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for ari starts right now. welcome to "the bet." i'm katie phang in for ari melber. we start with legal heat on donald trump. special counsel jack smith firing on all cylinders, iryou'ring a superseding indocument in the mar-a-lago classified documents case, adding a new codefendant as well as new charges against the former president of the united states. this coming as he reportedly gears up to indict trump in the january 6th probe as well. nbc news has new details today on this meeting we told you about yesterday. u.s. marshals meeting with law enforcement outside of the d.c. courthouse. we can report today that they were discussing the potential for violence and protesters around the expected indictment of former president trump. "rolling stone" reporting today that jack smith is questioning witnesses about claims trump called his team's election lies "crazy." nbc news has not confirmed that reporting.

but it does come on the heels of recent "new york times" reporting that smith was asking witnesses if trump knew that he lost the election. trying to decipher whether trump was acting with, quote, corrupt intent. the grand jury is scheduled to meet next on tuesday in the january 6th probe, and now we also have a new court date down here in florida. new classified documents case codefendant carlos de oliveira, reportedly the mar-a-lago property manager, is scheduled to make his first appearance in court for his arraignment on monday. the superseding indictment alleges de oliveira helped trump and walt nauta move those many, many boxes of classified documents and conspired with trump and nauta to delete mar-a-lago surveillance footage. the indictment alleges, quote, at the mar-a-lago club, nauta and dayal live vara went to the security guard booth where surveillance video is displayed on monitors, walked with a flashlight through the tunnel

where the storage room was located, and observed and pointed out surveillance cameras. then de oliveira told another trump employee that, quote, their conversation should remain between the two of them. and de oliveira asked that employee, quote, how many days the server retained footage? the employee responded that he believed it was approximately 45 days. to which de oliveira insisted that the boss wanted the server deleted and asked, what are we going to do? joining me now is maya wily, former sdny civil prosecutor, thanks for getting the show started. maya, you've now had the chance to review this superseing indictment. we were going through it last night together. i wanted to get your new thoughts now on the extent of donald trump's attempts to obstruct justice through not only deleting or attempting to delete the surveillance footage at mar-a-lago, but also i think buying cooperation from nauta and de oliveira through things

like paying for their attorneys? >> apparently possibly a fourth defendant, mr. taveras, who if that reporting is accurate, is one of the people mr. de oliveira was talking to about surveillance. so i think this is -- i don't know that there's a lot new to say. the reality is we're just seeing the mounting and specific nature of the evidence of donald trump's direct engagement with trying to ensure not only that he could hold on to reams of documents he wasn't supposed to, not only hold on to national security information that endangered the national security of the country, but his direct involvement in trying to ensure that the federal government didn't get them back. and i think the thing that is so damning about this, what is suggested in this indictment, is the length to which donald trump went. if they can prove, and it looks like they have the evidence from

this indictment, that he had the state of mind that he was sending directions and directly involved and engaged in conversations including getting rid of the potential evidence that was going to demonstrate that he was lying publicly and to investigators when he was saying he had turned over all the documents. >> dave, is this the quintessential example of when the cover-up is worse than the crime? >> yes. katie, obstruction is really damaging for the president because not only is it a standalone crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison, but it shows consciousness of guilt for the other crimes that are violations of the espionage act. why would you want to destroy the video? because you knew what you were doing was wrong. so this helps juries believe that the defendant is guilty. obstruction is a double whammy. it's its own crime and will help convict the former president, and perhaps nauta and day

olvera, of other crimes. he's got a lot to be worried about right now. >> maya, considering the chronology of events that have been set forth in the superseding indictment, the level of detail, some of when we believe that special counsel jack smith actually knew about when he filed that original indictment. do you think that we're at this stage because de oliveira was charged because he refused to cooperate with doj? >> i think that's a real possibility. it certainly would be a plausible explanation about why we have the superseding indictment. you know, to your point, we know that mr. de oliveira spoke with investigators on a voluntary basis back in january. this is obviously -- there's been a lot of evidence amassed and amassing. but his role and the fact that there are documents, apparently, in the form of text messages and other evidence, discussions with many witnesses, suggest that there was probably a strong indication for them that mr. de

oliveira, and again, potentially mr. taveras, were deeply engaged in trying to hide these documents. so it's one of the explanations for certainly why we're just getting the superseding indictment now. and it's also not a surprise then that we're seeing this very explicit nature of this statement about donald trump paying the legal fees for people who otherwise might have a lot more incentive to flip if they were hanging out there by himself, themselves. it's the way of his pac to provide incentive for them not to do that. i would argue that's perhaps not in the best personal interests, given the evidence that suggests that we're going to see. nonetheless, that seems to also be something that leans in favor of trying to put more pressure on them to do what might be in their best legal interests. >> buying people's silence is definitively, i think, a trump m.o., one we've seen before.

we have a superseding indictment filed. what can we expect during de oliveira's arraignment on monday? >> he'll plead not guilty, he'll have a lawyer paid for by donald trump, then the pressure will begin on both de oliveira and nauta to flip. nauta thought he had a good situation. he was the only codefendant. and he was going to stay loyal to the former president. but now with the indictment of de oliveira, now it puts pressure on nauta to flip. because now jack smith has a potential new dance partner, you know? the first one to accept jack smith's proposal is going to get the biggest ring. and the other one gets a lump of coal. so you've got to get -- accept the offer when it comes to you. now you've got these two guys who may be playing off each other. de oliveira and nauta have important information, but in the end i don't think jack smith needs them as much as they need jack smith. because jack smith has something better, he has the notes of

trump's lawyer, evan corcoran. he got that because of the exception to the attorney-client privilege that they were used in the commission of a crime, so the feds have trump's lawyer's intricate notes. i think with all the evidence that jack smith has, this is heading towards an ultimate conviction. >> yeah, but dave, you know, the biggest concern a lot of us have is how slowly the wheels of justice can turn. we have a may 2024 trial date. reporting that de oliveira's lawyer is not even barred in the state of florida, let alone in the southern district of florida. do you think we might see a repeat of what we have with walt nauta, this repeated attempt to be able to get local counsel in order to get day olive arraigned in the first place? >> this is the risk jack smith took when he indicted another defendant in this case. he knew that in adding a third defendant, it would slow things down.

because when nauta slowed things down, that hurt jack smith's attempt to get this thing tried in december. and now in may. but now you've got another defendant. he's going to help trump by trying to say, i can't find a lawyer, i need more delays. that will definitely help the boss, as they call him. i think jack smith is more concerned when it comes to the documents case in getting it done right, getting it done before the election. because i think you're going to see an imminent indictment over january 6th, attempts to overturn the 2020 election. and i think that case will be heard before the documents case. that will be up in washington, d.c. they're going to get a judge that's used to this kind of stuff. there's not going to be a classifieds documents delay going on. i think that case will be tried first. i think this case is likely to be tried after the election. >> maya, put dollar signs on what we were talking about a few minutes ago in terms of trump footing the bill. more accurately, not donald trump, his pac, footing the bill

for multiple lawyers representing multiple defendants. nbc news reporting trump's "save america" pac paid nearly $190,000 to de oliveira's attorney's law firm last year. i will add this caveat. the lawyer, john irving, he represents other people that are in the trump world. so it may not necessarily be just for de oliveira. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. and i think this is really -- it's such a big number. it's certainly not surprising to many of us who know how much it costs to have legal representation. and also why it's such a big incentive for people to take the help and potentially how that gets used to silence them. and look, we've got to remember michael cullen. remember, he was also offered trump counsel. he ended up turning his back on it. we saw him and we saw what's happened as a result of that. in this case, it's a little

different. because michael cohen didn't cooperate either. he just kind of went out on his own, did not actually seem to ask for a plea deal. but the reason i just make this point, you made the point earlier, this is donald trump's m.o. and i think the interesting thing here is going to be, see how much -- because a lot of folks, particularly other candidates in this election, are going to be able to use this fact in their own ads. they're going to be able to talk about what's happening in the world in the sphere of trump. particularly use it against him. so it's going to be very interesting to watch how this all plays out in the election cycle, whether or not the case is actually tried before the election. >> maya wily and dave air ren berg, good to see you both. coming up, our special look at the right-wing content that could soon be given to schoolkids right here in florida. liz plank is here on the gop's "barbie" freakout and that it has to do with a big fight

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the indictment describing the document as, quote, top secret, not to be released to, quote, foreign nationals. the special counsel describes the document as a presentation concerning military activity in a foreign country. the indictment also contained the transcript of that meeting, and we have the tape. >> well, with millie -- let me see that, i'll show you an example. he said that i wanted to attack iran. isn't it amazing? i have a big pile of papers. this thing just came up, look. i just found -- isn't that amazing? this totally wins my case, you know. except it is, like, highly confidential. >> yeah. >> all sorts of stuff. pages long. look. wait a minute, let's see here -- look at that. >> yeah. >> see, as president i could have declassified it, now i can't. you know, but this is classified. >> now, there is an open question. jack smith had much of this information in the original

indictment. but he didn't bring a charge related specifically to this iran document until now. what changed? exactly how important is it? joining me now is andrew weissman, former mueller prosecutor and fbi general counsel. good to see you. start with that question. how important is this new count? there were several, 31 to be exact, willful retention of ndi counts in the original indictment. each one as a standalone count carries its own penalties. why do you think now? >> first to the question of why is it important? i was always sort of curious about why it was described in the indictment but not charged. one theory was that the conduct at issue was taking place in bedminster, in new jersey, and thus there was an issue that was potential, at least, that the venue would not be in florida if they wanted to bring that charge. to the extent that was an issue,

this indictment clears that up. because they say that that indictment, although it was in bed minister for some time, was also in florida. in other words, the illegal retention was in florida. that may be something new that they discovered and were able to pin down after bringing the initial indictment, so they then had the ability to add it to the florida case. but why is it so important? before we get to sort of why they did it now, it is so important because that tape recording is now going to substantiate an actual charge. it's not just background evidence or other crimes evidence. that tape recording is something that the jury can hear and be told, that tape is with respect to this charge. if you're a prosecutor, you have the defendant on tape talking about the crime. can't get any better than that. so that's why i think it's a really important addition to

jack smith's arsenal. >> so andrew, let's drill down a little bit more. because i think it's important for people to understand. there was language in that original indictment talking about documents being put in boxes, being put on a plane, and flown to bedminster. so we're talking about the ability to maybe bring a case here in florida. keeping it all kind of nicely into a box in terms of the prosecution versus trying to maybe have to do it somewhere else, like in bedminster? >> yeah, so the constitution requires that a prosecutor bring a case where the crime occurred. sometimes a crime occurs in multiple locations. but here, one of the things that people speculate about, including myself, was that they may not have brought it because what they saw happening was happening in new jersey and bedminster, and they didn't have sufficient proof to tie it to florida. so that wasn't included there.

there also is some speculation that they didn't actually have the documents. in other words, they weren't able to find exactly what the document was. well, i don't think that really is it. i think the prior indictment did reference an actual document. but this indictment makes it absolutely clear, and they've traced it sort of from florida to bedminster and back to florida. and then this document actually makes its way to the national archives. it is nosable, this is the one document that's charged out of all 32 that actually was eventually returned to the government by donald trump. the others all had to be seized by the fbi in that search. >> so then, andrew, the fact that there was a, quote, voluntary return -- which again, i don't think the voluntary really is proven up by trump in any way. but the fact that it was returned by donald trump, does that undercut in any way jack smith's prosecution on this particular count, seeing how it was returned and not recovered

either by the federal government courtesy of evan corcoran going through the boxes in june 2022 or through the execution of that search warrant a couple of months later at mar-a-lago? >> so it certainly complicates the story. in other words, you have an additional thing that you have to prove. but if you're asking me is it worth it? yes, because to your point, it was hardly voluntary that it was being returned. this was something that was returned only after months and months and months of the national archives trying to get it back. and just remember, the crime here is the illegal possession of the document. and not returning it after being asked. that happened over and over and over again for over a year. so this isn't going to be much of a challenge for jack smith. it's just, it is a different story with respect to this document than the other 31. >> and andrew, i've got 30

seconds left. we've got to be quick. i wanted to ask you, proving this up if you're jack smith, just the sheer existence of the document combined with the tape in and of itself, assuming it's authenticated and entered into evidence, because it includes an admission by donald trump as a defendant in this case -- do you need more than that? do you need the actual people in the room to cooperate to be able to testify on behalf of the government to be able to prove this connection between count 32 and this secret military plan? >> yeah, so you do need somebody, and there are at least i think four people to be able to say, that is the document that he showed me. in other words, the document that is at issue, i recognize that, that is what he describes. so you do need one of those people to do that. but you also -- for instance, it's not going to be that hard to corroborate them, because you have donald trump on tape, as you just played, describing the document. so the jury's going to be able to say, yep, that looks exactly like the document, and we know

that's something that donald trump returned to the archives, we know he possessed it. so this is like one and one and one, you've got three. >> it's the duck test. looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck. it's a conviction of donald trump for willful retention of ndi. andrew weissman, thanks for joining us, i appreciate you. >> you're welcome. we are tracking the breaking news. the legal heat on trump. today he got asked directly about the possibility of getting convicted and sentenced. ruth beniot is here on holding tyrants to account. ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ moderate to severe eczema still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash.

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as new charges hit trump and another potential indictment looms, he's taking new direct questions about a possible conviction. >> if going forward, right, you got these indictments, there ends up you get convicted and sentenced, does that stop your campaign for president? if you're sentenced? >> not at all. there's nothing in the constitution to say that it could. and not at all. even the radical left crazies are saying, no, that wouldn't stop. and it wouldn't stop me, either. >> i mean, as absurd as that sounds, it's true. he would be allowed to run. even from prison. trump would be counting on maga

supporters to back him regardless of his prerser in number, to willingly deny the damning evidence, to willingly turn a blind eye to the truth. new polling shows 50% of republican voters don't even believe that trump had classified documents hidden at mar-a-lago, even the ones shown in his shower. and despite that photographic evidence that you're seeing on your screen from the indictment showing the classified documents in trump's bathroom, despite trump even admitting that he took the documents claiming that he was allowed to. >> i took the documents, i'm allowed to, i have every right to under the presidential records act. i was there, i took what i took. they should give me immediately back everything that they've taken from me. because it's mine. it's mine. >> i mean, i heard it. you heard it. there he is. he's admitting he took the documents at issue. we know that. but look at this. trump is gaining support in the

gop primary across two indictments so far. that is the political dynamic at this point as the legal accountability, though, barrels forward. joining me now is ruth ben giat, history professor at nyu, the author of "strong men: mussolini to the present." ruth, your reaction to trump saying, i'm running no matter what, indictments and convictions be damned? >> well, yeah, it's completely normal for authoritarians to run for office with legal troubles. i mean, think about it. he has invested years at building himself up as the behavior of the nation. also the victim. but the defender of the nation. i alone can fix it. what choice does he have? he can't just drop out, because he is a cult leader. he's invested also many years having this very special bond of loyalty with his followers. if he steps away, he becomes

irrelevant, he disappoints them. the real reason is, though, that the point of his candidacy is to get back into the white house and be able to shut down anything that threatens him. and this is our turn in america, but other countries have gone through this. berlusconi ran in italy three times under investigation. putin initially was under investigation. in israel there's big drama now, netanyahu's been indicted for bribery and other charges and he got back into power and they always become more extreme when they come back, if they have a hurry to vindicate themselves. and now he's trying to control the judicial system. and this is why trump has an army of operatives now working. there was a "new york times" story, they're working to kind of have a whole plan when he comes in to purge the civil service and take control -- they'd like to -- the judiciary,

the fbi, anything that threatens him. because authoritarians need to feel safe. and the purpose of government for them is to be able to commit crimes with impunity. >> ruth, there's a parade of republican lawmakers continuing to show support, regardless of what they see in terms of facts and evidence. you know, i don't want to be too jaded here, but are they just creating a new norm in terms of criminal prosecutions? maybe because they are fearing in the future they could be looking down the barrel of something similar and they want the same treatment? or is this just them kneeling at the altar and praying at the altar of the cult of donald trump? >> it's both. because the competent authoritarian like trump, he knows how to make others complicit. and that's what he did with all of his crimes. he required loyalty, not expertise. that's what -- so he transformed the gop into an autocratic party that has these dynamics of, you know, fealty to the cult leader.

january 6th was a demonstration of loyalty to the cult leader. he was in distress, he summoned them, and all of the gop politicians who conspired in this, they're all complicit now. some of them are true believers in his mission. maybe lindsey graham. but others are tied to him now because they see their own destinies as yoked to his destiny. if he goes down, they go down. they don't understand that somebody like trump will throw them under the bus without a second thought. >> yeah, i think you said a competent authoritarian, ruth. it must be a friday because you're being very generous when talking about donald trump to call him competent. ruth ben-giat, thank you very much. still ahead, new reaction to the right-wing furor over this. >> some things have been happening that might be related. ♪ when my world changed ♪

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florida becoming the first state to allow educational videos from a far-right nonprofit group to be taught in public schools. preger-u describes itself as a free alternative to the left-wing ideology and education. videos feature conservative pundits like ben shapiro, tucker carlson, and candace cohens. they peddle cartoon lessons featuring historical figures like booker t. washington and christopher columbus pushing a right-wing viewpoint. >> future generations are never responsible for the sins of the past. >> the place i discovered was beautiful. but it wasn't exactly a paradise of civilization, and the native people were far from peaceful.

>> preger-u cartoons generally push conservative views on issues like climate, race, and gender. >> unlike coal or fossil fuels, energy from wind or sun is unreliable, expensive, and difficult to store. >> as the false claims of racial targeting spread, so did the anger and violence. >> men and women complement each other and create a well-balanced family and community. so don't let anyone tell you it's bad to fit stereotypes. >> try smiling and see how it affects the people around you. don't be a crusty old man. there's nothing feminine about that. >> huh. that is the current environment that educators are dealing with here in florida. and it's hiving an alarming chilling effect. a middle school teacher resigning over the new black history teaching standards, calling them watered-down and wrong. joining me now is eugene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning columnist for the "washington

post." eugene, should schoolkids in florida or anywhere in the united states be taking lessons from a group that draws its inspiration from team like tucker carlson and ben shapiro? >> the answer is, of course not. this is outrageous. this is the third most populous state in the nation. and here we are. they're feeding this rot to schoolchildren. it's outrageous and dangerous. and this is ron desantis's world. this is what he'd like to see, i guess, for the whole country. but it's really a disaster. it's a tragedy. because some schoolchildren in florida are going to have to listen to this stuff. and are going to be influenced by it. and these are not educators, obviously. these are right-wing influencer

clowns who are -- for them to design a school curriculum is just -- it's just -- it's sad. and it's infuriating. >> and to your point, eugene, this preger-u stuff is right-wing propaganda, but doesn't that show you some of these gop officials are fine? people like desantis and his board of education, they're totally fine with brainwashing kids as long as the brainwashing is with their favorite conservative talking points? >> absolutely, that's the whole point is that the brainwashing be done by these right-wing figures who, in the case of history, who propound a version of history that's ahistorical. that didn't happen. and so you have decades of educational curricula that have been developed by actual historians. and then that's what they're trying to get rid of for

political reasons. and again, it's tragic. because the students are ultimately going to be force fed this rot. >> yeah, eugene, that's the point, right? because the removal of the opportunity to learn the truth about our history is what's being institutionalized in the public school system in a state like florida. then you have teachers that are now faced with a very real dilemma. either follow whitewashed history because it's been blessed by the board of education and it's supposed to be used in our public schools or risk losing their jobs. what are they supposed to do? >> it's a question. i applaud that one teacher, i think in the jacksonville area, who resigned in protest. but of course, not every teacher can afford to leave their job.

i think school boards and perhaps local schools will have some agency in deciding whether or not to actually use this stuff. it's not like everybody has to use it yet. so we'll see. i would hope there would be essentially no pickup from actual educators on stuff that's not educational, that's rewriting history, and that's doing the opposite of what they got into the business of education to do. >> eugene, one of these preger-u videos praises confederate general robert e. lee for crushing a slave rebellion. that's the kind of stuff -- >> oh, yeah, that's the kind of stuff. >> it's horrible. there's no words. there's no words. >> there are no words, but we'll have to use some. >> we'll probably get in trouble

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decide whether to enshrine abortion rights into the state's constitution. polling indicates the ballot initiative already has 58% support. but gop lawmakers are trying to make it harder for that to pass by raising the threshold from 50% to 60%. a similar fight is playing out across the country with activists in states like florida and arizona looking to add ballot measures on abortion rights ahead of 2024. joining me now is liz plank, author of "for the love of men" as well as multiple substack pieces on the "barbie" movie, including "for the love of ken." always so good to see you. let's start with this "barbie" outrage. how did barbie of all things become part of the right's so-called anti-woke agenda, joining m&ms, bud light, and "the little mermaid"? >> "barbie" is a movie about a fictional toy, right?

a fictional girl. it's not real life. i think we do have to take the criticism and the particularly male backlash to the "barbie" movie seriously. the things that men like ben shapiro and right-wing activists are saying they don't like, things like men and women being against each other. one gender being better than the other. men and women not being able to collaborate with each other. those aren't products of feminism, those are products of the patriarchy. you could argue that ben shapiro, it's not that he hates the "barbie" movie because it's feminist, he hates it because it's not feminist enough, right? at the end of the movie we see the potential of what could happen when men and women really go on a journey to feeling like themselves and feeling like humans, truly human. so maybe the "barbie" movie needs to be longer. maybe then some of these right-wing activists would be into it. >> you wrote something so fascinating in your piece. "ken's self-esteem is not

intrinsic or conditional. even when in charge he needs barbie and the others to obey him in order to be okay." it sounds like republicans like ben shapiro, they're insecurity, needy men with sbrrt complexes and need to dominate in order to find worth. it could be that deep, it could not be that deep, but a little absurd to see this type of outrage over a film. >> right. i think the backlash, you know, speaks volumes. or just how loud it is speaks volumes to your point. i don't think ben shapiro hates the "barbie" movie because he hates women, i think he hates the "barbie" movie because he thinks he's ken. i actually think that men -- sorry, i don't think -- ken and men sound the same, it's really hard to do this, say it in one sentence. men actually -- ken doesn't represent men, ken represents the masculinity that traps men. he represents this -- what you're really referencing here,

where men need to have a certain income, to be associated with a certain partner. we put these pressures on men. it's not men that are imagining these things. these are prerequisites of a traditional, very old model of masculinity. and for so long we were so afraid of barbie confining girls into one model of femininity. we have to expand the conversation to think, what could men be outside of ken in this traditional model of masculinity? let's imagine something better for all men to feel enough and to go on this beautiful journey of self-discovery. >> liz, let's talk about something more serious in the real world. this idea about power and control and the exertion of it over women and their bodies. ohio's republican secretary of state actually saying and admitting that republicans were trying to make it harder for this ballot amendment to pass to be able to allow the enshrinement of the right to an abortion in that state's constitution. what are your thoughts about the fact that they don't care,

they'll just say it out loud, they're going to try to do everything in their power to make sure women do not have reproductive rights? >> yeah, i mean, look. abortion is more popular than congress and the supreme court combined. the right to abortion in many respects is the "barbie" movie of the year in terms of policy-wise, right? so sure, these lawmakers can keep sending money and keep spending a lot of their attention and resources on passing amendments or making pro-choice amendments harder to pass. but what i would really love to see them do is maybe go to therapy, right? figure out what's going on inside of them that makes them feel like they need to control what happens in someone else's body. inside someone else's body for them to feel okay. and so in many respects, i think a lot of lawmakers have to go on a journey. i think there are a lot of similarities here with the

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a check-in from the desantis campaign. "the new york times" reporting he began the reboot of his campaign in iowa where he tried to engage in small talk with iowans, but his attempts didn't always seem to land. the "times" reporting on this awkward exchange with a kid eating an icee. >> what is that? >> icee. >> yeah? that's probably a lot of sugar, huh?

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