the senate. nbc news capitol hill correspondent. thank you ali vitale, for your time and wisdom. that is our show for tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. and now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. and yes, it is the fastest slow version i've ever seen of the united states senate on one of these things. the key to just how fast this was gonna sail through the senate, and how wired it was is the motion to proceed to the bill, which on almost everything in the senate now, requires 60 votes -- >> 60 votes. >> you know how many votes it got? 100, because they basically did it by unanimous consent. unanimous consent is how everything used to go to the floor, you know, like, 30 years ago, and certainly before the trump era and the mcconnell era. so, that moment earlier tonight, when they just went, unanimous consent meant that every single

senator who made the slightest noise about getting in the way of this bill was not really serious about getting in the way of this bill. some of them to have points they really need to make and everyone understands that. and that's why they are being accommodated in this fashion tonight. but all of them want to race out of that building and get to the airport at this point tomorrow morning as soon as they can. >> yes, it's a question of is it a concern about the u.s. default that is making them putting the pep and the steps, or is it just the problem of losing their weekend? only time will tell. i have ideas. >> well, they always actually strategically try to back these kind of votes against a weekend or an important recess -- >> smart. >> so it's always a combination of those two texts. >> lawrence, there's a special joy in your voice when you talk about procedural details of the u.s. congress. >> it's the only thing i know about. so, i have to -- >> it's true, but it's your special thing, my friend. >> thank you, alex. >> have a great show. >> thank you. when you watch donald trump and sean hannity together as they

were tonight in iowa just in this last hour, you are seeing two men who each think he is smarter than the other. and one of them is right. sean hannity proved exactly that in his texts to donald trump last white house chief of staff mark meadows, and congressman jim jordan that were revealed by the january 6th committee, when sean hannity desperately texted mark meadows telling him that donald trump should, quote, ask people to peacefully leave the capitol. on january 6th. leading up to january 6th, sean hannity knew that lawyers in the white house and the justice department or threatening to quit on new years eve, sean hannity texted mark meadows saying we can't lose the entire white house counsel's office. i do not see january 6th happening the way he is being told. after the sixth, he should announce he will lead

nationwide effort to reform voting integrity, go to florida, and watch joe mess of daily. stay engaged. when he speaks, people will listen. the dominion successful lawsuit against fox revealed texts by sean hannity, proving that sean hannity knew that donald trump was lying about the presidential election being stolen, and then trump supporting guests invited to spread those lies on fox were lying every time they appeared on fox. sean hannity did not ask donald trump about any of those things tonight in iowa, where donald trump will face at least six republican challengers for the republican presidential nomination, including mike pence. our first guest tonight says, quote, they are the in case of emergency brake glass cohort. if trump winds up on the path to prison, and republicans must win scrounge for a last-minute replacement, they are hoping that voters see them as solid substitutes. >> every republican running for

president not named trump is actually running on the hope that donald trump will be indicted repeatedly this year and at least two different cases being pursued by doj special prosecutor jack smith and the fraud case that has already been investigated by a special grand jury in fulton county, georgia. the other republican candidates are all, as charles blow puts it, waiting for legal lightning to strike for trump to become politically incapacitated but trump will fight to the last breath, maybe not because he wants to be president again, but because he wants to hedge against becoming a prisoner. all the republican challengers are governed by ambition, but trump is now governed by a more powerful force, panic. that panic was on full display tonight on that friendly stage in iowa when sean hannity asked this question. >> there is the special counsel that's appointed, and news broke yesterday that there might be a tape recording, quote, where you acknowledged that you understood that these were classified documents. first of all, do you know who

this call maybe with? do you know anything -- >> i don't know anything about it. all i know is everything i did was right. we have the presidential records act which i abided by 100%. >> and then, donald trump went on for a full five minutes of completely irrelevant rambling comment, lying about joe biden, changing the subject to vladimir putin, changing the subject to tariffs, and lying about tariffs, and never ever came close to breathing a word in response to sean hannity's question about the audiotape that was revealed and the news reports yesterday about trump talking about a classified document involving military

issues with iran at his golf club in new jersey the year after he was president, donald trump expresses his terror and panic with those infallible flurries of words that run as far away from the subject he was asked as possible, as quickly as possible. at the end of donald trump's five-minute panic run away from sean hannity's perfectly reasonable question, sean hannity of course, as if on orders from trump, changed the subject, this time, to abortion, never to return again to anything about the multiple criminal investigations and current criminal prosecution of donald trump. it has been two months since donald trump appeared on fox with sean hannity. the last time sean hannity tried to be donald trump's tv criminal defense lawyer, sean hannity discovered, as trump's criminal defense lawyers have discovered, that it is impossible to be donald trump's criminal defense lawyer. >> i don't even believe the question.

>> i can't imagine you ever say bring me some of the boxes that i borrowed back from the white house, i'd like to look at them. did you do that? >> i don't have the right to do that. there is nothing wrong with it. >> i don't think he would do it. >> i don't have a lot of time, but i would have the right to do that. i would do that -- >> let me move on -- >> remember this, this is the presidential records act. i have the right to take stuff. >> there is donald trump

incriminating himself, and there's sean hannity saying, let me move on, which he did, as soon as donald trump finished incriminating himself on that interview. tonight, there was a very awkward moment for sean hannity and donald trump on the stage, when sean hannity said this -- >> does anyone agree with me that this guy is cognitively not there? >> of course, sean hannity was not talking about donald trump, but that was not at all clear to that silent audience who already had declared themselves to all be trump supporters. leading off our discussion tonight is charles blow, columnist for the new york times, and msnbc political analyst. also with us andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel, and former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. and andrew, let's get through

the legal points on this interview first of which there are basically zero because sean hannity asked the right question, donald trump ran away from it like it was a house on fire there. let me get your reaction to that. and then, also, that rerun we did the last time sean hannity tried to help donald trump on the documents question. >> so, donald trump, while he really is a master communicator from a political perspective and there is no denying his ability to snow a large percentage of the american public, he is really not good doing that when he is in a sort of legal jam. a really good example of that is that e. jean carroll case where some of the very worse evidence came from donald trump 's own mouth during the under oath deposition where he had to answer questions and did so quite poorly. and sean hannity, you know, in the clips you played, is clearly trying to lead him to the right thing to say that donald trump thinks he knows

better. and, you know, that's going to get him in trouble and it series of cases that he is facing when it is not gonna be a question about money, which is what he's used to for decades, it's gonna be a question of his liberty interests, and all of his inconsistent stories and fabricating of which this is the latest example are really not gonna help him because they are all usable but prosecutors and they can be played to a jury. and i am confident they will be. >> can i just stop you there for one second, i understand

how they can be played to a jury if donald trump is a witness. i understand that admissibility route there. what is the admissibility in a trial when donald trump doesn't take the witness stand, donald trump saying something on television on video? >> the rule is that the admissions -- under the rules of evidence, independent statements regardless of the context, in terms of whether it is in the courtroom, whether it is on tv, whether it is in a deposition, can be used by the other side. it is just admission by the party opponent, so the rules of evidence allowed that, even if donald trump says i am not going to testify. of course, it is a criminal defendant, everyone needs to understand he is absolutely no obligation at all to testify, and the jury would be told that

it cannot be used against him in a criminal case. that is the reason it can come into evidence. >> charles blow, i want to read a passage that you wrote, that we saw i think on full display tonight in iowa. you said trump allows his supporters to feel and express their full range of motion. he entertains them. he channels that rage. he reflects their oppressive urges. he's an oracle of their self perceived victimhood and their model of a warning against a government and culture that they feel are turning on them. charles, it certainly is not anything in the substance of what he is saying about governing in that united states that gets those people excited in iowa tonight? >> absolutely not. i think we should be clear about that this was not a town hall as fox had advertised it,

this was a conversation between friends in front of fans. and when you understand it that way, it had no kind of journalistic value in the sense that what was happening on the stage was not being conducted in a journalistic framework. he may have made news, in fact, i think he did. but it was not because fox was applying any sorts of standards. you know, hannity starts off by saying that i am not going to challenge donald trump. i'm not gonna do what cnn did, and try to make him answer for anything if he said something that is not true. trump starts off when his first response is about the competency of joe biden, which he says, i called sean, called him shaun, and told sean not to make jokes about it. and i think after that, he didn't. that, for me, through the entire thing of. there is no way for me to know that he didn't also call sean and go over what questions could be answered and could not be answered and to go over the content of that very first question. that, for me, through off the notion that i don't have the questions they were when, had not also been pre-screened by donald trump and his camp because these are friends in front of fans. so, what he is doing is exciting, as you just read that passage from my piece, he is playing to all their emotions. and, you get caught in this blizzard of lies and fabrications and exaggerations, and you have no concept of whether or not he is saying is true.

all you know is how he makes you feel. >> one of the fascinating points about that, in iowa, in particular, charles, the whole kind of rift on tariffs. there was a couple of passages on it. and of course, tariffs on chinese goods brought to the united states are paid in the united states by us. we, the americans, who consume the chinese goods, are paying the tariffs. they are sales tax on things we bought from china. donald trump always described those tariffs as something china pays to the united states treasurer, and of course, we are paying them to the united states treasury. he then says he took that money from china, which it wasn't, and gave it to iowa farmers. and everyone in that audience, possibly none of whom are actually farmers, because they

actually know the truth of this. they all clapped as if any of that actually happened, as he described it. it did not, not one benefit happened as he described. >> it makes no sense but again he is playing to their feelings but let's go a step further in what he said about iowa farmers. not only did he say he gave the money to them, he then said, and then i told my people that there is no way we are going to lose iowa because i gave them this money which underscores how transactional donald trump sees politics. he believes that taken by you. he believes that literally, it is i put my name on the trump check that it is a refund, and they will support me. that is what he believes. he does not believe that he asked of actual policies that make sense, to stand up to scrutiny. what he believes he can do is he can either play to your emotions or he can literally

pay you off. you know, that may work in a business environment. but that should never work in a political framework. >> charles blow, thank you very much for leading off our discussion tonight. andrew weizmann, we have more to discuss on later segments about defendant trump. coming up, new reporting saying it's gotten so bad for donald trump's criminal defense lawyers that some of them agreed to what they called a murder suicide pact. andrew weissmann and neal katyal will join us next. ♪ ♪ ♪

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indicates that donald trump has a new favorite criminal defense lawyer while the rest of his criminal defense lawyers have joined what they call a murder suicide pact. todd blanche is the granular defense hired specifically to defend donald trump in the case where he is already a defendant in manhattan accused of falsifying business records to deliver hush money payments to stormy daniels in the closing weeks of the 2016 presidential election. and now, todd blanche has suddenly joined the criminal defense lawyers who will defend donald trump against possible criminal charges filed by special prosecutor jack smith for trump's possession of government documents, including classified documents, and for possible crimes committed by donald trump leading up to and on january 6th, with donald trump's attempts to overturn

the presidential election. bloomberg is reporting tonight, blanche's role expanded since he was hired in april after trump's indictment in new york, according to two people who requested anonymity to discuss the dynamics. he is now also working with the attorneys managing trump's response to justice department special counsel jack smith inquiries into the handling of classified documents and efforts to overturn the 2020 election, the people said. todd blanche has expanded duties after attorney tim parlatore very publicly quit the trump criminal defense team in the documents case. >> there is one individual who works for him, boris epstein, who had really done everything he could to try to block us to prevent us from doing what we could to defend the president. >> a law school graduate who has never tried any case in court, and would never be hired by any president or former president not named trump. he is the reason, according to the guardian, for the lawyers murder suicide pact.

the guardian reports in one instance, a clash has became so acute that some of the lawyers agreed to a so-called murder suicide pact where if parlatore got fired, others would resign in solidarity. and as some lawyers tried to exclude epstein, they withheld information from the council who they suspected might brief him. as we reported last night, that trump criminal defense team has to figure out how to deal with another audiotape of donald trump, where he appears to confess to federal crimes. the new york times reporting, quote, federal prosecutors investigating former president donald j trump's handling of classified material have a recording of mr. trump from 2021 discussing a sensitive military document he had kept after leaving the white house, two people briefed on the matter said. trump also indicated he knew the document was secret. on the recording, mr. trump began wailing about his handpicked chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley, who was described as having guarded against mr. trump's striking iran was in

the final days of presidency. mr. trump then began referencing a document that he had with him, saying that it had been compiled by general milley and was related to attacking the iran. mr. trump can be heard handling the paper on tape, handling paper on tape, though it is not clear whether it was the document in question. joining us now, andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel from the chief of the criminal division in the east of district of new york. he's a professor of practice at nyu law school. neal katyal is with us, former acting solicitor general. they are both msnbc legal analysts. and, neal, let me begin with you. where we are tonight on this new recording that we learned about yesterday of donald trump discussing his possession of a classified document, possibly

waving it around to be heard on the tape recording, and it is about military issues with iran. trump was asked about this tonight, as we saw, and he did not dare breathe a word about it. >> yeah, that's exactly right, lawrence. as a lawyer, i think i can defend almost anything. but i agree with what you said at the outset of this show, it is impossible to be donald trump's defense lawyer. and as always, trump's his own worst enemy when it comes to legal troubles. i am sure his attorneys cringe every time he opens his mouth, and in this episode, it undercuts exactly why because we managed to do is get the one defense he has been trotting out for the last many months, which is -- [inaudible] classify them in my mind. but here, on the tape, he is saying, for a document that he

had taken out of the white house, it is still classified. so therefore, i can't show it to anyone, blowing a huge hole in his defense. and it's very hard to claim that the government is weaponized against you when you practically handed them the smoking gun. and, you know, if prosecutors have him, as it sounds like from these reports on tape, admitting he understands that donald trump understands the basic rules of handling classified documents, i don't see how he's gonna be able to defend himself against his own taped admission. it's almost as if donald trump is acting like he is too dumb to even play dumb. >> there's new reporting from the times tonight saying some of mr. trump's own advisers aware of the recordings existence have been waiting for it to become public since mr. trump's town hall event on cnn in may, during which he gave an equivocating answer when asked directly if he had ever shown any classified documents to people after leaving the white house.

let's take a look right now at that answer. >> did you ever so this classified document to anyone? >> not really, i would have the right to -- by the way, they were declassified after -- not that i can think of. >> andrew weissmann, so the trump lawyers are watching that, and they just know from that that the clock is ticking on when this document gets revealed, this recording gets revealed? >> yeah, so, you know, what you want the answer to that to be is no, i didn't take documents, and no, i did not disseminate, you know, what we talk about as right after it happened, but not really struck all of us as,

you know, huge red flag. we did not know jack smith -- knew, but we did not know that there was actually a tape recording that would help keep that. i do think that at this point, you know, the proof is so overwhelming that we are going to see charges there is a question about when, but i really think the people to be thinking about now is really the next step. it is not if there are gonna be charges, it is one of the charges happen, are we gonna seek charges that involve dissemination of classified information, which would be more serious than simply retention. what are we gonna hear about the types of instruction because this could be, to use illegal phrase, in terms of the kind of evidence that's laid out in the indictment of the different ways in which the

former president obstructed. we may also be looking for who else's charge. we've heard about at least one in mar-a-lago, is that gonna be part of a conspiracy charge? the more interesting question now, the volume of proof is something that, you know, neal and i have done so many cases. this is just a rock pressure. it's going to be charged. there is just no way with this much through. and it is important to a case we are so many people have done so much less have been charged, this is gonna happen. so, i really think the question is sort of all these other issues to keep an eye out for. >> we've got a lot more to cover. please, stay across this commercial break. andrew, i want to get your time estimate, if you have one, about when you think we might see these charges on the other side of the commercial. also, donald trump did say something about iran and nuclear weapons tonight on fox. we will listen to that when we get back right after this break. ♪ ♪ ♪

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iran nuclear deal. >> it is just as stupid thing as you can possibly say. he terminated the deal that prevented iran from having nuclear weapons, negotiated by president obama and john kerry. he's very, very proud of that. but neal, i am so struck by donald trump obsessing there about iran and nuclear opens, which links up with this report and that we have about the audio recording of donald trump obsessing about and talking about iran and nuclear weapons. >> that's exactly right, lawrence. you know, if you listen to him, it really sounds like a liar. that's what comes across. and it is linked up to exactly what you are talking, andrew, about before, when he was asked, did you disseminate any classified information? he says not really. i mean, give me a break. andrew and i have lots of classified information. i was national security adviser

at the justice department. i can assure you that if i had disseminated any classified information, i will very well remember it. it's not something that you forget and say not really, or something like that. and that's why i agree with andrew that i do think the question here is when charges are filed against donald trump not if. and the thing i would add to andrew's excellent analysis is the prosecutors do look at the trajectory of an investigation. it is just like i am covering any big lie. do things look better or do they look worse as you turned over some rocks? and here it is that trajectory which i think is so damning for donald trump. i mean, the case was strong months ago in every revelation up to this iran document yesterday that changed the case. and we already knew that trump had the documents more than 100, at his club at mar-a-lago, after he swore he did not. we already knew that these documents were very significant containing national security secrets.

we already knew that a federal judge, indeed our nation's second highest court, the d. c. circuit, believed a crime was committed, and so serious a crime as two peers attorney-client privilege and force trump's own attorney to provide evidence, potentially against him before the grand jury. and we know so much more, and now, we have got this. so, i just think all of it together makes it really hard for jack smith to do anything but prosecute. and if he did not prosecute, lawrence, what message would that be sending to everyone else who handles classified information in the federal government, and sensitive information. and what it would tell our intelligence community who develop these sources and methods for this information? what would it tell our allies because some of the stuff that he's stolen and brought to mar-a-lago presumably was

generated by five eyes and other of our alliances. i don't think there's any other choices a prosecutor would do, republican or democrat, in any administration. >> okay, andrew, before you give us your time estimate about when you think charges might be filed and why, that's the time estimate, i want to listen to, we now have the very first trump criminal defense lawyer defense of donald trump on this issue of the audiotape of him discussing a classified document and possibly waving it in the air while discussing it on that audiotape. here he is the trump criminal defense on that point. >> we're not gonna try -- >> did he declassify this document that we are referring to? >> we're not gonna try the case -- >> so you won't say? >> of course, not. >> and will you say in a court of law that he declassified this? >> if i am in a court of law, i will defend my client as i need to. >> so, the question was, did he declassify this document that we are referring to, and of course the lawyer refuses to

answer that question. andrew, taking it all adds up totality as we know it tonight, what is your estimate about when we might see a prosecution in this case? and why is that your time estimate? >> first, let me just say, his answer there would make some sense if that had been a consistent position of donald trump throughout the whole panoply of cases that we've seen. but since he's constantly offered defenses just suddenly with a specter of particular damning piece of evidence saying, i'm not gonna tell you now, really smacks -- that's because they actually don't have an answer. and he is right. there is no answer. in terms of the time estimate, of course, it's always brought to give a prediction. but i really wouldn't be surprised if it would be next week or the following week, and let me just say why. you know, all of the reasons that neal gave as to the volume of evidence, and there really

isn't a sense -- certainly that we know of, of anything that remains to be done. when you combine that with what prosecutors are going to hear, which is that the public and donald trump rightly are all entitled to have a trial on these issues before the election. donald trump's entitled to his day in court. the american public is entitled to know the answer from a jury about whether he is guilty beyond reasonable doubt, unanimously or not. and that is something that you really don't want to have linger. so, i think it's going to be a real internal clock built by jack smith and his team, as well as the attorney general, to the extent that he is hearing an appeal from donald trump as to whether he would overrule what jack smith is recommending, and to really do this quickly, and to try to bring the case to fruition in time for the american public and donald trump to have that answer. >> andrew weissmann and neal katyal, thank you both very much for joining our discussion tonight.

always appreciate it. thank you. and coming up, vladimir putin celebrated international children's day by killing a nine year old girl and her mother in a hospital in ukraine. and the nuclear threats from putin's team are actually begin to sound silly. no one translates putin's threats to reality better than yale professor timothy snyder and tonight, donald trump he would stop the war in ukraine in his first 24 hours if he were elected president again. professor timothy snyder joins us next.

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cortez masto, kramer -- >> we do not have the final vote count yet. nuclear weapons for everyone -- that was the message from one of vladimir putin's still publicly enthusiastic supporters, president alexander lukashenko of belarus. president lukashenko made an absurd promise that is absurd on its face. he said, it's very simple. you have to join that union between belarus and russia, and that's it, there will be nuclear opens for everyone. of course, no country in the world believes that. president lukashenko claimed that nuclear opens are being transferred to belarus now. vladimir putin celebrated international children's day by killing three people in a

missile attack at a hospital in ukraine. and that missile strike, vladimir putin killed a nine year old girl and her mother. in norway today, anthony blinken met with nato's secretary general who said this -- >> we agree that ukraine will become a member of the alliance, and all of us agree that it is for nato allies and ukraine to decide whether the time is right. it's not for moscow to decide on nato -- >> joining us now is timothy snyder, professor of history at yale university. he is about author of the road to un-freedom, russia, europe, america. professor snyder, one of the things that was said today also about the situation in ukraine is that donald trump tonight on fox saying he could fall and end the war in ukraine in 24 hours. i guess we can add that to the absurdities said about the situation today. >> yeah, i, mean it is such a lack of contact with reality, that the war is being fought in

earnest for 15 months with tremendous casualties, a central event in world history at the moment. and the only way that it would be ended in 24 hours would be if one side would be to surrender. and mr. trump is not in a position to make something like that happen. you know, this is just pure frivolity. >> and what do you make of this nuclear noise, again, this time involving belarus? >> first of all, we should just recall that alexander lukashenko is a dictator who was pushed in the last presidential election, and is now holding on to power, only with the help of the putin regime and russia. so, the thing that he says are the same kind of nuclear bluster that russia has been using from the beginning of the war. it's very important to distinguish the bluster from the actual chances of war. they just hope that with the bluster, we will not do the things that we need to do to

help ukrainians win at that war. it is just a kind of last ditch effort to try to prevent ukraine from winning. and if anything, you, know if i were russia or belarus, i wouldn't be having to stop it right now, because the missiles which ukraine is now shooting down are also russia a nuclear delivery vehicles. and it's also a scandal inside russia now having to do with the early detection systems. so, in drawing attention to the nuclear subject, they are actually drawing attention at this point, not so much to one of their strengths, but as to one of their weaknesses. it might be time for them to move on. >> i want to let you hear the exact words that donald trump used tonight because people in iowa believed this, trump supporters in iowa believe what donald trump is saying when he said this. let's listen to this. >> i will get them into a room, and i know the exact way, number one -- you tell the one, you're not gonna get anything unless you make a deal.

you tell the other, they're gonna get a lot unless you make a deal. and you just hit them, and you have to make a determination. [applause] and i am telling you, within 24 hours, that whole thing will be settled. it will be settled. >> i know it sounds like he is talking about members of congress. he is talking about russia and ukraine. >> yes, the thing there is that we have to remember that mr. trump in his entire political career, basically since 2016, has been a kind of client of mr. putin. so, the idea that he could get putin do something precarious, you know, putin can get him to do things, but the idea that you can get to do putin do something is curious.

the russians, if you follow them and their media, they are very much hoping that trump wins this war, wins this election. that is their hail mary. they are hoping that trump or desantis, but mostly trump wins this war. and when trump talks like that, when he makes this unreality, he basically, and this is what americans should understand, he is making the war last longer. you know, he doesn't pick the position that ukraine should win and we should help them. you are giving the russians hope and you are extending the war out to november 24, january 25, that is what trump is actually doing right now. >> professor timothy snyder, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> always a pleasure, thank you. >> thank you. going back to the senate floor live where the vote stands right now at 63 to 36 -- not sure if there is another senator who is going to vote to bring that to 64 or 37. but they have not closed the vote. here it is. >> the voting threshold had been achieved. the bill is passed. >> and there it is, 63 to 36, the bill is passed, as we just heard from the junior senator

from california presiding over this very important session of the united states senate. we said at the beginning of this hour that it was on a fast version of the slow track. it turned out to be on an even faster track tonight. the united states senate has passed the extension of the elimination, complete elimination of the debt ceiling for the next two years. so, this will not be an issue again for two years in the congress. we will be right back after this break. g. pedialyte. 3x the electrolytes.

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>> as we just showed you before the commercial break, the united states senate just passed the debt ceiling bill 63 to 36. this is that sort of final cleanup crew on the senate floor there. majority leader schumer will return to the senate floor momentarily to give a kind of wrap up speech, which will include thank you to different people, and also set the future schedule for the senate, which everyone is eager to know for their own personal schedules working their. it was a very easy vote to reach tonight, 63, 36. there was an agreement between chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell about how to proceed tonight, which speeded it up

enormously. it was kind of the old-fashioned senate, fast-tracking this right through. this is the kind of build, debt ceiling bill, when a debt ceiling passes the senate, it passes the house like this, it is rushed to the white house faster than most bills are delivered to the white house for the presidents signatures, as they will be doing what this bill has as soon as possible. there it is, the united states senate passed the bill 63, 36 exactly as passed in the house of representatives. donald trump tonight and sean hannity spent some time questioning joe biden's mental competence. kevin mccarthy, in describing his negotiations as speaker of the house with the president of the united states, said that the president was very professional, very smart, very tough at the same time. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. ruhle starts now. ruhle starts now. ruhle starts now.

>> good evening, once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. and we are going to begin this broadcast with some very good breaking news. the senate has just voted to pass the bipartisan debt ceiling bill. the vote was 63 to 36. it comes some 24 hours after the house passed the same bill. it raises the nation's debt limit -- while also imposing new caps on spending. and now goes to the presidents desk for his signature, with four days to go before the monday default deadline. let's get straight to nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitale, who has been standing by for hours and hours. all, right ali vitale. it happened. how did this whole thing go