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it is sunday, july 9th. i am ali velshi. the field of republican presidential candidates is growing. a date has when lockdown for the first republican primaries and caucuses. yesterday, the republican party of iowa announced that it will hold its first in the nation caucus on january 15th of 2024. momentum will pick up next month when the party holds its first primary debate in milwaukee, august 23rd. there is going to be a problem for the country to receive most

or some of the candidates together. at least one dozen republicans should be competing in 2024 but only five of them declared candidates have met the requirements to qualify for the first debate. ron desantis, nikki haley, revak wamah swami, tim scott, and donald trump, the undisputed front runner in the race right now. it's difficult to overstate how unusual this race is turning out to be. the republican party has been impeached twice already. he's running for that position again. he is leading the pack. he has been criminally indicted twice. he could face multiple trials in primary season next year. on top of that, he appears to remain in control of the narrative and the trajectory of this race. take how candidates have responded to donald trump's federal criminal indictment last month and how those responses have evolved in the weeks since. vivek ramaswamy quickly made a

pledge to pardon trump. tim scott said the indictment is, quote, a serious case with serious allegations but condemned president biden and the justice department alleging they were, quote, targeting and hunting republicans. more interesting is how the talking points have evolved for mike pence. shortly after the public learned about the indictment, pence said he was, quote, deeply troubled about that no one is above the law. after the indictment was unsealed, he told cnbc, quote, this indictment contains serious charges and i cannot defend what is alleged. pence is vowing to, quote, clean house at the highest levels of the justice department, the very department trying to hold trump accountable for what pence himself called serious charges. trump's criminal indictments and enduring popularity among the republican base how forced the candidates to talk about the justice department on the campaign trail. more importantly, trump's attacks on the justice department are resonating among

the base of voters. vowing to clean house at the doj, pence said many americans have, quote, lost confidence in the justice department. people like his former boss are relentlessly attacking integrity. this is the snake eating its own tale. more broadly, trump's attack on the doj again fueled republican skepticism of the people, the civil servants who work across the many agencies of federal government. that's a more palatable talking point that fits into a decades long conservative effort to shrink the size of the federal government and diminish the influence of the so-called administrative state. campaign trail promises to clean house are the new drain the swamp. some candidates are seizing that opportunity. on the campaign trail in new hampshire on friday, nikki haley said that in addition to the department of justice she also believes that intelligence agencies and the state department, quote, have to be cleaned out. ron desantis has vowed to clean

house top to bottom at the fbi and that on day one of his presidency he would fire fbi director christopher wray, a trump appointee who trump himself once called, quote, an impeccably qualified individual. just moments ago on fox news, desantis doubled down on both of those promises. >> we will end of the weaponization of government. that is a new fbi director on day one. that's the difference between me and donald trump. he says the jury is still out. i think you need a new start. he is going to clean house. >> desantis has widened the scope of his cows cleaning pledge. he told fox news that he would seek to shut down the department of education, commerce, and energy as well as the irs. with me now is former united states attorney barbara mcquade. she is the co-host of the sisters in law podcast and an msnbc legal analyst.

we also have david rohde, senior executive editor for national security, author of the book in deep, the fbi, the cia, and the truth about america's deep state. that's exactly what we are talking about here. welcome to both of you. i was just speaking to will hurd, former cia operative running for president now. even he, and i think he's a relatively straight shooter, even he had trouble coming out and saying that this was bs, going after the fbi >> going after the department of justice is just throwing red meat at the base. it's not actually based in any reality. >> look, will hurd is a character in my book. he served a cia operative overseas. he risked his life for the country. he pushed against conspiracy theories. look, the cia and fbi and justice department are incredibly powerful federal agencies. they targeted a left leaning

groups throughout the vietnam era. they were used by richard nixon to target his enemies. that's why the reforms were put in place after watergate to make them more independent. it is alarming to see what is happening here. essentially, it is donald trump more than anyone else who is saying he wants to take control of these agencies. he says it's unfair and biased anytime they investigate him. we haven't seen this in the 50 years since watergate. >> barbara, you and i have talked about this. what david is referring to that -- rooted out some of these things that we're going out of federal agencies including the fbi. that is not what this is right now. that's not what our subcommittee on the weaponization of justice in congress is doing. that's not what these republican candidates are saying. they are trying to tap into

some nebulous these guys are against us and i'm going to replace them with women and men who are not against us. >> in fact, what they are doing is just the opposite of what the church committee did. the goal was to put some separation between the justice department and the political parts of the government, the president, the executive. what they really want to do is to control the justice department to do their bidding. right now, they want to cast anything that goes against them as the bidding of president biden. we have those post-watergate rules which say there can be no communication between the white house and the justice department to ensure the appearance of independents. the things they are talking about is an effort to take control of the agencies to make their team not win. they don't like their team is not winning at the moment.

>> there's something interesting here. it is a confluence of old-fashioned conservative ideas that the recent administrative state that goes too far that is all about big government. it's common to have republican candidates say they are getting rid of the department of education, getting word of the department of energy, the interior department. they are getting rid of the irs. these organizations regulate things. we actually need the irs. they are combining all of that with deep state stuff. you've written a book on the deep state. what would you say to people who fall for this nonsense? >> look, i would say there is a danger of certain career employees fighting for their agency. it's not that they leaner publican or lean democrat. they want their department to get a budget increase and leak stories that make it look good. i found no evidence of a secret

cabal that is meeting in a basement somewhere, plotting to overthrow the elected president of the united states. walk to the church reforms did was to divide and power. the genius of our constitution is dividing power. the church reform created the intelligence committee asked oversee the cia and the fbi. ron desantis is talking about the opposite, appointing a new directory soon as he gets in. there was a court created to oversee wiretaps by the government in an intelligence investigation of americans. i wish there was more transparency as a journalist. the court should be open to the public. there should be much more information made pby the house and senate intelligence committees and by the fbi.

>> barbara quayle, that is what will hurd leaned into, right? that transparency might solve some of the criticism of what is going on. most of the criticism -- if you go out in the street and you ask people about the deep state or cia or fbi or department of justice, most opinions today might be fed by the idea that there have been republicans criticizing these organizations for the deep state. i don't know if the second question -- what's your exact before the cia? what's your beef with the fbi? i'm not sure most people could get there. >> yeah, i think that's the world that we live in. hunter biden's laptop, these shorthand freezes. >> right. >> what does it really mean? people don't really know. they are abusing the process. no doubt there were some findings that in the carter

page -- there were some sloppy things that were down there. there has been an oversight. there has been changed. that's how the system is supposed to work. we have the court that serves as a check so we can remedy those kinds of mistakes. the idea that there is this lawless cabal of deep state is just not consistent with my service in government. i served in the justice department for 20 years. i find it to be hardworking professionals of great integrity who have the best interests of the united states in mind. to call someone political, it was the deepest insult you could hurl at a public servant. they do their law based on the facts. that's the way the law works. no one is above it. >> dave, it sounds to me that both of you are making the case that there's a legitimate argument for republicans who might say accountability is important. transparency is important. have you heard someone put this

forward in a way that makes sense? this is the oversight that we need. it's not the accusation of deep state. it's not the accusation of partisanship. it's not the accusation of going against donald trump and conservatives. >> i have not heard that yet. you could a -- the fbi has abused his powers in the past on the left and right. it's good to have these checks and balances. this is a result of years and years of donald trump more than anyone else, he attacks the investigator. he's a conspiracy by the investigators and tries to discredit them. it is a very alarming and dangerous trend. >> thank you to both of you for joining me. i appreciate it. barbara mcquade is a former united states attorney for the eastern district of michigan

and an msnbc legal analyst. david rohde a senior executive editor of national security. he is the author of the book in deep. still ahead on this hour of velshi, the summer heat is not just unpleasant, it's dangerous. it's an alarming sign of more extreme weather to come. déjà vu -- florida governor ron desantis brutal attacks on classroom autonomy and identity are a losing tactic from a decades old playbook. i'm going to discuss the parallels between today's florida and 1960s florida with the co-host of rachel maddow's déjà vu podcast, isaac tv harrison. don't go anywhere. isaac t harrison don't go anywhere. hen we metamorphosize into our new evolved form, we carry that spirit with us. because you can take alfa romeo out of italy. but you best believe, you can't take the italy out of an alfa romeo.

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the united states was suffering from the impacts of the great depression. decades of portland management, land over use, and drought contributed to the worst crop failures the nation had ever seen. when storms began picking up

eroded soil. the storms became more frequent and bigger. they had an impact on whole swath of the middle of the country. no, cysts -- the farmers were fleeing in droves, and effort to escape the dust. this was the dust bowl. the federal response was slow and lackluster. in 1933, congress established the soil erosion service to combat the erosion that was fueling the storms. within just two years it's just storm is more than triple, the money was running out. the head of the soil erosion service hugh bennett was desperate for greater federal government intervention. and march of 1935, mr. bennett went to washington, d.c. to give testimony to congress about the consequences of the dust bowl. according to multiple accounts, his speech was well-timed. just as he wrapped up his remarks, a massive dust storm reached washington, d.c.. a biographer of bennett named wellington embryonic wrote about that day in 1935.

quote, out of one corner of his eye, he noted the polite stifling of a yawn, but hugh bennett continued deliberately. presently, one of the senators remarked, quote, it is getting dark. perhaps a rainstorm is brewing. another venture, maybe it is dust. i think you are correct, bennett agreed. senator, it does look like dust. the group gathered at a window. the dust storm for which you bennett had been awaiting ruled in like a vast steel town paul, thick and repulsive. the skies took on a copper color. the sun went into hiding. the air became heavy with great, and quote. shortly after the dust bowl came to washington, congress passed the soil conservation act unanimously. the act established the soil conservation service which became the national resources conservation service housed within the u.s. department of agriculture. we are facing a different crisis 90 years later. the summer, wildfire smoke has choked cities week after week.

it is gripping massive a swath of the nation. emergency room visits for here elated illnesses are surging. people are dying from the heat. it's not new. last year, texas saw nearly 300 he related deaths. that is likely an undercount. the heat wave made texas one of the hottest places on earth, rivaling the see harrod as it. energy demands smashed records. you will remember that just two years ago energy demands during the winter storm in texas pushed the grid past its capacity. blackouts during the storm lead to 250 deaths in freezing temperatures. the key reason texas was able to meet the increased demand and avoid prolonged potentially deadly blackouts was green energy. solar and windpower are credited with keeping texans's ac running. texas has invested in a

lifesaving renewable energy. texas republican governor greg abbott is fighting those initiatives. one promoting a proposed tax incentive program for energy production in texas earlier this year, governor abbott's big red line was that no renewable energy products be included because he wants to focus on dispatchable power such as natural gas or coal. right now, most of the country is grappling with the various heat waves. models from the national oceanic and atmospheric administration estimates that 20% of americans in the contiguous united states will experience that dangerous temperatures this week. the worst of it will be in the southwest. phoenix had already seen temperatures above 110 degrees for eight consecutive days. weather models show the temperature is surpassing 110 degrees every single day for the foreseeable future in phoenix and other parts of the southwest. if the forecast plays out as expected, this will be the

worst and longest heat wave in americas history. we know that as a country and a planet we need to cut our emissions to try to limit the worst effects of climate change. that's already happening. the biden administration launched the first ever extreme heat response plan last year. it's a ten-point initiative to help the nation handle extreme heat waves. as tens of millions of us will face the reality today and tomorrow, potentially all summer, we need the knowledge and the tools to protect ourselves and each other. this is not an anomaly. this is our new normal. hah! kelly clarkson, we have a kid... and harold. wayfair's got just what you need... performance fabrics, stains don't stand a chance. no chance! -woo! dog friendly and wallet friendly... pug-proved. get nice things with nice prices at wayfair. ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪

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presidential distinguished professor in earth and environmental science at the university of, director of the pen center for science, sustainability, and the media, and the cofounder of -- she's the author of multiple books including his most recent, our fragile moment, how lessons from earth's past can help us survive the climate crisis. it's good to see you again after a long time. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, ali. it's going to be with you. >> i look outside in these last few weeks and we are either dealing with the extreme heat or we are dealing with these guys that have darkened over much of america. it does present an urgency to something that you have been talking about, you and other scientists have been talking about for years. it causes people to say, okay, this is getting out of control. what did we do now? it gets us to the question of, where are we in terms of what the u.s. as supposed leader in this has done and is doing? are we passed a tipping point of being able to live not in the way that we are living right now?

>> yeah, where we are now is that climate change, dangerous climate change, the climate crisis is not five years from now. it's not ten years from now. it is here and now. it is happening. how bad are we willing to let it get? you emphasize the urgency and there is absolutely urgency. as i like to point out, there is agency as well. there is still time to prevent the worst impacts from unfolding. it's going to be an uphill battle at the point. the inflation reduction act that was signed into law by the president last year gets us part of the way they're. it puts the united states on a path to lower its carbon emissions by maybe 40% or so over the next decade. there are two caveats there. we have to lower carbon emissions even more, over 50% if we are able to have those chances of averting a

catastrophic three degrees fahrenheit warming of the planet. there is a closing window of opportunity. the inflation reduction act does not get us there. we need to build on that. you know, those climate provisions of the inflation reduction act have to be implemented and they have to be implemented on time. there is opposition, as you know, among republicans in congress. it's a reminder that we have to vote in every election. we have to vote for politicians who will support these policies. otherwise, we get this continued agenda of denial and inaction. we don't have the time for that anymore. it's too late. >> it's interesting. we've made some progress on that front, right? it's not me booking michael mann and someone who says climate change is either not real or not done, not that i ever did that, but we did this in media. i want to read a quote from you and i can tell you what's interesting about it. it's your quote.

the window of public discourse appears to be shifting away from the false debate over whether there is a problem for the where the debate of what to do about it. often miss it is important for people to respond poorly to messages and doom and gloom that elected a sign of hope. defeatism is indeed a self fulfilling. the important part about that is that you wrote that in 2015. you were positive then or hopeful than that we were moving away from the bs discussion around this and we were getting into a better discussion. i think you could've written this last week. >> yeah, it was the theme of my last book, the new climate war, how polluters have shifted away by and large from denial. you can't deny what we can plainly see with our own two eyes. they have shifted to these other tactics. one of them is doom-ism. if they can convince us it's too late to do anything about the problem, it potentially puts us on that same path of inaction and disengagement. that's what our fragile moment

is. it's about the lessons we can draw from the past that inform our understanding of the urgency of climate action and the agency, the fact that we still have time to prevent the worst impacts from unfolding. there is no time to lose. we are reaping what we have sown. i would gently take issue, by the way, with something that many journalists say when we talk about this as a new normal. my colleague susan joy hassle and i like to use the phrase new abnormal. this is anything but normal. by the way, it continues to get worse as long as we continue to put carbon pollution into the atmosphere and warm up the planet. all of this gets worse. >> another point that you make is if we fix it, if we do take emissions down to zero, the response will be immediate. there is a fix to this. a lot of people say we are past

the point of no return. you make the argument that we are not. >> yeah, this is a common misunderstanding. we scientists have to take responsibility for it. for years, we communicated the idea that the planet would continue to warm up even after we stopped putting carbon pollution into the atmosphere. it's related to the sluggishness of the oceans that continue to warm up. our models, the climate models that we were using in those experiments were nearly as comprehensive as they have become over the past decade. we understand that well while we have that effect, the laggan sluggishness of the oceans, the oceans are doing something else. they are constantly pulling carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere. if we stop polluting, those co2 levels, those carbon dioxide levels start to come down. we lower the greenhouse effect. all of that averages out fortuitously in a way that says that as soon as we stop

emitting carbon into the atmosphere the surface of the planet stops warming up. it is that surface warming which is driving so much of these extreme weather events and these super storms that we are dealing with. i don't want to be a pollyanna here. some of the impacts are going to be longer lasting. the oceans continue to warm. they will continue to destabilize ice shelves. we can expect to see level rise potentially for not just decades but centuries to come even if we stop polluting. the idea is we can slow it down to the point where we can adapt to those changes which are now inevitable in preventing those changes changes which are not. >> michael, good to see you again. thank you. doctor michael mann is the distinguished professor of environmental science at the university of pennsylvania. he is the author of unimportant book our fragile moment. they say those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. maybe if ron desantis wasn't banning so many books he would understand. you don't want to miss our next

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desantis is likely having second thoughts this weekend after he tried to step away from his long-standing role as the 2024 imitation of donald trump. his campaign posted an ad this week that was universally panned left right and center, not only for being variola iain tied a entrance phobic but also for being a bad. the ad attacks trump for past statements which were apparently to supportive of the lgbtq+ community. this is in contrast ron desantis's record of unrelenting attacks on those same groups. desantis actually seemed to be bragging in this ad that his policies are set to threaten trans existence. >> in the future, transgender women compete in the miss universe.

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desantis defended himself against the avalanche of criticism from the right, arguing that attacking trump for his previous acceptance of the lgbtq community is, quote, totally fair game because he is campaigning, saying the opposite, and quote. as for the bigoted sentiment of the ad, ron desantis has done much worse then spread hateful, harmful messages. he's been building a regime in florida which is a monument intolerance and a dangerous rollback of personal freedoms through policies that one of our country's foremost experts on authoritarianism says are a threat to democracy itself. despite voter fraud being an exceedingly rare issue in this country and in florida, desantis created an election police field last year with an average of $13 million to deal with complaints of election crimes and to investigate fraud in elections. the million dollar force took issue with a whopping 20 people out of the 11 million who voted

that year, most of whom were former felons accused of fraudulently registering to vote. even the officers who showed up to make the arrests appear to be confused. last april, desantis signed a bill into law that bans most abortions after six weeks in florida as we know. that is before many women even know that they are pregnant. he signed an anti right bill in response to widespread protests following the killing of george floyd. it grant civil immunity to people who drive their cars into protesters who are blocking traffic. that law was later blocked by a federal judge. in may, desantis signed a bill that bans florida's public colleges and universities from using state funds on diversity, equity, and inclusion programs. there is the so-called don't say gay bill that forbids all teaching about gender identity or sexual orientation for a

public schools in a pre k through eight great. a new measure that expands this bill was just passed by the republican state legislature last may. it restricts the way teachers and students can use their own preferred pronouns in school. we are about a half step away from the thought police at this point. ron desantis wants to expand it from florida to the rest of the country as he runs for president. his agenda and tactics are not original. long before rhonda scent has declared his war on wokeness, back in the 1950s and 1960s, a group of florida lawmakers battled with the end w acp and got -- these lawmakers, like desantis, disrupted life for countless floridians and hurt their own careers because they were so caught up in the cause. i happen to know all of this because my msnbc colleagues rachel maddow and isaac davy harrison have launched a new podcast called déjà news that reminds us of the forgotten

historical parallels to some of the most important new stories that we are watching unfold right now. in one recent episode, they explore the fascinating historical precursor to ron desantis in florida. listen to this. >> in florida, the senate president charlie johns decided to attack the specter of school desegregation and additional way. he tried to use the state legislature he presided over to go after the people who were trying to make desegregation happen. he decided to create a special committee to go after civil rights activists, to go after the naacp. the thing to know about the johns committee is that even though charlie johns set it up to go after the naacp, it officially had a completely wide open mandate investigate anything that might pose any kind of threat to citizens of florida. the committee started to shift its focus. >> from there, the committee widened its scope, aggressively targeting gay people and the topics that educators taught in

classrooms, things they were convinced were change in florida for the worse. the committee was disbanded amid controversy. let's fast forward 2023. huron desantis. >> we will make sure that parents can send their kids to school to get an education, not an indoctrination. >> an education, not an indoctrination. florida governor ron desantis. 60 years after the johns committee imploded as an embarrassment and scandal in the 1960s, another right wing florida government is rifling through lesson plans, along the teaching of ideas they don't like or history they wish was untrue. they are banning books, making it illegal in florida schools to acknowledge that lgbtq people exist. ron desantis says it is all needed. it's all necessary because of marxism, cultural marxism

threatening florida students. last year, he signed a bill mandating that florida school kids be taught the evils of communism. it all sounds awfully familiar. >> on the other side of the break, i will speak with this man, the co-host of the deja news podcast. stay with us. stay with us stay with us having triplets is... -amazing -expensive. so, we switched to the bargain detergent, but we ended up using three times as much and the clothes still weren't as clean as with tide. so we're back with tide, and the clothes are clean again. do 3x the laundry and get a tide clean. it's got to be tide.

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there were eerie parallels between florida in the 1960s and florida present day. i want to talk more about that with isaac davey errands and, the co-host of the new and exciting podcast racial model presents déjà news. i spent some good time sitting in for rachel. when rachael's away and you are there, you're the brains of the operation, the wordsmith that our viewers love. it is a very big deal for me to be interviewing for the first time. >> that's very kind of you, thank you. it was a real pleasure to work with you all those times on the racial maddow show. >> thank you. we teased a little bit about this podcast. you can go back if you haven't listened to it. episode two was about rhonda santas in florida and charlie johns.

we talked about the fact that the committee got dismantled amidst some embarrassment. without giving us the whole story, does that inform what could happen to what rhonda scent is trying to do,? , > the committee essentially ends in infamy. it is disavowed by everyone and all of the lawmakers, just about of all the lawmakers, including charlie jones who has to resign from his own committee, leave the florida senate entirely. i don't want to give away too much of the specifics of how that happens because it's a spectacular story. i hope everyone will go and listen to the podcast. what i will say is that they essentially have been going for about a decade, going after gay people or a legit k people at schools and universities, calling them in four and tara geishas, governor to universities and going line by line through lesson plans and interrogating them about what

they were teaching. at a certain point, people in florida were like, this is enough. this is too much. we can't have this going on anymore. even people who were allied with them didn't like the optics of state legislators going into universities and interrogating professors. that is not a prediction about what might happen with ron desantis. ron desantis this incredibly powerful right now. he won reelection by 20 points. people i spoke to -- both of their readings of history are that people who engage in this kind of strategy that relies on assault and vulnerable communities, essentially, their power is more brutal than it seems. people only stanford for so long. >> this add that i read was interesting. there's so much interesting about that. it's wild and wacky. so many people think it's a bad strategy. it was rhonda santas as superhero interspersed with top gun images, guys with a lot of

muscles and no shirts. i don't know what was going on there. it does signal something weird. i am strong. i am going to out-trump trump. i'm actually going to show you all the ways i am strong. what happens with strongman is they do attack these most vulnerable groups. at the moment, rhonda scent is 's not there yet. he's not realizing he might be overplaying his hand. >> the other interesting thing about the add is that it is very online. it deals with all of these memes and images that are going to be familiar to the vast majority of people who are watching it. you really have to be in the zone with ron desantis online to understand what that is about. it's actually kind of a similar thing that happens with the johns committee wanted implodes in the 60s. they come out with this report that to them is the apotheosis of everything they've been investigating for years and how terrible the community is and how they are after everybody and after our kids. when they put out this report,

what everyone else sees is all of this material that they've never seen before that is actually at best salacious and at worst really upsetting. that's what throws them off the committee. what is this? this doesn't make sense to us. this just seems terrible. >> you have a new episode coming out tomorrow. talk to me about what you are venturing into. >> i don't want to give too much away so i hope you can listen tomorrow. what i will say is that we always still fantasy area on every episode. what is interesting about the episode dropping tomorrow is that it is very, very recent history. it makes it a super interesting thing to discuss. >> for a guy who puts a lot of continental your stuff, you're doing really well with not giving too much away. >> [laughter] >> this is really a mainstay of what you and rachel are doing, the idea that there is always some historical parallel to what we are seeing. we pulled our hair out -- well, you and i don't pull our hair out, but we think about how we've never seen this before. we use the word unprecedented all the time. the point that you and rachel bring us is that virtually none

of it is unprecedented. >> that's right. the specifics might be unprecedented. you talk about ron desantis. people decades ago weren't using the terminology of woke and antifa. the specific change. the broad outlines have precedent in history. i interviewed for a recent episode, the former head of the naacp legal defense fund. they didn't start making it with people. we are also flesh and blood. we are all still people. that is why these things do tend to have precedent, right? they tend to repeat. we are the same kind of people. what changes overtime is what is, the expectations of us in a democracy. it is a social change that happens. we are still kind of flesh and blood human ceiling with it. >> it is nice to thank you in person in front of all of our viewers for the wonderful things that you have done for me in my career and some of the most exciting things that we've ever done as news and that i've

read. thank you, my friend. good luck on the podcast. isaac-davy aronson, someone whose voice you should all here. he's the co-host of the new msnbc podcast digit new's. episode four comes out tomorrow morning. subscriber ever you get your podcast. earlier, we asked you about the riddle of the day. we've been inundated with responses. what's the best thing about switzerland? the answer is, i don't know, but the flag is a big plus. that does it for me. that's as a for me, that that does it worry for the week. does it for me for the week. catch me back here cut you back here next next saturday. saturday and sunday at 10 am to noon eastern, stay right where you are, and subjects occupy gets right after me. >> like it or not, the 2024 campaigns are well underway. i know we're still 480 days out for the presidential election, both parties are facing some very big questions. for republicans, are they really going to renominated and now e