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eastern. at anytime over on peacock, we have new episodes on the msnbc hub every monday. don't you go anywhere because politicsnation with the great reverend al sharpton starts right now. rev, you were actually just in florida to deliver the eulogy for one of the victims of last month's racist shooting in jacksonville. it's just so terrible. can you tell us a little bit about how people are feeling? >> people are outraged and three people were killed two weeks ago today. just for being black. a white supremacist row eight manifesto, and i want to get into on the show. represents the family of andrew luck carl, who family reached 52 year old of mother of three, just killed driving and uber, from a passenger to the store, and he killed her. he shot her 11 times, two in the face. couldn't even open the casket. i'm going to talk about that. then. crumbling to talk about you
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talked about, voting rights and this voting position in alabama, with congresswoman, we want congresswoman in alabama, terri sewell, will be with me so, that coming, up. simone >> we'll be watching,. ref i'm just so grateful for you and the work that you can take away. >> i'm grateful for you. grateful for being the fabulous simone. good evening. welcome to politicsnation. ten nights lead, priorities, priorities. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> right now, the peoples business is resuming on capitol hill. congress returned to work this week with a plateful of pressing matters, dominated by a another looman shut down, and show. down over government funding, as the white house manages this summer of national disasters that home, and is continuing
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obligations abroad in ukraine. donald trump returns to the campaign trail last night in south dakota. claiming that his 70 plus indictments are literally on behalf of these supporters. though he had no less than some of those supporters, who orchestrated the assault on the capitol two years ago, have received double digit prison sentences in recent weeks for their efforts in these main. meanwhile, trump's marginally closest rifles for the gop presidential nomination went on record this, week calling the justice that has been handed down to the institutions leaders, excessive. and promising pardon. i myself just returned from florida, where i eulogized angela carl, another three black residents murdered in jacksonville by a white supremacist two weeks ago today. and black america, and i, are
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wondering where the media coverage has gone in the last two weeks? the hate crime of this magnitude disappearing from the national conversation. one of the reasons i went. and why a climate of anti black hate is allowed to persist, when jacksonville, buffalo, and other tragedies are the end result? i talked a civil rights attorney, attorney general black american ben crump, those questions, and more, in just a few moments. but before we start our show, my colleague, richard neumann, as today's top news stories. rich? >> i want to get you updated on what we've been monitoring. the latest on that quake in morocco. the sun has set on that first full ski day, since the 6.8 magnitude tremor hit close to 1000-year old marrakech in north africa, the rescue workers are spending the day covering the rubble in search of survivors, fatalities have
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skyrocketed in number as a discover yet more fatalities there. at least 1300 people killed. more than 1800 injured. a majority of which are in critical condition. the u.s. geological survey thing the epicenter was in the high atlas mountain range, and it's about 46 miles outside of marrakech. that's a metro area of about one and a half million people. now, king mohammed of morocco mobilizing army search and rescue team with helicopters and drones included, he also ordered the government to rapidly provide shelter and rebuilt houses for those of distress, particularly for orphans and the vulnerable. rocking authorities announcing three days of national mourning to honor victims of this deadly earthquake that has hit this unesco heritage site. have more for you a little bit later. keep on watching for updates for now. back to you. >> thank, you richard. joining me now is congresswoman terri sewell, democrat of alabama. and first of all, congresswoman,
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thank you for joining us tonight. >> always great to see you. >> before we get into the ongoing legal battle of u.s. states congressional map, congress returned to washington this week after month long recess, and plenty of pressing challenges are facing the nation right now. perhaps the most pressing being the looming threat of what government funding, and the threat of a shutdown it's federal lawmakers cannot agree that we are about to get into the next ten years. where are democrats priorities with congress back in session? and more specifically, those of the congressional black caucus? >> well, brett, it's always great to be on your show, and great to see you. you, no the priorities of the congressional black caucus, we spoke this whole summer, a summer of action going around, during kent city's, where we were not only having a town hall meeting to listen to the
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concerns of our constituents, but we were also galvanizing. we had workshops. we were training community activists. i believe the priorities of the congressional black caucus are the same as the priorities of the democratic caucus, which is to protect the games that we've made under bidenomics, and to protect all of the resources that were supposed to come as a part of that. and you know, i think that the looming shut down way savvy on all of us, because a lot of us, i am very much interested in the supplemental disaster assistance needed. selma, alabama, it was hit very hard by a tornado. so, we have our individual priorities, but i think writ large, all of us know we have to keep government open and we must do what we need to do in order to do that. but we are not going to help the republicans you know, shed pounds government. we are not going. >> we have the chair of the congressional black caucus, -- last week.
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he talked about that national -- that you all did with the caucus, and culminated in the march on washington -- which you were beating. i don't know how you kept all that energy. you marched all the way to the king memorial. you didn't drop off early. >> i'm from selma, we march! >> you march. you have it in your dna. let me say this. this week, let me go to this issue. this week, a panel of federal judges struck down u.s. states congressional map drawn by republican state lawmakers. the second time in less than three months that federal judges have ruled him out intentionally dilutes the black vote in alabama. by failing to create a second majority black district in the states with 27% of residents are black. a violation of the voting rights act, according to the supreme court ruling in june! the state argued this week that
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a redrawn second district amended over the summer to boost black voter participation, or voter representation, to nearly 40%, it's the best alabama can do. now, this panel of judges will judge the districts themselves through a special master's recommendation due later this month. alabama republicans are expected to repeal the decision. you are the only democrat representing your state in congress. you run the congressional black caucus, filed an amicus brief, -- objecting to this map. as we get closer to our next general election, what is the republicans game plan in not complying with the federal order? i mean, i remember as a kid, watching on television, wallace defying orders from the feds. but the supreme court? when i say wallace, i'm referring, the viewers, a former alabama governor wallace. my mother will serve alabama. but what's the game plan here,
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congresswoman? >> you know better than i that power never concedes without a struggle. this is about political power, and i believe that the republican party, my republican state legislatures, as well as my attorney general, they are fighting tooth and nail because the world is watching alabama. if we get to majority minority districts, i think louisiana is shortly behind us. georgia, i would think mississippi and south carolina are. so, this could actually change the landscape. the political landscape, in congress. but you know, the fact that the supreme court ruled that section two was alive and in forcible is key. because we know the supreme court has got it in the past. this is about fairness,. rev what we're talking about is fair representation. six members of congress from alabama, one african american. that is 14% representation. do the math.
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that is more dilution at its height. >> sticking with alabama, you are state attorney general represents a threat he made after the reversal of roe v. wade last year. in a court filing this week, he argued the states could charge instate actors and organizations that help residents pursue abortions out of state, where criminal conspiracy and accessory, which could apply to any woman who wants to get an abortion outside of alabama, and a woman herself could be charged as part of the conspiracy. now granted, states cannot regulate actions that take place outside the borders. but some legal scholars say that states can prosecute elements of a crime, in this case, alabama could insist that is protecting the rights of the unborn fetus. alabama has one of the strictest abortion bans in the nation. no exceptions, even in cases of
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rape or incest. now, theoretically, they could face prosecutions for abortions even in progressive states. how are your constituents handling this latest threat to access by your state attorney general? >> we are outraged. you know, it's not only outrageous, it's dangerous for our state attorney general and our state to penalize, to criminalize, those who help woman access reproductive rights. this is really about health care. it is not about abortion. the fact that the state of alabama will be so extreme, what not surprising, has really been an issue for those of us who understand that a woman's right to choose is so important. you, now, i think those of us in alabama who have been fighting on this front for a long time understand that it is a woman's right. this is a very personal decision. and it's a decision that should
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be made by a woman and her medical advisers and her family, and not by the state of alabama. so, as outrageous as it is dangerous, and while not surprising, deeply, deeply disappointing. >> finally, congresswoman, i'm out of time, but i must bring this issue to get you. less than three weeks after the original march on washington, 60 years, ago for little black girls were killed, and 20 other people were hurt when the 16th street baptist church in birmingham was bombed by the ku klux klan. in response to the civil rights movements successful push to desegregate the city. next week, birmingham will reflect on those deaths with a series of commemorative events. the supreme court justice, ketanji brown jackson, speaking at the church on friday. i know the first bill that you ever passed, in congress,
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awarded the congressional gold medal to those fort little gables. president obama signed that bill into law. i was a child at the time of the bombing, i was younger than those girls who were killed, and i know the reverend dr. martin luther king junior sent a telegram to alabama's segregationist governor, george wallace, saying that quote, the blood of our little children's on your hands. as we think about the recent racist murders, jacksonville, buffalo, and others, under this climate, growing hates, growing extremism, whose hands are bloody right now, congresswoman? >> i believe it is important we fight back. i know you know that freedom is never free. it comes at a great cost, and they criticize a feisty. we in birmingham are celebrating the 16th anniversary. we are commemorating it, because we understand if you don't own your history, if you
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don't make sure your history is your history, then you are doomed to repeat it. so, this will be a remembrance, a reflection, and a recommitment and dedication to the cause for which these four little girls died. i think you know, also, these four little girls, their tragic death was nothing more than domestic terrorism. i feel like many of the things you articulating, it is harkening back to that. all battles have become new again. i believe in the face of these old battles, we must use the same tactics and strategies our forefathers had foremothers used. i know i get to walk the halls of congress because for little girls lost their life in birmingham, alabama, on that fateful day. i think it's really important that we make sure that their lives were not lost in vain,
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and i think that is about keeping faith, but also, moving things forward. you know, we in birmingham and myself, personally, feel that this is an opportunity for us to recommit ourselves to all of the, you know, to recommit ourselves to the cost to which they fought. >> every commitments. you've certainly lived that in your congressional and political career. thank you for being with us, congresswoman terri sewell. joining me now is the civil rights attorney general of black america, ben crump. brother ben, we thank you for joining us tonight. as you know, i was in florida yesterday to give that eulogy at the funeral of 52-year-old angela carr who was shot multiple times by what supremacist gunman, they are in jacksonville, two weeks ago. and you represent her family. two others were killed in the attack --
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car, who are eulogized yes the day, -- i know that we try to get you in and you just couldn't get there, rather, but carr was it mother of three. a grant month or, are working as an uber driver. the severity of her fatal injuries, including gunshots to the face, led the family to decide against an open casket. speaking at her funeral in front of her family, i couldn't help but think about the appropriate cause of action, the pursuit of justice, when in this case a racist gunman ultimately takes their own life, but not before killing angela carr and two other people. simply because that were black. that is of course after he targeted and hbcu school there. and then i come back to the fact that this is florida. florida under governor ron
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desantis, where neo-nazis have been openly demonstrating in the streets. we are giving a realistic assessment of black history has been criminalized by the state. which has been boycotted by dozens of civil rights groups over the actions of his government, who shouted down a protester just thursday for calling out the conditions that he and many other black people believed led to the climate of the deaths that caused in jacksonville. and as usual, some took issue with me being there for angela carr's funeral but not the conditions that led to the funeral and the first place. not on my watch. not on your watch. your thoughts, counselor? >> first of all, reverend al, i want to say thank you for always using your platform and to msnbc when other media platforms move on, you all continue to shine a light on issues that affect black america and other marginalized
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communities. you did it with ruth whitfield and buffalo. eulogized her when she was killed by a young white supremacist. and vice kamala harris joined you at that service. and now you did it for this grandmother, angela carr. and we can say thank you enough because we continue to say that our lives matter and if we do not continue to draw attention to them then and keeps happening. you said something very critical, reverend al. the cow, would the young white supremacist, took his own life. so what do we do now trying to prevent these? we try to hold everybody who we are a coconspirator. he shot the gun but there were others who loaded it, reverend al. the gun manufacturers. these politicians who say and
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dog whistles. they internet providers that let this hate speech go rampant on their platforms. and certainly, reverend al, to all of these people who condone white supremacy, whether they are people, news anchors on conservative stations, they all our conspirators. the blood is on all of their hands and the only way we will be able to prevent this from happening in the future, i think, is we have to hold him all accountable. >> i think you're right. i said in the funeral that i don't blame the governor, anyone for someone who had mental health issues. but i do blame you for a gun legislation that allowed people with mental issues to easily get ar-15s, which is what this got used. military style weapons. he put a swastika on it. the fact that he got these kind of weapons, you cannot change people how they think, even if
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it is hate, but you can disarm them. and i left jacksonville lost not because i had another funeral to preside over today in new jersey, 52-year-old andrew jerome washington the third who was suffering from a mental health crisis late last month, according to his family, when he was shot and killed by jersey city police. they showed up on the scene at the request of paramedics who did not say filling color into his home on the august 27th incident. according to the state attorney generals office, jersey city mayor maintains that washington charge at the officers with a knife, as they try to enter. one officer firing his gun twice. another using a taser, according to the state a.g.'s office. both the mayor and the city's public safety director have called the use of deadly force justified. the mayor called for the police body camera footage to be released. i have to mention the police response included a special unit, trained to deal with
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emotional individuals with emotional distress. talking to the family, i can tell you that they only wanted mental health responders. not armed police. what is your thoughts about how we deal with cases that end up with facilities for mental health crisis. it doesn't seem to happen in other communities. >> reverend al, as you were talking, i was thinking about the juxtaposition of that. in buffalo, a young white man goes and shoots ten of these most innocent senior citizens and they police managed to take him alive. now when the family of a black man suffering from mental health calls the police to help him, he ends up dead. how is it a person who murderers people and a racist mass shooting isn't taken alive, but when there is black people who have mental health issues, you resort to using deadly force. it harkens back to where you,
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-- at the last march on washington, tickle for police reform, george floyd justice and policing act, i know congress has a lot on the agenda but we cannot let them forget that we haven't had substantial police reform in america since lyndon baines johnson's great society legislation in the 1960s. think about all those eulogies you have preached. michael brown, in focus, all the way up to george floyd. and also in new jersey. how many more of our people have to be killed unjustly before we finally address this issue. >> i'm out of time but i have to ask you, and we'll have you back, because i want to talk to you about the -- to follow up -- going to court later this month. we had them on the show.
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but i want to ask you about the former leader of the proud boys extremist group who was sentenced this week to 22 years in federal prison for his role in orchestrating the events of january 6th. enrique tarrio, his 22 year sentence for seditious conspiracy, the longest handed down to a january 6th defendant so far. but he is just one of more than 300 people who received jail time over the insurrection. yet for all of that, donald trump, whose presidency the insurrection was trying to illegally extent, has said -- in solidarity with the defendants. but two of the gop candidates competing with him, ron desantis and vivek ramaswamy have called the sentences handed down to theriot and other former proud boys excessive, even floating the idea of pardons should they become president.
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given all the years you and i have spent advocating for black defendants facing long prison sentences, for non violent crime, what does it tell you that the top of the gop presidential field have such sympathy for insurrectionists, but not for immigrants? not for immigrants fleeing violence? or nonviolent drug offenders? >> it just shows the double standard, reverend al sharpton. when there is us, it exonerated, you have president trump calling for them to get the death sentence. these are young men who have been exonerated, who have been proven to be innocent. but you have a person who led treason on the united states congress. you have sympathy for them. it is such a double standard that we are living in in
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america right now. i believe we have to continue -- hold it in the right to america's face. and say, you have to acknowledge the hypocrisy. you cannot look into this to america's and say we don't have a problem. we have one justice system for every citizen of the united states of america. reverend al, i message it. the march on washington a week ago reminded us of our moral compass. thank you for picking up the mantle and continue to remind america about moral compass, now more than ever. >> thank you, attorney general of black america, civil rights attorney ben crump. thank you for being with us, as always. just ahead the former leader of the proud boys messes around and finds out. well, we'll talk about that.
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prosecutors as they chief instigator of the january 6th attack on the capital and was accused by the government of directing some of the actions that day, although he wasn't there. tarrio was convicted of seditious conspiracy, receiving the longest sentence of any january 6th defendant so far. tarrio's conviction follows for other proud boys who learned their fate last week, all of them accused of using violence to keep then-president trump in power. two republican presidential candidates, ron desantis and vivek ramaswamy called the sentences excessive and wrong. however, the man they swore to protect hasn't said much about their cases at all. they're only left with an anti-promise trump made earlier this year to pardon a large portion of those sentenced over the capitol attack if he
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retakes the white house in 2020 fall. of course, trump has legal troubles of his own he's worried about. especially the two he faces on charges of election interference, which was brought in washington by the special counsel jack smith and the other in georgia by the fulton county district attorney fani willis. he has pleaded not guilty in both cases. i have little sympathy for anyone who perpetuates trump's conspiracy theories, pushing the lives of others and the will of the people in harm's way. the proud boys were dealt a tough blow by the justice system, particularly enrique tarrio, who has since apologized for his actions. but as of now, his later, donald trump, has left him high and dry. and i imagine he's feeling like a scapegoat. what does he expect from trump who is only out for himself? here is a listen. you played fire, you will get
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politicsnation. we are continuing to keep a close eye on north and morocco were more than 1300 people have been killed and more than 1800 have been injured and a 6.8 magnitude earthquake that hit last night. this tragedy is the most recent example of extreme global natural disasters that we have witnessed recently. such as costly devastation from hurricane idalia in florida, one of the deadliest wildfires in u.s. history and hawaii, and the record breaking heat worldwide, really, for the summer. joining me now, here is rhiana gunn-wright. she is a writer and -- at hammer and hope magazine and is a green new deal policy
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writer. thanks for joining me today. let me go right to it. four years researchers have highlighted that climate change and climate related disasters hurt communities of color the most as a result of systemic and environmental racism. experts are warning that these disasters are only bound to become much more extreme as the world's fallen short of mitigating the problem. i know you helped create the framework of a green new deal. how can future climate legislation, specifically address the needs of black communities, as well as other communities of color at the front lines of climate disasters already present and to come? >> that's a really good question. so first of all, all future climate legislation needs to focus both on building renewable energy and climate adaptation and resilience.
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we know that climate change is here. the job is to save as much as we can. and to stop as much as we can. and what's crucial there is making sure that local infrastructure is resilience to climate, that we have things like micro grids that can survive storms. and black and brown communities are the least likely to have climate resilient infrastructure. and so future climate legislation needs to both center those communities and the build out of renewable energy and invest deeply in those communities to make sure they can stand up to the disasters that are coming, and will continue to come. >> the what house recently celebrated one year since the passage of the inflation reduction act, which experts have celebrated as the most significant climate legislation in u.s. history. the goals are to reduce emissions by roughly 50% below levels recorded in 2005.
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2030 as well, unleashing a clean energy and manufacturing boom. however, you recently wrote an argument in hammer and hope, arguing the i.r.a. has many provisions that leave outlet people. can you elaborate more on how black americans are excluded? >> i'm going to separate it into three buckets the. first bucket is the sort of concessions that senator manchin was able to extract in exchange for his support for the i.r.a.. and that included the approval of the mountain valley pipeline and the -- resuming oil and gas late sing empty golf. both of those things disproportionately affect low income black and brown communities and particularly in the gulf, that is already subject to so much pollution from fossil fuel infrastructure. it sort of once again traits that area as a sacrifice zone
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for continued fossil fuel development. and that just the case for a fossil fuel development. fossil fuel development, fossil fuels, the way that we produce and used in our inherently unjust. to any continuation of that is a continuation of environmental injustice. the second way is that there are provisions in the i.r.a. that disproportionately benefit middle income white people, particularly homeowners. and so that means that they are leaving out renters. they're leaving out low income homeowners who are less likely to have tax liability for their credits which part nonrefundable. and also have less upfront capital to invest in those renovations, period. and who are also most likely to have their property values increase because of those renovations. property texas thus increase and possibly be priced out, throwing to frying areas. and then the third bucket is the i.r.a. is releasing a lot of federal money to states,
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some of whom are governed by folks like governor ron desantis who don't care about racial justice. and what we were seeing is that in those instances, and some of those instances, you are seeing state and local governments try to use racist tactics like imminent domain, which is happening in tennessee, where they're trying to use eminent domain and lowballing black homeowners in order to get the land necessary to build a battery plant. so the problem there is that right now there aren't at lot of or county royal to prevent that once the money hits states. >> i'm out of time, but i asked cute one more question. i know you are now writing a book about the intersections among white supremacy, addiction, and the climate crisis. explain briefly your thesis on this. >> yeah, so briefly. there is a theory in systems theory that systems could have
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addictions, much like people have addictions. and so what that means is that your using something that purports to get you to a desired outcome, but is really hurting the ability of the system to deal with the root problems that are causing, that are making it difficult to get that outcome. so my thesis is essentially that white supremacy functions as an addiction in our systems and it has both helped create the climate crisis and is holding us back from addressing the climate crisis, and that thinking about that can also open up new ways to create the kind of green transition that is inclusive and centrist black people, and to win that actually creates a green transition that works for us all. >> let me know when the book is out. we'll talk again. rhiana gunn-wright, thank you for being with us. coming up, voters and one state challenge donald trump's illegible to to run a third time for the white house.
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largest 5g network can do for your business. >> welcome back to politicsnation. let's now bring in my political panel, msnbc contributors and political strategist susan del percio, a republican, and juanita tolliver, i democrat. susan, right now, former president donald trump is
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attending i was in state college football rivalry game, marking one of a few visits he has made to the state that holds the republican first known caucus. his visit comes just days after a group of voters from colorado sued to keep him off the states ballot under section three of the 14th amendment. that amendment says, no person shall hold elected office who's engaged in insurrection or rebellion. colorado it was the first state to challenge trump's eligibility. but night be the last. here is how trump directed to the news. >> what they're doing, and it's called election interference, and all these lawsuits get in the way. now the 14th amendment is just a continuation of that. it's nonsense. nobody's even said its insurrection. by the way, there wasn't any guns at the capitol.
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you know, the insurrection is frankly, the people that instructed on the election and rigged the election. those are the insurrectionists. >> what is your reaction to this lawsuit and what challenge does opposed to trump's candidacy and your judgment? >> well first let me say, what don trump said was just absurd. it just didn't follow any train of thought. however, rev, if this was to be something seriously concerned, it should have been done no later than last year. it should have been discussed. the court cases should have gone forward. to try and get him off the ballot in some states is, i think, going to be very dangerous for our democracy. it is too close to the election to stop these things. he has not been charged with insurrection and i understand how a case can be made, for certain, but there is a flipside to this that i've heard from leading scholars. again, i'm not a lawyer. that's not even the issue for
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me. it is how this looks and what it will do and how it will tear apart our country. we thought january 6th was bad, i think this will be far. boris >> waneta, newly unsealed report from the fulton county special grand jury shows it recommended an additional 21 people to be charged in georgia, in the georgia election interference case. but ultimately, fulton county district attorney fani willis decided not to move florida. the report listed some familiar names, including republican south carolina senator lindsey graham, former republican senators from georgia divert purdue and -- loeffler, and former national security adviser mike flynn. what is your read on how they managed to escape indictments recommended by the special grand jury but not brought by the grand jury that indicted others? >> right, i feel like looking
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at this report i was taken aback, just like the rest of the public, but i often remind myself, there's a whole lot that i and the rest of the public do not know. only the district attorney and her prosecutorial team knows exactly what they didn't bring charges, and they know if they will never bring charges. that's still unclear to. but what is clear is that people like trump and lindsey graham and others have used this as another political moment, or a political tool, to level even more attacks against the prosecutor and the dea in fulton county, and that's what's harmful. i also think about the explicit statement from lindsey graham yesterday after this news came out, and he made it clear that he has every intention in 2024 of question or challenging election results out of other democratic stronghold counties, like fulton county. and that is truly alarming and concerning. and somewhat unhinged. knowing the delicate place our democracy is in right now. >> so is, and among the 19 people that were charged in fulton county, is donald trump
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's former chief of staff mark meadows, who asked to his georgia election interference case moved a federal court. meadows argues that the charges against him are related to his actions as a federal official. however, federal judge on friday ruled that meadows did not show the actions that triggered the states prosecution were related to his federal office. meadows filed a notice of appeal after the ruling. what does this mean for any of the defendants, including trump himself, may want to move their trial to federal court? >> for mark meadows specifically, he's basically using, i committed a federal crime to get out of being in state court. and then a federal crime is the hatch act. he's not allowed to do campaign activities in the white house. he has to do it, quote, on his own time or at least offside. so that is why the judge threw it away.
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donald trump could be a different case, but what i see with don trump's use that as a means of just delaying the trial. the big question from mark meadows now is, i think, does he make a deal? does he try and get an early trial? but no matter what, the early trial coming up with two other codefendants will start showing their cards. and what donald trump's team is going to know, what he's facing. >> last question. former house speaker nancy pelosi said she will run for reelection and the house next november as the democrats hope to retake the majority. how do you interpret her decision to run and what does it symbolize? >> i mean, there is no question that nancy pelosi is a juggernaut within the democratic party. i've said that in the context of political mentoring, political messaging, but also in terms of political fundraising, right? nancy pelosi has been someone who brings and $8 for democrats, who is able to then distributed
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across other house races in critical race for democrats. so she's running again to keep doing that. and she also made it clear that she's running again to be a thorn in donald trump sought. considering the democrats are going to have to give everything they've got in 2024, i say the more the merrier, the bitter and assets that nancy pelosi can be, i think it absolutely helps democrats and the next election. >> all right, juanita tolliver, susan del percio, thank you both for being with us. just a quick update following that six point at magnitude earthquake that hit morocco, friday. the death toll has climbed with officials there now reporting at least 2000 dead. the number of injured now stands at 2059, and more than 1400 people are listed in critical condition. stay with msnbc for more updates throughout the not on the story. i'll be right back with my final thoughts. final thoughts
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in a hate crime, one of the phrases we had the march, and pieces of jacksonville, florida. little did we know at that time that there was a white supremacist that would be given to that store and taking her life and the life of two others. a life that we brought -- to the president and vice president that monday in the white house. we have, in the last two weeks, kept this coalition together. in fact, it was jonathan greene barack, the hit of the and a defamation league, that went with me to angela carr's funeral and jacksonville yesterday. a week ago, after the match, they or neo-nazis that marched in the same state of florida, in orlando. we must fight hate. whether it is against blacks, gays, jews, asians, lgbtq, and we much just -- police informant today, a day
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after doing the eulogy in jacksonville, i did a eulogy and jersey city for andrew to run washington the third. a young man with mental health issues. his family wanted assistance, they ended up with him killed by jersey city police. they march was a great beginning. of a new understanding. of what we need to do collectively. but waited and with the drama and publicity of and march. the work begins now, and like karen black and martin luther king authorities, and all those working together, we are determined to stay together until we win and keep fighting off at the march six years ago, we must keep fighting now. that does it for me. thanks for watching, i'll see you back here tomorrow at five pm, eastern, for another live hour of politicsnation. american voters with alicia menendez starts right now. >> thank you so much reverend sharpton, hello everyone, i'm illicit i

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