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rendered view of christian white nationalism. >> and that is tonight's last word. tomorrow, on the saturday show, i'll be joined by congresswoman barbara lee. one year after roe, and congressman adam schiff on the republican center vote of him. and this sunday night, in honor of pride month, i'll be speaking with leaders of the lgbtq community, fighting to hold on to their rights at a time when these fundamental freedoms are being attacked by conservative governments. watch, defending pride, sunday at ten pm eastern on msnbc. the 11th hour starts right now. >> tonight, a potential delay in the classified documents trail. what jack smith's latest move means for the case. then, heightened security in moscow after the kremlin accuses a russian mercenary group of armed mutiny. and nearly one year since the supreme court overturned roe. the impact we've seen on women
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's reproductive care from state to state, and how it could influence the 2024 race. as the 11th hour gets underway this friday night. good evening. once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. in less than one hour, it will be one year since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. revoking the constitutional right to abortion that it had established. that decision coming from the conservative majority on the high court. the latest nbc news poll shows 61% of registered voters disapproved of that very decision. in the years since that ruling, abortion has been banned, or made unavailable, in more than a dozen states. and it is severely restricted in nearly ten others. today, president biden signed an executive order to expand access to birth control. his administration's latest effort to protect reproductive rights. late this afternoon, biden and vice president harris spoke about those rights. >> we stand for the freedom of
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every american, including the freedom of every person, everywhere, to make decisions about their own body. so we fight for reproductive rights, and legislation that restores the protections of roe v. wade. >> maga republicans have made clear that they don't intend to stop with the dobbs decision. no, they won't. until they get a national ban. if somehow congress were to pass a national ban, i will veto it. [applause] >> well on capitol hill, some house republicans made it clear they would continue to push to restrict abortion across the nation. >> this isn't about women's choice. this isn't about women's health care. this is about a child that will be a child. you cannot say that it's less significant or less valuable just because it's at an earlier stage of development than you
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are. it's like saying this, because someone is inconvenient to society, that they should just be killed. >> the fight over abortion also involves access to a drug used to end pregnancies. the most common method used in the u.s.. an appeals court is still weighing whether it should remain widely available. just yesterday, a judge in wyoming temporarily blocked the first state law that would ban the use of pills for abortion. meanwhile, the end of roe v. wade, and the efforts to restrict abortion pills, have meant a shortage of ob/gyn specialists in some states. nbc's kristen dobbin has more. >> kristie mueller and her husband can't wait to be parents. but after multiple miscarriages, finding an obstetrician for her high-risk pregnancy hasn't been easy. >> i was scared that i wouldn't be able to find a doctor who is going to cater to my needs. cater to my baby's needs. and also make sure that both of us were gonna make it out of
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this alive. >> there was already an ob/gyn shortage in rural georgia before roe v. wade was struck down. now doctors say the states six -week abortion ban is making things harder. in a place where more than half of the counties don't have a single ob/gyn. >> we are limiting our patients and our practitioners. when we do that, we may not understand the ripple effects. dr. joy baker says the shortage of doctors is not just impacting patients who are pregnant. if i called you today as a new patient for an annual visit, when could you see me. >> september. >> that means waiting months for even routine women's care, like breast and cervical cancer screening. and new doctors may be hard to lower to georgia. a recent survey of almost 500 medical students showed a majority unlikely to apply to a residency program in a state with abortion restrictions. are you concerned about a pool
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of upcoming doctors into your state? >> if they're looking for providing abortions as part of their medical practice, georgia can be a place they don't apply. i think we welcome that. >> dr. baker argues the geographic bakers to care should be trot priority. >> we know that statistically we are going to see a rise in maternal deaths because of this decision. that makes georgia one of the most dangerous places in which to birth, in the developed world. >> a stark reality facing the mueller's. who now travel 40 minutes each way to see dr. baker as their due date approaches. >> and hopefully, my husband won't be stuck delivering on the side of the road. >> with that, let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel tonight. pam belluck, a pulitzer prize -winning health and science reporter for the new york times. she covers the supreme court and abortion. doctor kavita patel, clinical physician and former senior policy director during the obama administration. and dr. jennifer lincoln, and ob/gyn and executive director of the reproductive
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organization, mayday health. dr. patel, you and i've been speaking about this, for exactly one year. walk us through over the last 12 months, how much has this one ruling changed women's health care in this country? >> i think stephanie, we can honestly say that not only did we know that this was going to happen, we have the data to show that what has happened since dobbs in the past year has fundamentally shifted women's health care. it's not only been statistically shown about the decrease in access to reproductive services, in that kind of map of states where severe restrictions have been imposed. and have already been added upon what was there before dobbs. we also know that even in states like maryland, where i practice, where we've had protections that we've seen a flurry of requests. even requests for things like sterilization. different forms of longer term contraception for women that just fear for access. as you just heard from the
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reporting, it's not just access to ob/gyn care, and women's health. i think people are really not thinking about all the preventive services and primary care we touched on. cervical cancer screening, breast cancer screening. so many things that dr. jenn lincoln and my own colleagues and myself do in our clinics. that access has been restricted, again, not in just those severely restricted states. but all across the map. i shudder to think about what we haven't seen yet. but we know, are coming, not just the increase in maternal deaths. stephanie, we knew that from 19 74 to 2016 we saw 6% increase in suicide rates in states that had the severe restrictions. there's no reason to think that those statistics will not get worse over the next several years. >> pam, from state to state, how confusing is it for women, for health care providers? >> i think it's very confusing. there have been studies and polls that show that women in many of these states don't know
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what services are available to them. don't know where they can go, not only for an abortion, if they need one, but also we are seeing a number of cases of women with high risk pregnancies. pregnancy complications, miscarriage complications. who are not able to get treated in states with bands, because the bans are so vague. they have forced doctors and hospitals to wait days, sometimes longer, to provide care that they would routinely provide. and forcing women to get sicker
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while they wait for, what would have been just a routine procedure two treat pregnancy complications that would lead to a non viable pregnancy. so it's a very, it's very much of a patchwork across the country. i think there's just a lot of strain and confusion, really no matter where you are living. >> dr. lincoln, take us out of the hypothetical. bring us to the women you speak to. what are you hearing, over the last year, from the women who you care for? >> just to echo what pam said, it's chaos, confusion, and just a real misunderstanding. as the laws are purposefully confusing. they can be vague, they can be hard for health care providers to interpret. and then a law may be in effect, then temporarily not. so there's really just a lot of misunderstanding. we know that on the day that roe fell, only one in ten americans knew that abortion pills were safe and effective. people continue to tell me that they're not quite sure where they can go, what they can get.
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they're not sure what's true and what's misinformation. so for example, that's why it mayday health, we continue as to try to cut through that noise by making active information on our website that is simple, straightforward, people can access and understand how they can get the care that they need in all 50 states. just like dr. patel said, this goes far beyond abortion care. i've had many people tell me they've not been able to get in to get their cervical cancer screening. or to be able to find an obstetric provider that is anywhere close to them, because they know that health care providers are going to places they don't have to worry about politicians policing them in their exam room. >> dr. lincoln, i know you've also been working to help women who are in states where abortion has been banned. but if you are doing? >> i'm talking to you tonight from bastrop, texas. where my organization made a
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health opened up an abortion information store. we did that as an example of how we use for speech, coupled with bold actions, to help people get the information that they need. while you can't walk into the store and get abortion pills from our storm, but you can get is information. we are trying to show people that even in texas, you can use freedom of speech to educate, to empower, and to fight back. and that will continue to do that as these abortion bans we know are unjust. they are bans and restrictions that are in 25 states that are affecting 25 million people. and as we come up on a year of this happening, we will continue to fight back and help people know that our website, we have zero identifying information. we cannot people see how they are getting pills in all 50 states despite current bans. and if they've got questions about legal restrictions or questions about data -- digital privacy, we can help them that way. we've not only done this, we've got many actions including
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mobile billboard -- in all 14 banned states. we've got newspaper ads, radio ads. because we are coming from a position of power and saying we will use free speech to fight back. >> privacy is crucial. pam, they are still all this concern about here that women could be tracked, who are going to different states for abortion care. tell us what's actually been happening? >> it's, i think at this point, we haven't seen evidence of that, or at least we haven't seen evidence that people have been prosecuted or harassed because they've been identified online. but there are efforts underway. there was a bill introduced in the texas legislature, this session, that would have required -- it would have basically banned access to websites that said anything about medication abortion. i think people sort of saw that as kind of the first step to trying to control online traffic.
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so there's a lot of fears out there that people will be tracked. and i think, you know, we're just going to have to wait and see how that plays out. but you also do have other states, states where abortion is legal, doing a number of things to try to increase access to patients who are living in states with bans. that's been an interesting development. most recently, just this week, new york state became the fifth state to pass a telemedicine shield law. which basically protects providers in new york if they prescribe and send pills to patients in states where abortion is illegal. if those states try to come after the doctors, new york
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won't cooperate, won't share any information, won't extradite the doctor. there are four other states with that. there may be -- california may pass such a law. that's just one example of states that, of things that states are doing to try to increase access. they're also spending money to help abortion funds, and to help patients travel, so that has been an interesting development in the other direction. >> dr. lincoln, you were once strictly opposed to abortion. what made that change for you? >> yeah, fun fact about me, i grew up going to catholic schools. and was given abstinence only education. clearly, told that abortion was a sin. and was not okay. i internalized that. really, once i saw the other side of the story, and i went to college, i went to medical school at tulane, i did my
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ob/gyn rotation in houston texas after being displaced there after hurricane katrina. i saw that pregnancy can be wonderful. i also saw that it can be really terrible and life-changing, not in a good way, if you are not physically, emotionally, financially prepared for an unintended pregnancy. so long story short is that i saw the real world. i saw what happened. i specifically sought out my ob/gyn training at oregon health and science university in portland oregon, where i knew i would get full spectrum training. as you hit in your reporting, meadow school students not being able to have as much access to that, it's a huge problem. as ob/gyn's, this needs to be part of our training. so how are we going to help those residents get that training that they need? >> we are lucky that you three women are here with us tonight. thank you so much doctor jennifer lincoln, doctor kavita patel, and pam belluck. when we come back, prosecutors struggle to find a motive in the classified documents case against donald trump. then, they heard the tape. andrew weissmann is here on that.
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and what jack smith is up to tonight. and later, the world is now on high alert. the leader of the notorious wagner group, a group of mercenaries, now claims to have entered russia with his troops after threatening putin's military. what we know right now, the 11th hour just getting underway on a really important friday night.
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member of the mueller probe. i'm so glad you're here. what? this whole thing was like jack smith wants to move this thing along, august, this thing is gonna be rocking and rolling. now he's the one moving it to december. i cannot imagine why. but i am just a lay person. explain to us. >> i will. it would be completely wrong to interpret this as jack smith not wanting a fast trial. >> which of course, we are interpreting incorrectly. >> yeah. okay, so when the judge said this august date, this was a place holder. nobody thought that this was the trial date that was going to stick. it's literally impossible to have all of the discovery, and do all of the motions by that time. this is your standard practice, like issuing this initial order. and then it gets pushed out based on various things that
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come up in a case. the parties knew that. if you remember, a lot of people talked about that. -- some people find that date. jack smith, at his one and only press conference said he will be asking for a speedy trial. i interpret this, and substance of the motion, as he is laying down a marker saying that we want a real and firm trial date of december. and he lays out in his papers, exactly what he thinks the timeline to be. when motions can be made, when discoveries can all be completed. to try to tell the judge, this is why that is a realistic date. and december would be a very fast date. i think that he set forth an aggressive timeline, but one that is doable. especially since he's turned over so much discovery already. so again, do not take this as jack smith in some way is afraid of a fast trial date. if you noticed, the defense is saying they don't want that date. of course, the defense is going to be saying they want a date
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in the next millennium. so, again, this is a standard motion in front of this judge, to say please give us a real date. and one that i think is very tight timeframe. which is what i expected when jack said he was going to seek this very fast date. >> can you explain to us what this classified information procedure act is, and why it's important here? >> let me give a big overview. it's super complicated. there is a tension, a trial is public under the united states constitution. classified documents are secret. there is the tension. how do you have a trial with classified documents that are secret, when you have to have a public criminal trial. and the statute, the cepa statute that you referenced, is trying to deal with that tension, and it requires both the government and the defense
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to file motions, and to make sure that they've got all of this worked out ahead of time. and it's also trying to prevent the defense from using it to do something called a gray male. which is the defense says i want to use a really top secret document, knowing that the government is never going to want to go to trial if that information has to be used. so it's gray mail, you're trying to put the government in -- either dismissed the case or give it a really good plea offer, because they don't want to endanger national security. so cepa deals with all of those issues. that is something that the judges are going to have to learn about. by the way, we are not going to be privy to that. that kind of litigation happens under seal. so we may see that there are motions being filed, but we're not going to be privy to a lot of those details. so it'll be really frustrating for all of us, particularly me.
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i really want to know those details and what the debate is about. but we won't be able to see a lot of that. >> there's some other details we might not be getting either. the special counsel is looking to file a sealed list of 84 witnesses. what does that tell you? >> sure, so if you remember the magistrate judge during the arraignment said that he did not want the defendants to be able to harass, or contact witnesses about the case. and it was the magistrate judge who said, i want the government to give me a list of its perspective witnesses. so that is what happened today. where the government said we are filing this list under seal. wait for it, 84 witnesses. the government has a note saying, by the way, these are not all of their potential trial witnesses. the reason for it being under seal is precisely so that it is
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not out in the public, where people can start harassing them. we did something similar in the mueller investigation. when you have a case where there is such national scrutiny, and there are people who are not on the up and up, and going to threaten people. you don't want witnesses in the case to have to suffer that kind of behaviour or worse, just because they are doing their duty and giving evidence in a criminal case. >> there were a lot of new developments around the classified documents case this week. for you, what stood out the most? >> i think the most to me is not mar-a-lago or the documents case. i think it's that jack smith, on the day of the arraignment, jack smith is in florida. his team is in the grand jury, in d. c., on the january 6th
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investigation. so, to me, i think people should keep their eye on the ball. which is the next case. there are all sorts of developments about witnesses going into the jury in d. c. on the next case. the same way that jack smith is pushing for a speedy trial in the documents case, he is clearly moving forward with witnesses and developing a case that will be just as detailed and ideally will be just as strong as the mar-a-lago case. and that case will be in d. c., when he brings it. >> all right, andrew, we really really needed you tonight. as always, you delivered. andrew weissmann, have a great night. >> my pleasure. >> coming up, we've got breaking news overseas. a long brewing conflict, between russia's military leaders, and the powerful head of the wagner group. all coming to a head, possibly a violent one. how it could be a major turning
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point in the war in ukraine. when the 11th hour continues. what are folks 60 and older up to these days? getting inspired! volunteering! playing pickleba...! >> we've been watching this
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tension as u.s. military officials have been watching and waiting for a moment like this. waiting for a moment when this verbal tension, these accusations that prigozhin has been leveling at the kremlin, particularly at the defense minister, would boil over. if this is playing out the way
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that it seems it plays out, it appears that these long brewing tensions are now turning into something of an insurrection. >> we are following breaking news this evening out of russia. i want to be clear, there is a lot of unverified alarming information out there. and the information is coming from a mercenary group, soldiers for hire, and from putin, and accused war criminal. here's what we do know tonight. the head of the wagner mercenary group has now a cruised marcia of killing thousands of his fighters. massive accusations he has not provided evidence. his name is yevgeny prigozhin. he is now vowed to stop what he is calling the evil of russia's military leadership. russian officials, in response, quickly launched a criminal investigation into production on charges of armed mutiny.
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russian state media is now reporting that security in moscow has increased in response to his statement. we've got a break this down. i want to bring in retired four star u.s. army general, barry mccaffrey. general, i know we are asking a lot because there is a lot of moving parts and a lot of this information is not yet verified. so start us off by reminding us exactly who and what the wagner group is >> well, look, they may have 25,000 fighters left, many of them were convicts.
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they have some civilian contractors. they did quite well in the ukraine and in bakhmut. the head of the group, the owner, prigozhin, we've got to remember, is a real gangster. he served almost a decade behind bars for fraud, andrade, breaking and entering, mugging, choking out women on the street, and stealing their earrings and boots. this guy's a thug. he executes his own people if they deserve with a
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sledgehammer. the he is a very evil man. a billionaire. selling hot dogs on the street, and told putin, another corrupt billionaire brought him into his team. the sum of the respected forces the, stephanie, that you hear on our channel and others, are saying this is orchestrated by putin. he's not really in a coup against putin, just the generals. there is no way that's the case. this guy is going after the senior leadership of the russian armed forces they are putin's people. he's not claiming he was ordered to do it. it's an open insurrection. i would be amazed if he pulls this off. but will we see in the next 72 hours, the fsb, their domestic intelligence, the old kgb. will they arrest prigozhin? or will they spread and the russian armed forces start to come apart? >> if prigozhin is for real, how massive is that? you just said it, putin made him. prigozhin is putin's boy. imagine what it took for him to turn on putin. >> i think he's lost his mind. -- >> he being home? >> prigozhin. to see him make the statements over the last two weeks, getting more and more out of control. and finally, directly going after this most senior secretary minister of defense. the commander of the armed forces, russian armed forces. it's just astonishing. unconfirmed reports now are saying that some of the russian army units are not opposing him.
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and that the fsb may refused to arrest him. we will see. but this will be an enormous interest. not just the ukrainians, because it will obviously affect to the ground and air war in ukraine, but at the end of the day, we don't like, with u.s., the european union, nato, don't like a nuclear armed country involved in civil war. and prigozhin is not a step up from putin. he's just another gangster. >> okay, but maybe prigozhin
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has lost his mind. but haven't we've been saying, since the start of this war, that putin has lost his? >> well, he was in a bubble. he thinks he's a czar, a reconstruct of the russian empire. he has to have all of ukraine to make that a credible statement. he also wants georgia, he wants moldova, he wants belarus. he's well on his way to doing all of those things. then he invaded in a ground war, his own foreign intelligence service gave him bad feedback. he actually thought it was three days to take down ukrainians. whoever the field themselves,
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to be the patriotic fighters -- to have really brilliant political leadership. zelenskyy and his senior people. i think you're right. look, putin is backed into a corner. the economy is in a disaster, a growing disaster. he cannot call another mobilization without having an uprising in the country. hundreds of thousands of young men have fled russia. to stay out of the army. russia is an international pariah. so he's in trouble. the oligarchs know that there are billions of corrupt money
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is at stake. it's going to be a very difficult period for putin to survive. >> what do you make of putin's absence during this crisis? >> you've got 4000 people in the security force. he spends most of his time well outside moscow, and very heavily guarded compound. i think he has filtered sources of information. nobody wants to go in and tell the czar what's going on. i think he's lost control of this situation. behind the scenes, now, he still ostensibly owns the fsb, the domestic security, the national guard, and the riot police. never mind the senior officers or the russian army. several of whom are on video, that i've watched, saying we are staying with putin. so i think putin is scared. he's on the ground. he's probably behind the scenes, just trying to survive, dan and day out. >> what is all of this mean for the war in ukraine? again, i know it's early. >> it's hard to say. the russians have been doing very well. the ukrainians started what i would term a reconnaissance force. trying to find weak places in the line. 900 kilometer front. they run into the security zone
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only. they are running a heavy minefield. they don't have adequate air defense with them. and the tactical error part of the fight. they're not doing very well. they haven't yet committed their major nine brigades of nato modernized armor. the russians have really stalled this and initial phase of the attack. u.s. have not given them, developed over the last year of the war, either inadequate air force or the vital -- missile, which would give them 300 kilometer strike. temporarily, ukrainians are doing well. but behind the scenes, if we are seeing civil war in moscow, and rostov -- the headquarters for the fight in ukraine, it is going to afthe maj >> general, to this story. verified. we really appreciate you trying to help us understand it with the information that we do have. >> good to be with you. >> when we come back, a strict abortion stance, they went over evangelical voters. here's the thing. they don't get to vote twice. republicans are going to have a much harder time getting the rest of the country's support. we are going to dig in when the 11th hour continues. there is a better way to manage diabetes. the dexcom g7 continuous glucose monitoring system
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presidential hopefuls gathered today at a faith and freedom coalition conference. speaking to a conservative evangelical audience, several 2024 candidates promised to harsher restrictions on abortion. watch this. >> every republican candidate for president should support a ban on abortion before 15 weeks, as a minimum, nationwide standard. >> i want to also express my profound gratitude to god, for the celebration of the anniversary of what historians will call the greatest day for defending life in our history. the overturning of roe v. wade. >> one of the biggest reasons the press said i couldn't win, was because i ran as what i am. and unabashedly pro life republican. >> we have also delivered in florida, on promoting a culture of life. that means signing the
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heartbeat bill into law. >> if congress acts, i will sign a federal law to restrict abortion. >> back with us tonight, retired marine corps lieutenant colonel, this amy mcgrath, she ran for senate in kentucky against minority leader, mitch mcconnell. and the stuart stevens, back from his european vacation. -- presidential campaigns. he is now with the lincoln project. stuart, recent nbc news polling shows 61% of voters disapprove of the decision to overturn roe, including almost a third of republicans. yet, the gop is not backing down. can you explain this to me? >> look, i think it's a political disaster. plus, it's completely hypocritical. faye said we just want to get
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row overturned so we can -- the states can decide. what are they happen now? the states are calling for a national ban. -- it was all a lie. they are completely out of step with where the country is. it was a ruling that most american, majority of americans don't agree with. i think we saw in the last election, the electoral consequences. the election people thought was going to be great for republicans, turned out to be not so great. i think this is one of the key reasons. >> amy, tim scott put out a new advertisement today. completely misrepresenting
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comments janet yellen made a year ago, about abortion. watch this. >> senator tim scott, calling out janet yellen's claims that abortion is good for the economy. >> i know i didn't hear what i just heard, that the way up his to eliminates the life of your child. that's unconscionable. >> for facts's sake, what did secretary yellen actually said was that banning abortion could prevent women from finishing their education, and limiting their career opportunities. any, what is your take on this position, the likes of tim scott are taking. they're not even telling the truth to their supporters about an issue that supposedly is so important. >> what this tells me is that abortion will probably be the issue in 2024. why? because both sides are going to be talking about it. the abortion issue is sort of, for the republicans, it's like the proverbial dog that finally caught the car, right? before a year ago, the republicans always talked about this issue. it rallied out the pro-lifers. but they never really believed that roe v. wade would ever be repealed. now that it's repealed, a lot of people are fired up. a lot of people who don't like the fact that roe v. wade is repealed, are fired up. this is a real problem for republicans. they are doubling down, because
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they've got to energize that pro-life base again. but in the meantime, they are in a predicament, because they are really ticking off a lot of women in this country. and a lot of people who believe that what they are doing, as stewart said, is really extreme. so, they are talking about it. but also the biden harris camp is going to be talking about it. you saw this week. they are going to be pounding the republicans on this, because they are going to say, look at what these republicans do when they are empowered. they take your rights away. they take women's rights away. this is going to be an issue, because both sides are going to talk about it. >> stewart, donald trump was not at today's event. but i want to share what
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happened when chris christie spoke about him. >> he has let us down because he's unwilling. he's unwilling to take responsibility for any of the mistakes that were made. , any of the falls that he has. and any of the things that he has done. and that is not leadership, everybody. that is a failure of leadership. you can do all you want. but here's the thing, our faith teaches us that people have to take responsibility for what they do. >> you can boo all you want, and boo-boo is what they did. yes chris christie actually care that a group of evangelicals don't like what he had to say? because at the end of the day, it was super rich new yorkers, like steve cohen, who owns the mets, writing chris christie big fat checks so he can hit trump between the eyes. and that's what he's doing. >> yeah, i think look, this is a good moment for trump, and a good moment for chris christie. i think it's sort of what we call in politics as come to be known as a sister soldier moment. to go out what bill clinton did and speak at your own party doesn't want to hear.
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this is the path to chris christie has. i love the guy, i vote for the guy when he ran for governor. i wish he had been saying this back in 16. i wish he never endorsed trump. but we can't undo that. i don't think that there is a winnable path to a nomination that isn't anti trump. but i'm glad that he's out there saying this. , but his role here is to see what he sees known as the truth. and he should do that. >> thank you for being here. when we come back, this sign isn't warning drivers of ice or oil on the road. it is warning them of crickets. this is a story that you are going to be talking about all weekend. and possibly having nightmares about tonight, when the 11th hour continues!
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>> you must learn to choose between right and wrong. >> right wrong how well i know? >> your conscience will tell you. >> what our conscience? >> while our conscience. i will tell you. conscience is that still small voice that people don't listen to. that is just the trouble with the world today. >> my conscience? >> me? >> would you like to be pinocchio's conscious? >> well, i -- yes. >> the last thing before we go tonight, the nevada cricket invasion, and no, not the friendly advice given kind like chimney cricket, a really scary one. millions, millions of smelly
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crickets have invaded one very unlucky nevada city, and what we usually like to end the show with some good news, we know the story is one he will be talking about all weekend. i will tell, you i'm completely freaked out by, it like snakes in a toilet level freaked out. steve patterson reports from the crawley center of it all. >> it is happening right now, a small town under invasion. >> it is disgusting it is so gross. >> this is a nevada, besieged by mormon crickets. >> it is disgusting, they are literally everywhere. >> ground zero, the once quiet home with -- >> it was an apocalyptic feeling, i could not sleep, i could not sleep, everything you eat looks like a cricket. >> it felt like living in the old testament. >> i did not feel that way to you, did it feel biblical. >> the critters are a migratory
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menace, they had farmers here since the -- an outbreak like this can last up to 60 minutes because they normally stick to the desert and away from people, but this time they found their way into -- and this is what about it looks like right now a town covered in dalliance of these crickets they are not aggressive they do not staying, they do not bite, but that doesn't mean they are not causing problems. >> they only attract more, because they eat their own dead. both gross, and a hazard. >> i feel like i hear them crunching. >> roads can usually become slick, with bug juice, and the smell. >> it just smells like that rotten bugs everywhere. all the time. >> the hospital, the scene out of a war. >> we had people out there with leaf blowers, and trying to keep the sidewalks clear. >> it has mostly been on, but there are a lot of bugs left helping, around and a lot of mental anguish lingers.
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>> a reminder of the futility of man, facing mother nature. steve patterson, nbc news. >> [screaming] apologies for the nightmare, that is a whole other level. on that a very disturbing note, i can't even say i will wish you all the good night, because i have just given you a horrible one. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me, i will see you at the end of monday. >> it has been 15 years of it's been 15 years of frustration, of tears, frustration, tears, fighting for what we wanted. how long can you keep reliving a sister's murder? >> it all began when this bestselling author married this elegant executive. >> they brought us

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