>> so, we've never had at federally indicted former president before. we are in new territory now, that means we have no idea exactly what to expect tomorrow, when donald trump is scheduled to make his first court appearance in miami. we're gonna have special coverage tomorrow on msnbc, starting at ten a.m.. tomorrow evening, i will be back with you for a primetime special coverage, that is from eight pm to ten pm eastern. i will see you then. that's gonna do it for me for a few minutes, before i join the last word with lawrence o'donnell as well. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. i am so excited to be able to have you come over here. >> >> me too. >> and andrew weissmann is gonna be the first guest in the studio. he's actually on his way at the moment. so, we have to do that business.

that gives you enough time to make it all the way over to this studio, which is -- it's like a coin toss, in a way. [laughter] it's not a baseball. it's like a coin toss. >> i have time for one cocktail to be right back. >> but rachel, i have a couple of news things about what's gonna happen tomorrow. number one, you would really like this, donald trump rehearsed his plea on a boston radio show tonight. and we are gonna bring you that, what he is gonna say, when he is asked how he pleads. but there is this from the magistrate who's handling it tomorrow, who was the one who issued the first warrant in the first place, judge cannon doesn't come into it yet. and he is basically saying that he's just gonna live by the local rules of how what contains the media in these situations. he doesn't feel he is in a

position to change that for tomorrow. so what that means is he is gonna follow the local rule there in the federal court in miami that prohibits all forms of photographing, audio, or video recording, broadcasting, or televising within the environs of any place of holding court in the district, including court rooms, chambers, adjacent rooms, hallways, doorways, stairways, elevators, or offices of supporting personnel, or when the session is in recess. so, what that means is we will not have the video that we had in manhattan, where we saw no one held the door for donald trump. >> that hallway shot -- yeah. >> the hallway shot, when the police officers just let the

door go, see if the guy behind him. we won't know how much door holding there was for donald trump. >> but that also means that every correspondent, every reporter who's there, not that they can't broadcast, or they can't do anything from inside the courtroom, but also they can't step out of the courtroom and do their shot. everybody is gonna be running to go do that from outside, which is gonna be like the running of the interns at the supreme court. >> and it sounds like no tweeting during the session, but we will see. these things -- we will find out from andrew weissmann just how long this thing will be, how long we will have to go with no tweets from the courthouse. i don't know how many minutes i can take. >> i'll see you in a minute, lawrence. >> okay, thank you, rachel. thank you. at 6:38 pm tonight, on a right-wing trump supporting boston radio show, donald trump was asked the question the judge will ask him tomorrow -- >> how do you plead? are you gonna say anything beyond not guilty? are you going to make a statement in court tomorrow? >> no, i doubt it.

i'll just say, not guilty. did nothing wrong. >> what is most important on what donald trump said on the radio tonight, and this weekend, is what he did not say. he did not say that he has a right to do whatever he wants with classified documents, as he said a month ago on cnn, he did not say he has a right, as a former president, to possess and show classified documents to anyone he wants to. did not say that. he is not saying that anymore. that was donald trump's public defense. he actually thought that was a defense when he was last on cnn live in that town hall. that's the kind of defense that would guarantee donald trump being convicted. and so, in his first public comments since being indictment, donald trump has stopped offering any kind of defense. and instead, offers adjectives about the prosecution, including adjectives that he

does not understand. >> there is no criminality here. it's ridiculous. and these people, look, they are using it, its election interference. they are using it to get elected. they think that if they can damage somebody's reputation, they can do it. this is like stalinist, whatever. >> donald trump, obviously, has no idea what the adjective stalinist means, which is why he had to so abruptly end the sentence, when he used the word by just slamming whatever, in a period, right after the word stalinist. it is unlikely that donald trump knows what country stalin ruled or what joseph stalin's first name was. but now that donald trump has finally started to avoid talking about the evidence in the new federal indictment against him, he is gonna be reaching for rhetoric that he simply does not understand,

where he used to just throw out profoundly incriminating statements like claiming to have a right to show you a classified document at one of his golf resorts, for example. tonight, with his arraignment looming at three pm tomorrow afternoon, donald trump is a federal criminal defendant in search of a lawyer. the morning after news broke that donald trump was facing what we now know as a 38 count indictment, two lead lawyers representing him in that case say that they resigned, but trying to distinguish who resigns and who gets fired in trump world is not always easy. another trump criminal defense lawyer who resigned from what is now an espionage case on may 16th did his best to defend donald trump on this program, on wednesday night of last week, the night before the indictment was announced. now, that same lawyer says the indictment, quote, has a lot in

it, a lot of stuff i was not aware of. and this weekend, donald trump's last senate confirmed attorney general, william barr, who did everything he possibly could, to spin the mueller report in donald trump's favor, before any of us had a chance to read it, gave up trying to help donald trump, and said this about the indictment on fox. >> if even half of it is true, then he's toast. i mean, it's a pretty, it's a very detailed indictment. and it's very, very damning. and this idea of presenting trump as a victim here, a victim of a witch hunt, is ridiculous. yes, he's been a victim in the past. yes, his adversaries have obsessively pursued him with phony claims. and i did was on his side, to defend him. when he is a victim. but this is much different, he

is not a victim here. he's totally wrong that he had the right to have those documents. those documents are among the most sensitive secrets that the country has. they have to be in the custody of the archivist. he had no right to maintain them or retain them. and he kept them in a way, in mar-a-lago, anyone who really cares about national security, would return that. >> on the boston right-wing radio show tonight, donald trump explained bill barr's legal analysis of the indictment this way. >> look, bill barr is a weak coward. >> three hours earlier today, appearing on the radio show of convicted and pardoned felon roger stone, donald trump said, quote, bill barr was at mistake. by which he meant, donald trump made a mistake in choosing him as attorney general, even though during the presidential campaign, donald trump insisted that he always hires the best people. of course, donald trump couldn't bring himself to say, i made a mistake. he doesn't know how to form

that sentence. he could only phrase it as, bill barr is a mistake. and then, donald trump said this -- >> but bill barr, i think he is more weak than anything else. and now he goes, and he sits down, if they can find a chair for him, because it's not that easy. >> donald trump, the single most overweight former president of our lifetime, has decided to attack his former attorney general over his weight. fanatical trump supporters will no doubt find that funny, including fanatical trump supporters who weigh more than bill barr because fanatical trump supporters do not know how to do anything but worship every word donald trump says, even when he is indirectly, or directly, insulting them. but fanatical trump supporters to know that you can get arrested and sent to prison for a long time by being a little

too fanatical for donald trump. so, i am personally am expecting no violent fanaticism by trump supporters tomorrow, just like we saw no violent fanaticism by trump supporters the last time donald trump was arraigned as a criminal defendant in manhattan. the only experienced criminal defense lawyer, we know donald trump will have at aside tomorrow's todd blanche, a former federal prosecutor who has been representing donald trump as a criminal defendant in manhattan in the criminal case accusing donald trump of falsifying business records, paying hush money to porn star stormy daniels. that case already has a trial date of march 25th, 2024. the new york times is reporting that it was simply the luck of the draw, the random judicial selection process, that assigned jack smith federal invite indictment of trump, to the single most pro trump judge in america that we know about,

judge aileen mercedes cannon did everything she possibly could to try to block the justice department's investigation of donald trump's possession of government documents. but the circuit court of appeals rebuked her decisions saying that her rulings, quote, a radical reordering of our case law that would, quote, violate bedrock separation of powers, limitations, and quote, carve out an unprecedented exception in our law for former presidents. it will be up to the judge who tried to do all of that, who set a trial date for donald trump in the documents case, the espionage case, and to rule on pretrial motions, including motions to suppress evidence, motions to dismiss the case entirely. and judge cannon will be making rulings every day of the trial from the bench, which will once again include motions to dismiss that case, as well as a motion for a direct verdict, in which the judge can simply in effect find the defendant not guilty as soon as the

prosecution finishes presenting their case, without hearing a word from the defense. and of course, if donald trump is convicted in her courtroom, judge cannon will have the authority in sentencing donald trump, sending him home a free man, to possibly await trial and conviction. and so, in his other criminal cases, there are no mandatory minimum sentences in the charges that donald trump will be arraigned on tomorrow in federal court in miami. joining our discussion is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. he's a professor in practice at nyu law school. and also with us is neal katyal, former acting u.s. solicitor general, and professor at georgetown law. they are both msnbc legal analysts. and, andrew, it seems that the first effect we see in this indictment is that donald trump has stopped saying the very stupidest things he has said

about the evidence in the case. and now, he is just down to attacking jack smith. >> i'm really glad that you started about talking about the adjectives, because one of my pet peeves is the idea that people covered his adjectives and slander, as if it is news. it's not a fact. you know, there is no fact that he is alleged that in any way counter the charges. i think one of the things that i think jack smith did very skillfully in the charges is use his own words against him. so, when he was running in 2016 against hillary clinton, there is a whole section about all of his statements about his understanding and the importance of classified documents, and how careful you have to be, and how we are gonna enforce those laws. and it's really important to enforce those laws. so, donald trump, i think, is forced to see that his own words are coming back to haunt him. and that, obviously, would be a big part of the case, in the

same way in the e. jean carroll civil case where he was found liable for sexual assault. his own words were some of the best evidence for the government. >> and, neal, donald trump is not even saying, since he's been indicted, he is not saying, i declassified all of those documents. there's so many things that he was throwing out there to deal with the evidence in this case. i mean, i don't think he ever refuted the evidence in this case, but it was in his way, addressing the evidence in this case. all those statements have disappeared. nothing about -- on boston radio tonight, he didn't say anything about why he declassified all those stuff. >> yes, lawrence, true. but you know it's trump, the nonsense is gonna come back, 100% guaranteed. so, you know, today, the flavor is, you know just attack, attack, attack the character and the integrity of various people, including his own former attorney general. i do think this all, i

declassified in my mind, nonsense will come back. and today, what we really heard is this is election interference. you know, give me a break. first of all, you know, jack smith is not some democrat. and indeed, trump himself has said that the indictment would help him. so, you know, if anything, the election interference in another way. and more importantly, and this goes goes to a point andrew was making, remember, in 2016, it was donald trump who was talking about classified information, not in a vacuum, not because he abstractly believes in the importance of classified information being protected, he was doing it for one simple reason, to attack hillary clinton, to say she committed felonies, to say lock her up. i mean, that was after all, his campaign slogan. so, the idea that, you know, this is somehow election interference, you know, this guy himself was the one leading the charge back then on his own as a political candidate. it makes the whole thing preposterous.

it's a very different thing if a political candidate, joe biden, were saying, lock trump up or something. you know, that would be election interference. but here, it's the exact opposite. you have insulated special counsel, garland, who's the only political appointee in the chain here, had no involvement, not with this indictment, he didn't approve it or anything like it. that's the way the special counsel regulations were to be designed, independent nonpartisan prosecutor jack smith who brought this case, not some political hack, like donald trump in 2016. >> and in his appearance on fox, former attorney general barr defended merrick garland and jack smith's operation as attorney general and special counsel, explained it to the fox audience, not that that's gonna sink in. but, andrew, i imagine the part in the middle where bill barr was saying how donald trump was unfairly pursued in the past, and i defended him against that, in which he almost said the

word mueller, but didn't. i imagine that was a painful part to listen to. but the rest of what bill barr is saying is something, if anyone can get across to a fox audience, it will be bill barr. >> i have to say, the whole thing was very painful to listen to -- >> the whole thing, yeah. >> this is part of bill barr, sort of, now trying to sound reasonable, that it is true. but part of what he is saying is true and it's accurate. it's also useful, as you say, that it's coming from him, because you want somebody to basically be able to get through the people who are basically not listening to facts. so, if he can do that, great. the part that is hard is, you know he's not a great messenger in the sense that, you know, this is the bill barr that did so many things that were antithetical to the rule of law, with roger stone, with michael flynn, with regard to the mueller investigation. and that is just three things. we don't have time for all the

things that he did that i think caused so many career people at the justice department, because you remember, he resigned, which is really unheard of. yes, he is now taking a position where what he is saying about what happened here and his view of the charges is absolutely correct. >> neal, i'm not gonna corner you into saying that sentence, i know you didn't want to say, but you are forced to say on television earlier today. i agree with bill barr. it is on video. it's gonna be replayed forever. [laughter] i don't want to add to it. but bill barr is in that sort of chris christie role. chris christie is the political version of this, which is, you know, completely in favor of all the most horrendous things donald trump was up to, until it was no longer convenient for him, or until he saw there was another path for him. and this seems to be the bill barr situation. but, you know, what he is saying about this particular case is pretty accurate.

>> right, and i think, look, you can dismiss christie or minimize it, because kristie is after all arrival for donald trump in this. i don't think you can easily dismiss bill barr. and i'd like to take this opportunity, lawrence, to welcome bill barr back -- taking a step back to the reality based community that we all live in, maybe a small step admittedly. it's not a big one, given all the lies and nonsense he told before for several years. but it is an important one. look, i mean, the evidence, this indictment, i think all americans should read it. i think barr's takeaway is right, which you can't read this and be anything but horrified. these are obvious, serious felonies. i don't think it's a huge step of bravery for barr to admit that. it's like literally black and white on the page. but it's nice, you know, that he is acknowledging reality in this one instance. i don't think that rehabilitates bill barr or anything like that, but it just

goes to underscore the gravity these charges, any sane person reading this indictment who knows anything about the law, who knows anything about how classified information is to be held, can't come and conclude anything but donald trump intentionally committed these felonies. >> neal katyal and andrew weissmann, thank you both very much for starting off our discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and when we come back -- she's here somewhere. she might be behind one of these cameras, rachel maddow, she's gonna be here, right after this commercial break. rachel is next. ♪ ♪ ♪

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rachel maddow show on msnbc, you may have noticed that we often look for stories from history to help us make sense of what's happening now. so today, isaac is here with this story, this kind of historic antecedent for january 6th. in fact, just like our capitol attack, it is just called january 6th, the assault on the french parliament in 1934 is to this date simply known as february 6th, even almost 90 years later, which would suggest that if these events and their aftermath really are similar, they may be living with january 6th for a long time. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> which is reason enough for me to want to know if history can help here, if the real history of something that was

very much like our january 6th can help give us smarter expectations about what's likely gonna happen here next. so, welcome. it's good to have you here. this is "rachel maddow presents: deja news". >> joining us now, a familiar face, rachel maddow, she is the host of the new podcast, "rachel maddow presents: deja news", the first episode which you just heard a preview of is now available, and already, guess what number, audience, guess what number it is right now on apple podcast? it's been out almost a day, almost at a day, what number could it possibly be? one, number one. melissa ryerson, my boss, just told me that, number one on apple podcast. so, what i want to know, when did you know, or when did your parents know, that they were bringing up a daughter with a perfect podcast voice -- because it's a special thing. the podcast voice is this

special version of kind of an npr voice plus there's this kind of an extra wisdom note in it, and it's really a special thing. [laughter] >> i will check with my parents now to see if they have become aware of this. this might be the first time they are aware of it. i think lots of different voices work in podcasts. you know? >> but there is ideal, you know? well, we won't get into that. >> i will say, i think the secret sauce with "deja news" is in the logo, that little groundhog, and we never say anything about that, he's just there as a tacit metaphor for groundhog day, being a reminder. i feel like the groundhog is the whole explanation for our success. my voice has nothing to do with it. >> when i heard the title, "deja news", before i listened to it, and i loved all 33 minutes of it, i didn't want to know anything about it. it is the greatest way i can see that, is to know nothing about it, which is hard to do, hard to not know anything

about. but when this was slipped to me secretly by you over the weekend, i got it early, i got a 24 hours early. i thought deja news, oh, so is that like, oh, yeah, i remember that. we are going back to a thing, and it's better than that. it's so much better than that. it's taking things in the past that teach us something about our present, and you can be surprised how far in the past and how far away from right here they might be. >> but they still are enough of an allegory for what we're going through now, something an hour contemporary politics, for contemporary news, that they can help us see the dynamics at work, see the potential implications, see how long it might last and resonate. that's the thing that's really interesting to me. i like history. i think it's helpful for understanding, you know, the overall context of what we are going through. but i also think it can give us predictive assistance, in terms

of what's likely to happen next. this first episode, which is about something that is very much like january 6th, the shock to me was how it resonated for decades, and the people who were involved in it, who were on the side of the january 6th attackers, in this other instance, really helped write a fake history, a false history, a revisionist history of what happened, that they still celebrate, generations later, decades later, those people have come up with false histories about things. they do that for a reason. and if they stick with it long enough, they can convince all sorts of people that things went down the way they did not go down. >> so, much of this story is set in the 1930s. and i thought i knew something about it. by the way, i claim a knowledge of -- a knowledge level of about zero for most decades in american history, never mind in history's history.

but the 30s is one of the moments i thought i knew something about, mostly because of my study of franklin roosevelt, and what i always get in that is roosevelt and hitler are rising at the same time. and as soon as you hear the word hitler on the other side of the atlantic, there is no one else you pay attention to in the 1930s. you don't go, hey, what was going on in france? never mind, never mind. listen to this, listen to what hitler was doing. so, i have no idea -- >> yeah, you don't even pay attention to, like, mussolini, who's been in power for years before -- hitler kind of wanted to be like mussolini, but we forget about him in light of hitler. in france, one of the things about this attack on the parliament in 1934, february 6th, 1934 is very much likely attack on january 6th that we had here. they succeeded. they had a center left government that was taking power. there was a transfer of power happening.

the violent right-wing mob attacked the center of power, and actually did stop the transfer of power. and instead, they got professionals right wing government installed instead. it's as if january 6th succeeded. and then, i guess the medium length tale of that into the world war ii era is that when the nazis did invade france, they needed collaborators, they needed a right-wing pro fascist government, to take over and collaborate with the nazis, well, they picked all the guys who had been installed after their january 6th. >> so, all great movies, all great stories, the way you tell this has real suspense, real tension, it is scary. you feel like, oh, boy, really that stuff can happen. but what i came out with, and i'm not sure what the authors intent is, and by the way, i've never really sure that authors intent matters, what one takes out of it, it's our job, that's what we, the audience, do. what i took out of it was very, very positive. it was how france came to that kind of bring, right? and where they went after that.

and post-world war ii, how unified they were, this thing drifted into world war ii because of the people involved, who became basically the version of the french government that was cooperating with the nazi german occupiers. but looking from the churchill and there was about perspective, which by the way is the only way i've ever been looking at this, because of the bias, and the revisionist history focus on it, the vichy government, those people, you can never really take them seriously. and the history that we read, it's like, of course they're out of a job, and this is over. and >> the recovery which really, i think, would date from 1945, 1946, onward, was a very positive one, a very positive one. >> and in the immediate aftermath of their successful version of january six, when the center left government was blocked from taking power, they put in this pro fascist body and said, there was another really interesting reaction in

this sort of, just the first few years after that happened, which is that all of the people on the left, and all of the people in the center, who had all sorts of differences with each other, who are always fighting each other like cats and dogs, finally realized, oh, wait actually, there is an authoritarian fascist threat that wants to destroy all of us. let's put aside our differences, for a big anti-fascist coalition government, where everything else that we disagree on is less important than standing against fascism, and a standing for democracy. and they do. and that sense of perspective they got from that brush with democratic f is also, i think, something that resonates. i think it's something to think about in terms of what the effect is of rising authoritarian and professors movements in democracies around the world, including our own. >> yeah, and those people who rose up against them, have their counterparts in what was the republican party, you know, charlie sykes for example who appears on this network, who was a very strong conservative republican before trump came in. and he looked at that, and as

did many, many, many others, prominent republicans and say, oh, no, no, i can't be that. i have to oppose that, whatever i do, i have to oppose that. >> yes, and you can't make an analogy between the nazis and anybody, you can't really make an analogy, a direct one, between, you know, french fascists and other -- but you can see, when there is a shock, particularly a shock from the right, a shock from the right in these cases wants to undo the democratic system. if everybody else in the democratic system can recognize it as that, it can be a galvanizing, sort of, patriotic thing to rally behind. but save our country, save our democratic way of doing things, and get it for the sake of doing that, even if you wanna go back to fighting each other. >> and i was thinking, you couldn't possibly organize one of these things without twitter, and social media, all the details about how they did

organize this in french -- [laughter] >> how do you organize anything in france? >> yeah, how do you do anything in french? rachel, the podcast is fantastic. i know you are the last one. i am reading the rates, stephen spielberg is turning it into a movie, and toni kushner is working on the screenplay. this one, i have to see, it's not midnight yet. it will probably sell to hollywood before we hang up the phone here in this network. >> yeah -- >> so, rachel, mary trump is going to join us right after the commercial break. and a question for mary trump? >> lots. >> about how her uncle is feeling tonight? >> yeah, i will tell you in the break -- >> yeah, tell me in the break. and then i will ask her -- >> we're gonna be doing special coverage tomorrow, the, for our primetime special tomorrow. >> yes, right after i go to this commercial break, you're gonna tell me your mary trump question, and i'm gonna pose it to her. coming up, donald trump's niece mary trump will join us to do something she actually doesn't like to do, which is talk about her uncle.

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in this country had done something similar or even significantly less egregious that person would've been arrested, handcuffed, and imprisoned a very long time ago. and that person would very likely be spending the rest of their life in prison. it is all of a piece that -- let's see what it says here -- we lost that part of it in my script. it is all of a piece with what i have witnessed of donald and his peers are trajectory throughout the course of my life. joining us now is mary trump. criminal psychologist and niece of donald trump. she's host of the podcast the mary trump show and author of the reckoning, our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal. >> mary thank you very much for joining us tonight. a very eager to hear from you what you think your uncle is going through. and let's go to the beginning with rachel's question which is handwritten here, i do a close-up with a camera but man you would have trouble with

this penmanship. she did have to translate it for me. she wrote how afraid of jail, that's her question, how afraid of jail is your uncle? >> lawrence, it's a great question. the problem is as is often the case with donald is the extent to which he is able to grapple with those kinds of questions. i don't think that he allows himself to believe that's a possibility. it is literally beyond him to imagine a situation in which he would be held accountable to such a degree. that he would lose freedom. to the extent that he hasn't already lost his freedom but that's self-imposed. so if he could comprehend that that was a viable possibility he would be terrified in a way that he hasn't been. but as you and i have often discussed donald lives his life

in fear. he just does everything in his power to cover the fear over with anger most often. and sometimes that blend of arrogance and self aggrandizement that we often see him traffic in. >> i've noticed a shift in his public comments since he was indicted. he now just doesn't go near talking about the evidence like he used to saying oh yeah, i brought them there, they're mine. all these things that he said publicly about the documents he stopped saying anything about the documents. so when i look for signs of what he's feeling that looks to me like the current version of his fear. the current version of his fear is a better not saving about those documents. >> yeah he's incredibly good at

adapting to the current situation. if something isn't working he stopped doing it. he will push the envelope until it won't go any further. and then he will change tactics. unfortunately for us, for most of his life just throwing a temper tantrum and digging his heels in and refusing to acknowledge reality that's work for him because there is always somebody there or some and to be there to support him. he may have reached the end of that particular road and i believe -- down the road this may become something that don thinks is going to work for him again. because again, it's worked for decades now. i don't think we can discount the possibility that it will pivot to earlier strategies, but right now you are right. i think it's almost as if talking about the evidence is acknowledging the fact that the evidence which by the way is mostly his words and his actions that have been recorded and reported by the people or

what got him in trouble. >> let's look at someone he did say this weekend this messianic statement. and let's see if the control room can give donald trump just a fraction of this screen, he doesn't deserve all of it, for this thing he said about why he is doing this and who he is doing this for. >> in the end they're not coming after me they're coming after you. and i'm just standing in their way here i am i'm standing in their way. and i always will be. . i >> he has told enough people or appeal to enough people for them to believe that that's true. even though there's no evidence that he would put a hair out of place in order to save anybody from any kind of harm. what he is saying to them is that they are coming after him,

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and andrew weissmann joining our conversation. mary andrew has a question for you. >> so mary, i've got a ton of questions since the indictment came down about your uncle's motives and people trying to understand what he did what he did. or is accused of doing. i don't see, as he will talk about narcissism, whether it's each of these documents, that sort of retribution with respect to mark milley. but i'm interested in what you think in particular what you think might be more transactional from a sort of business perspective. not in an overt way but maybe a pay to play way because i was just read by a number of documents that were marked top secret that that with foreign countries and their military capabilities. i don't know donald trump, you do, i was wondering what you thought. >> first of all thank you for

the question it's thing to see you affiliate spent more time with you in the last week than anybody else. one of the important things to know about donald and about my family is that everything is transactional. we see it with his older daughter stepping away, changing her name. she knows that there is nothing for her to get out of this relationship anymore without potentially ruining her so-called brand. with the top secret documents one of the reasons i was so terribly disturbed about his having them we first discovered that he didn't he was glad to keep them for so long because of some miss guided deference to the office he used to hold is that i knew that there was a very real possibility that he was going to use them in the

way you suggest. everything in my family was about money. sorry the only currency, so to speak, in my family was money. it mattered more than love or loyalty or kindness or anything else. which is why we need to stop pretending that there are limits for donald trump. if you felt that it would benefit him in any way he would sell out anybody. so all the more reason why these indictments are so incredibly important and all the more reason why it's important for the doj to stake horse here. >> mary when he's trying to do golf business with the saudis and he's got documents down in the shower that they might like or they might want to know about or they might want to see you would expect no hesitation on donald trump's part? >> none. it's all of a piece. i think we need to look very closely and how is these things

are related. why did jerry kushner get two billion dollars from the saudi government for no reason having to do with his qualifications? why is donald suddenly hosting golf courses for this egregious organization liv golf. why is he suddenly benefiting from the pga's insanely despicable decision to partner with liv golf. we need to look at all of it because i think it's all related. >> mary have never been in a trump home anywhere so these photographs are kind of my first look and were you surprised at the level of mess and disorganization generally about the maintenance of this stuff?

>> no. donald has no respect for anything or anybody and it is once he feels that something belongs to him he will treat it however he wants to. and if that means storing it in the bathroom or the bathtub. as long as it's convenient for him. so i think as you mentioned at the beginning of my segment it just shows his utter contempt for american democracy the american people and most importantly our national security and the men and women who protect this country. >> mary trump i know from reading her latest piece that you don't like talking about your uncle and i appreciate that you accept the duty to do so. you are such an important window for us. into the way he thinks and your guidance has been invaluable to us. >> thank you really preceded it. >> mary trump and andrew

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