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accused of inhumane treatment at the border. what we're hearing about razor wire traps and disturbing orders to push migrants into the rio grande. plus new details about a u.s. soldier detained in north korea. official says he was actually being sent home before he bolted across the border. and the battle over penalty gone promotions. the details of the phone call between republican senator tommy tuberville and defense secretary lloyd austin. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with nbc's vaughn hillyard who's looking into the special counsel's focus on key battleground states. vaughn, i know you have been tracking developments in arizona and georgia. give us the latest. >> clearly the special counsel's office here at the heart of their investigation, they're looking into a potential pressure effort from donald trump and allies into those key states to overturn the election results in 2020. we now know, i am told, that

former arizona governor doug ducey, not only has heard from the special counsel's office but he has cooperated with the requests that have come his way. of course doug ducey, he certified joe biden's election win in the state. it was just about a 17,000 vote difference, but the pressure on him at the time was clear, literally as he was certifying the results. take a look at the video at the time. you heard on his cell phone there, hail to the chief, which was the ring tone that he had for donald trump at the time. literally while certifying the election results, receiving that call. doug ducey later on that day confirmed that he had a conversation later that afternoon with trump. it is evident per the testimony of maricopa county officials as well as rusty bowers that there was a pressure campaign in the state for them to overturn the

election results. ducey's cooperation is notable. the second news out of today is in georgia, the secretary of state brad raffensperger, confirming that complied with the subpoena which was at the heart of the propagation of conspiracy theories around the results that came from there. and the two particular there, shay moss, as well as ruby freeman, who the video of rudy giuliani and others suggested were opening up supposed suitcases full of ballots and stuffing them in to benefit joe biden. the state elections board did its own investigation and found nothing to that extent. and the special counsel's office, though, is clearly now seeking much of the same material that the district attorney in fulton county is also seeking as part of their parallel investigation into the efforts of trump and others to overturn the results in georgia.

>> vaughn hillyard, thank you for that. now to those disturbing reports from the southern border of agents ordered to push migrants, including children back into the rio grande. nbc's jul julia ainsley is here. what else can you tell us? >> these are coming from a texas state trooper, sent to the border per the order of governor greg abbott to do more to stop, he says when he tried to give water to some of these migrants, he was told not to. he saw a 4-year-old pass out from exhaustion who was not allowed to cross that razor sharp wire. he describes seeing a woman stuck in that wire when she was released they found out she was having a miscarriage. he was told not to give migrants water, and was told, he said that he was given orders to push the migrants back into the water, to the rio grande and

tell them to go back to mexico. when i went to texas dps and asked about the allegations, they called them outrageous, and said they would not be given such orders. they did say they tell their troopers to use common sense and to give things like water in case of medical need, not out of abundance of caution or in the way you would typically see border patrol do when migrants come across after standing for hours in that sweltering heat. >> it's also called being humane. julia ainsley, thank you for that. we're learning more about the american soldier detained in north korea. nbc's matt bradley joins us from seoul. matt, apparently it wasn't an accident that he crossed the border? what can you tell us? >> reporter: no, it sounded like it was willful and deliberate. that's one of the only pieces of information we're getting from the white house, the u.s. government and the military. this was a man who broke with his orders to return to the united states. he willfully joined this tour

group, and while he was on this tour group, he did the extraordinary act of running across the border from south korea to north korea. i spoke with somebody on the tour group, a new zealand tourist, and she showed me a picture she had taken just a couple of minutes before this young man, private king, broke loose and ran across the border. she said that you can see him in this picture. i'm not sure if it's on the screen. he's wearing a black shirt and a black cap. again, this is part of this ordinary tour, the same thing we see tourists in south korea do all the time. i asked her what she was when this incident occurred and the pandemonium around it. here's what she told me. >> i saw a guy looked like running full gas toward the north korean side, and i thought what an absolute idiot, i thought he was filming for a tiktok stunt or something like that. but he didn't stop. he just kept going. >> reporter: a really

extraordinary scene, as you can imagine. actually, she said she and the rest of the tour group were shuffled away into shelter because apparently everybody thought there could be shooting involved, and that's what's happened in the not so distant past. we're talking about this young private. he has a rap sheet of at least three interactions with police officers just here in seoul, and he hasn't really been here that long. he only joined the military, even before he came to seoul, back in january 2021, so this is a young man who seems to have had quite a few interactions with the police. he was going to be going back to the united states where he was likely to be facing further discipline at the hands of the military and possibly a discharge. it seems he chose the harder way out. crossing into north korea. chris? >> yeah, to say the least. matt bradley, thank you for that. let's go to capitol hill now where pressure is building on alabama senator tommy tuberville for standing in the way of military promotions. nbc's ryan nobles is there for

us. you reported that tuberville got a call from the defense secretary. dying to hear how that went? >> reporter: yeah, it doesn't sound like the two sides are any closer to coming to some sort of an arrangement that would allow tommy tuberville to release the hold on promotions. it was short but friendly with lloyd austin. they talked about where both sides stand as it relates to this issue. while they haven't made any public pronouncements of where there could be common ground, the senator does seem to be open to some sort of a negotiation. listen to what he said about that this morning. >> i don't know. well, on my side, obviously there's two directions to head. we can move the policy back and go on with life or we can vote on it. or i can drop my holds. there's pretty much just a couple of ways we can go. >> what would it take for you to drop the holds? >> move the policy back, and let's vote on it.

>> reporter: what tuberville wants is for the senate in particular to vote on this policy. this would be codifying the policy into law. if it doesn't pass, then the policy goes away, but if it passes, then the policy stays. this is something that senate leadership has not been open to at this point. and so this standoff continues, and, chris, it's worth pointing out, politically this could be a double edged sword. he comes from alabama, certainly a pro life state, but there are a number of families in alabama who are connected to the military in some form or fashion, more than 26,000 families now, not all of them are caught up in this military promotions hold. but there is a trickle down affect impacted by this. there is pressure from that regard. there's a political benefit for him to stand up to the biden white house and particularly on an issue like abortion, so that's why at this point, he seems prepared to be willing to stand his ground and allow this debate to continue. chris. >> ryan nobles, thank you for

that. the white house press secretary karine jean-pierre was ask about this in the briefing room, and she said republicans must speak out. we are trying to send a message that this is not the way things should be done, and she added it's disrespectful to military members and their families, so this back and forth continues. trump allies now railing against jack smith's letter saying the former president is the target of his investigation into efforts to overturn the election. what's the impact of these attacks at doj? a senior adviser to attorney general merrick garland and a former cia official joins me in 60 seconds. official joins me i 60 seconds

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mccarthy and republican conference chair elise stefanik about rallying support for him after his target letter from jack smith came, and based on the public responses so far, that message has been received loud and clear. >> criticizing the election is as american as apple pie. both parties have done it going back centuries in this party. the idea that you can be prosecuted for is a huge assault, not just on donald trump and the political opposition of joe biden. >> any indictment in washington, d.c., if you're a republican, you're going to get convicted. that's the nature of the business. i don't think there's any way in hell that trump can get a fair trial in washington, d.c. >> i mean, for crying out loud, the white house finds cocaine, and pretends they don't know whose it is. but then they go after donald trump with everything they have and then some. it just -- the double standard, i think it's too much for people

to really take seriously. >> i want to bring in chuck rosenberg, an msnbc contributor, and anthony coeley, senior adviser to merrick garland, an msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst. it seems to me that the defense of trump is to go on offense against the integrity of the justice system. >> right. >> what do you make of that? >> there's a saying in legal circles, if you don't have the facts on your side, you argue the law. if you don't have the law on your side, you argue the facts. if you don't have either, you pound your fists on the table. just consider, chris, the people that they are attacking. you've got david weiss, chris wray and merrick garland. david weiss is the trump appointed u.s. attorney that this justice department kept on to reassure the american people that whatever decision was appropriate in this case that it was developed and came to

without political interference, and then you have chris wray who was appointed to the job by donald trump to be fbi director. he ran a division in george w. bush's justice department. he is a conservative's conservative, so the idea that he would be biassed against conservative, it doesn't pass the smell test, and then there's attorney general merrick garland, who suffice it to say is a not a liberal lion. he's not beloved by people on the left. but all of these people are doing their jobs regardless of their political affiliation, and they're calling it like they see it. >> i often ask the question about the impact this is having at doj, and, you know, the response i get is people are going to do their job no matter what, right, but are these constant attacks currently or inevitably going to influence

morale, whether people want to work there. what's the real world impact here? >> i see this from two sides, first is the professional side, and then there's the human sild. professionally you're exactly right. in my two years there, doj got attacked, agents, investigators all the time. that's in one ear out the other. they would tell you, we pursue justice without fear or favor, and i've seen them do that. there's also the human side. investigators, agents are of course concerned about their own safety and the safety of their families. there's a reason that jack smith has security and presumably his family has enhanced security protocols as well. that's all been endangered, i would argue, because of this presidential's rhetoric. he's contributed to this need for increased security. >> so, chuck, in florida yesterday, trump's defense team cited jack smith's target letter in their argument to the judge

in the classified documents case, basically saying he was being besieged by prosecutors, they needed the trial date pushed, they needed it after the election, do they have a point? >> first, chris, i don't think they want it at all, but if they have to have a trial date, they want it as far in the future as possible. government cases don't get better with age. it's not a fine wine. i think jack smith's request for a december trial date was ambitious. it's not an overly complex case but there are some cumbersome aspects to the mar-a-lago case, including the fact there there's classified documents at issue and the judge is going to have to see a way through to get those either redacted or sanitized so they can be made public at trial. that said, chris, i don't blame the trump folks for trying to push the trial date but that's not fair to the government. there's this thing called a speedy trial act. it has constitutional and statutory origins.

both sides are entitled to a fair trial and the government has the right to push for not just a fair trial but a speedy fair trial. >> do you imagine it will happen before the election? >> well, something's going to happen before the election. here's the problem writ large, there's a pending trial in new york state court in march. there's going to be a trial date set for the mar-a-lago case. it looks like there's going to be an indictment in state court in georgia, and it looks like there might be yet another indictment in federal court in washington, d.c. i don't see any way that four trials take place before the january 2024 election, i'm sorry, the november 2024 election. it's possible that one does. perhaps two. but it's really hard to run four trains on four parallel tracks at once. something's got to give. i hope all the judges move with some alacrity because that's important to both parties, and certainly important to the government's case. so something will happen before the november elections, but i'm confident that you're not going to see four criminal trials

completed before then. >> it is confusing, frankly, anthony, even for folks who do this every day. this is, you know, part of our job to follow it. republican senators shelley moore capito said, quote, i don't know who he's getting indicted by, it's a never ending story. and cynthia lummis said the public numbness to more indictment news, i think it shows that politicians lie, and they know they're lying. the liar knows he's lying and the people being lied to know they're being lied to, but in the end, how important is it for the general public and maybe the jury pool to understand why donald trump faces these charges and the difference between them? >> yeah, it's absolutely critical. you have the court of public opinion. you've got the court of law. while we have seen, let's just take the documents case here. what we have seen is

overwhelming evidence from trump's own employees, employees texting themselves, mountains of evidence. donald trump's best case, he understands it's not going to be in the court of law. this is why we've seen him move repeatedly early, even in this case, to try to shape the debate. but i want to go back to this messenger quote, this messenger story, one of the things i read in this piece was from senator mitt romney who i think he called it like he saw it. he said some version of the gop lawmakers are firing up their base. but donald trump did a lot of really bad things on january 6th. so he acknowledged two things there. that there is politics going on, but he also acknowledged that there's a lot that the public does not know. trump did a lot of really bad things, so i think we're all going to have to wait and see

presumably this indictment is coming really soon. the details, this connective tissue. >> yeah, what are you looking for, chuck, because certainly when we were all on the air in realtime getting the indictment, the most recent indictment on the classified documents case, there was a lot of surprise about the level of detail there. what are you looking for if, indeed, there is another indictment from jack smith? >> well, if there is, chris, imagine it will be a speaking indictment, and to anthony's point, those details matter a lot. there are lots of words being spilled by these cases, by democrats and republicans in the halls of congress, and elsewhere, and frankly, those words don't matter at all. not a bit. the words that matter are the words that are going to be contained in the indictment and proven in court, and by the way, i was a federal prosecutor for a long time. confront put words in an indictment, unless i can prove it, chris. so assuming that the government can prove its case in florida,

and assuming there's another indictment of mr. trump in federal court in washington, d.c., and they can prove that one, too, those are the words that matter. what am i looking for? i'm looking for the details because the angel here is in the details. the details, the case that the government alleges and proves in court are the words that matter. that's it, period, the end. >> spoken like a prosecutor, the angel is in the details. chuck rosenberg, anthony, thank you so much. appreciate it. and new today, a january 6th rioter who was armed when he led a mob against police on the steps of the capitol has just been sentenced to seven years in prison. here you can see christopher alberts wearing a gas mask. alberts testified that, quote, instinct took over when he went after officers with a wooden pallet at the capitol. he told jurors that he felt like it was a fraudulent election. alberts also had a concealed gun and body armor. prosecutors wanted a ten-year

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there is new movement in the unsolved murder of rap icon tupac shakur who was killed almost 27 years ago. las vegas police confirming they searched a home in henderson, nevada, on monday as part of the investigation, although they would not say what they were looking for or if a suspect has been identified. tupac was one of the biggest music stars in the world having sold 75 million records in just five years when he was killed in a drive-by shooting. in the years since, his murder has been the speculation of books, documentaries, tv shows, and films, and now we know it is not closed. right now, multiple women in texas are telling their emotional personal stories in court about how the state's restrictive laws prevented them from getting abortion care when their medically complicated pregnancies put their lives at risk. >> several times i just had to

listen to her heart beat while simultaneously wanting to hear it and not wanting to hear it at the same time. >> this is the first time women denied abortions have sued a state since roe v. wade was overturned. the outcome could have far reaching implications for both pregnant women in texas and future lawsuits nationwide against abortion bans. nbc's lindsey reiser has been following this for us, and also with me, msnbc critical and legal analyst, danny cevallos. you were saying before you were coming out, you were listening in court. incredibly emotional. >> it's hard to listen to. if this is disturbing to you, put it on mute. the details and more interviews that we're going to share with you are very disturbing. this is the first time in which a group of women who were denied abortions or abortion care are suing a state since roe v. wade was overturned. this was filed in march by the center of reproductive rights, 15 plaintiffs in total, and many of these women say they nearly

died as a result of not getting abortion care they needed because of serious pregnancy complications. we're going to show you a list of plaintiffs in this hearing that's expected to last two days in austin. one of the women, ashley brandt was pregnant with twins when one of the twins was diagnosed with a fatal condition. she didn't want to have to go to every ultrasound and see her one healthy baby and see this baby that has zero chance of survival, and there was really no outcome in which the healthy twin wouldn't be affected. let's listen to some of what she said. >> i would have had to watch twin a, ayla, deteriorate more and more. i'm sorry. i would have had to give birth to an identical version of my daughter without a skull and

without a brain, and i would have had to hold her until she died. >> she ultimately traveled to colorado to get an abortion for the one non-viable twin. there was a third woman who testified, chris, her baby's skull wasn't fully formed. a 0% chance of survival. she couldn't afford to go out of state, and she ended up in texas ending up having to carry the baby for full term. the baby was alive for four hours, and they had to bury their baby. what is the state arguing? they're saying that the plaintiffs are on an ideological crusade. they're saying the defendants named in the suit, that blame is misplaced, it was actually at the hands, essentially of the medical providers. doctors are worried about the vague language. the six-week abortion ban -- >> let me read it because, danny, i think this is part of where the focus is. this is what the texas abortion law says. it says it makes exceptions for

life threatening physical conditions or a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function. this lawsuit is about how vague this is, how different people can interpret this in different ways. >> right, and so the state's argument here is going to be that these plaintiffs don't have a right to preliminary injunction. they don't have a right to a restraining order because they're not likely to win on the merits. and the argument the state will make is that because we have defined it in a way that is understandable, it is not vague, whereas the plaintiffs on the other hand say it is vague because not only does this definition not tell us exactly when the situations are that an abortion is permitted but it creates a dangerous result, results that we've heard about, results that these women are testifying about today in court, but make no mistake about it, they have a very steep burden in order to try and enjoin the state from enforcing the statute. they have to show that they are likely to win on the merits and

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. we are just getting in breaking news tied to the hush money case involving former president donald trump and adult film star stormy daniels. nbc's tom winter joins me now. danny cevallos is back here. tom, what is going on? >> right. so chris, you might remember it was several months ago after the indictment of former president trump by the manhattan district attorney's office that they argued that the case should be held in federal court and not in state court, and they made a number of arguments, and they had a hearing to discuss the merits of that argument and the judge has now issued his opinion on it. judge alvin hellerstein, he says trump has failed to show that the conduct charged in the indictment is for or relating to any act performed by or for the president under color of the official acts of a president and that trump has failed to show that he has a defense to the indictment. so in english, basically the judge is saying, look, there's no indication here that the conduct occurred while he was

president or that there's some sort of a federal defense that the former president could offer, and the judge also said in his ruling that any sort of vindication that, in fact, michael cohen was hired, that these payments occurred while donald trump was president, that evidence just doesn't exist, and as we well know by now, chris, michael cohen was hired prior to trump being elected president or certainly taking office and that these payments, the payments to stormy daniels were made well before he was elected president as well. so the judge effectively saying, look, this isn't something for the federal courts, the certain protections that might be allowable to a federal official or to a former president don't hold water here, and so this is going to go back to state court, and it's going to go back to judge juan mershan who oversaw the guilty plea of former trump cfo allen weisselberg and the

trump organization convictions last year in a case brought by the manhattan district attorney 's office. we'll be back at manhattan state court for future proceedings against the former president and that's where the case stands. >> thank you for that, tom winter. what does this mean on a practical base? >> trial attorneys will tell you that the jury pool is everything in criminal and civil cases, and if that's the truth, then this may quietly be one of the most significant pretrial developments in the new york documents case or the new york hush money payments case. here's why, this case will now stay in new york county, which means, manhattan, which means if you look at election results, a crowd that is hostile to donald trump. does that mean they will vote for or against or him. had he been successful getting in the southern district of new york, the jury pool would expand

to counties that trump actually won. while we may never know now, had he been successful, that may have been a very significant step in an acquittal for donald trump in this case which according to many experts including me, is already a bit shaky. >> danny cevallos, thank you for that. we appreciate it. as unrelenting heat and extreme weather bears down on the globe, experts are warning, we have now crossed into uncharted territory. the headlines are striking. as "the new york times" puts it, extreme heat grips three continents. the "wall street journal" says the world bakes. phoenix broke a record for the most days of 110 degrees, as cacti are drawing up, and burn centers are seeing more patients being scalded by the heat. there's a flash flood emergency in mayfield, kentucky. cars and roads already entirely submerged with more rain coming. as my next guest told "the

guardian," quote, this is what the turbo charged climate change world looks like. joining me now, brenda, senior climate scientist for the climate and energy program at union of concerned scientists. thanks for being with us. areas like phoenix are used to summer heat. we have seen wildfires on the west coast for a very long time. what makes this moment different, turbo charged? >> i've been looking at this day -- data for years, and some of that he is data points are off the charts, i mean, literally, the ocean is burning up. it is off the charts. the global average for most of the 60 degrees north to 60 degrees south latitude has been higher than ever before seen since late march. and when we were supposed to cool off a little bit because of the southern hemisphere ocean, it is hot. it is way above average.

sea ice in the antarctic, lowest record, and temperatures at an airport in iran reached a feels like temperature of over 150 degrees fahrenheit. these are lethal conditions. >> yeah, the heat in some places is too extreme for the human body, from what i have been reading. the natural resource defense counsel estimates it's going to get worse. they say increased in heat could cause a dramatic rise in illnesses and deaths by the end of the century. 28,000 more deaths each year by the 2090s and there are scientists who believe already there are places where damage from climate change is irreversible. you mentioned iran. taps are running dry there right now. are there places where we are at or near the point of no return? >> i think we're going to get -- many people are going to have to

find better ways to get out of harm's way, and it will become a human right to have a habitable temperature for human survival. and governments and policy makers and corporations and individuals are going to have

. >> luckily, just unrolled the production act, creating massive incentives on a level we have not seen, in both china and the u.s. are stepping up europe. many places that are largely contributing to current heat trapping emissions in the atmosphere are looking for ways to drive those down, which is a good news story. the question is how fast we do this, and for this summer, we haven't done enough yet to save people lives who are on the front lines of this current heat wave that is unprecedented and breaking records around the world. >> yeah, and obviously i don't need to tell you what a complicated political fight this is right now, and there is an idea from house republicans to

combat climate change by planting of the earth is ocean. hard to plant trees on that. we definitely are extracting fossil fuels from the oceans, from the land, all over the place at a pace that cannot be compensated just by the living biosphere. we have to reduce the emissions, and we have to stop heat trapping emissions coming from

agricultural sources as well as find ways, like trees and other ways of sucking up carbon that are natural and nature based. and we have to figure out how to do it fast. it is just, right now, we have a debit. we are playing catch up right now. >> brenda ekwurzol, everything we're saying is a vivid example of why this is important. it's important to have you on to talk about this. i appreciate you taking the time. thank you. israel's missing treasures how did rare anticties end up at trump's mar-a-lago resort. we've got new reporting next. r. we've got nereporting next just swipe and it lasts all day. secret helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. and hours later, i still smell fresh. secret works! ohhh yesss. ♪♪

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yesterday. basically these are items that israel sent to the united states in 2019 for a reception in the white house for the jewish holiday of hanukkah. it was sent with authorization by the antiquities authority in israel. it made its way, and basically we're talking about like a suitcase with some antiquities, mostly it's ancient candles from the days of the jewish temple a very very long time ago. it came to the united states, and for some reason it was not displayed in the white house, and then there was some bureaucratic problem with sending it back to israel, and by the time that was solved, covid happened, and it became much more difficult to send out flights and to send people, you know, this is not just something you send through the airport like any other item. these are antiquities, it's sensitive, it can be broken. so the antiquities authority in israel told the big donor who was involved in bringing it to the u.s. please hold this for a while. we'll find a way to bring it back. the month and then the years

went by, and some people here in israel forgot about the whole thing. these items eventually made their way to an event at mar-a-lago about two years ago, and they have been there ever since. and it's only a few months ago when the most senior officials in the israeli antiquity authority found out the items are missing, items that belong to the state of israel are actually at the former president's estate in florida. >> they never actually got displayed at the white house but they were displayed at an event at mar-a-lago? >> indeed, yes, and they are still there until today because, you know, the white house is an official building of the u.s. government. there are all kinds of rules and regulations regarding what kind of antiquities and items you can display. in mar-a-lago, i guess it's a little more flexible. the main issue is that if it was displayed in the white house at the time, it would have been

much easier to say, okay, it was here, it was shown to the public, and now it's going back to israel. once it's at a private residence, it becomes a little more difficult, and there has been attempts by senior officials in israel, all of them involved in the world of antiquities to contact people close to the former president both in the israeli government and former american officials and ask for help. so far no progress on the issue. >> amir tibon, thank you so much, keep us posted on what happens with this. much appreciated. that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" after the break. ith "katy tur reports" after the break. add-on tre atment for severe eosinophilic asthma that can mean less oral steroids. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor.

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