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good to be with you, i'm katy tur. we've got news what's happening in florida, joining me now is nbc chief white house correspondent peter alexander. a new atlantic partnership. talk to me about what came out of that meeting and how this was essentially a reset of relations between president biden and the prime minister. >> reporter: yeah, katy, i think you're exactly right. a couple of headlines out of this. two and two, as they described it. two questions from the american reporters and british reporters. where the two men fortified the relationship they share, the special relationship talking about the economic partnership to which you just referred and also about their shared investment, their commitment to go gg forward to the situation in ukraine right now. the president saying he is quote very optimistic about the evolving situation there, and rishi sunak, the british prime minister saying among other things that the u.s. and the uk
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are not going to be going anywhere. he says putin thinks he can wait us out. he said that is not possible. they spoke about that. they spoke about artificial intelligence, at the end of the news conference, i did pose a question to him rating now about the situation as it relates to former president trump. i asked him specifically how he's able to convince americans that they should trust the independence and fairness of the department of justice given his predecessor. former president trump has attacked his credibility, his integrity. he has never once as we have witnessed, he said, told the department of justice to do in any form or fashion, and he said, because i am honest. in fact, that's why you can trust me. the biggest take aways in the news conference. pride month is celebrated around the country. the president did speak in support, in backing of the gay
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and lesbian and transgender community, calling on congress to pass the equality act, which would incorporate protections of the lgbtq community into the civil rights act of 1964. katy. >> peter alexander at the white house for us, peter, thank you very much. and let us start with what we were talking about just there. what peter alexander asked the president just a moment ago on the indictment or potential indictment. florida, florida, florida, it's all about florida, except this time it isn't an election, it's a potential indictment. after months of watching washington, all of the attention has turned to miami. why? because what appeared to be an offshoot of the special counsel's investigation into classified documents appears to be the main event. one of the grand juries connected to jack smith's office is impanelled today, along with it some of smith's key
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prosecutors, including david harbach who our cameras caught going to lunch today, notably knot holding a subway sandwich. why south florida, will the case be tried there, donald trump's team would prefer it. if a potential prosecution is moved down there, why is jack smith still in washington. andrew weissmann is sharing with us venue and what a supreme court has to do with it. >> how exactly a prosecution would happen if it works. how would a jury without security clearance see the evidence. you got to imagine a scenario is being gamd out right now, and not just a theoretical one. nbc news has learned donald trump's leal team has been told that donald trump is not a witness but a target. joining me now is nbc justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian, in bedminster, new jersey, vaughn hillyard, and
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here with me, nbc news senior legal continue, laura jarrett. talk to me about what's happening down in florida? >> reporter: as you mentioned, we saw david harbach, a key figure in the special counsel's investigation, a manager that goes back to jack smith. we saw him walk into court today, and we believe he's involved with presenting information before the grand jury. obviously we don't know what's going on. that signals to us sa something important is happening here, and when you con combine with the other conversation, the meeting between trump's attorneys, and senior doj officials and the growing understanding that venue is becoming an issue. that's why we're all bleeding now that south florida has become the main event. that's why we're all here. >> let me ask you, laura, about
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target versus subject, versus witness. explain what the differences are there, and tell me, if you are a target of an investigation, how likely is it that you become indicted? >> so it's a lot of jargon. if you're a witness you simply saw something that happened. if you're a subject, you're somewhere in the gray zone. you're within the realm of prosecutors' interests. you don't really have reason to be concerned. if you're a target, it is a very serious thing to have a prosecutor tell your attorney they consider you to be a target together. it means prosecutors believe you may have committed a crime, they have evidence that may support that belief. have i ever had a client in defense practice who was told they were a target, no. the former president believes he committed no crimes. he hasn't been told he's been
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indicted, but as ken said, the science will there. the number one being that his attorneys went in to meet with the justice department prosecutors. that always comes at the end of the investigation, not in the middle, not at the beginning. it comes at the end. >> let me ask about you the end. earlier in the week, we were talking about a weekend, tell many if i'm wrong, and if so, why are we focused on d.c. when everything has moved to miami? it seems like it's quite a moving target. >> reporter: yeah, katy, i just think that we have not seen any evidence of that d.c. grand jury is meeting, and i think, you know, we do know from our reporting that it's been dormant for some time. it really does feel like there may have been a garble there, clearly witnesses are coming before the florida grand jury, and as andrew will explain,
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there are good reasons having to do with venue, and why prosecutors may be concerned about fiting this kay in washington, d.c., as opposed to here in south florida. >> south florida and a jury pool. i have been talking to folks surrounding donald trump, and they're orvel not-- obviously not looking forward. florida is a better venue, they think, than washington, d.c. >> i don't know that we can say that for sure. i can understand why just given the demographics. they might wish that that is true. but, you know, they're going to have through a wide voir dire process. should it actually go that far, and i don't think we can say anything about what the potential jury pool might be versus d.c. and florida. one thing we know is the judges in d.c. are very well versed in
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how you treat classified documents, and how they would have to go before a judge, and all the procedures associated with that. that's why we should see the defense department go the d.c. route. if you don't want to fight with trump about venue, you do the case in florida. that's where the documents were removed, that's where he hem them. >> i imagine you don't want to have that fight going into a presidential election cycle, going into a presidential election year. we're already in the cycle, don't you want to try to get this done as quickly as possible. you're not in a scenario that donald trump is on trial in may of next year. >> yes, does that mean it will go that smoothly for them? no. does it mean he will find ways to delay and file motions, which he is entitled to by the way, he'll do it. for them, why not give an easy lay up a fight over venue, when
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you can prosecutor the case in florida as well as you can in d.c. vaughn hillyard, you are in new jersey, tell us why. >> reporter: the activities we are aware of took place at mar-a-lago. over the course of the summer time, mar-a-lago is closed and he he moved to new jersey. he is here today, here as we speak, and there would be a question of ultimately what those proceedings would look like once the indictment would kol down. for donald trump, this is his political operation and defense center on the legal side of this. he's putting out a plethora of social media posts. latest this afternoon, making the allegation that one of the prosecutors on the special counsel's team supposedly bribd
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-- bribed a lawyer representing one of the witnesses. we have no evidence of the bribe taking place. donald trump has used it to suggest the entirety of the case be thrown ouchlt it is part of the deep state in another social media post, you promoted a clip from news back, in which the host suggests there are republican rivals like mike pence and chris christie should not be in the race, propping up the deep state working to undermine the maga movement. that's what bedminster has become. >> any conversations on how quickly he could get somewhere if he needs to go somewhere? >> let's see, we're about an hour and 15 minutes from new york city. i think the question is where exactly he would be going. i think that is an outstanding question. >> let's talk about the other january 6th investigation, the special counsel investigation that's for january 6th. steve bannon was subpoenaed and testified. >> that investigation we should
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know is a little bit -- >> he hasn't testified yet. >> he subpoenaed in late may, which is pretty late for a central player. with we need to investigation that, they want documents, testimony, we don't know if he will comply with it. he got in trouble last time for not complying, and wound up getting convicted, in relation to the congressional. hear what he has to say so he can't change his story later on. if they think he has exposure, that's something they could do if they wanted to. his attorney is not commenting on this. and the justice didn't isn't commenting on it. he's a tral player in the events of january 6th, in the war room at the willard hotel before everything took place. he knows quite a bit. >> laura jarrett, ken dilanian,
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vaughn hillyard. thank you very much. coming up andrew weissmann is here to explain why the special counsel may try a case in florida, not d.c. plus, the supreme court rules against the alabama gop. what the course is ordering the state to do. laura jarrett will join us for that in a moment. what california governor gavin newsom is trying to give back power in guns to the majority of americans. we are back in 60 seconds. we are back in 60 seconds. just ask my old friend, kevin. nothing like enjoying a cold one while watching the game. who's winning? no idea. real milk. real delicious. and don't forget to try some delicious, creamy lactaid ice cream. what's that mabel? (mooo) wow, smart cow! - this is our premium platinum coverage map
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here, which is the constitution of the united states requires that any criminal charge be brought in the district in which the crime happened. and that's sort of the general rule. now, some crimes happen in more than one district. and then the government gets to choose which district. so now let's apply that to what donald trump is probably going to get charged with. so if he were charged with illegally taking documents from the white house, that could happen in washington, d.c., but the much stronger charge is the illegal retention of documents and that happened in florida. and so that would be the natural place, and as your prior panel was talking about, if you brought it in d.c., there would be a lot of litigation about why is it properly there or not. with instruction, it's a kind of complicated issue because the law in florida is different than
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the law in d.c. as to instruction, florida allows you to bring the case either where the crime occurred or where the investigation that was obstructed is taking place. so if you were in florida, you could bring the case in washington or in florida. but in d.c., the prevailing case in d.c. is that you have to bring the case where the obstructive actions are occurring, not where the investigation is. so that would be florida. so it's a very complicated issue. now, i'm going to give you one more piece of data, which is that there is a pending supreme court case that was argued just a couple of months ago, but there's no decision on it. that case is dealing with what happens when the government gets
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it wrong. you bring the case in a district. the jury says you brought it in the wrong district, and that case is about whether that ends the case entirely. the government got it wrong, and they can't retry somebody, and it's unclear what the supreme court is going to do with that case. given that uncertainty, if you're the justice department, wouldn't you pick the more sure location where you know you have venues. you may not really want florida, but since that's a safe bet that all of the charges can be brought there, i think that would counsel a prudent prosecutor to go forward in florida, so that's my law lesson for the day. >> so i think i've asked you this before, and i think it's worth asking again. i know that when you're looking at jury pools, a d.c. jury pool on the face of it might be a more familiar, if not familiar, a more palatable, what's the term, a better jury pool for the
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prosecution than a florida jury pool, but if you're looking at it in the sense of donald trump's attacks on the case and on the trial and on potentially the jury, politically speaking, and i don't think you really can separate politics from this because of the world we live in. politically speaking, isn't it better to try and win a case like this in a place where donald trump has a lot of support in a very chaz become pretty red state. >> it is harder for donald trump to attack a case if it's brought in florida. he will do that, just to be clear. he will attack the prosecutors, the judge, there's no question from a political perspective. the main issue is that you want to make sure no wraert where the case is tried, that you have a bear jury. it is true that democrats will think it's better to be in a venue where there are more democrats, and republicans think it's better to be in a venue
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with more republicans. i've tried a lot of cases. i don't think that amounts to a hill of beans. they act out of principle, 99 times out of 100. people are acting out of principle, and when thebds they are going to take a case seriously, they do that. the one juror in the manafort trial, she said i am a maga republican, and i left my maga hat in my car, and that was just such a wonderful metaphor for, you know what, i told people i would act out of principle, and i did. and she voted to convict. >> it's refreshing to hear that. i don't think anyonements to hear jury pools are biassed one way or another. you're going to have people judge that based on the evidence presented, not anything else. i want to ask you about
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logistics here. if this does go to a trial, and you impanel or have a jury, who does not any security clearance, how do you try a case all about classified documents if the jury doesn't see the evidence? >> that's a question question. i'm not going to bore you with something called sefa, which allows government to deal with some of that issue. the main way you deal with that is you have to declassify the documents, and so what you're talking about is the state of the documents, and whether it was national defense information at the time that the alleged criminal acts occurred. not at a time that it's been presented to the jury. obviously the jury needs to see that, and they're not clear to see those. that's the typical process. you don't use currently
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classified documents, and it is a challenge for the government because in some ways it's very awkward because the most sensitive documents are the ones you don't want to yous them at trial. you don't want to declassify them. in order to have a fair trial where a jury gets to hear the case and decide the facts they get to see the evidence. that's why there's something called the cipa, to be able to try these cases and hold people accountable, so you can't just take classified documents and always win because the government can't call you. >> that would be a problem. andrew weissmann, thank you very much. i'm happy that i did not go to high school. appreciate it. and from miami -- not that i don't love it --
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some big news out of the supreme court today, in a 5-4 decision, the court ruled to up hold key protections by striking down republican gerrymandering
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in alabama. the state has to redraw the congressional maps, that civil rights groups successfully argued discriminated against black voters. back with me is nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett. this was a bit of a surprise. >> especially given that it was authored by chief justice john roberts who in the past has shown, how shall we say, hostility to the voting rights act in previous decisions. he's joined by justice kavanaugh in agreeing with the voting rights advocates that said one district the two showed on the map, cramming in the majority of black voters, impermissibly violated federal law. they could have had two districts, instead they had one, and by doing one, even if it wasn't intentionally created to exclude voters out of the process, it had a discriminatory impact. and that violated the law.
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>> was this just so egregious. we have been talking about gerrymander, and the supreme court didn't get involved in the wisconsin maps, they didn't. why was this one one where chief justice roberts says this is a bridge too far? >> i think partly the lower coat was careful in its analysis. it issued an opinion. it's over 200 pages. went through pain staking detail, heard from experts, and i think it was on its face, a clear cut case. it doesn't mean the voting rights ask is safe for all time. there could be other situations they want to chip away at. in this case they decided alabama had gone too far, and i think that the implications are clear that this is not just about alabama. it's about other states going into 2024 that are looking at its own maps. >> we could see every state redraw their own maps?
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>> every state has to comply with the voegd act. the court is upholding its presence tent, it's a court that has overturned its president with recently memory, that's why it's a surprise. there was a time doing this would not have been a surprise, given the law is so clear, and congress made it clear how it wants the court to interpret this. >> laura jarrett, thank you so much for sticking around, we appreciate it. since congress cannot and will not pass registration restricting access to guns, and since the supreme court has repeatedly upheld easy access to guns, the state of california is trying another route. governor gavin newsom is proposing a new amendment to the u.s. constitution. in an exclusive interview, the governor told jacob soboroff, so what did he say?
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>> reporter: the governor is understandably extremely frustrated with the fact that every week, this year alone, there's been a mass shooting in the united states of america, and absent any action by the united states congress he's proposing something that could very well, should it come to pass, be historic, the 28th amendment to be passed by constitutional convention, what the specifics of amendment are, the details that are important. take a look. why a constitutional amendment, and why now? >> well, why now is pretty self-evident. >> to be clear, you're not abole second amendment. >> that is an existential crisis. >> reporter: california governor gavin newsom is proposing something never done before on gun control, having the states
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pass a resolution on guns that would implement measures nationwide, raise the minimum age from buying a firearm to 21. mandate personal background checks. require a reasonable waiting period for gun purchases and ban the sale of assault rifles to individuals. he'll need 2/3 of a state cotrigger an amendment, and 3/4 would have to vote yes for the amendment to pass. >> more than half of the legislatures are controlled by republicans. >> reporter: most americans are in favor of there's measures. there's not a parent out there, one percent, you included that doesn't think about these things when you send your kids to school. >> you know what the critics are going to say about thrks -- about this. california has the strictest gun law, and 18 people were killed since the first part of may. >> the gun rate today is 73%
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lower than texas. these federal judges want to turn america into texas. we cannot let that happen. >> reporter: the 19th amendment that gave women the right to vote. it took 40 years or. so do you think that the 28th amendment, if it's passed will happen in your lifetime? >> i hope so. if we don't start, it will never happen. >> reporter: what i think is worth reemphasizing what gavin newsom is trying to do has never been done before. passed by congress, not a constitutional convention of states, ratifying an amendment. his first order of business is getting state legislatures on board. he doesn't have anyone standing shoulder to shoulder, with him yet. he's going to target republicans first. their constituents are the ones that want this. there's overwhelming bipartisan support for this commons gun reform movement here. >> i understand the desire, but how does he get republican
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legislatures to introduce something like this? how does he get them on board? >> it was my question too, and his argument is these are the constituents of the republican legislatures. if he can go out and make a big enough deal, and by the way, he's doing this through his pac, not the governor's office, which led people to think this was a prelude to a presidential run. he wants to make enough noise in the states where the political pressure is great nuch, their jobs could be in jeopardy if they don't do what their constituents want. you have to wait and see. >> i assume you asked about a presidential run. what did he say? >> he said he has no interest. he was categorical. i was surprised to hear that, especially with this infrastructure set up, it's obvious he's running a national campaign. it could be perceived to be
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president biden is sending help to canada, ordering all available fire fighting assets to help contain those wildfires that are sending a blanket of ash and toxic smoke over the united states. after erasing the skyline of new york yesterday, just gone, the cloud is now choking washington, d.c., scranton, and baltimore. more than 120 million people in this country as far south as alabama and as far west as st. louis are under air quality alerts. and even though the skies above new york, pennsylvania, and maryland look better today, the air quality is still
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historically bad. i'm going to read slowly because bill karins is literally running to the monitor right now, but joining me, there he is, is nbc news meteorologist bill karins. that was a good sprint my friend. >> i had to get my steps in. that was perfect. it's easier to breathe, too, than yesterday if i had done that, by the way. the air quality has improved at least briefly here in the new york city area. so here's where we stand right now. we've hit the peak of this event. the fires are still there. we'll talk more about that in a second. as far as the air quality goes, the areas of red, that's where it's kind of in the dangerous, unhealthy for everyone category, and we're really focusing and kind of on the mid atlantic region for the most part. that's where the worst of it was yesterday, and it has sunk to the south. as we watch washington, d.c. here, air has improved a little bit from this morning. that's when it's at its highest level. they have peaked. it looks like areas around harrisburg peaked, same with pennsylvania. we're watching the air quality go down in a few spots, though,
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detroit, chicago, because the plume of smoke from quebec, it's still producing smoke. the wind direction has changed, now blowing towards lake ontario, and heading towards lake michigan. that's where we're going to talk about in the days ahead. shouldn't be as bad as what we saw of course yesterday in new york. new york is at 160. yesterday got to about 300. it's about only half of what it was. that's why people are taking their mask off, getting into a better range. syracuse at 400. your air is five times better. here's the smoke forecast, as we go throughout this evening, we have areas of smoke from d.c. to philadelphia. i'm sure the sunset will be obscured. the air is going to look great, clear, the smoke plume is blowing into areas of michigan, coming down through pennsylvania to d.c. you're going to have that haze with you all day, even until probably saturday morning, and you notice at times, the smoke
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plume will shift directions, saturday morning into the buffalo area, it will not be as bad as what we have been dealing with, the thick, huge plume we had yesterday. until the fires get distinguished, we're going to be dealing with them. right now, there are 430 active fires in canada, 235 of them are what they say out of control, 0 percent contained and that's 4.3 million acres that have been burned to date. here's all the fires located in quebec. we needed rain. a remote area, it's hard for firefighters to get out there and put that out. this is the rainfall forecast. it brings an inch, inch and a half over the area. over seven days, that's not enough to put the fires out. this story is not over with. i don't think it will ever get as bad as what we saw yesterday and this morning. we're not done until we can get the fires distinguished. >> it was awful here yesterday. bill karins, thank you very much. joining us now is pulmonologist, vin gupta, doctor, how dangerous was it to be outside breathing that air
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yesterday. how dangerous is it still currently if it says unhealthy in the range. to be outside breathing the air today? katy, thank you for the question. an air quality index above 100 is dangerous. though it's better in new york, it's not the time to still go outside and take a run or go outside without a mask. there's a fundamental misunderstanding here that if you have asthma or if you have an underlying heart condition that somehow you're the only individual at risk from air pollution exposure. an aqi above 100. go to airnow.gov to track it. it's dangerous, and could pose a risk to any of us, especially expectant moms and children. we need to be mindful here. our team has a graphic of diy ways to keep yourself safe. a lot of these have been talked about in the last 24 hours. this, especially katy, in light of the fact that 2030, we're expecting an increase in
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wildfires by 20%. preparedness is everything here. real focus areas on improving indoor air quality. you can do it with box fans, and merv 13 filters, you can buy them fairly cheaply online. hepa filters if you don't have ac. set your ac to recirculate, close to fresh intake. that's one way. make sure your filter has been replaced on your ac unit or buy a hepa filter. put them in your bedroom, that's where you're going to spend the most amount of time at home, that's the key here and masks. >> we don't seem to have that graphic. it's not just new york city, we're looking at washington, d.c., scranton, st. louis, baltimore, and it's 120 million people across this country that shall dealing with it, and correct me or tell me, did i hear you right, if it's an air quality index above 100, it's
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not so great to be outside. >> that's right. so bill was just saying, 160 in new york, you're not in the clear, if you're watching this in new york city. 100 is the threshold, below which, 50 to 100 is moderate air quality, not great, but frankly we live in moderate air quality often, but don't talk about it. 100 and below, take your mask off and go outside, recess can occur for kids, above 100, need to be careful. >> i heard the surgical mask does nothing, you need n 95 or better. kn95 or better. but n95 ideally, slightly tighter fit. if you're going to be out there, workers who by definition of their job have to be outside, if you can afford it, get the n 100 masks, industrial grade masks meant to eliminate the fine particles from fire smoke, from
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entering your mouth in the first place. for those that have to be outside in light of the air quality. i'll say, we don't talk enough about the ways in which wildfire smoke can impact us. it's the 6th leading cause of death worldwide. that was not the case just 15 years ago. it was the 15th leading cause of death worldwide. there was some folks looking to get likes on twitter, suggesting that somehow air pollution is not injurious to human health. air quality is the 6th lead cause of death worldwide. you inhale it, you can't cough it back out. the particles launch deep in the crevasses of the lungs. go to your bloodstream, your brain, your heart, we know that air pollution is directly correlated, like high exposures of it, heart attacks and strokes. this is no joke, something to take seriously, and it's real. >> dr. vin gupta, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. and coming up next, ukraine just launched its
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extortion charges. he completed less than half of his 28-year prison sentence in peru for the killing of another woman in 2010 before this transfer. military sources say ukraine's long-awaited counter offensive has officially begun. ukraine is looking to reclaim territory that russia has occupied since last february. at the same time, their military is still conducting a mass evacuation and rescue mission to get hundreds of thousands of ukrainians to safety from rising flood waters. joining me is raf sanchez. what does it look like out there? what does the counteroffensive look like? >> reporter: well, a senior ukrainian officer and a soldier near the front lines here in zaporizhzhia says after months of planning, months of training,
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house republicans were ready to vote on hosting fbi director christopher wray in contempt of congress, but last-minute agreement between the fbi and house oversight committee chairman james co-her put that on hold. all members were allowed to look at a redacted document chairman comer claims contains allegations about biden and his family. after viewing the document, some republicans on the committee
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agreed. joining me is capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. there's a lot of allegations in this document. can you walk me through it? >> it is to a certain degree frustrating, because we can't see the document. we have two groups of republicans and democrats on the house oversight committee who have been given the opportunity to look at a redacted version of the document in a secure location and come out with dramatically different impressions as to what that document says. here's just a sampling of what some of the republicans who saw the document told us today. >> no doubt in my mind that joe biden is guilty of describe ri, 100%. >> reporting to this point has always been that joe biden denies any knowledge of what hunter and his brother jim have been doing. according to the document, we have both read, that is a lie. joe biden absolutely knows and
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has been engaged in this throughout the entirety of his corruption scheme. >> so what democrats who have viewed the document say is that this piece of information which is a document in which the fbi talked to a human source who's said to have information about this investigation, it was more or less just a tip in the process of this investigation. they even contend that the attorney general william barr and his justice department decided not to take the investigation any further. now, there have been some reports there was some bit of a dispute within the justice department as to whether or not that's exactly true. so there is a lot of back and forth around this, but i do think the one thing we know for sure is this is only one piece of evidence. the other supporting facts behind the information that would allow to support this claim are not in this one piece of information, but again, the house is just beginning their investigation. >> so yesterday we talked about something else going on in the
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house, which is all legislation has basically stopped going to the floor over a right in the rules committee, which had a vote on a rule. speaker mccarthy responded to it. >> this is the difficulty. some of these members, they don't know what to ask for. >> what's he talking about? >> i mean, this is the conservative faction of the republican party, that group that prevented kevin mccarthy from easily becoming speaker. they're upset with the debt deal. they're going to do everything they can to make his life miserable as a result, including holding up procedural matters on messaging bills that are never going to become law. not a big problem now, but a big problem when the budget process begins. ai begins ♪♪

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