good day, i'm chris jansing live in washington, d.c. today political fortunes and personal fortunes set to be decided on the house floor. so how are kevin mccarthy and white house aides spending these final hours before tonight's big vote, and does growing opposition indicate that conservatives and progressives actually have the power to sink the whole thing? i'm talk to florida republican

congressman byron donald. plus, the gut wrenching words of the a witness who watched as a gas station owner in south carolina chased down a 14-year-old and shot him in the back, quote, everyone's getting trigger happy. the shooter says he thought the teenager was shoplifting. he wasn't. now the gas station owner is facing charges, his store is in ruins after being vandalized by protesters and another community is in mourning. we begin with one of those rare days on capitol hill where high political drama and debate collide with the critical job of governing, in this case trying to keep the u.s. economy from going off the cliff, and no one knows exactly how it's going to play out. not only could tonight's vote seal the fate of the debt limit agreement between president biden and speaker mccarthy, it may also be a defining moment for mccarthy himself. he's been engaged in open warfare with far right republicans of the freedom caucus arguing over whether the

legislation is a good deal or not, but this morning, mccarthy predicted that the bulk of his party would ultimately come around. >> today the american people are going to win. we're going to pass the largest cut in a small step putting us on the right track. >> does it matter to you, though, that you won't have the entire conference behind you? >> no, it matters it's going to become law. if i would -- if i'm a member of congress i wouldn't want history to pass me by. everybody has a right to their own opinion, but on history, i'd want to be here with this bill today. >> nbc's ryan nobles joins me from capitol hill, also with me "new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker and brendan buck who served as an aide to republican speaker john boehner and paul ryan. peter and brendan are msnbc political analysts. good to have you all. ryan, set the stage for us,

where do we stand, and do we have any better sense of how this vote might go? >> with each passing minute, it seems more and more likely this bill will glide through the house of representatives. even though we are hearing some pretty loud voices in the opposition column, it's not nearly the kind of ground swell it would take to defeat a bill like this. there seems to be the right number of democrats and republicans to get this bill over the house threshold and into the senate, which a new fight would begin. listen to what the democratic leader had to say about the bill earlier today. >> house democrats are going to make sure that the country does not default, period, full stop. we will continue to be responsible stewards of our economy, but at the same time, it is important for house republicans to do their part in supporting a resolution that they themselves negotiated. >> so what jeffries is saying

when you read between the line is that his caucus isn't in love with this bill. there are going to be some progressives that vote against it, but he's going to try to help kevin mccarthy out here. jeffries is hoping that mccarthy can deliver somewhere in the range of 150 republican votes. i just caught up with the speaker an hour ago. he predicted that it would be a majority of the republican conference that would vote yes. that coupled with the democrats we expect to vote for it should make it more than enough to get over the finish line. so chris, they do feel like they're in a good position. no one is really in love with this bill, but they do believe it is the best option given the stakes when it comes to the debt ceiling and a possible american default. >> he says it's gliding or he says it's on a glide. you've been saying for a while there's no way this doesn't get done. if that's the case, is what

we've seen all of this angst part of a divided dysfunctional system we're in, is it performative politics, or frankly, is it proof democracy works? >> i think it's proof that we can still get things done. sometimes that gets lost. there actually was a lot of stuff done in a bipartisan way in the last congress. this was, though, the biggest thing that kevin mccarthy had to do, and i've been saying for a while, this moment will define whether or not he has a successful speakership for the full two years of his term. i think he has surprised me but how well he has been able to keep together his conference. obviously there are some people making some noise, lots of noise actually, but that's to be expected. the fact that he was able to bring together the president, force a negotiation, get a majority of his conference, get democrats to come together and avoid a real crisis, that's not easy to do. i've done a lot of debt limit increases. that's the hardest thing we do. >> i think he might have had a speaker facing rebellion from his own caucus. >> the fact that kevin mccarthy is going to get through here without anybody threatening his

job maybe save one or two loud voices, that's very impressive. i don't know that there's going to be a lot of bipartisan deals to come through here. this is the one that mattered. this is notable. this is not a small thing for him. i think it will ensure he's going to be in this job for the rest of this congress. >> there was a great quote from him last night apparently in this closed door meeting he had with his caucus, and he said, quote, if you think i failed you, i'm sorry, but if you think i failed, i think you're wrong. peter, what do you make of the way he navigated this? >> he demonstrated that he wants to govern. he wants to have accomplishment over having an issue, and the question was not an answered one until now. we thought he was so enthralled to the hard right of his caucus in order to get the speakership that he might cave into their demands in a general sense rather than being willing to make the kind of compromise he made because the last two speakers have paid a price when they made compromises with democratic presidents. i'm not just a republican leader

and we have to get the country moving forward. i'm going to make deals with joe biden that you don't like, i don't like, it's better for the country. >> there's been this rumbling object the future of kevin mccarthy as the speaker. let me play what andy biggs had to say about that. >> it's hard to say what will happen with kevin. i'm more concerned what's going to go on with the trajectory of the term. does this represent a new trajectory where the speaker's going to go to the democrats more and more to try to put forward whatever he thinks his agenda ought to be. that's really concerning to me and i think it should be concerning to members of our conference. >> you could definitely argue, i think, brendan, that since it took him 15 votes to be elected speaker that kevin mccarthy has been skating on some thin ice. is it thinner now? is it thicker now? is he safer if this goes through tonight? >> i think it's certainly thinner. we have to acknowledge he's had a pretty long honeymoon here,

and that is probably over. there are going to be a lot more people who are going to be watching much more closely about what he does. we have to fund the government later this year. they'll be putting more pressure on him. i find those comments are actually really funny. what he's complaining about is not kevin mccarthy. he's complaining about the reality of divided government. this is why kevin mccarthy should be able to say we don't control the senate. we don't control the white house. the fact that i got you anything is remarkable. some of these people don't buy that. they think you should be able to hold out forever, get whatever you want, it doesn't matter who the speaker is. the speaker could be the chairman of the freedom caucus. the reality of the outcome is probably not going to change much. the reality mccarthy has been able to create here is he's got a lot of democrats who are angry about this, that are mad they had to do this. it creates momentum for republicans to have permission to vote. maybe it's okay for republicans to vote for it. >> i wonder if this is anger at kevin mccarthy or just the idea that what they don't want to do

is have to negotiate at all. they have very strong feelings about things. they want things to go their way, and frankly, a divided government never is great for them. did they potentially come out of this weaker? >> well, look, they are attacking the deal, not mccarthy per se. it's not very personal, at least not yet. that indicates that they understand that this is divided government and they'd have to, in fact, do things they don't want to do. some of them are going to be on the outside of that saying it's better politically or ideologically or philosophically without necessarily stopping it. democrats aren't particularly happy with the deal either. the noise from the right in the last few days might actually help president biden who had a rebellion of his own among progressives. everything in the bill is something republicans wanted. there's nothing in there a democrat wanted other than to stop things that republicans wanted. it's a lot less of what republicans originally wanted but there's nothing in there. there's no democratic priority in there, no taxes on the wealthy.

there's no increase in minimum wage. there's no health care expansion. all the things in the bill are things republicans wanted, just not as much of it. >> all right, ryan, so confidence generally that this is going to get done, but you've been in washington long enough to know it isn't over until it's over. what are you going to be watching for the next couple of hours? >> reporter: well, the first big test of this bill as brendan well knows is the vote on the rule, which already made it out of the rules committee yesterday with a bit of drama, but it did end up making it to the floor. if that rule vote is going to give us an indication to just how overwhelming the affirmative vote will be for the actual debt ceiling package later this evening. that's something we're going to be looking for later this afternoon, and then looking forward there's a pretty rigorous debate right now on the senate side of the capital as to how quickly this process can get done. there's some wrangling right now over the type of amendments that will be brought to the floor so

that even just one senator could hold up this process, potentially even pass the deadline next week. so even though everything looks positive right now, there's still a lot of work that needs to be done, chris, and as you rightly point out, even one little hiccup could derail the process. so the members up here still need to land this plane before we can all take a deep breath. >> we're going to still be writing and the clock is ticking until, ryan nobles, peter baker, brendan buck, you and i were talking about the fact we've been on tv together maybe 100 times, we've never met until today. thank you for coming in, peter, great to see you as well. still ahead, that tragedy in south carolina, a 14-year-old boy killed after police say he was falsely accused of shoplifting and then shot in the back. his final harrowing moments when we return in 60 seconds. conds. (vo) this is sadie. she's on verizon. the network she can count on. and now she's got myplan. the game changing new plan that lets her pick exactly what she wants, and save on every perk. sadie's getting her plan ready for a big trip.

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over another child shot and killed in what the county sheriff is calling a senseless act. convenience store owner rick chow is currently behind bars accused of murdering 14-year-old cyrus carmack-belton on sunday shooting him in the back while chasing him and falsely accusing the teen of shoplifting. chow's son the boy had a gun. the county coroner said the teenager's injuries were consistent with someone running away and the sheriff stressed there's no evidence he stole anything. >> should have never been shot in the back. he didn't shoplift so there was no reason for him to be shot like that. he never pointed a gun at anybody. to me that's very senseless. it was unnecessary to shoot a 14-year-old. even if he shifted it still was unnecessary to shoot him. >> nbc's sam brock is here, and i'm joined by glen kirschner, a

former federal prosecutor and msnbc analyst. what more do we know about this shooting? >> so we know that this boy was in the area, chris, 14-year-old cyrus who walked into a gas station, convenience store was looking on video at bottles of water and put them back, corgt according to to authorities, there was no evidence at all that he actually attempted to steal the water, and even if he had, what would possibly justify lethal action. so this community right now is grieving from what feels like a very familiar pattern. you look right now at the images of this gas station, it was vandalized after murder charges came out as a testament perhaps, a reflection of just how angry everyone is, that it only took 24 hours less than that for this man, rick chow, the owner of the gas station to be charged with murder. yet, as you said earlier he was shot in the back, the 14-year-old, cyrus who just graduated from eighth grade should be moving on to high school was shot in the back running away.

so even the coroner came out and said there was no signs at all of abrasions on his body or a physical confrontation. that is the aftermath of what the gas station looked like following this community anger. i'm going to show you a picture right now of cyrus and note the fact that this picture came courtesy of a state representative, todd rutherford who said he was taken aback just looking at the image, it looks so much like his own son. he said this is a familiar story, someone who was racially profiled in his words and shot down in the street like a dog. that is in many ways how so many in this community, 41% african american are feeling right now. the sheriff did come out and say this is not an issue of race, racial profiling, race dynamics. however, he's white. the shop owner was asian, and of course the victim was black, and right now these are all layers to this story, a 14-year-old african american boy is dead, will not be continuing his life. his family is grieving and why, because he committed the grievous offense of looking at

water bottles inside of a gas station. >> sam, thank you for that. glenn, sad to say this is not the only story of a black child being shot recently, aderrien murray, 11 years old, calls police to help his mom and gets shot just over a week ago. does it change the equation for prosecutors and anybody else involved in the case that the victim is a child? >> you know, it changes the equation atmospherically, but it doesn't necessarily change the equation legally. you know, when we're in there trying murder cases, it becomes relevant the nature of the victim, but the reason it becomes relevant is because the question becomes was the victim posing a threat at the time such that the defendant, in this case mr. chow, had the right to defend himself with deadly violence. boy, chris, there is no such thing as an open and shut case, but what we've heard thus far

and what we've seen, particularly what we heard from sheriff lott makes it pretty clear that mr. chow was absolutely not involved in legitimate self-defense. he said, you know, i took aim and fired as this young boy was running away from my store. you have a hard time proving self-defense under those circumstances. >> let's talk about, again, what we just heard, which is he was running away. there's no evidence that he pointed a gun at anyone, but just the fact that there apparently was a gun, does it complicate it at all? >> it complicates it because it will be a relevant fact at trial, and the law in south carolina says -- it's actually a pretty pro-defendant law. the law in south carolina says the defendant has what's called the burden of production. in other words, the defendant has to present some evidence that he might have acted in

self-defense and then the burden of proof shifts to the government to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he wasn't acting in self-defense. but you know, when sheriff lott said we talked to mr. chow when we arrested him, and what he said was my son who was with me said he has a gun, so i took aim and fired. well, that doesn't constitute self-defense. what might constitute self-defense is if he said he turned around and pointed the gun at me and i had to defend my own life by using deadly force. he didn't say that, so i think self-defense will be an uphill battle. >> let's talk about this whole question of racial profiling. we saw in the case of the 11-year-old who was shot, he was a young black boy and his -- the shooter was a police officer. "washington post" did a database of kids shoot by police, there are 140 of them since 2015.

85%, 85 of them, 60% were kids of color. how does race play into a prosecution like this one? wasn't a police officer, but do you think that there will be questions of racial profiling brought up here? >> it's a great question. so i prosecuted just three blocks from where we're sitting at the d.c. u.s. attorney's office where i was chief of homicide, tried lots of murder cases including self-defense cases. the reality of prosecuting cases here in washington, d.c., is race typically permeated cases in lots and lots of ways. however, i think we tried very hard not to make a case about race unless it was a hate crime, and race become directly relevant to a question the jury had to resolve. but the reality is, it sure feels, chris, like people who are carrying guns seem to have two different standards with respect to when they'll pull a

trigger and it often seems to hinge on whether the person that they're shooting at is black or is white. >> glenn kirschner, good to see you, thank you for coming in. appreciate it. well, get ready for the republican race to get shaken up, mark your calendars for next tuesday. new details on what trump friend turned foe chris christie is now planning. and ron desantis is speaking right now on the campaign trail and hitting back against trump who's on his way to iowa too. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc.

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today iowa is ground zero in the 2024 race for the republican nomination, and it is trump versus desantis there. at this minute, ron desantis is continuing his play for conservative caucus voters, aiming some of his fiercest fire yet at donald trump even if he still won't say his name. >> and here's the thing, a lot of these other republicans are criticizing me for standing up against disney, and you know, obviously they wanted the schools, this to be in the schools, which is totally wrong, but they've also been on video, their executives talking about how it's their mission to inject the sexualization into their programming for the young kids. and that is wrong, and so we just have to say that, and we've got to be very clear. >> but donald trump isn't ceding

any ground, he'll be appearing at two events ahead of a prime time town hall tomorrow. nbc news reports that former new jersey governor chris christie will announce his campaign on tuesday at a town hall in manchester, new hampshire, which of course is another early voting state. nbc's dasha burns and vaughn hillyard are following all of it for us from iowa. so dasha, what's the desantis campaign plan now to confront donald trump? >> reporter: well, chris, i'm using my inside voice right now because the governor is currently speaking to voters behind me right now. just yesterday i was on air before his kickoff event in iowa, and i was saying that one of the things we were going to be watching for was just how directly he would take on trump in some of his events here, and look, in his speech last night, his main headline event, he only very subtly took jabs at the former president. but when it came to his press event, he went at him much more directly. this was some of the more

animated, more direct attacks at the former president that we've seen so far, especially in response to one of the questions that i asked him about the former president now wading into the disney battle, now calling disney woke and criticizing desantis for not standing up to the company sooner. take a listen to desantis's response when i asked him his take on that pivot from trump and what he makes of that criticism. listen. >> it's very bizarre. i mean, i can tell you, we were leading the way on parents' rights in education. here i stand, i'm standing for the children no matter what, and i know other people may be a little bit different than that, so i think it's bizarre criticism. but it's also bizarre the former president's now attacking me saying that cuomo did better handling covid than florida did. i can tell you this, i could count the number of republicans

in this country on my hands that would rather have lived in new york under cuomo than lived in florida. >> reporter: so it's going to be interesting to watch, chris, how much some of that rhetoric when it came to the press is going to creep into his more formal speeches, his addresses to voters in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina where he's going to be later this week. and when i talk to voters, it is those two issues, covid and disney, and by disney i don't just mean the entertainment giant, but i mean what it represents for voters, which is idea of wokism and of companies sort of taking the side in voters' minds of the woke left and that's a talking point that desantis has used a lot on the campaign trail. those are the things that are really resonaing with gop primary voters, conservative voters, and evangelicals and religious voters in states like

iowa. as desantis sort of hits those points and hits back at trump on those points as he's getting some criticism from his top rival, it's going to be interesting to watch the reaction from the voters that are going to be important to win over in these early states. >> i've heard a few smatterings of applause, how big is the crowd there, dasha? >> here today, this is a smaller area, we're in council bluffs. this is not des moines, right, so maybe a couple hundred people here. the applause lines come on his covid response, on disney. he told a story about water from the sea of galilee that he used to baptize his children. he got a response here, again a lot of religious voters in this area, often applause lines come at his lines on immigration. so he's got a few heavy hitters that he knows will get those applause lines and they often do in these areas, chris. >> all right, i don't think there's any doubt dasha's 1000%

right as she usually is that he has definitely stepped up his attacks, but he is nowhere in the stratosphere of this guy named chris christie, what do we know about his plans to get in the race, and what makes you think he could have a different result than he did in 2016. >> we have to note that in iowa in 2016 he finished in tenth place. then he went to new hampshire and finished in sixth place after the likes of john kasich and even jeb bush. yet, he's going and doing this again, and largely it's a recognition in his own words of what he says was a strategic error back in 2015 and 2016 among the republican field. i want to let you hear from chris christie in his own words at an event in new hampshire in march. take a listen. >> we all kind of thought, all right, don't go after him now because once i get past jeb and marco and john and carly and

ted, you know, then i'll have trump one on one and then i'll take him on. never got there. it was over quick. so that was a strategic error. >> and this time around, chris christie has said that he intends to do -- if he were to jump in the race like an adviser tells me he will to this next tuesday -- to take on donald trump much in the way you'll remember that notable new hampshire debate back eight years ago when he really took down marco rubio for all intents and purposes. for chris christie, it's important to note he was a major endorsee of donald trump just before super tuesday in 2016. he even helped donald trump in the white house prepare for his debates against joe biden back in 2020, really since donald trump's election defeat, though, you have a different chris christie, and one who is notably very unpopular among the republican electorate. in a new monmouth national poll yesterday, 47% of republicans

nationally view him in an unpopular way. when you look at a cnn poll from last week, chris, when republicans, and republican leaning independents were asked among candidates whether they could ever support a potential candidate, when it came to chris christie, 60% of republicans nationally said they would never support him in this 2024 race. he's already starting from a smaller pool of winnable voters and this is really going to be an opportunity for him to try to take on donald trump if he makes it to the debate stage, and try to somehow make up room and make a race out of this. >> this is going to be interesting, vaughn hillyard, dasha burns smack in the middle of it. thank you both so much. with a vote this big, you can bet the phones are on fire. can kevin mccarthy get the support he needs to get the debt ceiling deal over the finish line? with me next, a republican member of congress who says he's absolutely a no on the bill. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. reports"c [♪♪] if you have diabetes, it's important to have confidence

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all day long, nbc news has been keeping track of who's supporting and who's opposing the debt ceiling bill, so at this point, three dozen lawmakers, most of them republicans have come out against it, but of course that count is literally changing by the hour. my next guest has been one of the most vocal denouncers of the bill, florida republican congressman byron donalds. it's good to talk to you

congressman. give us the short version, if you will, why are you so opposed to this bill? >> well, let's be very clear. this bill calls for at least a $4 trillion raise in our national debt. there are no real cuts in this bill, about 12 billion of year one cuts. the estimates of about 2 trillion or 1.3 trillion in deficit reduction are based upon spending targets that are not really codified in law, and i can go on from there. you have an administrative pay go, which can be waived by the omb director whenever she chooses to. that's the way the language is read, and we're not making any structural changes to the way washington spends its money. and for those reasons, i'm a no. >> okay, so let's take one part of it which is what this costs, and we all know that the national debt under president trump rose more than $7.8 trillion. mccarthy said this bends that cost curve down. let me play for you exactly what

he said. >> i've talked to many about whether -- i'm not sure what in the bill people are concerned about. it is the largest savings of $2.1 trillion we've ever had, and if i compare it to when republicans were in the majority when they had the house, the senate, and the presidency, they didn't cut anything. they just added more money. >> i'm not going to ask you to defend the past and donald trump, you weren't even in office, but it sounds like you don't concede mccarthy's point that he's moving things in the right direction. is he wrong when he says it is the largest savings of 2.1 trillion we've ever had. >> before i even got to congress, i would see these cbo estimates about savings over a ten-year window. here's the truth for the american people. they never materialize. the only thing that really matters are what you do in the first year of any of these spending negotiations. what's in this bill is about $12 billion in cuts, and so if you're asking me to cut

$12 billion in order to raise $4 trillion, that answer is no. on a broader point, i think if you're going to talk about the spending under president trump, let's be clear, a big chunk of that was the c.a.r.e.s. act in response to covid-19. it was a unique experience, an emergency action, and so the position -- my position and a lot of house republicans position has been now that the covid pandemic is over, the federal agency should be able to go back to pre-covid spending levels. this bill actually keeps 2022 spending levels, which is not before the pandemic. >> so let's take a bottom line. are you okay with the u.s. defaulting if it means you've got more leverage potentially in renegotiating? >> no, i'm not okay with default. and let's be very, very clear. i understand that a couple of things are going to happen in that event, yields in the bond market will rise dramatically. it will shrink credit in our country and washington will be forced, frankly, to do something different and to finally get it

in line, but the american people must also understand that our true default is having too much debt on the nation's credit card with no fundamental way of repaying it and not even being able to pay for the things that republicans and democrats or americans all want washington to actually do. under the president's budget, interest on the debt becomes the number one line item on the fiscal -- on the nation's fiscal health. that's not sustainable. so whether you're talking about 32 trillion or 36 trillion or 40 trillion, the trajectory we are on is not going to work for the american people. >> congressman, i'm out of time, but let me ask you really quickly, in the end, how many noes do you think the republicans will tally? >> right now i don't know. we'll see how it ends up on the floor. i'm thinking the number's around 50. could be more than that, but we'll see what happens. >> congressman byron donalds, thank you. i want to bring back brendan buck, former spokesperson for the january 6th committee and

senior communications adviser for the congressional integrity project, hannah muldaven. >> when you start talking trillions of dollars it doesn't really register, but when you start to say you have to pay your bills, why aren't we paying our bills, that can register, but in the end, it's likely this is going to pass. what do you make of what he had to say and the argument that he and the people who are going to vote no have against this. >> he has real arguments and i think the numbers he was throwing out are legitimate. a lot of the savings are way down the road. they're theoretical. they're not really baked into this bill at all. he's got real arguments that he can make and i think we shouldn't dismiss them. that really encapsulates the challenge any republican speaker is going to deal with. there are going to be members who it's never good enough for. this is a somewhat remarkable achievement for mccarthy to get this. we only have a four-seat majority in the house. that's it. >> do you think that 50 could vote against it?

>> i think easily 50 could vote against it. the magic number mccarthy needs to hit is the majority. that's only 112. losing 50 or 60 votes on a debt limit increase is actually not that bad. we passed debt limit increases where we only had 60 or 70 republicans voting for it when we were in the majority. those are the really bad days. mccarthy has done a good job keeping everybody together. so many members trust him. i think that's why you're seeing people direct their ire at the bill and not kevin mccarthy now. >> "punchbowl news" is talking about the search going on for those democratic votes. who are they targeting and what are they arguing? >> yeah, chris, i think here the most important thing is that we don't default, and so that's where democrats are coming from. they're the grown-ups in the room here. if you look at what we're hearing from democrats, we're hearing a lot of the small handful of progressives saying they're going to vote no on the bill. i believe there are five that are for sure a no. the progressive caucus is only one part of the democratic

coalition. you also have the new democrat coalition, nearly 100 of the more moderate democratic members who from the get-go have been working with president biden on this deal. they came out on sunday with a supportive statement after a deal was announced and monday they officially supported that. so you can expect about 98 to 100 of those new democrats to vote for this. i wouldn't be surprised if you had about 120 democrats voting for this. now, i will say that like leader jeffries said earlier today, 150. that's the number that mccarthy said he could bring, so let's see what they can do there. this is their bill, and we'll see where democrats come after that. >> there's this really interesting report in "the washington post" yesterday, it's not surprising for anybody who has worked in washington, but they said that last night, quote, republicans on the whip team were seen holding a narrow piece of paper with names in one hand and a pen in another as they spend an hour-long vote touching base with several colleagues in the largely republican conference who remained undecided. you can read that like, okay,

the future of the american economy maybe, the global economy by extension depends on people running around with a list on a narrow piece of paper and a pen. what are those conversations like? >> yeah, i mean, that's how we do it. there's 30 or 40 people on the whip team, they're supposed to keep tabs on them. and they do it all throughout the congress. they know what those people need -- >> we saw that on "the west wing". >> exactly. that's how it really works. each one of these people is going to have a different thing they need to have. probably the argument most of them are making, stick with the team. this is only a problem if a lot of republicans vote no. if most of us are voting yes, it doesn't become a bad vote for you. if we all stick together, there's safety in numbers, the team aspect, politics is a team sport as they say, that tends to carry the day. plus, they're making the argument that kevin mccarthy absolutely did everything he possibly could. he fought until the very last minute and there's not a lot else he can do. some people are never going to

vote for it. you can always assume the freedom caucus is going to make a bunch of noise. they're going to make the vague threats they do. you can't count on them. democrats tend to come along, i'm not really worried about the bill passing. they tend to show up, i think 150 is ambitious. i think mccarthy could get there. >> listening to what you say, hannah is often the thing that moves people who are truly on the fence, political more than policy? >> i think that the most important thing to democrats is we don't have a devastating default. when you look at what that alternative is, that's where we are. also, if you look at the deal that was brought forward, president biden along with the people he had from the white house negotiating this had a really good deal that came out of this. you know, originally the far right extreme maga wing of the party brought up 22% cuts to some of the programs that democrats care about the most. social security, medicare, medicaid. we're securing all of those programs and we're making sure that there aren't those cuts

there. there are a lot of good things that came out of this deal that the bipartisan negotiators came up with. democrats are going to put this in the republican's problem for a while, you're not going to see a lot come out. but i do think that when it comes down to it, they're going to put the american people first, they're not going to let us default. >> i hear what we're going to be hearing from democrats if and when this passes, they needed us to get it over the finish line ultimately. thank you so much. and just moments ago, president joe biden expressed confidence about the future of the debt ceiling bill, take a listen. >> now, we're going to deal with the debt ceiling. we got -- i think things are going as planned god willing. i'll have -- i'll be landing in colorado tonight in preparation for my commencement speech at the air force academy tomorrow, and god willing by the time i land, congress will have acted, the house will have acted and we'll be one step closer. >> just so you know, the house is expected to convene about 15

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there was swift backlash when an airline asked passengers to step on a scale. as nbc's sam brock reports, it may not be what you're thinking. >> reporter: for millions of passengers taking to the skies every day, weighing luggage has

become about as routine as selecting your seat, picking out a snack or choosing an in-flight movie. >> seriously you can't be serious. >> reporter: passengers on international flights will also have the option to hop on the scale themselves before heading to their gate. the airline announcing a new voluntary anonymous survey that's designed to calculate the average weight of passengers over the next month. the goal, they say, is safety. >> it's a regulatory requirement for us to know the weight of everything that goes on the aircrafts. and there's a good reason for that. >> reporter: industry experts say knowing how much everything weighs on board, including fuel, baggage, passengers and more helps plains to fly nor efficiently while remaining balanced. according to air new zealand, the scales on the airport will not display any passenger's weight, and all of the data will be fed directly into a computer and recorded anonymously along with thousands of other passengers, but despite all of that reassurance, some americans

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>> reporter: sam broc