everybody who is aiming for it. that does it for me. you can catch me on msnbc weekends 2:00 to 4:00. deadline white house starts right now. it is 4:00 in the east on a hot summer friday. clandestine chats about the boss, a new member of the criminal conspiracy following the ex-president and a mic drop moment that shuts down the ex-president's lies about waving around sensitive war plans. and a staggering superseding indictment in the classified documents criminal case. significantly adding to donald trump's criminal exposure. let's start with the iran attack plan that trump allegedly showed to people. here is what he said about fox

news days after he was indicted. >> there was no document. that was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about iran and other things. and it may have been held up or may not. but that was not a document. i didn't have any document per se. there was nothing to declassify. these were news paper stories, magazine stories and articles. >> and lordy, there's a document. the superseding indictment from dojcristal clear that there is a dole and trump is lying full stop. and they now have the document which means of course that if exists contrary to what trump said. "new york times" report that the dated indictment provides specific dates in which that he was possession of this document from the day that he left office through the day he turned over

15 boxes of presidential material to the national archives. specify tis of the dates indicates that prosecutors have the document in question and the indictment describes it as a, quote, presentation concerning a military activity in a foreign country. it also adds a ew character in the efforts to obstruct the justice department. the special counsel has alleged a conspiracy between the ex-president and his valet walt nauta saying that the purpose of the conspiracy was for trump to keep classified documents he had taken with him from the white house and to hide and conceal them from a federal grand jury. now the special counsel is alleging a third person is involved in that conspiracy. and the co-defendant a carlos de oliveira, a maintenance worker at mar-a-lago. prosecutors allege that not only

did he help walt nauta move boxes around for the express purpose of hiding the classified documents from a search by trump's attorney, he was also involved in, quote, attempting to delete security camera footage at the mar-a-lago which you been to conceal information from the fbi and the grand jury. so here is how that goes down according to the justice department. fbi agents noticed surveillance cameras during a june 3 visit to mar-a-lago to retrieve classified documents. news of a subpoena for that security footage prompted a scramble. trump himself speaks for 24 minutes just one day after trump's business receives a draft the subpoena. and walt nauta cancel as planned trip with trump and flies down to mar-a-lago and meets with de oliveira. two days of a at the their meeting, de oliveira spoke to trump employee four who nbc news can confirm is an i.t. employee.

and this is a scene that will sound familiar to anyone who has watched as many mob movies as i have. from the indictment, de oliveira told trump employee four that their conversation thoo vee main between the two of them. and de oliveira says how many days does the server retain footage. and employee four says he believes approximately 45 days. de oliveira says that the boss wanted the server deleted. employee four says he didn't know that he would know to do that and didn't have the rights. and de oliveira says that he would have to reach out to another employee who is a supervisor of security for terrorism's business organization. de oliveira then insisted to trump employee four that the boss wanted the server deleted and asks what will we did.

and new indictment with stunning items. and we'll begin with our friends there today. >> and after the news broke, i went back and read it and i pulled out from the original indictment this piece of projection and obsession that carolyn glenn i think can attest to as just a through-line in the entire trump story. but the original indictment has this line in it.

on page 22. while meeting with trump attorney one and two, on may 23, trump in sum and substance tells the following story, as mem oral lized by trump lized by trump attorneyen would. he was great, did he a great job. you know what? he said that it was him, that he was the one who deleted all her emails. the 30,000 emails because they dealt with her scheduling and going to the gym and having beauty appointments. he said that he was the one who deleted them. trump's delusions about hillary clinton may have put in motion trump's criminal conduct for which he has been indicted twice. you couldn't make it up in a bad mob movie.

>> this is why i'm enamored with you because that is my favorite paragraph, it is paragraph 55 evened in my brain. and it is where he basically turned to mr. corcoran and said why can't you do for me what hillary got her lawyer to do for her. which is false. he is like why can't you get justice for me. and that is obstruction one. the new indictment has now obstruction one and obstruction two which is now let's destroy surveillance tapes. just an incredible scene.

and people are always trying to relate it to mob cases, but this is just classic getting the coverup and obstructing. you actually have in this indictment discussions of the new defendant de oliveira and nauta doing a walk talk outside of the proper because they are clearly concerned about surveillance. and so they take a walk talk to have a discussion where it is presumably about what is happening and why they can't get rid of the tapes. so this is an incredible crime story with the former president being at the heart of not just taking the documents but then really engaging in according to the government it concerted and repeated pattern of obstruction. and he clearly thinks that this is just a normal course of events. it will be very interesting. i keep repeating this. that for judges who are overseeing him in terms of his

bail conditions, this is the kind of thing that if you are a judge you worry about a lot because somebody on bail has clearly shown that he has disregard for the rule of law. >> and there is also this veil of reptilian conduct that has shrouded trump's exposure. he faously doesn't write things down. in this one he is the only protagonist. there is no one else who calls them the beautiful mind boxes.

he is the chief criminal in this conspiracy. >> and when de oliveira says the bottom, he is not talking about bruce springsteen, right? i think that less godfather and more white house, right? there is a sense of real panic here. and what also makes jack smith such a difficult adversary for trump is how well the documents have been put together. there is a real narrative. you can print it out like i did and annotate it because it really has unlike a lot of our news stories, it has a beginning, middle and end. and you get a real sense from

this of trump's mindset as we're going through this and the slow dawning in his mind of how much trouble he is actually in. i think that is what is really interesting. and nicolle, you talked about his obsessions driving all of this. on the bedminster document, that is an obsession with milley and with being demeaned by the military establishment that he has consistently railed against. so this entire case in addition to having all the legal dimensions again is we're kind of in the mind of donald trump. and we're prey to his obsessions. and i think what we're really seeing is him questioning his initial approach to this and understanding just how much trouble he is in. >> and look, carol, that goes to his state of mind. if you know how much trouble you are in and if you want servers

deleted, you know that you've done something wrong and if you know that you've done something wrong, you don't have the that they were i mean, i can declassify them by thinking them defense. you don't even have that in your delusional imagination. the conduct is so plainly incriminating. it really is as many of the legal experts have been saying since last august such a clean case. good they could -- if they could proof that they found that donald trump arranged things to be moved, and if they could prove that he instructed an aide to do that and ultimately a ton more records that donald trump was not complying with a criminal grand jury subpoena, then their case is -- was really

clean. but now these two additional pieces that we've learned sequentially from jack smith's fairly determined and methodical investigation as andrew said, obstruction one, oh, actually, let's just make sure that we don't return some of these and telling aides who know that he asked them do that. and obstruction two, let's delete the serve. and if the government can prove these things and my interpretation is that they are trying to flip mr. nauta and mr. de oliveira as key witnesses who are in a lot of trouble if they don't cooperate, if the government can prove these things and can point the finger directly at donald trump, this is a case in which, you know, mob bosses are typically behaving this way. not former presidents. not even regular people. regular people upon receiving a grand jury subpoena say, oh, my goodness, i need to get a lawyer

and quickly comply with this. they don't say let's find a way to hide some of the records and then let's delete tape recordings that would show that some of this stuff was moved around at my direction. and it was november 2022 and it has gotten devastating since. again with my caveat if the government can prove it. and if nauta and de oliveira flip, i don't think that there anything else but like 1,000% conviction. >> wow. wow. for you to go that far, that is the first time i've heard you say that. and brandon, i -- i mean, i felt that the obstruction case mostly took place in full view once we saw sort of the extraordinary

release of the approve the search itself. to see it in black and white is a stunning reflection of something that i think you and andrewavmpar order all of us and that is the meticulousness.order all of us and that is the meticulousness. and there is this probably basic thing to folks like you and andrew, but if you talk to everyone, you will find the one person who will take you inside the conspiring part of the criminal conspiracy and in this case it is employee number four who says that why think that i have the rights do that. and that is trump seems to have made. when you are running such a sloppy conspiracy, all it takes is one person to put jack smith inside the room.

>> it is an important point in terms of understanding that what we're seeing is that the special counsel's investigation is active and ongoing. one of the questions in terms of why now, why for example weren't some of the allegations in the original indictment, and it is because that they are still attaining new evidence. it seems that some is connected to nauta's phone and so i think a lot of that goes to how serious this obstruction piece is.other obstructive acts alleged in the original indictment, they are about hiding. not disclose being why the boxes are, not disclosing to the government the truth of who moved the boxes and at whose direction. ultimately that truth still exists. it is just now more difficult for the government to get that. when are you talking about

destroying a server, destroying recordings, if that actually occurs, that evidence will no longer exist. you can no longer get take record. so this is why it is so compelling. >> one of the things not clear was the role that the footage played. and carol takes us back to an important point of this in november when it is public facing and we're sifting through what we see. it is not totally clear what they see on the footage. but i think far less than what the government ultimately recovers. this may not be central to proving the crime, but we still don't know why he wanted to keep what he wanted on to keep and why he went to extraordinary

lens, one to move it, two to hide it, and three to corrupt and endanger the freedom and livelihood of his low level staff. >> this an open question. i've always had the view that there could be multiple reasons. not only -- you know, one reason for one adult and a different reason for another document, but it there could even be multiple reasons that the president was retain this is with respect to the same document. it could be personal bravado that i have this, it could be that knowledge is power, it can be leverage in terms of what he might want to extract from somebody. it can be a whole variety of things and it can be that they are mine. and that is something that as we've talked about, how the jury

can speculate on, will you it is not an element of the crime.but an element of the crime. the one thing that the schemes will make clear to the jury, you don't really have to decide that because you know that the defendants knew that they were doing something wrong and intended it. you don't need to obstruct not once but twice if you didn't do anything wrong. i mean, this is -- as glenn said, is this like watergate, it is the coverup. and here you have two. and as brandon correctly said, you know, one is bad enough, but the other is really intending to get rid of the documents all together. and to carol's point, the surveillance tape is what will be really important evidence and the obstruction with respect to it is going to be so central.

because jack smith will tell the jury that this is the evidence that they does not want you to see. that they were trying to get rid of. >> and carol, a quick last word. what is amazing to me in reading the 61 pages again today, is it that trump thought that he would get away with this, with sending his i.t. guy to delete servers. i mean, you thought that he would get away with this. he a got caught. it really does put a big question mark over everything else. >> glad you mentioned that because it makes me wonder about a lot of previous lawsuits and legal action brought against donald trump. for example, we don't know whatever became of the investigation into his taxes. and his repeated miraculous tax returns which showed had he didn't owe any money year after

year after year. and it raises the question about what he thought that he was going to get away with there. or michael cohen, what he thought that he was going to get away with in claiming that the payments to stormy daniels were simply legal fees that he was paying michael cohen for his great legal advice and michael cohen obviously put the lie to that. just seems like a series of events in which donald trump doesn't think that the law really applies to him. and again, with the caveat that if jack smith can prove what he alleges in thesed pieces of material, i think that it will give a lot of prosecutors and investigators questions about previous cases. also for us as reporters, why are there so many people who work for donald trump who are enlisted and feel comfortable doing some of the things that jack smith alleges that they

did? surely they knew that lying to the fbi is going to be a problem. carlos de oliveira is accused of lying to the fbi and saying in january 2021 that he never knew thinking about moving any boxes from the white house. jack smith said he did move the boxes. walt nauta is alleged to have lied to the nba. why do so many people agree -- why do people agree according to jack smith to participate in the scheme at great risk tofnba.y d why do people agree according to jack smith to participate in the bnba.y do so many people agree why do people agree according to jack smith to participate in the inba.y do so many people agree why do people agree according to jack smith to participate in the ba.y do so many people agree -- why do people agree according to jack smith to participate in the a.y do so many people agree -- why do people agree according to jack smith to participate in the . why do so many people agree --

why do people agree according to jack smith to participate in the scheme at great risk to their freedom. >> and i've always asked in a political context, but you're right, these were crimes especially if one was about getting rid of surveillance footage that were probably already on tape. carol, thank you for starting us off. and when we come back, much more on all this including one of the ex-president's lawyers reacting to the new indictment saying that jack smith's case against trump is one for the ages. plus these are the two leading candidates for the republican nomination. one facing even more criminal charges for his alleged concealing of classified documents. and obstruction of efforts to recover them. and the other is trying to tells us that there was a silver lining to slavery. go gop. a look at the choices the republican party faces next. and later in the broadcast, the extraordinary hypocrisy from the right when it comes to the boss wanting a server deleted. that and more when "deadline: white house" continues. more wh whe ithouse" continues your brain is an amazing thing. but as you get older, it naturally begins to change, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. the secret is an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish.

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i think this original indictment was engineered the last 1,000 years and now it will last -- the superseding indictment will last to antiquity. i think one thing that has been ignored in the discussions so far though is, you know, and this is trump dealing directly with nauta and de oliveira. at a time where evan cocoran has been told that there are no additional documents. that they don't have anything. and his lawyers certainly, you know, were advising him at some point advised him not to destroy, move or obstruct this grand jury subpoena in any way or the government's request in any way. so this is trump not going just

not just the behind of back of the prosecutors, but also the back of his own lawyers and dealing with two people who were extremely loyal to him. >> we're back with glenn and andrew and brendan. glenn, i don't know what about listening to ty cobb oig weigh in on lawyering for trump. because none of it is new.weighn lawyering for trump. because none of it is new. pd i like lawyers who don't take notes. and he has an evan corcoran someone who watches the news and knows thati like lawyers who do notes. and he has an evan corcoran someone who watches the news and knows that lawyers have to you can their rear ends to not be a part of trump's criminal conspiracies. and there is some irony that it is trump's lawyer, evan corcoran, who is sort of a turning point witness in this

entire investigation. >> what is interesting a person, trump, who talks so much about loyalty, tend to say treat the people around him as disposable object, right? you put together a spreadsheet, not everybody in the legal sense, but put together a spret she'd of his cabinet and of his west wing staff. no one has ever seen turnover like that. if anyone levels criticism, he says that they are idiots. and so the president has not shown a ton of loyalty to the people around him and now his lick liberty, his future might rely on the loyalty of the two lower level people who are in the crosshairses of the investigation. it will be interesting. skarl said she thinks about this

is about applying press about them. and we think the same. so interesting if we see if they stick with him. >> and very learned from reporting in the "new york times" that walt nauta was lying. and so that his role was literally on the tapes that they had. and it seems possible that if he does cooperate and he says who told you say that, that there could be more charges for trump in terms of witness tampering. >> and that is what brandon said earlier about it being an ongoing investigation.

and we heard earlier in the day yesterday that we were expecting something coming out of jack smith's office. we thought it might be related to january 6 and it turned out to be this superseding indictment. and while we are focused on the january 6 stuff, next week i expect the cadence to continue as the government keeps peeling back the onion. and it is a very, very dangerous situation. take away donald trump as an individual. i know you can't, but any other case where you have this preponderance of evidence, we'd be talking about plea negotiations. trump won't engage in those things. and we don't know what jack smith is thinking, but it the government i think says okay we'll have a brick wall on trump and we have a very different situation with the other two individuals.

>> brandon, what do you think in terms of cadence? it is maybe a new normal of the ongoing nature and the ability to marshall new information and new evidence and keep going. >> i think this could be the last incident of superseding with respect to the mar-a-lago case. i think that this is a reluctant decision by prosecutors considering the may trial date and any action that they take to -- they are now introducing a new defendant. that potentially delays the trial indicate and in fact the government filed a notice specifically saying to the judge this is what is different about these indictment and these are the reasons why there is no reason to delay. and another piece when we talk about the day dance, at the same team that we saw the superseding indictment, we saw the

government file a motion describing how they are negotiating with defense council with handling of classified information and they have made remarkable unprecedented concessions in terms of that. and i think that that is reflective of the fact that they are willing to go to great he lengths to hit the may trial date. >> and so take us inside that back and forth. >> in order to access classified information, there is a protective order that has to be in place that explains the rights and restrictions. and government filed two weeks ago what they want the protective order to be for that and defendants objected. and what we learn yesterday, the government is saying that the typical restrictions put this place here, we're willing to concede some of them in this instance. and so for example, in every other case that i've ever been a part involving classified information, the defendants have to sign what is called a

memorandum of understanding and agreement with the government that says that we understand the rules here and we will an by by them. and in this instance, the defendants objected and the goeft said that is fine, we won't require a made ran dumb of understanding. a second piece is that they are saying that the former president can get access to all the crass filed information. typically when dealing with defendants who mishandled classified information, there are potential restrictions. so i've never seen this before. >> and remarkable that you could join us today. thank you all so much. happy friday. coming up for us, what do some of the most conservative

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first guy. ron desantis punch line. it is so bad that the gla governor is spending this we'll spending his education standards that require middle schoolers to learn the benefits of lake-effectry. slavery and folks who eventually parlayed being a black smith into doing things later in life. i have to hand it to him, it is a rare day when tim scott and kamala harris are criticizing you over the same thing. and he turned into a speech about loyalty. >> you have to choose, are you going to side with kamala harris and liberal media or will you side with the state of florida and i think that it is very clear that these guys did a good

job on those standards. it wasn't anything that was politically motivated. you've seen dr. allen out on tv talking about the stories, talking about his own family his taker and everything. so don't side with kamala, stand up for the sight. >> so the problem is that kamala harris stands with tim scott and the vast majority of the human beings living on plan the earth. and that guy and trump with the leading contenders. and those tonight they will appear at the same event at the lincoln dinner. and joining us for the conversation david jolly and also ayesha mills is here. >> you know, i don't even know how much more that i can say at

this point this week about this total clown, all right? ron desantis. but let's attack this idea that reasonable sensible thoughtful scholars think that there was some value in enslaving people and that slavery somehow gave black people fortitude and talent that they can use in life. that is ridiculous and false. there is no credible scholar and certainly no credible student of african-american history that would suggest that there was anything good or glamorous or useful in the outcomes of enslaving people. and the other piece of this i want people to be really thoughtful about, you know, it wasn't an accident that black people came here in bond annual agment e but made the crops slive. we came here with a deep skillset of farming.e but made .

we came here with a deep skillset of farming.but made th. we came here with a deep skillset of farming.made the cr. we came here with a deep skillset of farming. so it was intentional that people already skilled, including people that had other kinds of trades, black smiths or otherwise, that were chosen to be forced in to bondage to do it and do what the white couldn't do. and so, you know, when you look at the inventions and the fact that there was a cotton gin that somehow made the work easier that enslaved people were able to innovate and make the task work better, it wasn't because they were a bunch of stupid people that were lucky a that white taught them, but it is because they that they had the trades to build this country into what we are today. and so the idea that white nationalists run around claiming that there wasn't any value and they had to get other people who were smart enough do the work

that somehow they did a favor to people, is just false. certainly not an academic theory and not reality. >> ayesha, i want to pull the thread also, so ron desantis is standing by a policy that would have young children learn that slavery wasn't all bad. it had its benefits. the students of florida can't say that garbage at microsoft or wherever they want to go work. you can't go into the world, you can't be a leader and sit at the head of your board room or if you are a teacher sit at the head of the classroom anywhere but in and lead other individuals or be a part of the workforce that believes that. i mean, it is beyond standing in front of a bus and saying i'm with the slif slavery had its benefits crowd. you are destroying credibility of a generation of young people

in your state. collateral damage is massive. >> i've never been able to understand about republicans who attempt to derail and get a great education period all with the idea that parents should be the ones that make the decisions as if the parents are smarter and some has to do with fate. because at the end of the day, the people who cling so much to capitalism and the idea that anybody should be able to make as much money as possible and start the corporations and be smarter than the next guy, those are the same folks who don't want their children to have the intellectual capacity to compete in a global economy, to be able to create and have ideas that they are able to create the companies and be titans of industry because they are producing solutions to make the world go round. and so it is such and on going

hypocrisy of denigrating education, wanting people to be deaf, dumb, blind and ignorant to society. and also champion that you should be smart enough to get rich. that is not the same thing. and so i don't know what is up with them not caring about education, but it is really a travesty and i'd say that that is why florida students have such horrible test results relative to the rest the country and certainly globally can't compete in math and signs. >> and so bottom line, that is it is not working. david jolly, i want to show you tim scott. if reveals how bad desantis really is in the eyes of other republicans. we'll be back with that on the other side. we'll be back with that on the other side. back with that on te other side

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i think part of the reason our country as struggled is d.c. republicans all too often accept false narratives, accept lies perpetrated and the lie that kamala harris has been perpetrating even when that has been debunked. the way you lead is to fight back against the lies. it is to speak the truth. >> david jolly, he was a d.c. republican before he flied around on jets. there are no word z. he is full of it. some and i think you see the shattered vanities of 3z. he is full of it. some and i think you see the shattered vanities of 3. he is full of it. some and i think you see the shattered vanities of 3. he thought he was december anyoned to become the president because now might finish fourth or fifth. he is also wrestling with hms to

get out of this bag. he wants to give voice to the right ring and he has about your burnished the reputation and it is k567ing up with him. and so this is classic desantis. he says i didn't do it, i didn't do it, scholars it. but he does do it with the anti-woke bill which says that white floridians should not be made to feel guilty for their role in enslaving black americans. that is the premise of the entire legislation he championed. and this is ron desantis' agenda in action to deny terrible parts of slavery and to suggest that

black slaves should be grateful. and i realize is this a bit highway hyper wol lick, but he risks being the modern day george wallace wing of a modern rep party.ighway hyper wol lick risks being the modern day george wallace wing of a modern rep party.ghway hyper wol lick, risks being the modern day george wallace wing of a modern rep party.hyper wol lick, but h being the modern day george wallace wing of a modern rep party. once that reputation sticks, it is stuck. ? and he is talentless as a retail politician. i'll show you an example on the other side. example on the other side store your things until you're ready. then we deliver to your new home - across town or across the country. pods, your personal moving and storage team.

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there was no deleting or servers like hillary clinton. >> what about the server? >> clinton. email serve. secret private server. >> hillary's secret server. >> how about the searcher put in the basement? illegal email. >> there was and an illegal server. >> and wipes it clean, that is okay?nd an illegal server. >> and wipes it clean, that is okay?d an illegal server. >> and wipes it clean, that is okay? an illegal server.

>> and wipes it clean, that is okay?an illegal server. >> and wipes it clean, that is okay? these are crimes. they and they are. it is 5:00 in the east and astonishing whatever and whomever touchdown accuses of doing something especially when it is someone else that he accuse of doing something. he is usually done it himself or about to do it. and that stunning compilation of trump's hardwired obsession with hillary clinton's he email server, it was made by our friends at "morning joe." t. shows cases what is coming back to haunt him. in the new indictment that lays out new charges including that trump wanted to wipe his own server in order to delete security camera footage. keep in mind that this happened shortly after the justice

department sent a subpoena saying that de oliveira and also employee four wanted it take completed. and they did not believe that he would have the rights do that. and trump employee four told de oliveira that de oliveira would have to reach out to another employee who was a surprise are off security for trump's business organization. de oliveira then insisted to trump employee four that the boss wanted the server deleted and asked what are we going to do. trump now faces 40 counts in a classified documents case and he has pleaded not guilty to previous charges. of course hypocrisy over hillary clinton's handling of classified material in her emails not limited to the president. member of his party are also guilty of having a double standard when it is one of their own accused of wrong doing. and here is what republicans had to say about hillary clinton's

emails back in 2016. >> hillary clinton is disqualified from being commander in chief the united states. in fact one of her first acts as president may be to pardon herself. because hillary clinton stored classified information. >> and no other american could get away with this. just because you are a secretary of state, former first lady, former senator, shouldn't gut away with it either. >> and so here is the exact same three republicans had to say since donald trump was discovered to have classified documents at his private residence. >> hard to tell anymore what really happened and what didn't. the documents that were at mar-a-lago were turned over.

if the process wasn't followed, something needs to happen. >> if he wants to store it in a box, he can do that. >> we have never had a new president who launched the entire department of justice, the entire machinery of justice, on a vendetta to persecute, to attack, to investigate, to indict to try to throw in jail the former president who it should be noted is also currently the leading contender on the republican side to run against the current president. >> flagrant brazen unapologetic is where we begin the hour. and we have katie bennett and also joining us pete strzok.

and charlie, you have my favorite headline so i'll start but. jack smith has the war plan. can do i get that right? >> yeah, we were wondering where they were.n do i get that right? >> yeah, we were wondering where they were. do i get that right? >> yeah, we were wondering where they were.do i get that right? >> yeah, we were wondering where they were.o i get that right? >> yeah, we were wondering where they were.o i get that right? >> yeah, we were wondering where they were. that was a case of that was then and this is now. and so many things that have become hardwired into the republican party. projection, shamelessness, and the double standards. feels old story to talk about hypocrisy and the republican party. we know once that they accepted the hollywood -- actually once they accepted donald trump as a plausible candidate for president. but you know, you are seeing how much of this is just pretextual, that they never cared about hillary's emails or servers, but it is among the many delicious

things about the superseding indictment is the way that jack smith uses donald trump's trump's own words from 2016 about the severity of the kinds of security violations, using him, using that in his own indictment. and so once again we're seeing how an absolute reversal. and those montages i think really do demonstrate how far the republican party has come and how deeply engrained the sort of hypocritical mindset has become. but if you defend donald trump, you basically decide that you have no standards and you will defend everything. so, you know, as you and i have said over and over again, irony has been beaten to death by hammers because if it hasn't oig we'd sigh it is on the death bed and long gone in this political culture. >> and the thing that jack smith is digging up is trump's

obsession with his perception of behavior, right? so it is in the indictment, jack smith's indictment, it includes a paragraph with trump says i want that guy who deleted hill very's emails. he is so trapped in a time capsule of delusion.hillvery's . he is so trapped in a time capsule of delusion. it is probably lost the irony of being charged with the crime of participating in a conspiracy to delete the tapes. >> yeah, i don't know why you wanted to trigger me on a friday afternoon. but when my team and i were investigating hillary clinton in 2016, literally donald trump would not stop talking about the server and her and then you know we hear now that he was telling his folks to delete the seven h. server. the dissonance is remarkable.

but what strikes me is how broad the behavior is. he was obstructing at every turn playing games with the national archive, playing games with the inventory, moving boxes around, telling his attorney to move the boxes. telling walt nauta that he will get him an attorney. this is a pattern of all the different things. statements, financial inducements. just time and time and time again. and so how flood is stunning. and then, too, this is not new behavior. this is the way -- go back to the mueller report and look and you see how he tried to shut the investigation down.

just astounding to see it laid out. >> and so volume two of the mueller report had six obstructive acts. what was clear from the early stages of the investigation when the government took the extraordinary step of releasing the application for the search warrant is that the obstruction sort of smacked you in the face. i asked on this show why was not the obstruction part charged immediately because it was all out in public. when you see it in black and white and you see that it goes to trump's state of mind for the crimes and efforts to obstruct the government's ability to investigate the original conduct, it is clear why people like bill barr can't get off tv to say how strong the government's case is. >> bill barr understands that it

is clear cut behavior. and interesting again we see the justice's department trying to make clear that this doesn't have to go down this way. donald trump could have given the documents asked and he went to great lengths to hide the documents. and also interesting, the department is in some ways being directly responsive to donald trump's recent public statements particularly about the iran war plan that he waved around. and we've spoken to someone who verified. not identified, but that person is there. and this has a couple things to the trump campaign, public, things that people can't see in

a press release but can say through its indictments that we have more cooperating witnesses than you thinking. and the statements that they are making false in public will be something that could come back to haunt you in court. and it is saying to trump's lawyers while your client may be making public statements, you are circumscriing what you can say and do in a court of law. >> such a good point and impossible to get inside jack smith's ahead. maybe we'll ask pete do that for us. but he does seem to be implying some of the incredible amount that is in the public arena in terms of trump's own words on things that are very specific to what he has been charged with. >> smith writes that trump made

the follow statements.

>> it looks that it proves that he knew what he was doing but he did not thinks laws applied to him. >> and i think that the document is so important. it was so dramatic. existence of an audiotape where he is waving around a military document that he concedes is top secret. that he says when i was president i could have, but i cannot now. and then later denied that it existed at all. and jack smith is calling his bluff. which andrew weissmann has stated makes it far more likely that the jury is now going to hear that tape. hear donald trump chuckling with

his buddies as he talks about one of the most sensitive imaginable documents. i mean, we are not talking about appointments for yoga sessions. if we were -- if we were making up a simulation, a test, what would be the most egregious violation of confidential information in the u.s. government. it would be something like plans to attack a foreign nation. that if it fell into the wrong hands would quite clearly put the lives of service men and women in danger. and so, you know, i agree that obviously the coverup, obstruction of justice, the sort of mob boss vibs from donald trump is significant, buff it really comes back to this war plan and jack smith saying that here it is, the jury will hear it.

>> pete, i want you to weigh in on what employee four is saying to de oliveira and also now i don't have the rights do what the boss wants me to do, which is to delete the servers. explain. >> yeah, i think that there is some question because some folks have said that and say that i don't have the right to do it that somehow he had a moral quandary. but it is important to note that he says i don't have the rights do it and that they need to call somebody else to do it who is a supervisor. so i think he's saying my permissions don't allow me the ability to delete it. whether he did or did not have the account permissions to do that, that was the fig leaf, who

knows, but employee four has not been indicted. and so it really appears that they are not one but multiple cooperateders who are providing information to jack smith and his team. one document is listed. and it was classified at the top seat secret level. and this is much more sensitive. and so your viewers know top secret is if it is released to anyone could reasonably be expected to cause grave damage. this information is so sensitive

that we can't share it with our allies. that is how sensitive it is. and that is allegedly what trump was waving around to all these outsiders. >> and importantly to pete's point, he was waving it around as part of a press strategy to attack mark milley. there is little debate about what he was trying to do. he was slighted by him and so trump made milley one of the major targets of tucker carlson and he has politicized the role and that job. and what he was waving around, something so sensitive as pete said couldn't even be shared with the closest allies. and part of a retribution campaign. >> donald trump has done this before. he has not had a great deal of respect for classify

information. and what is interesting is how it would play out before a jury pool. >> and though are talking about in books before that and nothing bad happened. and so with the public knowledge that there are conversations that exist td around how to deal with iran and whether or not it should be attacked. so i think that they will say that there were bits and pieces already out and nothing bad happened. and so while it was classified at the time had already started to dribble out with no real horrifying consequence. so this does not impact the letter of the law or violation of the law. but when the jury is listening

to the arguments made by both sides, they will be listening for things like that. and prosecutors will try to argument opposite point that this document and others, it shows not just the national security of the united states could have been harmed but donald trump himself is the one person or one of a few who should have known more than anybody how serious this was and their responsibility makes this violation even more grave. >> kate, pete, thank you both for starting us off. and when we come back, president biden doubling down on his criticism of maga republican senator tommy tuberville for holding up military promotions and putting u.s. national security at risk in the process. our nextfronted tubber

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republican party used to always support the military. but today they are undermining the military. the senior senator from alabama who claims to support our troops

is now blocking more than 300 military operations with his yaend. military families have already sacrificed so much. unsure of where or when they change stations or get housing. military forced to take career decisions not knowing where they with apply if a new job. all because one senator from alabama. >> and it is a remark him state of and i haves and that was president biden taking aim at republican senator tommy tuberville. his crusade to hold up appointments will now stretch through the august recess. for five months tuberville has blocked nearly 300 military promotions for top generals and admirals in protest over a policy that increases access to abortion health care for service

members in states where abortions are banned. and several have spoken out against the hold including the nonprofit organization iraq and veterans of america. watch that. >> let's bring in the iraq war veteran and chief executive officer of iraq and afghanistan veterans of america allison that

you just saw in that video. and charlie sykes is back with us. tell me about the exchange. what was his excuse. >> i don't think that he had any excuses. he was pretty dismissive. and i actually think that the most disappointing comment he made is that he tried to minimize the fact that these are only 250 or 300 promotions out of 2 million. if you are that one officer and their family, it feels a little more consequential than he tried to make it out to be. >> and if you are one of the 2 million, who do you think leads you. likely one of the 250. seems to have a cascading effect to the entire u.s. active duty military. no? >> definitely. you have some doing two jobs at once. there is paralysis across highest levels of the military.

this has compounding effects. and so it is a shame not to have it resolved. >> and it says something really important and really terrible about the republican party, that that has gone on as long as it has. either mitch mcconnell degrees or he is impotent. and whatever it is, we should debate it as a country. but the fact that they are either willing one person damage u.s. military readiness, u.s. military morale, national security, over an extreme policy position, something that is granted to people serving in foreign countries is -- >> yeah. and you know in, terms of political malpractice, and there has been so much of it, but to allow america's dumbest senator to inflict this kind of

self-inflicted wound on republicans is in fact mind bobbling because there is one thing that the republicans used to stand for, it was national security. and they still claim to be pro military. and yet the damage that senator tuberville is doing is very real and a gift to the biden administration. and i do think that it is a legitimate for the president to call it out. but i think that it is -- you know, it is really a puzzling question. why do fellow republicans allow him do it? it is bad politics and frankly why do the senate allow him do it, why could one senator put the national security at risk? i do think that it is important to call out the way in which the clown show of our politics plays in a very dangerous world.

this is one of those issues where there are real consequences and it hurts real people. and also it makes us look like we are feckless. and that is dangerous. i don't know why mitch mcconnell is allowing it to get away with it except he is afraid to take him on. and i don't think why the senate democrats do something. but i think that the problem's criticism is completely justified and she keepit -- he should keep it up. >> and mitch mcconnell can acknowledge that this could cost the majority. but he hasn't seen anything yet. >> and it goes to one of the

strengths supposedly of the republican party. hard to imagine where anyplace where this is politically effective. and we have talked about elections, but in terms of the damage thatis it is inflicting on the u.s. military. and so if -- i mean, turn it around. imagine if you had liberal democrats who were doing this to the military. imagine if you had the progressive caucus making it impossible for the leadership of the military to do its john. can u job. are you imagine the reaction of the republicans?john. job. are you imagine the reaction of the republicans?ohn. job. are you imagine the reaction of the republicans?hn. job. are you imagine the reaction of the republicans?n. job. are you imagine the reaction of the republicans?. job. are you imagine the reaction of the republicans?job. are you imagine the reaction of the republicans?job. are you imagine the reaction of the republicans? job.

are you imagine the reaction of the republicans? i can. >> allison, i want to play something that politico reported. >> good example is you have eric smith because he didn't get confirmed, he is doing the equivalent of two full-time jobs. like asking the quarterback to play offensive tackle and quarterback at the same time. a so i don't think that people really understand how detrimental it is. >> and so i think that people need to hear this, you know, how truly dangerous this is for the military and by extension all of us. >> definitely. i think that the point here is that the senator is good employeding the fact that these officers can't just take to

twitter. they can't become activists to speak up for themselves. so i want to speak up on their behalf. so hopefully the volume will increase on this issue and advocates and politicians that are not showing a lot of backbone can stand up and hopefully get it resolved sooner rather than later. >> and you are welcome any day every day to be their voice and to be their address vowed a vee cat. charlie, thank you so much. still ahead fois, republican lawmakers in alabama are in defiance of the supreme court to limit voting rights of black residents. rights of black residents.

attacks from black people are coming from every side and they are about race. very are under attack. black people are under attack in america. >> that was a press conference yesterday addressing the attempt by the alabama state lens lay

chur to defy the supreme court. they ruled that the maps diluted the black voters. and legislature submitted another map. and the three judge panel has set an august 14 appear hearing on the new plan. and the naacp legal against fund is expected to file objections today. and joining our conversation is reverend al sharpton. and mark, i think that you were the first to put it on my radar. so take me inside what i'm sure is not surprising to you but

still distressing. >> it was ten years ago that the u.s. supreme court in a case out of alabama, that the chief justice said that times have changed. and one of the thing that's promised us that changed is that states were into no longer defying federal court order. what that is not true. what you have is a state sued that lost. they thought this the supreme court would reverse the result but they lost. and then in a final insult, they enacted a map that creates one barely majority black district and a second district less than 39%. that is not what the supreme court affirmed had they do.

and it is now going to be back in the hands of the trial court to eif he can effect clue eight a result. there will be discovery and then a hearing on august 14. >> and so it is harder too make black people to vote and then to matter and count. is that the right read or are we just paying closer attention? >> there is an attack on voting rights. and we have even them try to rig the rules. sometimes that takes the form of election sub version which goes to the casting and certification

of elections. we saw that in 2020. but we also saw it in the 2022 election as well. and another form of rigging is not following federal law in providing equal opportunity to elect candidates. so this is all of the before. and just before i came on air, i got an order out of wisconsin where a republican and conservative group had tried to block all of the absentee votes from our overseas military from being counted. they lost that case, but this is a widespread attack on the rights to vote and allowing people to express the rule of the majority and elect candidates of their choice. >> on the one level, it is an admission that they too can read the room, right? you can't win if everyone can vote because a lot of the groups

are not into what the republican party is offering. but i have to say, there should be something scary about the operationalizing of voter suppression that the republican party is committed to. and i wonder if you feel -- aside from mark's heroic legal efforts, is it being matched by the other side. >> i think that we have not seen the kind of outrage around defying the supreme court. the court by the way that is majority right wing even they decided, same court now, that took away women's right to choose, same justices that killed affirmative action, even they said that you are not giving the rights. and we had the civil rights organizations with a call with

the congress at black caucus chair about this just two days ago. and i'm just coming back from speaking pe at the national urban league. and there has to be yut rage. dr. king said that dripping with the words of nully any indication. and this is what this is. and we're seeing state government nullify supreme court orders. we should be in the streets and the courts and we will be august 26 dealing with this because this is straight out of the george wallace playbook.

>> woe must force action. >> and what does that look like? >> if they can establish that they are not abiding by the court order, it enforcement from the justice department or other means. but they need to go into the courts and say the law must be enforced and we need to raise this as we will at the anniversary march. if you can understand mine it in alabama and wisconsin, it will spread over. that is what happened in the '60s. that is why there was a voting rights act is to stop states from undermining the capacity of people to be represented and in this case black voters in al balance. and here we are again but we're

not seeing the same attention and the same outrage. it took the edmund pettus bridge in the '60s. and still people have to be beaten to for people to understand that they are defying people's rights to vote even when the supreme court says that you are doing it? >> yeah, i mean, there is a disconnect. and it is almost a bad joke. and i think the reverend says that there is outrage of what is happening. and we've talked about this, how do we lift this up to make sure that alabama is defying the supreme court? >> i think one the great tragedies is that we have basically said essentially if he

oppose treason, you are for democracy. but engaging in violations of the voting rights sector, that is anti-democracy. and your viewers should know this is not just alabama. you know, at the same time that the supreme court ruled in favor of the district in alabama, they effectively did it in louisiana. and you will see it in georgiis. and so same in texas. like this is a -- is this a strategy to not allow voters by 2024 to have fair lawful districts in state after state after state because republicans don't want to create these districts because black voters will be empowered. and i don't want throat the moment pass.

we talk about the death of outrage. who isthroat the moment pass. we talk about the death of outrage. who is on the phone? kevin mccarthy is on the phone. why is that not an outrage in speaker of house is on the phone with the people of alabama encouraging them not to follow the court's order. >> that is a remarkable piece of story. and i've said it before, i think that it might be time for all three of you to sort of take us to school on the vote are suppress efforts under way and the role of kevin mccarthy. so we'll reach out to you and try to get a date. i think the looming question is what happens in 2024. and we're in a moment where any one of those states could be incredibly consequential. so this conversation very much to be continued. mark, thank you so much for your time. and when we come back, we'll

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force and unlawful stops of black residents in that city, especially in the wake of the fatal traffic stop of tyre nichols earlier this year. we're tack with the reverend al sharpton, who of course gave the eulogy at tyre nichols' funeral, something memorable and tragic and heartbreaking all at once. the department of justice, very proactive on this front. what are your thoughts? >> i'm very happy to hear it. when i was contacted by the justice department that they were going through with the full investigation, something that tyre nichols' parents and myself and others had said from the beginning, attorney ben crump for christian clark, who heads the civil rights division there, had called us yesterday and said they were going to announce it today. she was with us in houston, texas. this is something that must happen. when you have people that are in law enforcement that can come and beat a young man like this

and then the backup police come and participate in this, and no one on the video, as we saw the video of tyre nichols, who's just one of the accusations we had. this one we saw. no one that came later, after the incident had started, no other police officer came and tried to stop it, tried to report it, tried to stay you can't do this, this is excessive. that leads clearly to what a lot of local activists have been saying throughout this, that there is a pattern there. that is why you need a thorough investigation. this was considered acceptable and normal. and the federal government has to come in. despite the fact that the local prosecutors have prosecuted these policemen involved, you need the federal government to look at the whole pattern and practice there. and i think this is a good sign since they've formally announced they will do so. >> it's really important.

we'll stay on it. because there's also a pattern that when they do start turning those rocks over, what they find is really disturbing. reverend al sharpton, thank you. with everything you have going on, thank you for spending some time with us today. >> you're welcome.

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