what are haitian migrants thinking tonight? >> yes, that's true, i mean we did just have a new round of tps for haitians in february, but look just like haitians, venezuelans, we've got cubans, nicaraguans, a lot of people from central america like ecuador. i was just in new york city last week speaking to some ecuadorians there and this doesn't solve the problem. in fact new york mayor eric adams is already calling for the white house to do this to more nationalities, saying this only attacks about 10,000 of the 60,000 migrants in the new york city migrant system. what this does, and i've spoken to some white house officials is that it's a step in the right direction of trying to get more of these people to be able to apply for work visas. they don't want to say, or work authorizations on the record that they did this because of

new york city but it certainly applied and something dhs officials have told me later on background. this is a reason why they're doing, just to try to address the crisis in new york city and also cities across well had a lot of us will, in 420,000 of them that will not be able to apply for the special status. and, they are keeping tps for other nationalities on the table. they could see more to come. they haven't ruled that out yet. >> they know what the administration is saying, but based on your reporting, julia, melissa, julia how much pressure was the white house under? whether it was from eric adams, governor hochul, big new york donors. i mean even hillary clinton was pressuring them. >> that's, right and melissa knows that very well about the role in all of, this but they were under a lot of pressure. i mean advocates calling for tps to be reinstated, or expanded for venezuelans for a long time, advocates across the country and this will make it so that anyone who came july

31st or earlier could not qualify for that. on a lot of pressure finally, with mayor adams. but he's been calling for that for more than a year now. so the question, is why now? i mean you could point to a number of factors. but it just seems to be an increased heat in the tension on what's happening in new york. and it was seen with the start of school, we've seen more protests, we've seen an intense call. we've also seen ratcheting up tension between the biden and adams. we talked about how the dhs said the assessment team to new york to try to figure out what else can be done. they really came up short. a lot of their suggestions were even implemented by the city. so there's been a lot of pressure.

and i think it's really key to focus on the fact that they did this because they could really opened the door for them to do more. previously they said they would not consider. that's because even though it only applies to people who are already there, it could send a message that they do tps based on the nationalities that are in the country. and not because of an incident in the country. i think in this, case they're pointing to some kind of flood, or natural disaster that happened in july. but really that was all a matter of trying to figure out what they could do to address the population here. and that could change the game as they look at other nationalities going forward. >> melissa, eric adams has been asking for this for a rare year, why did it all come to a head this week? speak to us about the pressure. i mean hillary clinton, of all people saying, come on, guys let's do something here. >> he's been asking for more federal aid for your. he's been asking specifically for tps since this past april, i mean he, there was pressure on the white house, hillary and bill clinton got involved behind the scenes. and what we started to hear last week from fund-raisers in new york city, we're trying to help biden. not hurt him. they were telling us that we're having a hard time selling tickets to some of the events that the president was appearing at this week. and they were telling us that, basically people who are just growing more and more frustrated with this sort of

huge elephant in the room in new york city, and sort of radio silence from the white house. we heard the mayor out, there every day for almost a year asking for more federal aid to declare an emergency. and then the city's opening 50 shelters. 100 shelters. read more than 200 shelters. and people were frustrated. but now some of those donors are feeling like their strategy are withholding some donations may have worked. though the white house denies that's any reason why they make their decision. >> well for whatever reason, people are asking for help. and the white house delivered. melissa ainsley, thank you, i appreciate you being here. when we come back, tv fans hollywood studios return to the negotiating table. and wrap their seven day of top with the writers unit. the reporter who's covered it all is here. when the 11th hour continues.

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fact-check that myself. but you know, them talking on consecutive days, they're not making a lot of leaves out of the room. they should a joint statement out of the day wednesday. these are all very positive signs. and everyone involved in the process, they have communicated more optimism this week than i have heard in a long time. you know the last time they had real negotiations was in august. they did move forward there, but there is still pretty far apart on a couple of key issues. >> the fact that four of the biggest ceos were in the room, does that signal, they mean business? >> yes it does. you know, earlier in the process the companies were mostly leaving the negotiations to their labor experts, their lawyers. and the ceos did start to get more involved. let's angel. live but they have regular meetings, sort of a group of 12, 13 depending on how you counted. but some of those big ceos for netflix were -- and on a langley, who both, technically not seo is probably the senior most content

executive at nbc universal. they have gotten more and more involved. and i think that their presence at this negotiation, this week does speak to their growing desire to get this done before things get really ugly. >> well you said before things get really ugly, i thought you were saying before thanksgiving. i know you don't have a crystal ball but given where we are, how much longer do you think it's going to go on? >> i said, at the outset, that i figure that this would be over mid october. that was -- >> you were just flexing that. you are just flexing. i said mid october. oh, look at us. and of september. i mean, come on? >> i'm sticking with that. i think that you'll see real progress over the next couple of weeks. but remember that even if they agree to something in the room, the union negotiations have to take their membership for them to prove it. and there's a little bit of a process and all of this. so i think the writer strike we're probably looking at sometime next month. of course these talks can fall apart. but the current feeling is positive.

and then, it goes to the rioters. excuse me. then it goes to the actors. >> okay lucas, show off shaw. then it does go to the actors. give us an update of what do you think is happening there if anything. >> right now, not much. the studios are trying to get a deal with the rioters. you know the rioters were out first. the rioters have been probably the most vocal throughout the process. and when you think about trying to get the engines of hollywood up and running again, where you need scripts, you need those ideas, you need the material that they could then go and film. that's a desire to go and get the deals with the roger stone for us. >> okay before i let you go, you know, we have to talk about rupert murdoch. talk to us about the impact he has had over the last 70 years in the media world. >> well, look, one of the most influential media worlds of his era, or in any era, you know you look at football on broadcast tv and how much money they make from that with him bringing nfl to fox. that was a huge deal. you look at the influence of

fox news, obviously it competitor to this network that's been a tremendous impact on culture. look at the fox movie studio and all that come out of that. the simpsons, avatar, all of that comes from the fingers of rupert murdoch. and his family of course. but i think that he was one-of-a-kind in terms of his influence on society and culture. >> lucas shaw. lucas, always good to see you. mid october. which i told you. five months ago. show off. thank you for joining us. okay, you at home cannot go anywhere. we're going to take a quick break. but you know i like to end the show. hopefully giving you sweet dreams we will tonight, a young man rescued at sea were reuniting with the people who saved his life. you'll see that when the 11th hour continues.

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rescued at sea reunion. last night, gregory spent nearly two days lost at sea in a 12 foot fishing boat. today, he was reunited with the people who saved his life and very own sell rack was there for the emotional when union. watch this. >> never forget how you didn't just say one young man's life, but you saved an entire family. >> for a village of versus ponders, tears, hugs, gratitude from the gregory's. there's, at charlie, disappeared at sea for nearly 40 hours last month off of the coast of st. augustine. >> when you are there in the middle of the ocean, what did you think where the chances of your survival? >> zero. >> zero? >> zero, for sure. >> you thought you are going to die? >> at a percent. i wish her was going to die. a matter of one. >> chile tells me his 3m fishing trip was in the intercoastal coastal that. one of the wind knocked down his boat and dumped a cell phone out, he was whisked away 12 miles. no working motor. >> bob, bob, bob. it.

demi >> is a put aluminum boat, summer jam water, was started by shocks the size of it. >> i saw probably 20 to 30 the whole time being out there. >> the odds of a reunion, miniscule impasse, the u.s. coast guard by air, looking for a coconut in the ocean until radar picked up something. >> one of the happiest days of my career. >> the shot from charlie's parents, evidential that day in early august -- >> don't give up on the big guy. >> evidence shortly now. >> he is alive. chile's been found. he is a lot. we went from dead to living in a split second. >> a miracle reunion. also, a restoration of second hope. sam brown, nbc news, st. augustine. >> don't give up on the big guy or the coast guard. the gregory family miracle takes us off the air tonight. on that very beautiful note, i wish you a beautiful night. from all of our colleagues of

nbc news, thanks for staying up late with us. we will see again tomorrow. >> tonight on all in. >> in a true sense, i'm being indicted for you. thanks a lot, everybody. >> and an ex president scared of an orange jumpsuit urges his footsoldiers to end his criminal prosecution or anti functioning government