hindu scripture. now i am become death. the destroyer of worlds. i suppose we all thought that one way or another. >> oppenheimer's rds echo today. christopher nolan the famed director has the film. christopher nolan, tomorrow on "the beat." join us then. "the reidout" sup next. ♪♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- >> i didn't know practically what a subpoena was and grand juries and all of this. now i am becoming an expert. i have no choice because we have to -- it's a disgrace. >> it is a disgrace that a former president is so corrupt that he's facing the possibility of a third indictment. tonight, we're learning more about the potential charges outlined and the target letter trump received from special counsel jack smith. also tonight, miles taylor,

who as a trump administration official, anonymously revealed the danger of trump's abuses of power is back with a new book and a new warning about the next trump. he joins me tonight. i'm jason johnson in for joy reid. we begin tonight with the walls of justice closing in on a twice-impeached, twice-indicted, liable for sexual abuse former president. ours. two and a half years after spearheading a month's long effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election, one that ended in a violent insurrection at the united states capitol, donald trump is now almost certain to face criminal repercussions for his actions on and leading up to the january 6th, 2021. and new details suggest that this potential third indictment could be the most damning case against trump yet. nbc news has learned that the target letter trump received sunday night from special counsel jack smith, mentions three federal statutes. three. conspiracy to defraud the united

states. tampering with a witness. and deprivation of rights under color of law. and while sources tell nbc that trump has no plans to talk to the grand jury, that's not stopping the investigators from moving full steam ahead. tomorrow, william russell, trump's former white house aide, who also currently works for his 2024 campaign, is set to testify before the grand jury investigating these efforts. while earlier today, jack smith was spotted at a d.c. federal courthouse. and look, while this is all coming to a head, the former president also received some bad news today about another one of the criminal cases that he's facing. a judge rejected his bid to move the manhattan d.a.'s hush money case to federal court. the trial will go on as scheduled in new york state. this is a lot. joining me now to explain is timothy, former lead investigator for the house select january 6th committee, jill winebanks, former watergate assistant, special prosecutor,

msnbc contributor and co-host of the sisters in law podcast and lisa ruben, msnbc legal analyst. tim, there's a lot here. there's a lot here. so i'm just going to start with this. i had never, not being a lawyer, i hadn't really heard of this idea of a target letter right? it sounds at a practical level where it's just kind of a legal version of a heads up. hey, we're coming for you. you know, what's the significance of a target letter going to trump's team and the fact that he has mentioned it, does that mean he's the only one who got one or could there be tons of people who received these target letters? >> yeah. so it's significant, jason, in terms of what it says about where the special counsel is. i don't think, however, it will end up being a significant step in the investigation. it's fairly common for prosecutors before they make a final decision to ask a grand jury to return an indictment, to ask the target of that criminal

investigation if he or she or it if it's a company has anything to add, anything to say to -- that might bear upon the grand jury's deliberations. and that seems like what's happened here. the special counsel told the former president you're a target of a grand jury investigation. before the grand jury acts, makes a decision on a proposed indictment, do you have anything to say? so that's significant. it suggests that an indictment is likely coming. we've been talking about that for weeks, months now. the select committee recommended that the justice department evaluate criminal charges because the evidence would support one. but i don't think it's going to matter, practically, because it seems as if the former president will not accept that invitation and will not provide any additional information. >> jill, this is the part that sort of seems curious to me. look, if feds come to my house, if i get a target letter, look, if i get a phone call that just sounds too serious on my cell phone asking me if i'm happy

with my cable bill, i'm going to show up wherever it is people are asking me to go. what is the significance and potential looeg legal hassles that trump has made for himself by all but saying, look, i'm not going to show up and talk to any grand juries. is it just a reflection of the fact that he's ignorant and does not care? is it the fact that his lawyers have told him there's nothing to be gained from going to a grand jury because we think that you're going to incriminate yourself? what's the significance of that especially after receiving a letter like this? >> you're right on your second guess. his lawyers have said, do not testify. you cannot help yourself. you will only hurt yourself. he's likely to commit perjury or to confess to more crimes. we have seen him do it time and time again. and he doesn't have to. and the grand jury cannot use his nonappearance as evidence against him. nor can a pettitte jury, a trial jury, use it against him. so there's no harm to him in not

testifying and sure is a lot of danger if he were to come in and lie to them. >> lisa, i want to play you some sound from trump at a town hall on another network with some other person last night and get your thoughts on significance of what he's saying with these sort of impending charges. >> i got the letter on sunday night, think of it. i don't think they've ever sent a letter on sunday night. and they're in a rush because they want to interfere -- it's interference with the election. it's election interference. never been done like this in the history of our country. and it's a disgrace. the doj has become a weapon for the democrats. an absolute weapon. >> lisa, one of the concerns that a lot of regular people have had out there is like, one, they felt that merrick garland took too long, the department of justice took too long because the idea was, hey, you want to bring these charges before trump has announced he's going to run again, but there's a counterargument that the guy wants to stay running for office as long as he can because he thinks it's his only way of

staying out of legal trouble. what's the significance, if any? is there any credibility of what trump is saying? is there any sort of way in which we can view this target letter or these on going investigations as having something to do with the impending election of 2024? >> no, i don't think so, jason. i think really -- first of all, nobody really knows what's going on at the department of justice and the special counsel's office other than the people in it. and most of the information that we're getting right now i would venture to guess is coming from defense counsel or counsel for witnesses in the investigation and not from the special counsel's office. i'll say that first and foremost. but the idea that this is being driven by political concerns on behalf of the biden administration is as offensive to the special counsel's office as it is to you or me and many of our viewers. and that's because the people who are working this investigation are either career prosecutors who have been loaned out to the special counsel's office who have no partisan affiliations at the doj. they're not political appointees

or they're people that jack smith had worked with previously and asked to come and be his deputies as part of this investigation. i don't think the election is driving the timing here. but with one concern, which is that they believe the american people deserve to see donald trump have a trial before the election so they can make an educated decision about whether or not to vote for him. and they've said that in open court. >> that's interesting to me because i don't think there's anybody whose vote is going to be swayed one way or another by impending prosecutions. but tim, i want to read this from "the new york times." you know, the target letter to trump raises the possibility of obstruction and fraud charges. any charges in district of columbia federal grand juries have been hearing evidence would raise additional legal peril for mr. trump, already the justice department is won guilty pleas or convictions in hundreds of cases related to the riot suggesting that a pool of jurors may be less receptive to him than in palm beach county, florida, he faces charges over

hoarding of sensitive government documents at his mar-a-lago estate. i have to ask you, tim, we're talking about the president of the united states. unless you have been living under a rock, unless you have been paying no attention what's happening in this country, i don't think you can find a jury anywhere in the united states that doesn't know about this and may not have an opinion. is that something that the trump team is going to try to use to his defense? or is he just going to try to venue shop one way or another and see if he can always put these trials in red states or red parts of blue states to court for himself? >> you see, neither side, jason, can really form shop. criminal cases are brought in the jurisdiction in which the acts that give rise to those criminal charges occur. the mar-a-lago documents case was brought in florida because his allegedly unlawful of those possession of documents occurred in florida. obstruction of proceeding will be the lead count of jan 6

indictment occurred in washington. the former president or the justice department cannot really control which pool of jurors hears the case. i don't think the special counsel cares. they try this case in front of 12 people who get in a jury box because they believe if they bring an indictment that they have the evidence to convict. whether that is in florida or in d.c. or anywhere, they're not going to bring this case unless they're confident that they have proof beyond a reasonable doubt. so i think we spend a lot of time, lawyers spend a lot of time gaming out jury pools and where is or isn't favorable. in my experience, jurors follow the instructions of the court, pay close attention to evidence and generally follow those instructions and issue verdicts that are consistent with the facts and the law. that's going to happen wherever this case is brought. >> jill, i have to ask you, this is one part that's always been interesting to me. as an american citizen, it's always concerning to a certain extent that juries have to be

filled with people who don't have opinions on things, it frightens me that they don't have opinions on, that suggests you haven't been paying attention to. what do you think a jury selection process might be like in a place like washington, d.c. where this terrorist attack and riot took place? i can imagine trump's defense striking pretty much everybody because you would be hard pressed to find anyone in washington, d.c. who wasn't directly or indirectly affected by january 6th, even if it just meant i got to work late that day. how do you think that process is going to game out? >> i don't think it's going to matter. i agree with what tim said about juries taking seriously their obligation. they listen to the evidence. they listen to the instructions. and the instructions say you have to decide based on the evidence in this courtroom. that led a trump juror to convict manafort or vote to convict manafort on all counts. i think that will happen here too. the standard is not whether you have an opinion.

the standard is whether you can set aside the opinion and vote based on only the evidence in the courtroom. it would be impossible to find anyone in this country who doesn't have an opinion. because if you did, you are right, jason, you wouldn't want that person on the jury. they would have been living under a rock because there's no one who doesn't know what's going on here. so it's just a question of someone being honest in answering saying, yes, i will vote on the evidence. yes, i will set aside my opinion that i have formed before coming to this court. >> see, they should have given d.c. statehood. might have helped them out. lisa, finish with this, this is also something key. i think sometimes again as we talk about new york and talk about the hidden documents, sometimes georgia gets overlooked. new story coming out talking how brad raffensperger's office has been subpoenaed for 2020 election footage. quote, georgia secretary of state's office was directed to hand over any security video

footage or any other video kind depicted or taken near atlanta state farm arena. this is huge. i've always been critical of raffensperger. never thought he was a hero because he wouldn't go along with trump's plan. what's the significance of all this kind of video evidence being brought in. do you think that could lead to further prosecutions or is it just sort of additional ed to back up investigations already going? >> it may be additional evidence to back up investigations already going. but the significance of the footage is to disprove some of the claims made about georgia that at the state farm arena there was widespread fraud going on including the trucking in of ballots the middle of the night. and the allegation that a fund drive was exchanged between two election poll workers that day which never happened. >> right. the idea -- anyone ever been in atlanta traffic knows you're not bringing a truck in there any time of night. thank you so much for starting us off today. up next on "the reidout" --

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everyday americans. today nbc news confirmed reporting that the former president is colluding with house republican leadership to use all of the tools at their disposal to defend them. trump called speaker mccarthy and elise stefanik yesterday urging them to work to rally support for him from their fellow republican law make eers. stefanic discussed ways to go after president biden and cause political damage. the former president moves the gop moves just like that. here is an example. >> i have spoken with president trump. i spoke with him yesterday. i speak with president trump on a weekly basis, give or take. and this is yet another example of the illegal weaponization of the department of justice to go after joe biden's top political opponent. >> can the house of representatives do anything about that? >> every time president trump goes up in the polls, they come after him. this is one of the fundamental

reasons why when we took the majority, we created the weaponization committee. >> he has his targets set on president trump. and it's all to basically change the 2024 election. >> you think it's election interference. >> i do. i absolutely do. >> joining me now is charles blow, columnist for the nok times and msnbc political analyst and charlie, editor at large and msnbc contributor. charlie, i'll start with you. i'm not surprised. republicans are going to support donald trump. they're always going to support donald trump. that's not new one way or another. the polling isn't bearing that out. marjorie taylor greene snot going to be a vp pick. mccarthy is spineless one way or another. i'm wondering if trump is going to go to washington and try to beg people to come out and support him. what does that support entail? there's not that much that congress can actually do. if i am a republican and perhaps

a wavering dissident, i don't want to be near here. what's the game plan? >> to delegitimize the entire criminal justice system. and what we're seeing here again -- i agree with you. it is not surprising but extraordinary how much donald trump has moved over to the window so the republicans have gone from saying well, this was just locker room talk back in 2016 to now making obstruction of justice a centerpiece of their legislative agenda because the question is what can the house of representatives do? what are they going to try to defend this? are they actually going to try to obstruct this? but the larger picture here, jason, i think people need to understand, the success that donald trump has had, whether intentionally or unintentionally and delegitimizing almost all the institutions in american society to hold him accountable, he's attacked the fbi, attacked the department of justice, attacked the news media, he has threatened to dismantle the intelligence agencies. he has not hesitated to attack

prosecutors or to demean judges. in fact, even using their ethnic identity against them. we're coming to a period now, criminal justice system may be the final bull work to protect constitutional democracy. it may come down to the judges and the court system. so what you're seeing is donald trump and his allies in congress doing everything they can to delegitimize this final guardrail to protect american democracy. i think it's extraordinary, even given the long history of republican acquiescence, the fact they're willing to go along with this before we even know what these indictments are. so people need to understand the strategy here to delegitimize the courts, delegitimize the criminal justice system and use that basically to get donald trump off the hook or to justify his future retribution. >> see what you did there by

throwing the bulwark in. you're very good at this. i got to play some sound here. this is the thing. there are other people who are actually running for office, charles. there are other republicans who are pretending they're not just going to be chum to the sort of trump shark campaign. i want to play you sound from that and get your thoughts on the other side. >> i'm not convinced that the president acting on bad advice of a group of crank lawyers that came into the white house in the days before january 6th is actually criminal. and secondly, the truth is the department of justice has lost the confidence of the american people. >> i hope he doesn't get charged. i don't think it will be good for the country. we've gone down the road in this country of trying to criminalize differences in politics. >> they are hunting republicans. and that is weaponizing the doj. >> now, charles, i usually ignore anything that former vice president renfield says, you know, given his whole life is

chasing after the dracula trump campaign. that's fine. but tim scott, who at least can pretend he's running for office, and ron desantis, who is, you know, first place loser when it comes to trump, they have incentive to at least say, hey, we can let this process move through. what do you think their internal logic is in saying that they don't want to see trump prosecuted? because it doesn't make any sense to me from a campaign strategy standpoint. >> well, they're running for president in a party that belongs to the person they're running against, right? donald trump is in the bloodstream of the modern republican party. they are trying to win votes away from the person who gave birth to them. so, it is a very, very difficult situation. in many ways impossible to do. either you have to take him on frontally and assume that you can peel people away, that you can break the spell that donald trump has cast over them, and

none of them seem to believe they can do that, or they have to sit and wait for enough evidence to pile up against donald trump that people begin to fall away on their own and they are there to catch them. none of this makes political sense outside of trump world. but inside of trump world, it's already a crazy world. it is not bound by the regular rules of politics or of logic. and i believe it is destined to fail because of it. >> and by the way, anybody who thinks that they're running for vice president, like a republican presidential nominee hasn't done that like 30 years. that's a crazy plan if they think that's what they're doing. i want to switch to another member of the party who is both embarrassing themselves with their hypocrisy and not following through with their campaign promises. we have new information here about senator tommy tubervillle. you know, he has been blocking major, important, national security nominations that are leaving our country weaker, but

on top of that -- because he's been doing that for weeks because he claims our military is too woke. we now found out that tubberville pledged to donate every dime of his salary to veterans and hasn't given them a darn thing. i know he's not going to lose his job or affect him in his state. republicans heading into a critical year of 2024, does the leadership, does mcconnell say, you need to back off of this because these are the things that republicans will get bludgeoned with in 2024 if we look like obstructionists instead of getting things done. >> yes. that would happen in a rational party. tommy tubervillle has the moll position right now. he is an embarrassment to the republican party, particularly republican party that claims to care about the military, claims to care about national defense. and as a result of his demagoguery on all this, the marine corps for the first time does not have a commanding general in its history. why is that happening?

why are his fellow senators allowing that to happen? why is mitch mcconnell allowing that to happen? why is chuck schumer allowing that to happen? it's one thing to have somebody as deplorable and dumb as tommy tubervillle. then the question is why does the -- the world's greatest deliberative body allow him to have that kind of clout? and why are republicans going to go into 2024 with him being basically -- holding the whip hand on fundamental issues of national security. it's crazy. >> but again, as charles pointed out, we're dealing in a crazy world. we have to understand that we are not dealing in a world where rational decisions always dominate. and this is something we need to come back to again and again. >> i keep pointing out, we're not dealing with a party anymore. we're dealing with a basically a dimestore front for a terrorist organization. i want to mention this real quick, charles, and get your thoughts. marjorie taylor greene is out there, you know, basically

saying we should defend donald trump but go after hunter biden. going to play you quick sound and get your thoughts when we come back. >> i would also like to say that when evidence and proof of a crime is presented, no prosecution should be denied no matter who the person is. >> i'm not surprised she's a hypocrite, but still beating this hunter biden drum 15 minutes before heading to 2024 election. charles, does that work for anybody anymore outside of people who are already in the sort of maga cult? >> listen, hunter biden thing is dead. maybe it has some traction among the far right. but it just didn't catch on the way they thought it would. and every time they get close to feeling like they have something, it falls apart. it's not going to be the issue. so, they can keep harping on that. they can keep trying to put hunter up in the same basket as donald trump. it doesn't work. even among republicans i don't think that this work.

they have to switch gears. but the problem is, it is impossible to truly defend donald trump about what we know already. we don't even know what's in the new possible indictment coming over the january 6th interference of the election. >> still tons coming. running up against a break. thank you, guys, so much for joining us. still ahead, trump makes plans to move america from a democracy to a dictatorship even as he's facing legal blow back for january 6th. miles taylor, served in the trump administration, joins me next to talk about that and his new book "blow back." we'll be right back. jason johnson sitting in on "the reidout." - [female narrator] five billion people lack access to safe surgery. thousands of children are suffering

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i am your warrior. i am your justice. and for those who have been wronged and betrayed, i am your retribution. i am your retribution. not going to let this happen. >> i am your wall rhus. earlier this year before the indictments against him started to flow like water, donald trump made his intentions clearlevera future presidency for reprisals. now he is facing a third indictment with more waiting in the wings possibly. all while trying to make the case to the american voters that he should be trusted to sit behind the resolute desk for a second term.

we're already learning of the plans being prepared in somehow, some way trump is able to win in 2024. "the new york times" is reporting on the ways trump and his allies are planning to expand presidential power and remove the guardrails that kept him at least partially in check. the warnings about a second trump presidency are laid in and out a new book by former trump administration official and author of the famous 2018 anonymous "new york times" op-ed criticizing trump miles taylor. book is "blow back" a warning to save democracy from the next donald trump. miles taylor. great to talk to you. not everybody does this, i can show all the places i highlighted. this is legitimately a really interesting read, very compelling. and moving because it's not just you talking about the dangers of trump but the part that i want you to start with is the amount of risk that people who are

standing against trump and want to be those guardrails, whether it's you or liz cheney, talk about the sort of physical danger that people are facing by talking about how dangerous a future trump or a second trump presidency could be. >> well, jason, in a sense i'm a cautionary tale. and you know, i tried to get really, really personal in this book about those consequences, not because i'm looking for sympathy. you and i have talked about this before. i don't need the sympathy. but people need to see inside of the reality of what dissent looks like in this country. i'm someone who still has restraining orders against stalkers. someone who still continues to get death threats. we had to move my family. we had to live in safe houses. i mean, on election night 2020, i spent election night under armed guard in a safe house in northern virginia with a pistol under my pillow because of the death threats. this is not what free speech

should look like in the united states. that sounds like what happens in third world autocracies. and you opened this segment by saying, trump is laying out the play book for how to turn the united states into a centrally run dictatorship. that sounds like crazy rhetoric, but it's the reality we're living in. and he's spelling it out in excruciating detail. i have to say the reporting you mentioned from the times, maggie haberman and jonathan swan did an outstanding job, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. that's why i wrote "blow back" to go into deep detail about exactly how they want to weaponize the federal government department by department to exact revenge against their rivals. don't hear it from me. the people quoted in the book are the people around donald trump, his former top lieutenants and senior republicans in congress and who recently left congress. >> you know, it's no surprise to anyone watching and when reads anything i do listen to my podcast, i have been highly

critical of the current administration for not being aggressive enough and not only prosecuting the people who were engaged in the on going coup but for not strengthening the guardrails this country needs to have to protect us against either trump coming back or another version of donald trump. talk a little bit about -- you mention this in the book. our only safety valve here is our guardrails. what do you think the current administration is doing? did you write this book because you don't think that the biden administration is doing enough? or do you see some signs that they're taking some of the concerns that you're laying out in this book seriously? >> well, i wrote the book in part, jason, because i'm sick of all these trump retrospectives of people trying to burnish their credentials and rewrite their story. we don't need another trump memoir. no offense to my former colleagues who have gone and written trump retrospectives. what i wanted to see is someone to tell us what trump wanted to do in a first term. what he was stopped from doing.

and what he would do if given a chance to go back into public office and what the maga movement would do if it was a copy cat. so this is a forecast and unfortunately a very chilling forecast about what could happen if we make the civic mistake of giving someone like that a second opportunity. now for the guardrails that you mentioned, unfortunately we all hoped that the people around donald trump would keep him from doing bad things. but we learned that even well-meaning bureaucrats could not keep a way ward chief executive in check. so the executive branch guardrails were broken. congress failed to hold donald trump accountable in those two impeachments. now we're hoping that the judiciary does something, but as you've noted well, donald trump is still surging in the polls. he's likely to be the gop nominee despite being twice indicted. so, i don't think we can count on the three branchs of government. it's going to be up to the voters to prevent our democracy from falling off a knife's edge.

>> i got to point this out. you know, you sort of list the potential trump cabinet based on conversations that you had with former members -- these are the kinds of people that he wants to put into office. you've got pam bondi, michael flynn. i read through this list and it reminded me of that scene in blazing saddles trying to put together the gang and they got nazis, clan members. i was waiting to see garg mel and saron on this list. worlds gallery of maniacs and freaks who would destroy our government. look, our new administration could look like a clown car, were they saying it because they were like, i do believe this is going to happen. or because this is our best case scenario because it could actually be worse. >> yeah. i mean, honestly the people that i interviewed for this book, my former colleagues and trump cabinet secretaries described this as, quote, a nightmare slate. i mean, the fact that trump's

own lieutenants would say if given a second go around he would bring in a nightmare slate of public officials, it's not you saying it, jason. and it's not tv commentators, it's trump's own people, that should really worry you. if you thought a first trump administration was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet because the people who were willing to stand up to donald trump in the maga movement who would try to say no to illegal and unethical and unconstitutional ideas will not be back for a second go around. it will be the enablers. look, i'm not saying that those of us who went in to try to keep the guardrails wrong did everything right. i have enormous regrets about how that was handled. we were naive in thinking we could keep him in check. but that's the message i want to send is do not count on good people going in in a second go around. it will be the enablers. it will be people who want to execute his vision. >> miles taylor, author of "blow

back" legitimately good book. check it out. thank you for joining us tonight on "the reidout." >> thank you, jason. the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit challenging texas's new abortion ban joins me to tell us about how it almost cost her her life. we're back right after this. this is jason johnson sitting in on "the reidout." ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪

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supreme court ended the constitutional right to abortion, the stories of women suffering from medical complications began pouring in. that's why a group of texas women took legal action against their state, saying they were denied abortions despite grave risk to their lives or their fetuses. today, those plaintiffs shared what happened to them, giving testimony about the catastrophic harms of post-roe america. >> i don't feel safe to have children in texas anymore. i know that it's very clear that my health didn't really matter. >> completely devastated. i had just been given the worst news of my life. she said unfortunately miscarriage was inevitable. so we were with complete certainty going to lose our daughter. she couldn't intervene because the baby's heart was still beating. and so inducing labor would have been considered an illegal abortion. >> joining me now is the person

you just heard amanda ziroski, lead plaintiff in the texas abortion ban lawsuit, and molly dwayne, arguing on behalf of the plaintiffs. molly, i'll start with you. just very quickly, you're not seeking to overturn the texas law. what you're seeking is clarity because it was written in scribble and nonsense and doctors don't know what to do. what would clarity look like if you all are successful in your suit? >> you're exactly right. this exception that purportedly exists under the state's abortion ban does not function in practice. and those who are opposed to abortion often like to out the these exceptions the reason why the laws are okay. but they're a farce. amanda's experience shows that is true. what we're seeking in this case is truly the bear minimum that pregnant texans are entitled to

under the law to protect their lives and their health. and what we're asking for is really very simple, just like in every other part of medical practice, physicians should be able to use their discretion in consultation with their patients to determine when an abortion is medically necessary to save a patient's life, their health or their fertility. >> amanda, i don't think your story can be shared enough. just share again with our audience what happened to you and what drove you to being a lead plaintiff in this absolutely essential case. >> sure. thank you for having me and for covering this story. so, i had undergone about a year and a half of fertility treatment and finally became pregnant last may. and just shy of 18 weeks of pregnancy i was diagnosed with a condition called cervical insufficiency or incompetent cervix. basically that means i was dilating prematurely.

we were told that we were inevitably going to lose the baby, but that there was no healthcare or intervention that the doctors could provide because of the laws that had just gone into effect. and so, i had to wait>> -- that my life is considered endangered, and at that point, my physicians were allowed to intervene. i actually went into septic shock and was admitted to the hospital. the icu for three days and then three days out of the. >> amanda, so disturbing about what you're sharing is obviously your story is not unique. you have people having these expenses alter at the state of texas. when you've had opportunities to speak with elected officials, what are their responses, especially the men and women who supported these kinds of draconian laws.

did they just throw hands, offer thoughts and prayers? what is the response when you explain that your life was in danger because you cannot get access to a type of health care that hadn't been available for everyone for most of our lifetimes? >> so i've had the opportunity to testify in a senate judiciary hearing, and they actually ignored me. they did not adjust me, did not look at me, did not ask me questions, they just ignored me and pretended that i was not there. i think that is their goal because they want to silence me and silence all the other pregnant people that this has happened to or might happen to. i think they want to pretend that this is actually a problem, and that's why we continue to speak out because it is, and it's happening all over the country and getting worse the longer this goes on, but they refused to believe it and try to ignore us. >> one other thing, because i think this is also key, the kind of activism that you're

engaging in, it has its own dangers. you have political consequences, sometimes that threats and things like that. what kinds of blowback have you faced since taking a role in trying to restore these rights? have there been economic consequences, have you had to get security protection, because many at the states, they have tried to make women who are seeking this kind of medical care, criminals in a symbolic way? >> fortunately for me, the outreach and the response has been quite positive and supportive, and i think that is indicative of the fact that i think most americans do not agree with complete and total abortion bans. i have not had any security issues that you mentioned but, certainly, psychologically, this is taken an immense toll on me personally. again, most people are incredibly supportive because

most people believe in the cause and don't think that restrictive bans should be in place. >> this is a another example of politics superseding sign with basic human rights. amanda zurawski, molly duan, thank you for the work that you're doing for women in the state of texas and throughout the country. thank you for joining us on the readout tonight. we'll be back right after this. t after this my a1c was up here; now, it's down with rybelsus®. his a1c? it's down with rybelsus®.

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but it is getting hot in here. hundreds of millions of people around the world are dealing with unprecedented heat, with records being shattered around the goal as the consequences continues to worsen. earlier this week, part but the persian gulf hit a heat index of 152 degrees fahrenheit, a level intolerable for human life. china hit records of over 126 degrees fahrenheit, and much of europe is facing a heat advisory, as wildfires rage in greece. the u.s. is breaking records as well with extreme heat affecting some of the 7 million people. nbc's erin maclachlan has the latest. >> i am erin maclachlan, the heavy deep heat dome -- that the harry reid international in las vegas. several flight attendants and passengers exiting ticked up the flight by stretcher after being stuck in the apartment with an relenting triple digit heat for hours. >> it was visibly shaken, like shaking. >> robertson was fine with that

one year old baby, when they saw fellow passengers become. oh >> it looked like their cognitive skills were in decline, eyes roll into the pocket or head. >> doctors say that is a sign of potentially that the danger. >> we'd know if you had a heatstroke. >> delta has apologized for the incident and says it's investigating the matter. this as the valley as some parts another all-time record with an overnight low of 97 degrees, the hottest it's ever been with the sundown. it's going on three weeks attempts of 110 plus. experts say the city sprawling country is partly to blame, as it stops urban areas from going down. tonight, across the country, 77 million people are under heat alerts. and it's not just humans who are suffering. at a phoenix you, it's all hands on deck to make sure that the animals are comparable and cool. >> they are not quite used to these temperatures. we're constantly monitoring

them. >> tonight, it's the dog days of summer with no end in sight. erin maclachlan, nbc news, phoenix. >> you got zoo animals with the desert to her. nbc's erin maclachlan, thank you so much. >> that is tonight's read out, all in with chris hayes starts right now. right now. >> good evening from new york, i am ali velshi in for cases. as we await a potential third indictment of donald trump, we got new information about what was contained in the target letter that the ex president received earlier this week. nbc's can now report that the letter to trump cites potential violations of three federal statutes, deprivation of rights and that the color of law, tempering a witness and conspiracy to defraud the united states. you might remember, that last charge was one that was recommended against trump and others by the january six committee following its year and a half long investigation