know what you are re-sharing the four year we share it, but it is a moment of intentionality, a moment of reflection decreases misinformation by ten or 15%. -- well, when i talk about the physics of social media, you know, when we rake change of reassures, misinformation, because it is so seductive, it just hits us in the right spot, it ends up going down very very long chains. so if you can add any friction in that train, people stop and they themselves say, hey, that doesn't sound plausible to me. but people don't necessarily appreciate that, because they don't know that system. >> yeah. >> so i'm hoping through things like simulated social networks, we can teach things like high school classes or college classes. >> all right, first physics lessons we've ever had on our show on velshi. francis, we appreciate you being with. us frances haugen as the former lead product manager for facebook's civic misinformation team and she's been a great

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republican candidates running for president his work to fight crime and gun violence and his own political future. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> donald trump once again made history this week for all the wrong reasons. on tuesday, he became the first former president to ever be arraigned on federal charges. in a truly surreal scene that played out in downtown miami he surrendered to authorities at the federal courthouse where he was booked fingerprinted and lead to a courtroom where he pleaded not guilty to 37 criminal counts. those charges include willfully retaining national security secrets and refusing the government's attempts to get them back. by any measure these are extremely serious charges. and yet, true to form trump pretended it was just business as usual, traveling straight from the courtroom to a series of campaign stops. of course, what we witnessed this week was definitely not business as usual.

what we saw was a criminal defendant who put the national security of our country at risk, jeopardizing the safety of the u.s. military and human intelligence sources. and don't just take it from me, or from the 49-page indictment against him, which is quite detailed. many of trump's former allies, including members of his own cabinet, forcefully expressed their concerns this week. it is significant because these were the people who worked closely, very closely, the closest with trump during his presidency. who themselves handled sensitive materials. take this rebuke from mike pompeo, trump's former secretary of state. >> let's fight documents where he shouldn't have had them and then when given the opportunity to return them he chose not to do that. that is inconsistent with protecting americas soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines. and if the allegations are true, some of these are pretty serious important documents. >> you heard that right. trump's behavior was inconsistent with protecting americas soldiers. and here's trump's former vice president mike pence just this morning. >> the allegations in the

indictment are serious. we've got to ensure that classified materials, especially those that have been alleged in this indictment bearing up on our national security are protected and secure. >> and here's trump's former defense secretary mark esper, also just hours ago this morning. >> the revelations are very troubling, disturbing. >> do you think trump can be trusted with the nation's secrets ever again? >> based on his actions, again, if proven true, under the indictment by the special counsel, no. it is just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation's security at risk. >> so, why are former members of trump's cabinet speaking out so strongly? because our national security secrets, including intelligence assessments about military capabilities and nuclear capacities of other countries is something that for decades, democrats and republicans have largely protected. they have done this through

presidential transitions, through major disagreements about how to wage the record, how to approach nuclear capabilities, or how to withdraw from afghanistan, just to name a few. because by protecting those secrets, they protected the men and women serving in the military, those representing the united states overseas, and of course our human intelligence sources. this isn't controversial, and it really shouldn't be. it's common sense, and it's not at all political. it's patriotic to protect those secrets. my sense is that's why so many people are speaking out. joining me now is another member of trump administration who is speaking out against his former boss former national security adviser, ambassador john bolton. i want to start the new york times has been reporting that former president trump was obsessed with these classified documents, and aides described these documents as this beautiful mind materials. is that consistent with what you saw when you were his national security adviser, and was there any one particular document that stuck out to you

that he is obsessed with? >> i think it was kind of a collector of things that he thought were of interest to him for some reason or another, like clippings, momentous, classified documents. and it was very disturbing. we could see in the course of meetings within intelligence briefings, decision meetings, that sometimes he likes to retain things, and it became the practice, just to make sure that we got them back, and as many cases as we could. obviously, we failed in many cases. but it was a pattern that was evident to me from my earliest days. >> did he ever ask you to hold on to a document that concern you? >> there were some that we did get a back. others, the most famous, to me, it demonstrates why i don't need to read the indictment or believe it's allegations are true, although i'm pretty confident they are. it was the famous tweet that he did after getting an overhead picture of a failed iranian missile launch, which was shown during intelligence briefings.

i didn't go back, and it was tweeted before the intelligence officials got back to their office. there is utterly no excuse for that. there's no conceivable reason for that except make him feel good to be able to do it. that's one example but it is typical of the mindset of trump. >> there are some scenes as we've seen in the indictment, in terms of the types of documents. and i want to ask, you back in 2018, you reportedly requested that the pentagon gave trump options for military strikes against iran. and similar intelligence recordings from 2021, trump was heard bragging about that. you haven't seen a document, of course. but how concerned are you about that type of information being out in public, a plan to strike iran? >> you asked for a lot of options for a lot of different things, that's one thing the national security advisor does. and so, that was true for a lot of countries. those were the kinds of documents prepared by the pentagon, sometimes by the intelligence community that we

took special pains not to let them get around very much. in some cases, the president goes over to the tank, the pentagon, to get the briefings. and it's pretty clear he doesn't take documents with him. one question here is how a lot of these documents may have come to his possession. and i think that is something that we should be concerned about. but there are -- i don't know what documents jack smith has listed in that indictment, but i do know the kinds of documents that we put before the president, as we should, to permit him to make decisions, consider his options and the consequences of his decisions. and they contain america's most secret information. >> you also know trump and you watched him, you were his national security adviser for a whole year. you wrote a book about it. >> 17 wonderful months -- >> 17 wonderful months, i'll approach on that. you know he has attention and allow for dictators. he's been vocal about it. are you concerned that he couldn't some of these documents to share them with people. >> it's hard to to read,

fortunately, you don't have to know what the motives are to get a conviction in this matter. but i think trump's attraction to authoritarian leaders had something to do and i'm not a shrink and i don't pretend to be but it had something to do with these were big guys vladimir putin xi jinping, they did not know what they want to do. and i think trump wanted to do what you want to do. >> i will ask you about the declassification of information. you have worked for four presidents, three of them before trump. i know you said there's any limitation to what a president can declassify. but in your experience, isn't there a typical process where there would be a record of it, presidents would typically, at least in my experience, want to have an intelligence assessment of what the impact would be. how did it work under the three presidents you worked for? >> if they had an idea they wanted something declassified, for which there are legitimate reasons, people can think back to the cuban missile crisis, they and security council showing question missile sites under construction. there is a good reason to do that. the president would say give me an assist assessment of what it

would do to, us the sources, methods, or whatever. we declassified this, and we gave them an answer back. trump couldn't care less about the bureaucracy. it was what he wanted to do. the key thing here people misunderstand that there are limitations on what the president could do. but once the president has made a decision, he has to make it manifest. in trump's case because he focuses only on himself, you've got a document in front of him, he says, i'm gonna take this and declassify it, not realizing that there are probably dozens of copies of that document, hard copies, electronic copies all over the government. and really what's classified is not the piece of paper or the electrons, it's the information. if you don't tell the rest of the government you have declassified something the government can become paralyzed. >> i'll ask you that also, because there's a difference between when a president is concerned about the impact of declassification which every president most president would have been except for print. trump went crazy on you, that's

my summary here -- and you think you of illegally releasing classified information in a book you wrote after you left the white house. i want you to take a listen to what he said and we'll talk on the other side. >> i will consider every conversation with me as president highly classified. so that would mean that if you wrote a book, and if the book is out, he's broken the law. and i would think he would have criminal problems. it is called criminal liability. that's a big thing. >> how does that sit with you now? >> well, this is an example of trump trying to weaponize his own department of justice against his political enemies. and what he failed to understand, what people in the white house counsel has failed to understand, what people at the justice department under his orders in both cases failed to understand -- >> including general bill barr -- >> correct, and his deputy. the book had gone through the standard prepublication view process. i can tell you an arduous for months where our national security council senior

director went through it line by line. her work has been described in an 18-page letter. her attorney filed in the court case trump brought he tried to stop the book being published he tried to prevent me from getting any revenue from it, and he tried to launch a criminal investigation. they put subpoenas out to my publisher and my book agent. now, the civil case was dropped later with a good and sufficient reason, because we would have had a discovery into what had happened in the trump justice department and white house if the case proceeded. and the criminal investigation went away because there was no basis -- >> doesn't it prove that he went so crazy after you, that he knew about the dangers of the sharing of classified information and you have the process worked? >> he also said i wish you had that clip. if he publishes the book after the election it's okay. well if it was classified in june of 2021 when the book was published, it would have been classified the wednesday after the tuesday in november when the election took place. he didn't want the book out, not because he thought there

was classified information in it, but because what he suspected i was gonna write about him. >> don't ask you a little bit about how a number of members of the republican party are defending donald trump. listen to what senator marco rubio told fox recently. >> even if you read the indictment, no or does it say, as a result, the national security of the united states was harmed in this way. okay? and you have to weigh that with an indictment that now is going to put our country in a deep already divided and polarized country, and it really dangerous place. >> he's on the senate intelligence committee. he stopped in the past about his concern about trump having access to national security information. why do you think he can't just say what you've said? >> well i have a lot of respect for marco rubio. i think the party as a whole is risking falling into the track of caesar-ism, that this leader gets deference, regardless of our political principles. and i think we have got to

follow our principles and let the consequences fall where there may. in this case, the reason, the mishandling of classified misinformation is serious because it puts at risk the sensitive pieces of information, making it more likely that a foreign adversary could get their hands on it. it's not enough to say well, the russians and the chinese don't have it. although we don't know that for sure. it increases the danger they could get it. that's why, the criminal statutes will coordinate for very proven reasons. >> before i let you go, there's an election coming up. if it is trump versus biden again, are you gonna support trump again? >> i did not support trump in 2020. i did support him in 2016, him and hillary clinton were a year ahead of me in law school. so, i knew them both. and i thought it was worth taking the risk on trump -- >> won about 24? >> i wrote the name of a conservative republican in maryland, and i will do the same in 2024, because neither election was a real

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wealthy and well connected, and another system for everyone else of course, there's plenty of evidence to support that. there is a two tiered justice system, like this recent city from syracuse university showing how white collar crimes are prosecuted at lower levels and other kinds of offenses which disproportionately affect poor more diverse communities. and you can see evidence of a two tiered justice system and the demographics of our prisons. according to the naacp black and hispanics collectively make up 56% of the -- but they represent 56% of the u.s. prison population. that is a two tiered justice system in desperate need of reform. but that's not what they're talking about. >> this looks like another example of a two tiered system of justice. it is completely a two tiered system of justice. >> this is a dual system of justice. >> it's a two tiered justice system to go after president trump. >> the justice is targeting him

and anyone who is supporting him next. >> it is just happening against republicans with a targeted focus on president trump. >> so, trump and his allies are attempting to co-opt the idea of a two tiered justice system, to essentially own the phrase, and order to push their baseless claim that trump is held to a different standard. now, in a sense, he has been held to a different standard, just not in the way they think, because trump has actually been treated more lenient plea. in most cases where individual willfully holds on to thousands of pages of the country's most sensitive documents, they typically don't get an opportunity to just give them back and get off free. but trump got that opportunity many times. he could have returned the documents immediately when the national archives first asked him for them. he didn't. when he finally decided to work with the archives, he could have returned everything. he didn't. he could have complied with the justice department's grandeur subpoena. he didn't. instead, according to the

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york times put it, taking and iran fist in a kid glove approach and the trial. there is of course the political sensitivities surrounding this entire case given he is the former president. but the argument from trump allies that he is the victim of an unfair to tiered justice system just doesn't match with how he has been treated. he was offered multiple off-ramps to avoid prosecution. it was his choice not to take them. nobody else received that kind of consideration. for anybody who wants to talk about a two tiered justice system out there, let's do it. there's a lot to talk about. but there is obviously a system for the powerful like trump, and then a system for everyone else. coming up next, my wide-reaching conversation with congressman adam schiff. i will get his sense of the timeline and the other key investigations into donald trump. and later, how one republican's reaction to trump's indictment should be the standard. but it's actually the exception. we're back after a quick break. ♪ ♪ ♪ get help reaching your goals with j.p. morgan

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donald trump and his allies about in the biden administration weaponizing the department of justice, especially in the days following trump's federal indictment. but maybe they have a different understanding of what weaponizing the doj actually means, because that sounds far more like a description of what trump himself has done, and what he promises to do if he returns to the white house. he's making no secret of it. trump has made clear he wants full control of the justice department. he wants to prosecute his political enemies, and he already has a plan to do just that. >> i will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the united states of america, joe biden. [applause] and that entire biden crime family -- >> we also know that when it comes to the doj trump has unfinished business.

between the 2020 election and january 6th we also saw how trump tried to bend the doj. he tried to install jeffrey clark as acting attorney general in his final days in office. and why he wanted to do that? because clark was actively trying to help trump overturn the 2020 election. he is the guy who pushed the doj to sent letters to officials in georgia and other states, asking them to avoid their election results. so, rest assured, if trump wins again jeffrey clark, or at least his ideas, will likely be back. in fact clark has already put forth a sketch legal argument, justifying trump's takeover at the doj. it recently wrote an article titled quote, the u.s. justice department is not independent. that's pretty straightforward. in other words, the plans for a trump-controlled doj are already out in the open. and trump has made clear he's got a list of political enemies with biden at the top. if anything that sounds like weaponizing the justice department, to me. >> joining me now is democratic

congressman adam schiff. he was an impeachment manager during trump's first impeachment, and served on the january 6th committee. he's also running for senate in california. i want to start where i ended there. it's pretty clear trump's goal should he become president again, is to have an attorney general pursuit political prosecutions under his direction. what could that look like? and what concerns you the most about that? >> well, it's terrifying. and first, jen, i could say, happy father's day to all my fathers out there, and including my own father -- thank you. you are right, this is a terrifying prospect. ever since watergate there has been a strong wall established between the white house and the justice department, where presidents don't weigh in on particular cases. they may set the general policy of the department to prioritize this or that kind of offense, but they don't use it to go after their enemies. donald trump did try to do that when he became president. in fact, i've introduced a bill

to protecting our democracy act designed to strengthen the independence of the justice department. but now, it's blatant. and now, and they are saying essentially, it's been a fringe theory among some large conservatives, they're central theme which is they want to use the justice department to go after their enemies. and if they were successful, the most dramatic step they could take towards converting our democracy into some kind of authoritarian government because that's what dictatorships to. >> and if there is an enemies list, you are probably on it. i'm sure you've thought about this. what could a trump doj due to make your life difficult? >> just the other day, trump said i should be in prison. and it's not the first time he's called for jailing me. you have to wonder, good president trump, unshackled by any president -- opposition, using the justice department to prosecute his

enemies. there's a lot of teams taking place in this country in the last several years that we would have never imagined possible. we thought we were exceptional in the sense that this isn't a problem of the united states of america. but since trump's election, that steady degradation of our institutions and, if he gets the chance again, you can't bet against how he would try to abuse the justice department. i would also say, i am glad to be on his enemies list. as franklin roosevelt said, there are times when you can judge a person by the enemies they make. and i think it is a threat. they don't like the work i did on the january 6th committee, or my work leading the first impeachment trial, to a bipartisan vote to convict. it's not gonna deter me -- i will say this, though, it is occupy the nations time when we have to focus on things like

homelessness and the high cost of housing. president biden is doing exactly what he should. those issues i am focused on. but these constant political attacks do soak up that time and attention of the public. hat time an>> your honor, that is a good phrase to guide others. there is new reporting, congressman, that trump had a strange obsession with these a boxes of classified information that are outlined in the indictment. but given his stated affection over the course of many years for dictators, how concerned are you that these documents were not just keepsakes, that he had other intentions of what you want to do with them? >> i'm deeply concerned, it's deeply concerning. both because he so deliberately took these documents that he had no right to take, that so many of them were classified in a way that if their disclosure were made to the wrong parties, it could threaten human sources, or it could threaten technical sources of intelligence

collection that we can our national security. but also, why does he have them? he took them for a reason. we simply don't know what that reasoning is except that at some point, he wanted to exploit them. and how that might be done, whether it was done politically, or whether it would be done to somehow monetize what these are worth, who knows? but certainly, it can't be for a good reason. >> the day of the arraignment, we saw a video of fake electors from nevada going to the grand jury investigating january 6th, an entirely different case, one you are intimately familiar with. as a former prosecutor, and as you watched that, what did that tell you about the timing of a charging decision, or how close we could be? >> you know, the burning end of these fake electors, some of whom apparently have been given immunity for their testimony, certainly signals progress in the investigation. what may be more telling about

what state the investigation is, bring in people like mike pence or mark meadows or others, like steve bannon, really the top of this scheme. the justice department moved to go after the footsoldiers who broke into the capitol and assaulted police officers. but they have taken a very long time to go after the organizers of this insurrection. but now, they apparently are, and this may signal that we are much more closer to the end of this investigation. and i hope that is true, because, you know, this case needs to be brought to a determination one way or another. >> you've been so close to this over the course of the last few years. as shocking as that conduct document, and the mar-a-lago indictment, do you think trump's role in january 6th is more serious. good and indictment outlining those details be more shocking? what's your expectation? >> the mar-a-lago indictment is pretty shocking just in terms of how premeditated trump's

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>> on the same day as donald trump's arraignment in federal court this week on 37 felony counts, republican congressman ken buck said something that should not be controversial at all. but what he said also kind of made my ears perk up given the current state of republican politics. here it is. >> would you feel comfortable with donald trump as president again? >> i would not feel comfortable with a convicted felon in the white house. after the trial, if he is convicted of these charges of mishandling this information, knowingly concealing his actions, i don't think, i certainly won't support a convicted felon for the white house. >> i certainly won't support a convicted felon for the white house -- so, if donald trump is convicted of felony charges under the espionage act, super

conservative republican ken buck will not support him. it sounds pretty reasonable, like i said, it shouldn't be all that controversial, right? it seems like a fairly little bar to meet for someone seeking the nation's highest office. but of course, it is notable when any republican, not named romney or liz cheney, is even that part. just look at trump's opponents for the nomination who seem to be having a much tougher time handling this question. for the most part, they are saying the indictment is political, and that they will probably pardon him if they are elected president and he's not. he would absolutely pardon trump and challenged every other candidate to say the same thing, create a litmus test. nikki haley said she would be inclined to pardon him too. desantis flew through some crazy word salad that basically indicated that he would grant trump clemency. i would say as a 20-year veteran of political communications, it's a heck of a pitch to voters. i know you really like that guy,

but if you pick me, i promise i will pardon him for all of his crimes. that's gonna look great on a public sticker. at the same time, a few candidates are taking a slightly tougher stance. trump former vice president mike pence said he could not defend the conduct that is alleged in jack smith's indictment. and senator scott said it's a, quote, serious case with serious allegations. but one candidate, one, former arkansas governor asa hutchison staking and even harder line. this week, after trump's arraignment, hutchinson made a pretty reasonable request of the republican national committee. he asked the leadership to amend a loyalty pledge that requires all candidates in order to get on the debate stage, a pledge they will support the eventual nominee. hutchinson basically asked the rnc to change the pledge, slightly meant it, so candidates won't have to promise to support a convicted felon. they won't have to support a convicted felon. he essentially asked that they implement that can buck rule of presidential politics.

but the rnc replied that they would not be amending that pledge to include a convicted felon carve out, no can buck rule for them. o can buck rule for tnow, this is surprisin trump's stronghold on the party, including the rnc and its leadership. the committee simply won't run the risk. they won't, they refuse to run the risk of upsetting, alienating trump, no matter how many indictments he ends up having to his name. and as surprising as that maybe, let's also be very clear about what disloyalty pledge is really and keeping it in the same format. the leadership of the republican party is willingly and preemptively binding itself to someone who could be a convicted felon before election day. it is forcing its candidates running for office to bend the knee to a potential convict before a single vote is cast by the american people. call me crazy but the can buck rule doesn't seem to unreasonable. for the republican national committee though, i guess it's simply too much to ask. coming up next, my conversation

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officially sworn in as the governor of maryland, a number of democrats and media outlets were already asking one big question. will he run for president? a little spoiler alert from our conversation. the answer according to him is no. at least for now. but i asked him about his life before politics and the issues facing his state in a wide-ranging interview at a foundation in baltimore. >> tell me a bit about where we are right now my family's journey changed here. we are in a place called the -- foundation, which is one of our largest foundations of the country that is exclusively devoted to children. it is also a place that my mother got her first job that gave her benefits after my dad died. >> when your mother got that job how did it change her life?

>> my mother came into the room, she literally had tears in her eyes. and she was telling us that she just got a job. i had no idea that what she was telling me was that our life was about to change because this was her first job that allowed her to work one job instead of multiple jobs. it's the first job that gave her a measure of reliable hours, to the work that she was doing. >> where do you think most people don't understand about what it takes to lift yourself up out of poverty. >> i think people think it's easy to just get out of it, and i think people think there's this ideas, people to just work harder. oftentimes the people we are speaking about particularly the people the hardworking for these are -- these people are in some cases working multiple jobs and still living at the poverty line. how hard are we asking them to work? >> part of the deal that you don't have anything to deal with, it was struck in washington, it will impact you and people and the state's work requirements for s.n.a.p. benefits for people ages 50 to

54. how concerned are you about those work requirements for that age group. >> i'm concerned. we are literally talking about people who already are burning so thin. and then, to now say we want you to continue to justify your impoverishment we want to continue making a more difficult and more challenging for you to do some of the basics for your children and your family that you are already not finding time for. >> gun violence and also gun restrictions have just become pretty politically-charged and another governor, desantis, you may have heard of him recently he made a comment, and i'm gonna paraphrase that you're more likely to get shot then get a good education in baltimore. what can you say about that? >> it should come and spend some time in baltimore. frankly he needs to worry about the fact that these guys are some of the large employers suing him. for him to use us as a punchline, or to use us as a talking point, it continues to show that we have these

so-called leaders -- and then tell people you are the only one who can solve it. -- what we're doing, we are actually putting together policies that are making people safer. what we are doing is doing things like making sure we can get these illegal guns out of our neighborhood the thing i would recommend to him is to come spent time here because you might learn a little something. >> the nra has been suing you over a recent bill -- >> i've seen tough enemies before my life. and i'm not scared of the gun lobby. >> there is a bit of a circus going on in the republican primary. nikki haley and tim scott had really been making this

argument out there that america hasn't had issues with systemic racism. -- you can try to sell me on your personal story of uplifting, and the fact that you overcame the odds. and then say but there were no odds. you can't have it both ways. before i let you go, i want to ask you about book bans a lot of focus has been on african american history and literature. why do you think this has become a passion project of some conservatives. >> people make the argument that we want to prevent our students from having this comfort or guilt because we don't want our student to be able to wrestle with these really difficult things and times when they are maturing as individuals. and difficult historical points. but the thing i realize and

that i want to speak out about is that's actually not true -- >> telling african american kids they should not understand their own power? >> because if you know your history, you know your power. the reason that i know that every single day i can stand in my own power, it's because i know my history. i'm humbled by the fact that i come from a long line of educators and activists and people who did not know me, but they fought for the hope of me. and by telling me that that history is not important, or by telling me that if you teach it

to me but it will be under investigation and that's what this is all about. i think we need to make bigotry expensive. if you are having a conference in the state that now finds book banning to be the highest of priorities for the chief executive of that state, bring your conference elsewhere. and i'm asking people, come to the state of maryland. i want to make sure that they're gonna be economic consequences. >> so organizations should lead with their values here? >> 100%. >> my thanks to governor wes moore for spending some time with me. coming up some very exciting news about guests on next week 's show i've been looking to talk to for a while. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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