and democracy, what is your message to those including some members of your own party who say your administration is overlooking the targeting of religious minorities and crackdown on dissent in prime minister modi's country. >> the answer to your first question is no. you know, when we're talking to our allies and partners around the world, including india, we let the idea of my choosing and the facts with regard to the relationship with china is just not something i'm going to change very much. i believe i've said this for some time, the hysteria of relationship with china is

collapsing and moving et cetera, et cetera, we had an incident that caused some confusion you might say, but the secretary blinken had a great trip to china. i expect to be meeting with president xi sometime in the future in the near term, and i don't think it's had any real consequence. what was your second question. >> as you raise broader issues of human rights and democracy, what's your message, including members of your own party who thinks your administration is overlooking a crack down on dissent in india. >> the prime minister and i had a good discussion about democratic values, and there's a -- that's the nature of our relationship. we're straightforward with each other, and we respect each other. one of the fundamental reasons that i believe the u.s./china

relationship is not in the space it is, in the u.s. indian relationship is that there's an overwhelming respect for each other because we're both democracies, and it's a common democratic character of both of our countries that -- and our people, our diversity, our culture, our open tolerant, robust debate, and i believe that we believe in the dignity of every citizen, and it is in america's dna, and i believe in india's dna that the whole world, the whole world has a stake in our success, both of us, and maintaining our democracies. makes us appealing partners and enables us to expand democratic institutions across and around the world. and i believe this and still believe this. >> prime minister, india long prided itself as the world's largest democracy but there are many human rights groups who say your government has

discriminated against religious minorities and silenced critics. as you stand in the east room of the white house where so many world leaders have made commitments to protecting democracy, what steps are you and your government willing to take to improve the rights of muslims and other minorities in your country and to uphold free speech? >> i'm actually really surprised people say it. people don't say it, indeed, and there is a democracy and as president biden also mentioned, india and america both countries, democracy is in our dna. democracy is our spirit. democracy runs in our veins.

we live democracy and our ancestors have put words to this concept. that's in the form of our constitution. our government has taken the basic principles of democracy and on that basis, the constitution is made and the entire country runs on that. our constitution and our government, we have always proved that democracy can deliver, and when i say deliver, this is regardless of caste, creed, religion, gender. there's absolutely no space for discrimination, and when you talk of democracy, if there are no human values, and there is no humanity, then it's not a

democracy. when you say democracy and accept democracy, and when we live democracy, then there is absolutely no space for discrimination and that is why india believes in moving ahead with everybody we trust, and with everybody's efforts. these are our foundation principles which are the basis of how we operate, how we live our lives. in india, the benefits that are provided by the government is accessible to all, available to everybody and that is why in india's democratic values, there's absolutely no discrimination, neither on the basis of task, read, or age or any kind of geographic location. >> kumar. >> thanks a lot sir. >> my question is on the climate. both countries have spoken strongly about the need to tackle the climate change.

but there's a view that, and targets are set and implemented and are lacking and there's also criticism of lack of technology transfer, financial transfer from the developed countries to the developing nations. how do you both leaders see the way ahead on this pressing issue? >> first of all, it's the existential threat to humanity. we have made enormous progress here in the united states on dealing with this issue by doing three things, number one, by insisting that we move every one of our industries into a

position where they can take advantage of cheaper and more extensive and more available renewable energy, whether it's solar or wind or hydrogen, and green hydrogen. there's a whole range of things we have been working on. in addition to that, we find ourselves in a position that what we've done is that we have significantly reduced the, for example, i made a commitment that if we are going to make sure that by 2030, 30% of all of our land and sea and oceans, where in conservation could not be developed, we're well on our way to doing that, and that's also absorbing carbon from the air as a consequence of that, because of conservation. we are in a position as well that we have provided for significant increase in funding for a whole range of issues, but not just for the united states, but for the rest of the world. for example, we're working with

the g7 to provide infrastructure on the largest solar project, moving ourselves to go all the way across the southern 2/3 from the atlantic ocean to the indian ocean in africa. to be able to transport and do it cheaper and do it with less, how can i say it, less carbon emissions. we're trying to work with other countries to maintain their carbon sinks so they don't have to develop them like we did and work out to pay them not to develop certain areas, like the amazon in brazil, but there's a lot of technology that's available that we're sharing and we share with one another. we have learned how to do solar

energy, which is considerably cheaper than it is for fuel, for fossil fuels. the same way dealing with not just solar, but dealing with wind. there's a lot of technology we have developed and we're well on our way, i think, to meeting the commitment we made to -- that we made in paris, and we're prepared to share all of that with india. that has a desire to do the same. >> excellent, you said as far as india is concerned, the environment, climate, these are extremely important in our cultural traditions. for us, the environment is an article of faith.

this is not something we need to do for convenience. we believe this. we do not believe in the exploitation of nature. in order for all of creation to work, we cannot have exploitation of nature and we have always believed this. and on the basis of these values, we are not only doing things for ourselves but are taking some global initiatives as well. you perhaps know that the g20 countries, the promises they made in paris, of all the g20 countries, india is the only country that have fulfilled all the promises it made at the g20, not just that, in the area of solar energy in glasgow. we had set ourselves a target to

achieve 500 gigawatts of renewable energy by 2030. we have set ourselves a target to make railways net zero, and you must understand the scale of indian railways. when we talk about indian railways, it means that every day the entire population of australia travels in our railways on our trains and we have set ourselves a target to achieve net zero for our railways. we have also set ourselves targets for solar energy, for ethanol, 10% mix of ethanol. we have completed this target before this set date. we are also working in the area of green hydrogen. we want india to be a green hydrogen hub, and we are working towards this. in the international solar alliance has been launched by

india and many countries have joined in and are working with india. the island countries, they have a new confidence that we are with them in their efforts to fight climate change and we will not only fulfill our responsibilities, but we will also help you in the area of climate change. we have seen that due to natural calamities, people talk about the death of people when there are natural disaster, but there's a lot of destruction of infrastructure as well. and therefore, because of climate change, the kind of crisis we are feeling, we need to develop infrastructure that is resilient, and therefore we have created a global organization called cdri, and you perhaps know that in

glasgow, i presented a subject to the world, and recently, it was launched by the u.n. secretary general and myself. that is mission life, and when i say life, i mean lifestyle for the environment. therefore, every individual must live his life in a pro environment, a pro development way, and we are working towards this, and i am sure that whatever work india has started in all of these areas, not because india has adversely affected the environment of the world, we are doing this because we have a concern for future generations. we do not want to give future generations a world that makes life difficult for them. and therefore, as a global responsibility, india has not caused any problems to the environment, however, we are

playing a leading role in contributing in a positive manner as far as prosperous countries are concerned. there's been talk about technology transfer, financial support, and there are some countries that need to have technology transfer financial support, and we hope that as soon as we can move forward, we will be able to solve this challenge of climate change. thank you very much. >> that's why i was able to convince my colleagues in congress to pass legislation, the largest climate fund ever in american and world history. $369 billion. $369 billion to deal with the climate crisis. and we're doing it extensively now, and i think you're going to

see significant progress. thank you all very very much. >> from the east room of the white house, president biden and the prime minister modi, extraordinary event. nine years he has been prime minister of india. to our knowledge, he has never answered a single question at a press conference. he has a monthly radio show. he likes to give speeches, but he does not answer questions. he does not hold press conferences. i want to bring in nbc's chief washington correspondent and msnbc anchor, andrea mitchell and msnbc political analyst phil rucker. this was a big question for us. would he answer questions for the first time in his prime ministership, andrea, and he was questioned about india as a democracy, defending it in spite of the fact that there are facts

on the ground that many would say argues the opposite, and that there are protesters both outside the white house and waiting for him on capitol hill who would argue otherwise. talk your perspective on what we just saw, andrea. >> it was extraordinary, you're absolutely right. your experience in india, covering the g20 and your past trips there informs you of exactly what was so amazing about all of this. i'm sure at times they could hear the protesters outside. you can when you're in the east room, and there are protests, and he seemed to want to leave, when he initially said he wanted to end it there because he had another engagement, which is of course the joint meeting of congress. he did take the questions, certainly prompted by the president and because of the reception that he's having, a state visit is rarely afforded. this is only the third of this administration, and usually with very close allies, so this is have a very special sign, and he had no choice, and he said that democracy is in our dna,

democracy in the u.s. and in india is in our bloodstream. he, you know, was dramatic in saying there's no space for discrimination. this contradicts your reporting and my reporting from the ground. this is what he said and declared himself committed to the question from our colleague from the "wall street journal" asking what steps are you willing to take to guarantee rights to people, and he declared his commitment to democracy, also of course was asked about climate, and significantly, this was the president's first opportunity to answer a question which he answered about the comments he made, the controversial comments off the cuff from comments in san francisco at a tuesday night fundraiser, when he not only said that president xi is a dictator but president biden was asked about whether this would impact and set back whatever progress had been made by secretary blinken in the meetings just the day before in

beijing. he said he was not going to change his behavior, telling what he believes to be true, and that he thought he would be moving with president xi and it would not have an impact. he did not specifically mention another part of what he had said which is even more controversial in the diplomatic and intelligence community that he said that he thought that president xi did not know about the balloon incident, that it was accidental, unintentional, he said that last week, and again in san francisco. last week at another fundraiser in the midwest, and again, saying that we are somehow aware of what was going on and president xi is thinking about all of this, well, that certainly suggested to a lot of people in diplomacy and foreign policy that he's basically telling the world we have intelligence on the decision making inside the leadership in beijing. >> and i will note that you said that if you have the opportunity you would ask the question about ukraine, and prime minister modi did not change his position. he had no condemnation of

russia, and what they have done in ukraine, but i also want to bring in nbc senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. we were talking about the unique, truly unique nature of this first press conference we know of in nine years, he did deny any discrimination in india, but he didn't directly address the idea of the oppression of minorities in the country. a couple of things, what are your headlines coming out of this press conference and did you know going in that he was going to answer questions? >> reporter: we did not know if he would answer. we knew questions would be posed but we did not know if he would respond. he was not directly responsive to the framing of our colleague sabrina siddiqui from the "wall street journal." often in the rooms, leaders make commitments on matters of democracy. he did not do that. he talked about his reflections

on democracy in his home country, and basically denied the undercurrent of the question, the implication of the question that there are real concerns about rolling back freedoms about unfair treatment of minority populations within india. but to be in this room, and to know that a democratic leader who has quite a cult of personality, quite a strong following even in the united states but does not engage with the press. for him to take a question and respond to it is clearly notable. there's a large indian press corp., moving through the room, traveling with the prime minister to capitol hill for his address to the joint session today. it was definitely a sense of history here, and certainly as journalists part of the white house press corps, there was a real sense of responsibility among our side of the room, that we were going to make certain questions were asked of the prime minister and we would see how he would respond. andrea's assessment, she gave a

full report on what happened here, and i think she's right that the diplomatic gesture of a state visit is so significant that it would put the prime minister in an impossible situation to not give an answer at the same time he is the leader of democracy. he might have been pinned into a corner, but he did participate and it would be significant if going forward he would see the press questions are part of democracy and maybe will take some at other junctures down the line. chris. >> he is as indicated heading to congress, and he's going to address a joint session, not all members of congress will be there. there are some members who will stay back in protest, and then there will be a formal dinner tonight. but clearly in addition to some of the photos of the two world leaders together, the headlines that they would like to see are about this strategic technological partnership, a multi-billion dollar deal that modi himself called the landmark agreement. it will bring jobs to places

like ohio and colorado and south carolina, and also bring american companies to india itself. talk about that and the importance to both of these leaders. >> well, certainly we often focus on the headlines of things like commenting on dictator comment in reference to president xi but the underpinnings of this meeting and the work done by some of the people seated in the first two rows closest to the leaders that has been going on for a long time leading up to this is about what is known in diplomatic speak as the deliverables. important partnerships between the united states and india in areas where there can be economic growth, where there can be collaboration, and also when you consider what the world has gone through with damage to the supply chains with respect to the covid crisis, having new partnerships in new places in the world is significant in trying to address some of those concerns, and when it comes to the relationship between the u.s. and the war in ukraine

where certainly president biden has been leading in the area of trying to get other world leaders to be responsive in that way, for india to purchase weapons that are not russian-made is also a step that may be closer to the u.s. position wanting to weaken russia in that way, not further support it. chris. >> phil, fill us in. what are you looking for as the rest of this day unfolds, four events, really, that meeting in the oval office, the press conference that we just saw, but as i mentioned, the speech before congress and then the state dinner. >> most significant event will be the speech before congress. what modi has to say there, he will be in the heart of american democracy, and does he address any of the differences between his style of governing and what we have here. and i think also to look for the reaction from members of congress. does anybody protest in that room, does anybody shout anything to him, does anybody say anything in a more

restrained, diplomatic way that would underscore what we just all saw a few minutes ago of, you know, modi confronting a question from a journalist and confronting the human rights abuses and other erosions of democratic principles on his watch in india. >> phil rucker, andrea mitchell, kelly o'donnell. >> a debris field found, we'll get a live update next. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc ♪♪ ♪ a bunch of dead guys made up work, way back when. ♪ ♪ it's our turn now we'll make it up again. ♪ ♪ we'll build freelance teams with more agility. ♪

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to say, their announcement about this press conference was very straightforward. it was very direct and the announcement that there has been a debris field detected is very ominous. most of the people that we were talking to about this are very concerned. you know there have been safety concerns raised about this vessel going. it's an experimental vessel, going on this expedition. earlier we spoke to a canadian who lives in the community who went on the voyage back in july of last year with his son. here's some of what he had to say about his concerns. take a listen. did you have concerns about the safety of the craft? >> yeah, of course. >> reporter: you looked into it? >> we did. >> reporter: and you were satisfied obviously? >> i think you're never 100% satisfied. we went into this knowing there were risks. it's clearly not for the faint hearted. but we did spend a lot of time

diligent, both oceangate and the submersible itself. by last summer, that sub had been known a number of times. it has proven itself, and so, you know, of course there's risks, but we were, you know, we were reasonably comfortable that we were going to be okay. >> reporter: he said it was the trip of a lifetime. it was spectacular, and we shared the news with him about a debris field being detected and he was heartbroken, and very very upset. and that's the reaction that you're going to see here. we are right next to the headquarters of the company, the shipping company that took the submersible out there and launched it. they have been maintaining a crisis center here. we spoke to the ceo yesterday. they have a crew of about 17 on a ship out there, and it's going to be heading back, if in fact, this debris field news is what it suggested it might be. colin taylor said he was very concerned about the most ominous thing he heard was the fact that they lost communications after an hour and 45 minutes of the

voyage. because when he went, they had communications throughout. so it's been a series of negative news, more worry, and now we are waiting for the press conference at 3:00. >> ron allen, thank you for that. i want to bring back tim taylor, veteran ocean explorer, and founder of tiburon sub sea. the evidence is being evaluated within allied command. i'm assuming that's at least pictures of what this underwater vehicle saw. what would be definitive? what could they potentially see if indeed, as you suggested, it sounds most likely if this is the debris field of titan, it imploded. >> correct. >> could they find large parts, identifiable parts? >> yes, these things have cowls,

all of those could break off, fall off, be thrown, scattered as in a debris field. tanks that carry their oxygen, if they're monitored externally. all of these things now become pulverized in an instant. drop and fall, so those are the things they'll be looking for. those are the things that would be definitive for this discovery of the submersible. >> you just heard the gentleman who spoke with ron allen who went down last july with his son, and staying with this voyage that a father and son are on it, he said he did his due diligence, and clearly he was satisfied at least in part because it had gone down a number of times very safely. >> right. >> is that a measure for you as somebody who works in this business of safety? >> he's done his due diligence, but is he an expert in that field? okay. he feels safe, but there are

standards and procedures. there are certifications that ensure your safety. would you get on a jet plane to fly across the atlantic? we tried it out last week and it worked. but we've never flown it like six times. the faa is in place to govern rules of planes and how they work. when there's a crash and something like this, they explore why, and they try to fix it. this was an experimental craft, and that's what they were signing up for. whether the people really understood that or not, i can't tell you that, but they should have. feeling safe, and knowing, having professionals certify this and tell you you're safe or safe as can be. safe as is a dangerous word. safer but not necessarily always super safe. safer is probably the word to use. >> ron mentioned this in the context, and i'm sure you know that there are a lot of employees, a lot of people on the outside who questioned

whether this was safe. let me just start with a question that i've heard from a lot of people which is could it have been found sooner? why wasn't there a ping or a tracking device on it? >> yes, and this is what i do, what my wife does for business. we mitigate risk. our job is to keep everybody safe, whether they're clients or equipment. and bring an $8 million robot out to scan for lost world war ii wrecks and we lose it, we have an rov on board that is bigger than me, as big as the system that was lost here to go down and find our assets. we carry it with us. we don't call for help. if i was planning this expedition, i would have known all the assets in the area that would have reached the bottom of the titanic, and reached out to them and have them in place. those counseling people to do this advising people to do this should have done that.

whether the owner took that in consideration and did it, is a different story. i wouldn't leave the dock without a way to get home and recover my equipment or in this case, people and then unfortunately now maybe wreckage. >> i put andrea on the spot about prime minister modi, let me put you on the spot as well too. what question would you ask at this press conference? >> i think the press conference is not going to answer all the questions we were asking. i think they were lost the day they were lost and if this debris field is what it is, i think the next stage is where we grieve, we get these people home, if we can recover it. we do the process that will honor them, and then we find out why. just like an faa investigation of a plane crash. there needs to be an understanding of what happened, the decision making processes, don't let this happen again. this should not reflect on the submersible industry. the industry that follows standards and rules and

regulations and has certifications hasn't had an accident in 50 something years. so. >> tim taylor, thank you. and our thoughts are with the families of those five people on board. i appreciate your time. still ahead, the desperate fight to bring an american journalist jailed in russia home at last. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc with the freestyle libre 2 system know your glucose level and where it's headed without fingersticks. manage your diabetes with more confidence and lower your a1c. it's covered by medicare for those who qualify. ask your doctor about the freestyle libre 2 system. the subway series is taking your favorites to the next level. hold on, chuck! you can't beat the italian bmt. uh you can with double cheese and mvp vinaigrette. double cheese?!? yes and yes! man, you crazy. try the refreshed favorites at subway today.

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isolation and despair. with me now, paul beckett, washington bureau chief at the "wall street journal," and michael mcfaul, former u.s.

ambassador to russia and msnbc analyst. i appreciate you both being here. paul, as a friend and colleague of evans, i'm sure you're not surprised by today's ruling. but disappointed. your reaction? >> very disappointing for evan, for his family, for the "wall street journal," and for all of the people who have done an extraordinary job in supporting his cause. pretty soon he will have been in prison for a hundred days. that comes in about two weeks. we obviously consider these charges completely unfounded. and every time we have the opportunity to get him released and it doesn't happen. >> it was particularly moving, and we have seen him in court before, but to know that his family was there, do you know anything about that interaction? has the paper been in touch with his family? >> i think it was obviously very meaningful for both of them,

certainly for evan's parents. it was the second time they had gone to moscow to show support. couldn't touch him. you're not allowed to put hands through the bars of that glass cage that he is in. but i think they were both happy and sad, both heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time. >> these are obviously horrific circumstances, paul, but what do we know about his health? what do we know about how he's doing? have you been in touch with him? i think he has been writing letters, right, to friend and family? >> as far as we know, he is in pretty good shape under the circumstances. it's a brutal place to be. but he seems to be coping as we would expect him to. he's a incredibly sharp, confident expert, young reporter, so he's also very fluent in russian, and he loves russia, so i think some of the disconnect that you would otherwise have is probably

amyluated by his love for the country, and he will know exactly what's going on, and he'll know the efforts being made to end his wrongful detention. he has been writing letters out, and people have been able to get letters into him. there's plenty of contact, but i just have to emphasize it is under the circumstances he will be much much much better off when he comes back home to the newsroom. >> michael, as the former u.s. ambassador to russia, you know all too well the difficulties that face obviously the prisoners, but also their families, their friends, their loved ones back home. evan's sister danielle was in philadelphia and she said it was great to see him. you can't help, knowing there's little chance things will go the way you would like to him, it's hard not to have a little hope, can you put into words the extraordinary challenges that

evan, his family, the people who love him are going through right now? >> no, i can't, because i can't imagine what it is. i can't imagine seeing my son in those circumstances. i just, i feel for them, it's very difficult. it's good and tragically i have other friends, both americans and russians who are in jail, wrongly in jail in russia today, and i know when these moments happen, they're just like you were just discussing them, moments of joy to see him. he looks healthy. he's smiling, but also sadness because it's just this fleeting thing, and he's back in jail, and no one should have any illusions as nobody does on this conversation that there's rule of law in russia. this was fully expected. and tragically, he'll only get out of jail if there is a political decision to make some kind of swap to get him out of this wrongfully detained horrific situation that he's in right now. >> help people who are watching

understand the difficulties, the complexities of those kind of political decisions. >> well, the good news, at least from my point of view, and it should be from evan's point of view is that the biden administration has made these swaps before. you know, there's this argument that says if you do this, you're going to encourage more, you know, these kinds of actions around the world, by the way, the social science data, people that work on that in my world, suggest that's not true. there's this conventional wisdom, if you do these swaps, that's going to lead to more imprisonments, more detentions, but the biden administration has crossed that rubicon. they have already done it, and that suggests to me that i know they're looking for ways to do it, and it suggests to me that they will lean in to try to do that. second thing i would say is ambassador tracy was there today. that's a very important signal. that means that at the highest levels, the state department is

fully engaged in watching what is happening with his fate. >> and we should say you mentioned the prisoner swap that freed brittney griner who has tried very much to keep in the public eye the people who are still being held, not just evan, paul whelan and others and as well. paul beckett, former ambassador, michael mcfaul, thank you both. still ahead, the mystery over who bailed out george santos, finally solved, more on that, and the ongoing politics of santos in the spotlight next. s of santos in the spotlight next. 3 in the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ (oh, oh, oh, ozempic®!) ♪ in my ozempic® tri-zone, i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. ozempic® provides powerful a1c reduction. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. and you may lose weight. adults lost up to 14 pounds.

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congressman said he would go to jail to protect. i want to bring in nbc capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles, also with us, republican strategist, and msnbc political analyst, susan del percio. so who paid the bail, ryan? >> reporter: it appears, chris, and this is confirmed through santos and through the court documents that were revealed in court today that it was two members of his family that put up this bail money. one being his father and another being his aunt. and santos, you know, withheld this information for some time because he told us he was concerned about the potential threats to his family. and even though those names have now been released, we actually caught up with santos a little bit earlier today, and this is how he responded to the revelation. >> reaction? that's my family. >> reporter: why the delays in just releasing this? >> because of you guys. because now you're going to harass them, a 71-year-old and a 60-year-old. that's what you do best, right, is make people's lives

miserable, that's what i was avoiding and now you guys created this enormous, unnecessary attention to this, something that historically nobody really cares about, my whole thing around keeping the sureties secret was for their safety. >> reporter: well, you know, santos makes an argument here about his family members' safety but neglects to point out that his financial history and where he gets his money from is a big part of the controversy that surrounds him. it's also a big part of the basis of the indictments that he's facing, the possible future indictments that could come down the road, so the idea of who would be behind the financing of keeping him out of jail is of great interest to the public, and chris, we should also point out today, perhaps coincidentally, perhaps not, the ethics committee released a statement saying that they are still very much investigating the accusations against him, they have issued dozens of subpoenas and have conducted

interviews as part of their investigation. it's that ethics committee investigation that could ultimately lead to santos leaving his seat in congress if the members of congress ultimately decide to go down that road, chris. >> and since we know the complications of that because there's such a thin majority that the speaker has. having said that, to say this is enormous and unnecessary attention, i can't imagine any member of congress facing a 13-count federal indictment that wouldn't get attention. >> exactly right. and especially since nothing santos has said has been proven to be true, not one thing. his whole resume, how he got into office, but more importantly as the names were released today, how he got his money. so important to recognize as a parent, his father and aunt actually didn't put up money, they just guaranteed it. they didn't have to show anything what they were guaranteeing it with. that's the million dollar question. no pun intended when it comes to

santos. >> half million dollar question. because santos has all of a sudden went from making $22,000 a year to $750,000 a year. we know that from his reporting on his financials. he gets money unethically. we know that. and, yes, we would want to know who put up the bond. i mean, i would not be surprised if once again, this was just another shell game, and just for the record, i have worked with the media for 30 years. i never see anyone harassing older people for no reason, and i don't expect to see it there. that's something that santos does as a deflection. >> so let's talk about the politics of this because we already know that there are any number of republicans who would just like this to go away, right? but democrats, many of them, they pushed this. they wanted to know, they talked about it. the way "axios" put is they wanted to shine a continued light on the embattled long

islanders legal troubles which have been been used as a cudgel against other vulnerable republicans, is it useful for democrats? >> it doesn't hurt to have someone like we have to stop the george santos from being elected and the fact that the republicans are lock step behind him really allows to take santos shadow and put it right over all of them. >> ryan nobles, susan del percio, not the last time i think we will be talking about the congressman from long island, thank you both so much. we're moments away from the update from the coast guard after a debris field was found in the search for that missing tourist submersible. they have been really on time when they say they're having that press conference, they have the press conference, so we're now just a little more than ten minutes away. we'll have that for you live from boston coming up. ve that fe from boston coming up. the network she can count on. and now she has myplan, the game-changing new plan that lets her get exactly what she wants and save on every perk. sadie is moving to the big city and making moves on her plan, too.

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we are back with breaking news. oceangate now confirming in a statement they believe the titan sub crew has perished. i want to read the statement to you in its entirety. we just got it. it says from oceangate incorporated, we now believe that our ceo, stockton rush, dawood and his son suleman da wood, hammish harding. our hearts are with these five souls and every member of their families during this tragic time. we grieve the loss of life and joy they brought to everyone they knew. this is an extremely sad time for our dedicated employees who are exhausted and grieving deeply over this loss. the entire oceangate family is deeply grateful for the countless men and women from

multiple organizations of the international community who expedited wide ranging resources and have worked so hard on this mission. we appreciate their commitment to finding these five explorers and their days and nights of tireless work in support of our crew and their families. this is a very sad time for the entire explorer community and for each of the family members of those lost at sea. we respectfully ask that the privacy of these families be respected during this most painful time. i want to bring in larry daley, president of titanic expedition logistics. he's also an expert on the titanic and has led expeditions there. also with me, retired army lieutenant general russell honorary involved in numerous search and rescue missions. larry, obviously a very sad time, given the fact that we were told about this debris field many hours ago, this was not unexpected. but first of all, obviously our

condolences to not just the families but everyone who knew these men, but your initial reaction? >> it's not the news i wanted to hear, the update i wanted to hear. i'm just processing this now. i'm here in st. john's newfoundland on the harbor front. i didn't want to give up hope, and i'm very sad to hear this. you know, obviously my condolences go out to the families involved. and the crew that was lost. you know, to my good friend nargeolet, who i only spent a couple weeks ago, went out and had a bite with him in st. john's, so it's a lot to take in right now. >> and i appreciate you being here given this sad news. would you like to talk a little bit about ph.

he was respected in the community of people who investigated, who loved the titanic and who believed in deep water exploration. tell us about p.h., and the man you knew. >> p.h. was a wonderful guy. he always made you smile. he always asked how you were doing, you know, very upbeat, and he -- >> we have lost our communication unfortunately. i don't know whether it's weather. we'll try to obviously get back to him, but general, what would they have had to have found. what would they have had to have seen to do so fairly quickly from the time they recovered this debris to putting out the notice of this press conference and now this statement to know that, indeed, the titan was lost? >> well, during the last couple

of days, the experts have been preparing us for what could be the worst case scenario and outcome. with the discovery of the debris, and i'm sure they must have had some second and third validation of the debris that they made this announcement. these are tough, tough missions, chris. i participated in three of them when i was on the joint chiefs of staff and the national military command center, responding to requests and orders from the white house to go and deal with the kennedy crash, with egyptian flight 999 in 1999 and in 2000, in october, the russian kirk submarine, and each one of these is hard. it's a combined effort between off the coast of the u.s., led by the coast guard and dealing with nato off the coast of norway.

and under the russian submarine, it was a saturday morning, i remember secretary cohen directed us to deploy the deep submersibles from norfolk. got to get the deep submersible movement, and then move by air force. >> larry, i know we have you back, and there will be many questions and have been questions raised about folks who do this kind of exploration in spite of the danger. if you want to speak to p.h., but also to the others who have done this and why they do it. and the importance, in your mind of them doing it, what would you say? >> well, you know, p.h. was a mentor to me and a good friend over, you know, almost 25 years. i did my first expedition working right here in st. john's harbor in 1998. and i just want people to know how good of a man he was. you know, but going forward, you

know, i just, you know, i just feel so bad. i don't really know what to say. like i said, i'm just trying to process all of this now, and it's just a bad feeling, and, you know, it's a sad time. >> it is indeed a sad time, larry daley, we are very sorry for your loss, and we can't tell you how much we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. general honore, thanks to you as well. the breaking news, the confirmation that the five lives aboard the titan have been lost. that's going to do it for us this hour. up next my colleague katy tur has more breaking coverage of the search for the missing sub that, again, has resulted in the finding that it is lost. and the coast guard press conference any minute. >> thank you very much, the coast guard press conference is beginning right now, real admiral john mauger, let us listen. >> an rov or