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debt ceiling deal is reached. there are many moving parts. we have details on to phone calls happening as both sides iron out the details. congressman, richie torres, from new york, joins me for moments when we break down what we know. good day from msnbc world headquarters in new york, welcome to alex witt reports. i'm in for alex today. we begin with breaking news. a lock happening on capitol hill this hour. white house officials and house republicans are preparing for a call any minute now. their calls between president biden and speaker kevin mccarthy. house republicans are than expected to release the full text of the debt ceiling agreement negotiated by both sides. at five p m today, democrats will get a briefing on the agreement from white house officials. here is some of what both sides say is in the deal. it raises the debt ceiling until 2025. it cuts 1.5 trillion and

spending. it increases defense spending. as new work requirements for some government programs, and parents back irs funding. >> you fully fund the veterans, you fully fund the feds, but you take that non-defense spending all the way back to the 2022 levels. now you get work requirements for where the democrats they say is a red line. >> the bag continues on both sides of for why there it could pass the. house republican members are already expressing frustration on social media. they're calling it a four trillion-dollar debt ceiling increase with virtually no cuts. several are saying they plan to vote no, while progressive democrats also aren't happy. >> we may not have enough to get to 18, because i think there will be some of that support. >> i'm not happy with some of the things i'm hearing. >> do they still have to worry about the progressive caucus and whether or not your congress will support? >> yes. >> okay, thank you so much.

>> yes, they have to worry. >> democrat, james clyburn, says he took the call from president biden, and they talked about the republicans push for work require minutes. >> we asked exactly why he was calling. i talk to him. i did talk about the spending. when i talk to him about staff. because snap was very important to me, it's very important to our caucus. >> the deal has to pass the senate to, but senator chris murphy said moments ago, an inside but jim psaki, that the house is a bigger concern. >> i think that there is a to default. you already seen the >> in the house or senate? >> mostly in the freedom caucus already rallying the troops against, you know -- my worry is that might not be enough republicans in the house to get this deal

done. >> we have reporters in place on capitol hill, and at the white house covering all of the back and forth. we are going to start with nbc's julia tsirkin on capitol hill. julie, what can you tell us here about what is in this bill, and what needs to happen before the treasuries june 15th default deadline. >> was in the steel depends on who you ask. to be clear, lindsey, both sides, the white house and republicans, are trying to spin this a little bit in their favor. they had to make concessions, both republicans and democrats, to make the point where they are in now. to announce this agreement in principle. we spoke to speaker mccarthy moments ago outside of his office. he took many questions from reporters. most importantly, he pushed back on this idea that conservative members of his conference are walking at the steel. he says he is 95% of his members in agreement. i have to tell, you just by talking to members last night, after that 9:30 call with all republican members, senate leadership, walking through step-by-step what this bill entails, they aren't too happy with this. they think that the savings on

this are tepid. 1.5 trillion dollars, as you mentioned, as opposed to that nearly five trillion dollars that was originally in the house republican bell. mccarthy pushed back on that. take a listen to what he said. afterwards, the house democratic leader on the flip side. watch. >> we did a conference call that conference. over 95%, were overwhelmingly acceptable what they've seen. they're getting the text today, the process. look, every single negotiation, when it comes to debt ceiling and others, you get both sides of the party voted to pass the bills. i expect the same thing. >> i do expect that there will be democratic support once we have the ability to actually be fully briefed by the white house. i won't predict what those numbers look like. we had to go through a process consistent with respecting every single member of the house of representatives, and their ability to fully understand the resolution that has been reached. >> lindsey, democrats are set

to speak with white house negotiators, white house officials, including the key white house official in the room negotiating this deal until the very last minutes. at 5:00 today. we expect members on the democratic side to press them with a lot of questions that they have. they're looking to their leaders for guidance here. just look to one democratic member, for example, rank-and-file, has been here for very long time. they told me they aren't even sure what they're going to do when it comes to this agreement. they really want to hear what the rest of their conference is going to say. when you look at this timeline,, right both sides are doing the vote counting, which is perhaps the hardest part of this. once they finally nailed down this agreement, the house is going to have to vote on this sometime ones day. that speaker mccarthy's plan. they're going to have to get called back on tuesday, giving them three days to read the bill, if that texas actually posted after mccarthy gets off the phone with the president. then it's going to the senate side, if and when it passes the house. we are to hearing discerns from some republicans, including those who supported president

trump, some who endorsed him already. you remember, trump told his members to hold strong on the steel, to allow it to fall to happen at the spending is not adequate enough. i'll tell, you asked mccarthy if you heard from the former president, no answer on that. >> julie tsirkin, thank you for chasing those last-minute details. joining me now is new york congressman, richie torres. democratic member of the house of financial service committee, and the select committee on china. thank you for being with us. i want to start with something speaker mccarthy is saying about the deal, listen. >> right now, the democrats are very upset. they told me, there's nothing in the bill for that. there's not one thing in the bill for democrats. >> congressman, is he wrong? >> well, any deal negotiated at hostage crisis is destined to be a raw deal. having said, that is clear to me that the president did the best he could to out-negotiate kevin mccarthy and the hostage takers.

republicans initially demanded a short term extension of the debt limit, the president secured a two-year extension, taking a plea on the 2024 presidential election. the republicans have announced a deal for spending cut, the president negotiated it two years. there were politicians negotiated to coney and spending cuts, not defense programs. the president negotiated to a spending freeze. the republicans originally demanded broad base where acquirement's, the president negotiated down to narrow requirements, and hopefully these are requirements that are narrow to the point of nothingness. the bottom line is that the president was extraordinarily effective at lowering the republican ransom note. >> i want to get to some of the specifics in a second, but what you know right now, all what is it in the, i know have to read the full tax, it also, based on where your eye with your feelings, where things stand, will you vote to pass the deal on what you're seeing today?

>> i want to be careful not to publicly attach myself to a position before receiving a -- the basin agreement appears to be the very definition of a compromise. a compromise that either side wants, but both sides can live with. i think the majority of democrats and republicans, and both the house and senate, will pass the compromise, and we will avert to default. >> we have seen how some a house freedom caucus members have whole help things up, do you think that they will make noise about this and draw this process out as well? >> it's not clear to me that there was ever going to be an agreement that would be wholly acceptable to the freedom caucus. the house freedom caucus exists of arsonists who are intended bring down the american economy, the lives of were tire meant security with 100 million americans. you cannot placate the -- whatever compromise emerges was never going to be acceptable to

the freedom caucus. >> congressman, let's talk about some of these work requirements. you have expressed concern about people under the age of 54 who have no, kids who have seen changes to their food stamp benefits. you say your district is one of the poorest in america, but you're also saying that it's been narrowed to the point of nothingness. you just told me that a few seconds ago. who were you worried about being negatively impacted by this? >> it's just, there is a lot of clarity. people in mind that almost all the recipients of snaps are the disabled, senior citizens, families with children. all of whom will continue to receive snap without work requirements, and actually, the president, to his credit, secured eligibility expansions for veterans, and homeless people. so that was definitely a win. i don't know, it's not clear the number of people will be affected by the new work requirements. it seems pretty narrow. i certainly would prefer an agreement with no work

requirements, because it make the program less effective. the republican position on the debt seems to be nothing more than racist scapegoating and stereotyping of poor people. the republicans falsely accused poor people of cheating, enough gaming the system, while enabling rich people to cheat and game the system. the republicans are going to divert $10 million away from irs tax enforcement, which will lead to more tax avoidance, and more tax trading, less tax revenue, and more debt. so i just find the position of the republican party to be morally bankrupt. >> congressman, in the white house talking points, this says that it keeps him plays the presidents plan to provide student debt relief for hardworking borrowers recovering from a once in a generation pandemic. the budget agreement an end to the pause which the administration's plan to end in september 1st. congressman, what's your understanding here of what changes for students who owe money on their student loans

who are watching right now? do you see the president's plan to forgive student debt up to 20,000 not being impacted by this, an extension we, there isn't much of a change, because they were likely going to have to start repaying by september 1st anyway? >> it seems to me that the president was protecting most of his executive and legislative achievements, including the student debt relief program. the program faces an existential threat from the supreme court, so my concern is not what house republicans, it's what the right wing which already in the supreme court will do. i worry that the supreme court will strike down the presidents plan. >> what happens if that happens? >> the borrowers lose relief. if they were to strike down the student loan plan is unconstitutional, then that's a violation of the doctrine, the students will lose relief. that's going to have devastating consequences for the people i represent who are struggling with debt in the

context of higher education. >> so no recourse. there congressman, we covered a lot of ground. thank you for joining us today. >> absolutely. >> it was republican versus republican deep in the heart of texas yesterday. the end, of what to impeach. that just a beginning. we'll be back in 60 seconds. bk acin 60 seconds. game. show us how stephen. italian style capicola brings sweet heat to subs like supreme meats. is it hot in here or is it just me? it's definitely not you. no, it's me. try the subway series menu. their tastiest refresh yet. bug spray works best... when your family actually wears it. ♪♪ get odor-free eight hour protection from mosquitoes and ticks without the ick. zevo on-body repellent. people love it. bugs hate it.

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a lot of allies, including his wife. >> yeah, lindsey, well the attorney general, ken paxton, is hitting back at those republicans who voted overwhelmingly to impeach him. he tweeted, calling this impeachment illegal, unethical, and highly than just. he has said that this was a case that was based almost entirely on hearsay, and gossip. after listening to four hours of presentations, and debate, the house ultimately decided to move forward with those 20 articles of impeachment, and what we heard from the republicans who oversaw that house investigation was a detailed account of what they described as the years of misconduct. now, ken paxton has been a champion of republican and conservative values, and policies, over the years. in fact, he led the effort to overturn the 2020 election. those house republicans said that while they may support his policies, no one is above the

law. i want to play a little bit about what the vice chair of that investigative committee, and johnson, and had to say on the floor yesterday. >> neither this is going to be the beginning of the end of his criminal rain, for god help us with the harms that will come to all texans if he is allowed to stay the top cop on the -- >> and there were even more allegations been lodged against paxton yesterday. lawmakers saying that he had been calling them on the house floor, preparing to take that vote, vowing political retribution if they voted to impeach him. we also heard from republicans who were against this impeachment, saying the process had been, russian the mastication flawed. ultimately, those articles are heading to the texas senate. they are likely that the governor will call a special session, and that's when we will see this trial take place in the coming weeks and months. as you mention, ken paxton's

wife is among the senators who will be deciding his case, and there are 19 republicans, and 12 democrats in the senate. they will need a two thirds vote in order for this impeachment to move forward. a bit more of a battle ahead in the senate, if this impeachment is to go all the way. lindsey. >> okay, priscilla thompson, thank you. new reaction from sunday talk shows about the two words that have consumed washington for weeks. plus, the one legal move that could signal apprehension for donald trump's lawyers, as the mar-a-lago documents case suddenly gets more alarming. alarming. and saved $652. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. with the money we saved, we thought we'd try electric unicycles. whoa! careful, babe! saving was definitely easier. hey babe, i think i got it! it's actually... whooooa! ok, show-off! help! oh!

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agreement between republicans and the white house on raising the debt ceiling. we're expecting, before the end of this, our a phone call between president biden, house speaker kevin mccarthy. well surrogates battle for public opinion on which side got the better of negotiations. >> when you've got an administration in the future who announces a massive new rule that costs money, i think joe biden, a 600 billion dollar forgiveness give away, it administration is not going to be able to do that in the future without stepping forward to find the dollars in the bureaucracy. it is a big win for republicans. >> president biden has delivered a result that avoids a catastrophic to fault, that prevents us from our economy crashing, and stop the extreme maga republicans from

triggering a drop kill in recession. >> joining me now, abc's allie raffa at the white house, new york times congressional reporter, luke broad bakr. so, first, you ali, what more can you tell us about this phone call just before two p.m.? >> yeah, lindsey, just even though it tentative deal has been, reach no official public deal has been released. the race to really get this across the finish line before that default deadline, an estimate of june 5th, is really just beginning. we know this deal was agreed between house speaker kevin mccarthy, and president biden over the phone last night. there is set to have another call shortly, once the president returns here to the white house after attending his grand daughters have a school graduation. mccarthy told reporters outside's office this morning that this coal is really to just finalize the last details of this deal before it is posted, and made public. this would then trigger the 72-hour review period that lawmakers will have that sets

up that earliest house vote on wednesday. lindsey, even after the contours of this deal were released to these lawmaker shortly after it was announced last night, we are starting to see criticism from both sides of the aisle, to their concessions made by both sides on the steel. things like those added work requirements to some of those federal relief programs, cuts to iris funding that were included in the inflation reduction act. others, like democratic congressman, jim clyburn, a longtime ally of president biden, have said that there has always been a need for bipartisan compromise here. take a listen to what he had to say this morning. >> and these kinds of negotiations, nobody gets all of what they want. i do know that my staff has been informing me this morning of what is in it, what's out of it, and i am very comfortable that we can get to a place on

both sides of the aisle. we hear so much about what's happening to our veterans who are finding themselves in need of snap programs, we are expanding than that. we're spending -- what joe biden has done, at the same time, he's compromising. >> the challenge for both parties is going to be selling the steel to enough other members to shore up enough support to guarantee this passes and both the house and the senate before june 5th and we know the white house officials republican officials are going to be working the phones all day and over the next few days to get through that. >> thank you so. much one of the paragraphs in your article about this includes this quote. they are looking for significant borrowing costs in order to lift the limit.

we're already in a rival. to our? they docking usual suspects. those we've heard one in the past? what do you think the center is large enough to shore passage? >> you know they're probably aren't too many surprises when it comes to the right wing of the house freedom caucus that is most opposed to the steal. we're seeing certain lawmakers posing abominable og on twitter, or declare all out war against this deal. they really think that they got republicans did not get very much for this in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. that they should've held out much longer. there is now talk about using the three votes on the rules committee to try to block it from going to the floor. kevin mccarthy didn't seem too worried about that when i asked today about that, but, you can expect to see several dozen of the members of the hard right

in the house of those in the deal. i don't know if it'll be enough votes to really block anything, but they will certainly raise hell, and make kevin mccarthy's life more miserable. >> the president's statement says that the agreement protects congressional democrats key legislative accomplishments. what did the president most want to protect? is that the case, or other priorities that were lost in the compromise? >> the most important thing is avoiding a catastrophic default. to get the republicans to raise the debt ceiling is a big win for the presidents, by itself. there were certain members of the republican congress who will never vote for debt ceiling increase. so that is something for him, and for the country. the things that he did, got away with a few things. the democrats are not happy about what they're hearing about work requirements. we haven't seen all the technical details of some of

this, exactly what the language says, the text that the bill hasn't been released yet. there are some things that democrats are mad about in the steel, and, you know, you heard democrats already this morning saying, we didn't advance in a democratic priorities in this republican picked up ground in certain areas and all we're getting as to avoid economic collapse. it's not as though the democrats advance some agenda here. they're just avoiding catastrophe. and that regard, some democrats feel that the hostage take gain and the republicans was a way for the republicans. >> on that note, let's hear from republican congress leader. >> do they still have to worry about the progressive caucus and whether or not your caucus will support -- >> yes. >> congresswoman, jayapal, thank you. >> are there are enough members

in the middle to take some of the extremes out of the equation? >> there are members of the caucus, if they vote against a, that's a lot of votes. it's the house congress votes against, that you can see how it gets dicey to try to pass this bill. that said, the president got a big win today when the new democrats endorse this deal. that's about 100 votes right there. we need to get to 2:18. if kevin mccarthy can deliver more than 100 republicans, there are the votes. he did say that he believes the hill have 95% of republicans with him. you can see how hard they're selling this with their leadership team going out and really making the sales pitch. >> all right, thank you so much for joining us. the rush begins, this was expected to be the third busiest memorial day travel weekend in more than two

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nbc, he's melissa -- is in los angeles international airport to break it all down. marissa, i wasn't pence a chenin farai. it was nuts. i know tuesday, it's supposed to be the busiest return day. what are you seen? >> yeah, you bring up a really good point. all forms of travel are up this year, lindsey, planes, trains, automobiles. i, mean take a look at these numbers here. you can see that the difference between this year, memorial day weekend, and last, year's and the millions. this is interesting, travel by air is the only one expected to be higher this year than before the pandemic in 2019. we spoke to a aaa spokesperson about this, he said the bottom families are feeling like, with all the delayed vacations during covid, and all the restrictions that have been lifted, really, they've had time to save, and they're really feeling like this is the year, this is the summer, to go out and see the country, on the world. >> what's really different is that the number of people who are not just traveling to our national parks, or to see friends and family, are the

cities here in the u.s., but the number of people who are traveling internationally. according to aaa booking data, international trips in this memorial day will be up to hundred and 50% compared to last year. european cities topping the list of destinations. london, paris, madrid, barcelona, athens, and dublin. >> i want to talk about gas prices for a second, because we know that traveling by the road is always the most popular form of travel for all of the holidays. gas prices are cheaper this year than this time last year, remember last summer that got up to five and a half dollars. the good news is we're not trending in that same direction right now. we talk about airline prices, those are up from last year. clearly, that's not impacting ticket, sales lindsey. l.a., we're talking about how busy this airport is. they actually just broke a single day record in this world. 224,000 travelers in one day. that was on thursday.

we're expecting 1.2 million throughout the holiday weekend. records already been set, lindsey, just expected to be a very busy travel summer. if you're out there, don't expect to be the only one. >> smart. melissa, thank you. newly-disclosed reportings of donald trump in an unidentified witness will now be among the trove of evidence presented by prosecutors in new york and the hush money trial against the former president next year. the revelation come in the same day that trump made a virtual appearance in a manhattan court about a protective order barring him from speaking publicly about the evidence. joining me now is charles, the rights attorney, and msnbc legal analyst. charles, always good to see you. former trump lawyer, michael lauren, he's a key witness in this case. he released a secret audio recording of a discussion we had with trump about the hush money payments back in 2016. it's unclear if the recording refer to the court filing. do you get a sense that the corny may improve once shared by cohen?

>> i do, lindsay. i think this is information that is going to be important for either side, i'll explain why. if you are the prosecutor, obviously, you are looking at this as a former prosecutor myself, i can tell you, as the piece is going to cooperate michael cohen's testimony that's going to cooperate, independently, anything they may hear. the jury, that, is about what took place between donald trump, his instructions, as well as his knowledge around these hush money payments. however, if you are the defense attorney, if you are the attorney for donald trump, you are going to be using this as a means of trying to discredit michael cohen because, whichever one usain, basically is, why would an attorney be recording his own clients. basically trying to paint michael cohen out of somebody who is always trying to take advantage of donald trump, and someone who's trying to make a profit off of the former president. i think that it will be interesting to see how this the piece of evidence plays out, because it's something that i think both sides will be arguing very differently in front of the jury.

>> the addendum to this filing is eye catching. it's a list of books before, during, and after, the trump presidency. what we'll do expect this to play in the trial? >> it remains to be seen. i think when you're talking about these kinds of evidence, in these pieces of evidence, a lot of people need to understand that it's going to be a function of the judge, and what the judge binds to be relevant. just because something is used during discovery, just because something is listed in a pleading, or filing, by a party, does not mean that is going to get in front of the jury. both sides will be making arguments as to the relevance, or lack thereof, of each of these pieces of evidence. especially when you're talking about things that were written either before, or certainly, long after the presidency. their relevance is going to be highly scrutinized, in a test that the judge is going to ply,, lindsey is one of prejudice, versus, basically, is a prejudicial, or is it -- a value greater than the prejudice that might come against either party if it is

to be admitted? that is how that's going to play out. ultimately, that's up to the judge to decide. >> charles, i want to talk to you about some new reporting this week from washington post. you're familiar with the matter, saying two of donald trump's employees moved boxes of papers the day before in early june visit by fbi agents and prosecutor. the post reports this is suspicious to investigators, it could be an indication of possible obstruction. charles, we should mention this is after the doj said the president a subpoena for records. what might investigators be honing in on with this detail? say for the sake of arguments, this could potentially move to a more secure location? >> well, lindsey, everything about what we're talking about with mar-a-lago comes down to the timeline. the timeline is what is going to demonstrate donald trump's intense. when we're talking about the difference between documents that should not have been in a particular residence, the difference between donald trump having documents, mike pence have been documents, and joe

biden having documents, the big conversation is really about the intention that donald trump had in terms of not turning over those documents, and not allowing investigators to have access to those documents, even when they sought to come to mar-a-lago and get them from his possession. that timeline becomes extremely important. if you're talking about what happened here on june 2nd, right before you had the federal agency, as well as the representative from the doj, come to mar-a-lago on june 3rd, you have donald trump instructed from people at mar-a-lago to move these boxes. as we understand, at this may not have been the first time, or the only time, that he's instructed them to move the boxes. when you're talking about that. it really lays plane for the audience, the jury, we, the ventral jury, rather what donald trump's intention was in terms of keeping the grand jury, i'm sorry, keeping it from the investigators were looking to recover those documents. >> all right, i gotta be quick with you, but trump shared this letter from his attorneys to

a.g. merrick garland, asking for a meeting to discuss jack smith's investigation. how unusual is this? >> extremely unusual. he loved to meet with the attorney general. of course, it's important to understand that we're talking about the former president here, so everything about this is unusual. it is not uncommon that the defense attorneys will seek to meet prosecutors to work out a deal, or work out some thing to keep applying for being indicted. i don't know how successful this would be but, i suspect that they will go up the letter as far as they can to try to stave off the announcement of an indictment, where the proceeding of the prosecution. i don't think they will be successful, but of course, in the situation, the most unusual thing about, it, lindsay is that you usually don't have a client who puts of this kind of letter to the public on social media about this. >> all, right charles coleman, thank you for your time. the messaging fight in the debt ceiling deal, who is looking like a winner? next. ner? next it grows grass 2 times faster than just seed alone.

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because democratic votes will be needed. mccarthy had a call with his caucus last night. ultimately, in the big picture, lindsey, this debt limit, the substance of it will really be going out with a whimper. there is not a lot there from mccarthy to get excited about, and honestly, a huge win for joe biden. democratic priorities around medicaid, infrastructure, the environment, the iris, student loan debt, all of those remain largely untouched. spending will continue to rise from those federal programs. mccarthy, right, now he knows that he will lose a good part of the congress. it's not about supporting the votes with the debt limit bill, or speaker, sorry, for the speaker. it is about keeping his votes for the speakership. lindsey, we are one stray ember away from kevin mccarthy speakership been in trouble because the revolt of the hard right in this congress, on this that limit, is a real, and it's just beginning. >> do you agree here that this is a win for the president? he's been saying this whole time, clean desolate in, crease no strings attached. is there a concern that there

were too many concessions given? >> there are certainly a concern. obviously, this needs to move forward, but this is why so many of us were afraid of just how much kevin riccardi gave up with his caucus to win that speaker see. look, where he's looking, there's real consequences for real people. we're talking about increasing the age limit for, the age requirement, rather, for work requirements when it comes to food stamps, snap, and other support systems. these are real people who already have difficulty getting the kind of money that they need through the door to keep food on the table. increasing those work requirements is incredibly telling in terms of the kinds of power that the far-right wing of mccarthy's party have been given in the stat ceiling talks. i think that he is going to want to actually promote that with his caucus, and those are very terrifying things for a lot of us on the left who want to make sure that the work requirements that are already really dangerous don't get worse. >> susan, what's your take away

here and not just the deal but the messaging coming out of it? we have seen surrogates flooding the airwaves today. >> yes, the messaging is so unfortunate. instead of both sides saying, it's a win, it's a win for america, this is what we get to kyiv, from being on the positive side, which is what we used to see many years ago, now it's all about making the other side look bad, and wrong with the deal they breached. who is actually a good thing that they got the steal. we didn't have altered our debt. mccarthy's city -- they don't get one thing they wanted. that's just of noxious spin to be perfectly blunt. that is just him trying to show off to his conservative may go right, that's abrams talking about, that we got everything we wanted, and they did it. the same thing when we got to the democrats coming back. instead of praising joe, biden he's the one who would've gotten this if we had to fall to. let's be honest, it's the

president, it's always the president, it falls in his, lab or hopefully, one, day of her lap. it is, it just could be a win. here's the crux of it, lindsey. if at the end of the day since catastrophe didn't happen, people aren't going to remember this past next tuesday. >> well,, david you are nodding their, do you want to react to that as well? well going to show you how some republicans are already reacting on social media. per your point, in your last comment, this is less about the debt ceiling increase and more about the speaker maintaining the gavel. how will those embers get them to stay in line? >> look, i think we need to look very closely at those ten or 12 members that could topple kevin mccarthy and see if they act rationally and realize that toppling a speaker might be smart if they don't know what comes next, or, at this is their moment. you know, kevin mccarthy had

promised that he would shepherd through hard conservative agenda on the stat ceiling vote, and he did not. also, in the big picture, the reason why i think susan is right, that actually doesn't playable selections. it's just not an issue. people have an opinion about that doesn't form their vote. nothing about this bill will be reducing the debt. it's still going to continue to spend more money, it's going to balance the budget. that hard by caucus is saying, we really didn't get anything out of this, i think conservative media also has the decision in this moment. is this the moment they go for our kevin mccarthy? this is the lens through which this vote needs to be. seeing the votes will be there to pass, the republicans the democrats are disgruntled, they'll, do it this now becomes a political story for speaker mccarthy. >> susan, as you're nodding your head, we'll get you in one second. brittani, president biden promised to relieve student, that republicans say that they one bag on restarting student loan payments, the white house that they were already planning to put it into the pause and september 1st. this just codifies it into law.

ultimately, do you worry about students having to start these repayments? do you worry,, also about president's overall debt forgiveness plan? >> i mean there are serious concerns that remain. we know that there are over 20 million people who applied for that $20,000 of debt relief. we are not talking about forgiveness. we're talking about relief, right? we're talking about ensuring that americans, in the graduate from, college can actually start their careers, their lives there, families, in an upward way. i continue to be concerned about the plan overall. i'm glad to see the relief that has come so far. but we know that this is relief that republicans are ensuring is challenged in the courts. the kind of relief that has been promised thus far may not even be on the cusp. there needs to be a more robust deal, and more long term deal, that really looks at the mountains of debt that are disproportionately carried by marginalized people in this country, because we're not talking about restarting an economy when none of us can afford to live in this country. >> before we let all of you, go

we need to talk about some of the big political news that happened this week that is, of, course governor ron desantis jumping into the 2024 arena. he is now embarking on quite the tour here. i have -- 12 stops, ooze, and after the rollout does he have ground to make, up for tech issues, and how he announced that matter at this point? >> well i think he had ground to make up before, and he continues to have the announcement really did not, obviously, go well. it was worth a shot. people aren't going to remember that as much as they're going to remember him on the ground, in those early states. there is a lot of ground to make up. brittani pac-man cunningham, susan depot ceo. wish we had more time. we will have to leave it there. thank you. all that does it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. i'm lindsay reiser. yasmin vossoughian continues our coverage. yasmin vossoughian continues our coverage