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governor. woke, woke, woke, woke. >> plus, stand by for breaking news in the trump investigations involving his final white house chief of staff, mark meadows. also tonight, growing calls for justice following the killing of aj owens, a florida mother of four who was shot to death as she defended her children last friday night. and we begin tonight with breaking news. "the new york times" is reporting that mark meadows, former chief of staff, has testified before the federal grand jury hearing evidence in special counsel jack smith's investigations. it's not clear when he testified or which part of the investigation he was asked about. this is a significant development. quoting from the times, meadows was around for pivotal moments leading up to and after the 2020 election, as trump plotted to stay in office and thwart joe biden from being sworn in to succeed him. some of them were described in hundreds of text messages that meadows turned over to the house

select committee. that investigated the january 6th attack at the capitol before he decided to stop cooperating. those texts served as a road map for house investigators but meadows also has insight into efforts by the national archives to retrieve roughly two dozen boxes of presidential material. officials had been told trump took with him when he left the white house in january 2021. meadows was one of trump's representatives to the archives, and he had some role in trying to discuss the matter with trump, according to two people briefed on the matter. this development comes as we're learning new details about the classified documents case and how another grand jury in florida is also hearing from witnesses. "the new york times" reports there are indications that the washington grand jury may have stopped hearing witness testimony in recent weeks. according to three people familiar with its workings. as for the florida grand jury,

which began hearing evidence last month, only a handful of witnesses have testified before it or are scheduled to appear. at least one witness has already testified there, and another is set to testify on wednesday. the times also reports that among those who have appeared before the d.c. grand jury in the past few months, or have been subpoenaed by it are more than 20 members of trump's secret service, security detail. earlier today, nbc news exclusively caught a special counsel on video for the first time, who unsurprisingly, remained tight lipped. >> is an indictment coming soon, sir? is an investigation wrapping up, sir? >> trump in the meantime is doing the complete opposite. lashing out on his fake twitter social media site, calling the investigation election interference and even referring to the doj and the fbi as marxists and fascists.

while on capitol hill, his cronies are once again lining up to do the former president's legal bidding at taxpayer expense. today, house judiciary committee chairman jim jordan sent a letter to attorney general merrick garland demanding an unredacted copy of the memorandum outlining the scope of mr. smith's probes regarding president trump and any supporting documentation relating to his appointment as special counsel. this is all coming to a head, right, as the 2024 campaign is getting under way. and while in any normal universe a potential federal indictment would be the nail in the coffin for a presidential candidate, for trump, it's causing republican lawmakers to double down on their support. which should come as nosurprise considering they didn't flinch during his two impeachments, a capitol insurrection, his arrest in new york for paying off a porn star and being liable for sexual abuse. republicans are standing by their man, even as more and more candidates are jumping into the republican race. tomorrow, former vp mike pence

who trump's followers of january 6th wanted to hang, is expected to announce his bid for the white house, and chris christie will officially launch his presidential campaign in which he appears to be the only republican candidate who is actually willing to take on the twice impeached found liable for sexual abuse former president. >> donald trump made us smaller. by dividing us even further. pitting one group against another, different groups pitted against different groups every day. and by definition, making those groups smaller. >> joining me now is george conway, conservative lawyer and "washington post" contributing columnist. welcome to the show. good to have you here, mr. conway. abc news is reporting now that mark meadows answered questions about both potential jack smith cases. election interference and

classified documents. your thoughts. >> that's very, very significant, and if he's cooperating with mr. smith and the justice department and the fbi, that's a very bad sign for donald trump. particularly in the january 6th investigation, where he was really the gate keeper in keeping with respect to communications to trump, where people were trying to get through to trump. you have to say something, mr. president, you have to say something. he was the guy who was basically opening and closing the door and talking to trump, including, and he was the one who got i think ivanka to come down and talk to her father. he was basically grand central station that day. and if there's anyone who could shed light on trump's state of mind, what he did, what he didn't do, it's mark meadows. that's a very -- that's got to be a very disturbing thing for donald trump. >> yesterday, we learned of this other grand jury. there's a florida grand jury now, there's a washington grand jury. the washington grand jury is going to reup on wednesday and

hear witnesses. do you have any sense as, you know, given your background as a prosecutor, given all of the things you have heard, of whether or not you can tell whether the jack smith process has a more ripe sort of conclusion in the documents case or in the january 6th case? because the meadows testimony suggests to me that that part of it actually isn't dead, and i think a lot of people had been focusing just on documents. >> i'm going to disclaim being a prosecutor. i did some white collar defense in my time. but i think it's pretty clear that the documents investigation is approaching the end. you can just feel it by the number of leaks that are occurring. what happens in these investigations is that defense lawyers share information because my guy went to the grand jury, he wants to know with before he goes in what your guy said. so i'm talking to you as fellow lawyers, and they all share information and it all gets passed around, and when you

reach the late stages of a very large investigation like this, there are lots and lots of people who know basically what has been told to the grand jury and to the fbi and the prosecutors outside the grand jury, and they know this, and they're free to talk about it. unlike the prosecutors or the grand jurors themselves. so that's why we see a lot of these leaks coming out, and the fact that trump's lawyers went in there yesterday, went into the justice department to meet with presumably jack smith and maybe the head of the criminal division, i don't know who, but that shows you that they are near the end of the line. and when you think about the timing of it, if you want to try a case before -- you want to bring a case before the election season starts, and you certainly want to try it before the election actually happens, your best shot at doing that is to bring that case now, in the next few weeks. >> james comey said that trump could be wearing an ankle bracelet while he's accepting

the republican convention. >> absolutely right. >> the idea of this running into -- i mean, so the fact that you do have this florida grand jury and the washington grand jury, there is this from "the new york times," they said that there are two possibilities that are suggested by the fact of these two grand juries. one is that the investigation in washington is complete and prosecutors are now poised to make a decision about bringing charges there while still weighing other potential indictments in florida. the other is that mr. smith has decided florida is the proper venue for any charges he might bring in the case and has moved the entire grand jury proceeding there. and sort of the theory of the case is that the alleged crime, at least the documents part, took place at lado youave a sen those seems more real? >> i wouldn't hazard a guess. the fact is the sixth amendment requires that criminal defendants be tried before juries from the state and the district in which the crime is committed. and so that's an interesting question. for trump, an interesting question because he did a lot of

obstruction in florida, but obstruction was directed at people in washington. and so it could be that they decided that the low risk route is to bring the case in florida or to bifurcate it, which is what they did with the manafort situation. a case in the eastern district across the river, and a case here in the district of columbia, or it could be that maintenance person at mar-a-lago went into the fbi's field office in miami and lied his butt off, and they want to bring some stand-alone charges. we don't know. we don't actually know. we won't know until we actually see these indictments how they pleaded the indictments and how, what position they're taking on venue. >> mark meadows figures in one of the more recent revelations about donald trump's handling or mishandling of those classified documents. he's at bedminster in new jersey, and he's giving an interview. this is regarding mark meadows' book. he's waving a piece of paper

saying this proves mark milley is a liar, this proves general milley is a liar. could it be that the interviews, and we don't know when they took place. we know they're about both, are because mark meadows is considered a wince, or is he in any way potentially in any legal trouble himself? because he did participate as you said in january 6th. >> i think he has some exposure, potentially, for january 6th, because he was participating in these -- i think he participated in the raffensperger call if i remember correctly. he was passing on directions to people to do things on behalf of trump, such as i think he may have had some volvement in the fake electors. i don't remember from all the hearings from last summer. i think he may have some exposure there, which means he does have an incentive to cooperate there. i don't know whether he has exposure in the documents case. if you're going to cooperate with the government, you have to cooperate all the way. >> and he can't do what he did with the january 6th committee, which was refuse to cooperate.

just reminded what cassidy hutchinson said. she was trying on january 6th to get mark meadows to do something, to get mark meadows to act. he seemed like sort of catatonic. and saying, well, donald trump doesn't want to do anything. he seems to been the ultimate on the rudy giuliani scale. the fact he's cooperating could mean maybe he doesn't want to go to jail. >> this guy was a weather vein. he was telling people, he was telling people what they wanted to hear. he was telling some people, he was telling, he'll calm down. he'll settle down and accept the results of the election. other people, he was saying we'll fight this to the very end. he's not a strong-willed character, which means i just don't think he's the type who is going to want to, as you point out, go to jail for donald trump. >> let me ask you a political question. you now have a number of candidates jumping in, one, ron desantis, has essentially said i would pardon him. >> you didn't think that was

churchillian? >> so robotic and weird. >> fight the woke on the beaches, fight them in the air. somebody wrote that speech for him. he clearly thinks it's genius. it's dumb. you also have chris christie, who seems to be a human cannonball. he's like, i'm going to take donald trump out. >> i'm for that. >> but what do you make of the fact that you still have not had any of these candidates, including mike pence, who would have been the victim of a hanging on that day, say definitively, donald trump is not qualified to be president of the united states, based on his own actions and multiple impeachments and an indictment. >> no other word for it but cowardice. and it's funny, with pence, pence has zero chance of being elected president. >> zero. >> his best chance of becoming president was by virtue of the 25th amendment back in january of 2021. >> which he refused to do. >> he should own the fact he did the right thing on january 6th,

although he's responsible for allowing it to happen in the weeks before. i just don't understand. it's just cowardice on behalf of all of these candidates. and they have to realize that they have to suck it up if they want to safe their party, they have to get rid of donald trump, because lindsey graham was right several years ago. >> he was. he's a loon, i think he said. >> that's the one thing i have to say about christie. he gets that and he's going to go out. i think what christie has to do is not just attack trump, but get under his skin so trump does stupid things, stupider things. >> for those who don't want donald trump to be president, probably the most efficacious way to do that is have it come down to christie versus trump. >> somebody has to get under his skin, i think these indictments will help. >> you don't think it's ron desantis. >> desantis can't even mention the man's name. >> george conway, great to meet you in person. thank you for being here. >> up next on "the reidout," california governor gavin newsom

slams the aforementioned ron desantis as a small, pathetic man, while threatening to charge him with kidnapping over his latest craven political stunt involving migrants. "the reidout" continues after this. fight the woke, woke woke woke woke.

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entertainment. it's not about virtue signaling. it's not about kind of the show. >> leadership at the end of the day is not about entertainment. it's not about building a brand. it's not about virtue signaling. it's about producing results. >> uh-huh. for someone who loves to gripe about virtue signaling, florida governor ron desantis sure is good at it. yesterday, a plane carrying migrants arrived in sacramento, and according to california officials, the transportation was arranged by the state of florida. and mr. desantis, or is it desantis? according to the l.a. times over the weekend, another flight with more than a dozen migrants from south america arrived in sacramento from new mexico. where they had been bussed from el paso, texas. these individuals were carrying documents that indicated that their trip was arranged by the florida division of emergency

management system, the same private contractor that flew 50 migrants to martha's vineyard when desantis' -- when desantis first debuted this little stunt. just like the migrants in martha's vineyard, they were lured onto the plane with false promises of jobs and housing. mind you, florida has no border with mexico, new mexico, texas, or california. and these migrants were nowhere near florida. so it sure looks like desantis is virtue signaling republicans that he too is obsessed with undocumented migration. california attorney general rob bobonta told the l.a. times they completely exploited, abused and manipulating these folks who are vulnerable and were hoping and dreaming of a job and told they would be helped finding that job, only to be abandoned. governor gavin newsom went further, tweeting, ron desantis, you small, pathetic man.

this isn't martha's vineyard. kidnapping charges? here's the reality, desantis is using human beings to capitalize on purely performative immigration politics. and since he brought it up, i wanted to take the opportunity to note that since the end of title 42, border crossings under president joe biden have gone down 70%. just last month, desantis signed a law that boosts his migrant relocation program, expands requirements for e-verify, and required citizenship questions for medical treatment. the bill also punishes anyone who transports an undocumented person across state lines. if they are found breaking the law, they face stiff fines and up to 15 years in prison. the fun irony here is florida businesses heavily rely on migrant labor, and his bill has created a chilling effect, causing workers and their families to flee the state. leaving abandoned fields, empty construction sites, and truck

drivers calling for boycotts. it also prompted a state-wide protest dubbed, a day without immigrants, with people walking off the job to march and chant against the law. on monday, three republican state representatives who voted for the law, appeared at an event in hialeah where they told attendees in english and spanish that the bill is supposed to scare you. they then begged florida's labor force to not leave the state, claiming that the law has no teeth. so wait, florida republicans. you're saying the draconian immigration bill you passed for desantis' presidential pr was supposed to be nothing more than virtue signaling? joining me is tom kennedy, spokesperson for the florida immigrant coalition. let's talk about that. this bill has now been called merely a toothless scare tactic

by these three representatives from hialeah. actually, i used to live in hialeah for a short time. it's very heavily latino. they were trying to convince latinos, tell your friends not to leave the state. the bill is actually more than that. is it just virtue signaling or is this bill really dangerous? >> that's the most disgusting part about what this representative said, joy. the bill has real-life implications for people. and they're actually putting people in danger by pretending otherwise. they're just lying and spinning because of the heavy community backlash they're facing. this bill would mandate e-verify for companies that hire more than 25 people. it actually mandates that health care providers and emergency rooms that accept medicaid dollars ask the immigration status of patients. it prohibits local funding for community a.d.s because in florida if you're an undocumented person, you cannot

get any form of a state id or driver's license. it makes it a third degree felony to traverse state lines with an undocumented person. that's for u.s. residents and u.s. citizens, by the way. and it becomes a second degree felony if we're talking about a minor. even if that minor is your child or your family member. and there's so many other provisions. this is a huge bill with huge implications. and you heard it on the video. their intent is to dissuade people from coming into florida by making their lives a living hell. it's cruel, it's inhumane and not in the spirit of florida. we're supposed to be a welcoming community. >> the video is posted on my social media. i apologize, i didn't play the video. the representatives, these three local representatives, they start arguing that the bill, that people should convince their family members and friends to stay. so what you now have are republicans admitting that this

bill was a huge mistake. but yet, defending the existence of the bill and defending ron desantis and defending donald trump and saying they're the greatest governor and president in history. is that argument going to work with latino voters in florida who are feeling the effects of this bill, if not on themselves, on their businesses or on family members? >> look, the worst part of this all is they were warned about the implications of this bill. they were warned on committee. they were warned in private meetings with them. they were warned on the floor, both in the senate and the house. about how this would impact construction, how it would impact the agriculture sector, ha pistality sector, which is so important in florida, and they disregarded it because it serves the political ambitions of the governor who is running for president and he has to posture as the most anti-immigrant

candidate. what i can tell you is what immigrants in the state need is, they need relief. and something that could be done at the federal level is for the biden administration to grant temporary protected status to different diasporas that are in this -- in the state vulnerable to the anti-immigrant policies. folks like nicaraguans, guatemalans, salvadorians. we need relief because we're under extreme attack by an out of control state government. >> and meanwhile, what desantis is doing is paying a private company to go into texas, grab migrants, and fly them to other states, to blue states. first massachusetts, now to california. there is reporting out tonight, tell me in my ear who reported it. palm beach post, that desantis today during one of his campaign stops claims that the migrants who were snatched and flown to california for which the governor of california is saying

it's kidnapping, and that he should be charged with kidnapping, that they, quote, volunteered to get on these flights. that's his new excuse. these people volunteered to get on these flights, and again, they didn't fly from florida. they're snatching them from texas and flying them to california. your thoughts. >> these are people that have just undergone the most traumatic experience in their lives. you know, and they're told, you know, to get into these planes. you know, without giving -- without being given proper context. and we can't trust florida officials, right? so we need a proper investigation. the worst part about the situation or not the worst part, one of the worst parts is the level of grift involved. it came out during the original migrant flights to martha's vineyard that the contractors they were using donated exclusively to republican campaigns, including larry

keefe, who is one of the architects in the desantis administration of this program. so there's a level of self-dealing here with our tax dollars. i'm a florida taxpayer myself. and i don't want my tax dollars going into this. i want it going to addressing the property insurance and market crisis here, skyrocketing housing costs, the chronic flooding we see, public transportation, but instead, again, it all comes back to the fact that the governor is running for president, and again, needs to posture as the most anti-immigrant candidate there is. >> and it's ironic that they would pass a law making it a felony to transport immigrants across state lines when the governor is literally transporting immigrants across state lines. maybe he should be investigated for breaking his own law, and maybe spend 15 years thinking about it. thomas kennedy, thank you very much. much appreciated. coming up, still more questions than answers about the deadly shooting of a black mother of four in florida.

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the n-word. slaves. other profanity. b-words, you name it. this was not the first incident. this has happened numerous times. >> that was the mother of aj owens, who along with family and friends is demanding the arrest of the white neighbor who shot and killed her daughter. apparently over a dispute involving the victim's children. the shooting occurred in ocala, florida, this past friday night, with very few answers coming from marion county sheriff billy woods, who has since framed the incident as a longtime neighborhood feud. this characterization of a feud has been picked up by the media, of course. but as is often the case, all is much more to the story. and according to friends and witnesses, the sheriff's framing is inaccurate. the case puts stand your ground laws back in the spotlight as investigators determine whether florida's shoot first law

applies to a case involving a black woman ringing a doorbell and getting shot through a closed door. four days since owens' death, the shooter's identity has not yet been released. aj owens was the mother of four children who you see here. isaac, age 12. israel, age 9, africa, age 7, and titus, who is just 3 years old. joining me now is someone who knew these children and who witnessed the aftermath of the shooting, phyllis wills and her son kingston. they are neighbors of aj owens. thank you both for being here and phyllis, i really appreciate you being here. so i want to start just by asking you where you live in proximity to where this took place and in proximity to the shooter. >> i live right across the street from the shooter. i could literally walk out the

door and her apartment is right there. >> this field where the kids were playing is in between your home and where the shooter lives, is that correct? >> the field is across the street from my home. our apartment is directly across the street from my home. so the field -- >> go on. >> we live in an apartment complex. so the field is in between her home and another quadraplex. >> you were able to see the aftermath of what happened. could you hear what happened as well? >> i did not hear what happened. i was serving dinner to my kids. her son where have on video, banged on my door really loud. i was like what in the world. he banged so loud. i opened the door, and he was

gasping for air. he's like, please, somebody help me. call 911. high mom's been shot. as soon as he told me his mother was shot, i already knew who shot her, because i mean, there would be only one person out here that's been just so nasty to everybody. >> tell me about that. >> the lady is just not all there in the head. she's really nasty to the children. she's really nasty. she throws racial slurs to the kids. she, you know, she tells them if they don't get off the property -- she told my daughter she's going to be raped. she said a lot of nasty stuff. she's called them retarded. you know, she's done all types of stuff. we made numerous police reports on this lady about her and the way she talks to our children. and nothing has been done. >> and were you surprised given

the fact that as you said she has managed to bully the children before, that she was not arrested and charged? >> i'm very surprised. i'm really more hurt than anything. >> do you trust the sheriff in this town? >> i do not trust him at all. >> why? >> because he, you know, he could have already made an arrest. if it was the other way around, she would have already been in jail. >> and do you mind if i ask kingston a question, would that be okay? >> go ahead. >> so kingten, how are you, cutie? >> i'm doing good. >> i understand that you are best friends with isaac. is he your good friend? >> yeah. >> i understand that he was a hero, that he tried to call 911, and he was very heroic that day. did you ever experience the lady

that your mom is talking about being mean to you and your friends? >> yes. >> what kind of stuff did she do? >> she would always come outside and like tell us to get off her property. and she would just cuss at us and flick us off. >> and mom, let me ask you this question. you know, there is this story about her talking about her property. does she own the apartment complex? >> none of us own anything. we lease. >> so she's a renter. >> the field where the kids play, they play on the other side of the field. the field is so big, they play on the whole other side that's not even close to her apartment. she just intentionally would come out every time she would see the children out, she would intentionally come out her door to antagonize the children every

single time. she would come out toward the kids. she would record them. she would cuss at them, call them names. she would sit in her truck and turn her radio really loud so that they would not want to hear it and annoy them. she would beep her horn. she would lay on her horn in her truck for a long period of time to try to startle the kids. you know, at one point, she showed my daughter, the children were out there in the field, and she waved a gun at them, for them to get out. she's done so many things, so many things to these kids. >> wow. let me ask you one last question, and i want to ask a question about aj. did you know her well, and what was she like? >> she was amazing. she was amazing. she was a great mother to her kids. she always went to work and came straight home to her kids. when she came outside with her children, she would throw a football with not only her kids but all of the kids.

she encouraged my son to sign up for football. and i couldn't take him because i'm working, so she went and signed him up herself and took him to football practice and all that stuff. she's amazing. >> and what do you want to see happen next? >> i want justice. i want to see this lady in jail. she's a monster. >> well, i appreciate you coming. we all here appreciate you coming down and telling us what you saw and know. last question, have the police interviewed you? >> briefly, but not really. i maybe got one or two questions. and that was it. like, even the night that she passed away, they never, you know, they never came around interviewing anybody. you know, i don't know. it's just not right. >> well, i will note that the legacy of stand your ground in

this country, and i will quote from the guardian, the legacy of stand your ground is this wild west mentality that everything can be resolved with guns, said a law professor. kenneth nun said all you have to say is i was in fear for my life and no charges will be brought. i think police officers believe that too and are not arresting people for shooting folks. it happened to ralph yarl, shot through a door, and it's now happened to aj owens. it is unjust and we're going to keep following this story. phyllis wills and kingston, my friend, thank you very much for being here. we appreciate you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. all right, still ahead, a stunning about face rocks the world of professional golf as the pga tour jumps into bed with the saudi-backed liv tour, giving the saudis almost total control over an entire sport.

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jamal khashoggi that the cia concluded was coordinated by crown prince muhammad been salmon. the kingdom is a sponsor of formula one auto racing, owns a soccer team, and has lured some of the most popular soccer stars to play for saudi teams. how would you feel if i told you all that but substituted iran or libya or saudi arabia? and besides the bone sawing of an american resident over seas there are also the unavoidable allegations of saudi government tied to the september 11th terror attacks. 15 of had 19 hijackers were saudi nationals. the 9/11 families unequivocally >> appear to have become just more pages saudi chills, taking billions of dollars to cleanse the saudi reputation. so that americans and the world will forget how the kingdom spent their billions of dollars

before 9/11. to find terrorism, spread there vitriolic hatred of americans, and finance al-qaeda and the murder of our loved ones. make no mistake, we will never forget. joining me now is dave zirin, sports editor for the nation, and host of edge of sports tv, which debuts tomorrow night. congratulations on that, dave. let's talk about this. senator chris murphy had a tweet today that said, so we are, pga officials were in my office just months ago, talking about how the saudis human rights record should disqualify them from having a stake in a major american sport. i guess maybe their concerns weren't really about human rights? i guess money's real pretty. your thoughts? >> look. we should never be surprised, joy, when repugnant organizations run by repugnant people do repugnant things. the pga tour is an organization that is built on a foundation of nostalgia for the dixie south and atlanta expropriation. these are not good people.

this is not a slight against the game of golf. just that they are minors are roughly to the right of genghis khan. they've dressed themselves up in this patriotic bunting, to say support the pga, and not the evil saudis of the live tour. they've been talking this up. the thing that's so remarkable about this is not that they sold out to the tune of billions of dollars, because that's what people like this do. but shocking, to me, and why this day, i think we live in infamy as a pivot point in this conversation about sports washing, is because the pga had one. the pga tour was kicking liv golf tours behind. the liv tour was becoming a toxic asset. best known for being associated with donald trump and frankly, half asked tournaments. and paying off golfers nine figures to play poorly overseas. with little to no fan interest. the pga tour had this one this competition. liv golf had only been around a year. they were already at this point where they can say okay, we can

either fold our tent, or we can write the largest check in the history of golf and by off the sport. if we have willing participants on the other side. the pga tour folks, they were only too willing to take that check. >> it's like an episode of succession, right? where it's like, you know, what if we don't want to do it. we don't want to do it. money? we're gonna do it. you mentioned donald trump, donald trump in the pga ahead also shoved him out. his golf courses off of the pga tour's. now he can come right back. he's already in bed with the saudis. >> absolutely. what's also disturbing about this is that this -- the actions of today have made trump look prescient. he said a year ago, to the pga golfers, what are you doing? liv it's going to own everything eventually anyway. it was basically this very cynical trumpist comment. he said you might as well take the money, because morality, out the window. it's basically the entire trumpist philosophy about not just saudi arabia, but all of foreign policy. tied up in his opinion that liv

might as well control golf. heck, saudi arabia might as well control all of sports. because all that matters is getting paid. and anybody who isn't getting paid is by definition, a sucker. today trump looks prescient, instead of looking like this guy minding this toxic decaying asset known as liv golf. i have to tell you, when i think about the conservative minded people who are on the pga tour, one really does wonder, given that this actually does give some political wind towards donald trump as the person who saw this coming. >> it's interesting that, you know, you've got people on the right who were very incensed about what dana hice or bush's doing -- it makes bud light commercials. but they don't mind this. the saudis have a lot of public investments in things that people think of as american. uber, google, alphabet, amazon, black box, jpmorgan chase, mega, microsoft, paypal, starbucks, walmart. electric arts, take two interactive. they've been involved in funding twitter. they are all over the u.s..

they used to own a big chunk of fox. they are the second largest shareholder in twitter. it's emo, elon musk and them. at this point, have we just surrendered our outrage over 9/11 and said, you know what, the people who are likely behind that, they are good as long as they pay? >> that's what's passing as morality. 2023, united states, in a society and in a country that is dealing with serious decay. whether it's infrastructure, whether it's the question of hope. decay surrounds us. and this idea,, well we might as well get paid while we are falling down. while we are careening down the hill. far too often passes for a political morality in our country right now. i think though, joy, everything you just said is an upper teeth for what's to come. expect saudi arabia to make a serious, and in my view, successful play to host the world cup and the olympics back to back in the 2030's as part

of a broader push to use sports. this is what we call sports washing. to protect its shelf internationally as one of the leading countries in the world that should be respected. the cost we will pay for that, when that final, when the contract is signed, i think it's going to be something we suffer with for years to come. >> it was just 2000 people who died in a fiery inferno. and jody got bone saad. what's that compared to hundreds of billions of dollars? it's gross. it's gross. it's disgusting. dave zirin, thank you very much. appreciate you. we'll be right back. bring what up? kayak? - excuse me? do the research, todd. - listen to me. kayak searches hundreds of travel sites to find you great deals on flights, cars and hotels. - they're lying to you. - who's they? kayak? - arr! - open your eyes! - compare hundreds of travel sites at once. kayak. search one and done.

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