>> that is tonight's last word. 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts right now. >> tonight, clashes on capitol hill. at the so-called weaponization hearing, republicans spent the day questioning questionable witnesses. democrats called it a clearinghouse for testing conspiracy theories for donald trump. then, disney raising the stakes in the feud with ron desantis,

scrapping a billion dollar development in florida. the impact it could have on his upcoming presidential run. a major settlement between deutsche bank and jeffrey epstein's victims. we will break down what it all means and who could be paying, next, as the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night. good evening, once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. partisan fireworks erupted on capitol hill earlier today, in a hearing for the so-called weaponization of government committee, which of course is led by ohio republican jim jordan. the witnesses were three self-described fbi whistleblowers who jordan and his fellow republicans said would show that the fbi was biased against the right. and we see reports that, yesterday, the fbi warned jordan in a letter that two of

these three witnesses, quote, lost their security clearances because of their conduct in january 6th cases brought into question their allegiance to the united states. that didn't stop jim jordan. the hearing went on exactly as planned, and it was clear, from the start, exactly where both sides stood. >> politics is driving the agenda in federal agencies. maybe what is just as frightening, is if you are one of the good employees and our government who come forward to talk about that targeting, you then become a target. you face retaliation. >> my colleagues on the far-right are on a mission to attack, discredit, and ultimately dismantle the fbi. the select committee is a clearinghouse for testing conspiracy theories for donald trump to use in his 2024 presidential campaign. this is not a committee on the weaponization of government, this is a committee for the weaponization of government. >> it was a big show. the hearing escalated one democrats on the committee went after republicans for refusing to share earlier testimony from one of the three witnesses. >> well you gave us a copy of that testimony that was transcribed, if your discussions with him? >> i'll be after mr. allen. >> you are in possession of them, aren't you? >> sure are. >> why wouldn't you give them to us? >> he's the whistleblower, he didn't want it -- >> but he's comfortable here and in an open discussion with us today? >> sure is.

asking questions if you want. >> you don't share your information with the minority? >> the whistleblower doesn't make committee rules -- >> only some members of the committee get it? another flash point, jim jordan's decision to call these witnesses whistleblowers. >> mister chairman, these individuals have been determined to not -- these are not whistleblowers. they've been determined by the agency not to be whistleblowers. are you deciding that they are whistleblowers?

>> yes, the law decides. didn't you listen to mr. levitz testimony -- the law decides they are whistleblowers. >> this attorney is asserting -- >> gentlelady from new york -- gentlelady from new york has been recognized. >> the law has not determined they are whistleblowers. this attorney is just asserting that. >> as i said, a big old show. with that, let's get smarter the help of our lead off panel. it's a great one. olivia beavers, congressional reporter for politico, former u. s. attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor, but tonight she is spending it right here with me at 30 rock. and -- joins us, former fbi assistant director for counter intelligence. frank, this is your agency. it seems like the fbi weighed some pretty clear warning flags, red flags, about these witnesses. jim jordan said, i want them to testify anyway. as a former agent, what is your take? >> as a former agent, and someone who cares deeply about a great institution, i saw that spectacle today and didn't see valid whistleblowers. look, the real facts here, not the fiction that jim jordan was trying to propagate today are contained in an 11-page letter issued by the fbi in response to jordan, last night he gets this letter and all the facts are there about the real reasons why these employees had their security clearances revoked. it is a damning letter. the facts, not the fiction, but the facts are damning. we are talking about an fbi agent and analysts who refused to do their job.

they said i'm not going out on that arrest. i objected to that arrest, by the way a valid court authorized arrest warrant of a dangerous wanted person. someone going in after hours into the fbi system, using an unauthorized flash drive and extracting sensitive information, and analyst who decided he would lie to an agent, and say i can't find anything, publicly available, about this defendant who was at the capitol on january 6th. another analyst says, wait, there's easily accessible public information showing this guy was inside the capitol. they find out he assaulted police officers. he was obstructing this investigation. so, they decided in the revocation of clearances, included a lack of allegiance to the united states of america, lack of candor during an investigation, and refusing to do your job, violating security procedures with information technology systems. these aren't whistleblowers, they've not come forward with the protected disclosure of waste fraud or criminal wrongdoing. they're not happy with their allotted life, and my message

to them, and the most agents message to them, if you can't uphold your of, that you swear to, if you don't like the law enforcement mission of the fbi, there are thousands of people waiting to become fbi employees. step out and we will replace you. >> how rare is it to revoke someone's clearance when you're in the fbi? what does it mean when it happens? >> yeah, i've had, well, just so people understand, so i feel a lot of questions on social media, how come it was only a revocation of clearances? why weren't they fired? >> let's understand something, every fbi employee regardless of their position requires a top secret clearance. if your clearance is revoked, you are out. you are dismissed. you have an appeal to doj, hey, i don't like the way revoked my clearance, but once doj says you are revoked, you are out of a job. it's rare. it's rare, but interestingly, in the fbi's letter, responding to jim jordan, they note a spike in the revocation or suspension of clearances in the last couple of years. that is a clue that there is more than just these employees

that we are aware of that they're having issues. with >> joyce, i want to go deeper on what frank touchdown for a moment. the term whistleblowers. right and left are arguing about how we are classifying these three witnesses. >> right, so, frank gets it right here. whistleblowers are people who work for an agency and come forward to record a number of things. they can report illegal contact, they could report fraud, they could report waste. they are these specified categories. but they can't do is come forward and say i don't want to work on this investigation i was ordered to work on. somehow, claiming the protections that come with whistleblower status. these are people who are revealing important secrets that are held internally by the fbi, and in this case, it seems very likely that some of what they've disclosed has to do

with active, ongoing cases, and that is limited and rightfully so to these clear situations where there is a form of corruption inside of an agency that needs to be disclosed. these sorts of disclosures, what's going on here, this is just pandering. this is political theater. this has nothing to do with trying to pick something that's broken inside of an agency. >> olivia, what do you think republicans are trying to accomplish here? joyce is telling us it's just political pandering. >> i mean, republicans have been talking about this investigation for a while. here, you saw them trying to paint the fbi in a negative light. it's something i've seen since i've been reporting on the hill since around 2018.

there was the fisa investigation, it happens to build on what their base believes, which is this deep conspiracy about how government works, and people who are in it, and running, it and so you saw them trying to spin the narrative that these people were kicked out because they have conservative views, and, you know, one of the witnesses testifying, the whistleblower's, as they were calling him, steve france, and i thought he was particularly interesting to watch. first, republicans would start questioning him, and he'd say, you tried to raise concern to your experience, did it in the proper channels and retaliated against that. and then come back and say, well, you had sputnik input properly, we saw your tweet urging local sheriffs, not to cooperate with their fbi

anymore. you were completely attacking the entire integrity of the fbi. why should we be listening to you as you are testifying now, saying you don't deserve this? watching them unfold, it's sort of an interesting case study on who they decided to present today. >> you know who doesn't deserve this? the good men and women in the fbi. what are people inside the bureau telling you, frank? these are your colleagues? >> they are so dismayed by the state of society today, and the way they're being perceived, and they feel like it is a damp if you do, jammed if you don't scenario. the maga crowd has been screaming that if the -- partisan and all the decision-making now somehow a biased toward the left, and against the maga movement. here, we've got three witnesses today, fbi employees, who've been disciplined because they chose to insert their politics into their job performance, and

yet they are heroes to the far-right. you can't win in this scenario. they are concerned about long term damage here. >> you know who is concerned? who is fired, up and clearly screaming and yelling? our former colleague and contributor, dan goldman, who is basically losing it over the fact jim jordan was unwilling to share the earlier testimony of one of those witnesses with fellow members of the committee, even a fox news legal analyst said it makes no sense. watch this. >> you are talking -- at the point of this press conference, the point of this hearing is to talk about how the fbi is politicized. do you think it's appropriate for some of these whistleblowers, including two who will be at your hearing today to be paid by one of the former presidents closest

advisers who's actively -- >> how are they supposed to feed their family? of course they're going to do whatever they can to feed their family. i don't fault them. >> it is unusual to have a testimonial transcript generated from that, and have the other side both not present and not give them a copy of what the testimony is. >> we just aired a one-two punch. first, we're learning one of these witnesses is getting paid by someone tied to donald trump. jim jordan's answer, they've got to make money somewhere. that's a ridiculous category, a, and be, it's a fox news legal analyst saying it makes no sense. that's rare. >> i think they're exactly on point, right? you know, here's the situation where people don't want to disclose witness testimony, it's one of their afraid of it, right? something in the transcript that doesn't serve jim jordan's interest, and dan goldman, our former colleague, also a former federal prosecutor, someone who knows how to read the law, reads into committee hearing, the rule, the rule 11, which says you've got to make a record, and you've got to make it available to every sitting member of congress.

>> what are the consequences for jim jordan, right? dan goldman laying it out, saying, i'm sorry, we're on the committee, it doesn't just go to some of you, but right now, it is, jim jordan is telling him to pounce off. >> it's the existential question of these times, right? what happens to people who won't follow the rule of law? are we still a rule of law country, or aren't we? this jim jordan getaway with these kinds of shenanigans? if you're sitting in congress, it looks like this, you are thinking about not pushing the rules to fire. when you are no longer the party in power, you don't want the other side treating you that way. the question is much larger than this back and forth in congress. it's a question of whether we still follow fundamental rules of fairness in this country or not. today, jim jordan did not.

>> frank, jim jordan doesn't appear to be changing his tune. >> i think, you know, you mentioned one of the consequences for jim jordan, one of the consequences, repeatedly, for everything going on right now, the durham report which really fell flat, now this subcommittee falling flat, it's really the transparent and blatant attempt to discredit institutions, particularly the fbi, and why would that be? let me solve the mystery for you. they are concerned about where the fbi is going with investigations, particularly special counsel jack smith's investigations, of their leader, trump, and others even like them, even perhaps them, and if so, if they discredit the institution that is investigating them, and they end up charged, arrested, indicted, they could say, look, the fbi is biased, we told you about that. >> imagine if we've got to go to work every day and run in really, really expensive circles, and get absolutely nothing done, and i guess that's what it's like if you're in a government. i have a few other topics they want to cover before i let you three go. olivia, what can you tell us about the debt limit negotiations going on? that will impact all of us. >> absolutely. you know, i think there is a sign of optimism on the capitol in the past two days. mccarthy saying he sees a plan, there is a structure, those were the words he was using, i asked if he meant whether that was a framework. e declined to say. democrats, house democrats in particular, and senate democrats might be upset to know there seems to be efforts

by the white house to find some cuts, some requirements for certain emergency aid with the temporary assistance for needy families. it doesn't look like there's going to be s. n. a. p. , but the white house is, potentially, entertaining cuts their, or, excuse me, requirements. we aren't really hearing a ton more in terms of what this agreement might look like. we do know that people that president biden has tapped leading the negotiations are receiving praise from republicans, independents, democrats. there is a sign that these are the people at the table, they are the ones who can get something done. >> praise and some criticism, frank, i got a new topic for you. we learned today some pretty stunning new details about jack to share, or the guardsmen accused of leaking classified documents, prosecutors now say that this young man was repeatedly warned about how he

handled classified information, yet they didn't revoke his access. how does that happen? >> we learned this because prosecutors are saying this guy should not be released on bond. he is a danger to national security. they told the judge that is because he's been doing this even longer than we realized, stuffing notes in his pop ick, and been warned by his superiors to stop digging into classified information that he has no need to say. this was preventable, stephanie. it raises the questions of leadership, and whether or not it's bad leadership, just at this baseline, cape cod, or something that is pervasive throughout the air force, the national guard, or military at large. this was preventable. they were on notice he was a problem. they could've started monitoring his online activity,

it could've suspended him. that never happened. >> joyce, the judge has not yet ruled on whether he can be released on bond. he's back in court tomorrow. what do you think is going to happen? >> the standard here is whether to share is a flight risk or a danger to the community -- >> or both. >> right, you could have both, and that is the most powerful case for detention. in the federal system, there's definitely a preference for releasing people if a bond or custodian can ensure they will appear in court. here's the issue, the more information like this comes out, the more he does look like he could pose a continuing threat. when you have someone who's been told to cease and desist and stand down, and they don't follow those orders in an important area like national security, i think prosecutors do have the opportunity to suggest to the judge that he can't be released pending trial, whether the judge will do that or not is an entirely different question. it's something that has to be considered, very seriously, given this new evidence. >> he may not be going back to

his mother's house. olivia beavers, joyce vance, great to see you in person. frank, great to see you. when we come back, just as governor desantis prepares to announce a run for president, one of his states biggest, and dare i say, most beloved employers has pulled the plug on a billion dollar development. carlos curbelo and conor lamb are here on that. later, you don't want to go to bed early tonight. it is the most under reported story out there. chinese chemical companies, mexican drug cartels, and the deadly fentanyl crisis on u. s. soil. this is a story you cannot miss. the 11th hour is just getting underway on a thursday night. underway on a thursday night.

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governor ron desantis and the walt disney company is causing real consequences for the sunshine state. today, disney had announced it is pulling the plug on a one billion, billion with a b, billion dollar office development planned in orlando which would have brought 2000 jobs to the state of florida. in a memo, disney theme park and consumer products chairman cited, quote, changing business conditions and the return of ceo bob iger saying, quote, this was not an easy decision to make, but i believe it is the right one. we've got two former congressman here to break it all down. democrat conor lamb of pennsylvania and republican carlos curbelo of florida. carlos, how big of a hit is this for your state? disney is one of the most

significant employers already. that's what's going to bring about 2000 jobs. >> look, step, these political games, we are used to them. last couple decades, people do a lot of things to get a lot of attention to try to find a place in a primary that might be attractive. when people start getting hurt, then it's no longer funny. you know, this state became known during the pandemic has a place that was open for business, the state received a lot of new residents, a nod of new companies, but now, some of the governors policies are really scaring people away. this feud with disney has started looking quite petty, and it's turning people off, and in this case, it's going to cost florida billion dollars and 2000 jobs. we are living at a time of high inflation, floridians need more and better jobs. we're going to have less. this is bad news for the state, and i think it's bad news for the governor as he prepares to launch his presidential campaign. >> what floridians are saying, great move, governor. >> i haven't heard too many. i'm sure some of the people around the governor might be

saying that. but, look, even the former president, donald trump, has pretty much taken disney's side in this whole battle. he put out a statement a couple of weeks ago because it is perceived as such a weakness for desantis. so, you know, this is a governor who is kind of rethinking his whole political strategy, and we'll see if he changes course in the next week or two. for now, i think, this is bad news for the state, and people are going to use this against him in the primary campaign. >> he was riding high a few months ago, and now he is getting pumped by a mouse. connor, do you think ron desantis is going to end up regretting this fight? >> i don't know if he is capable of regarding it or not. he hasn't shown that kind of humility so far. i agree from you, from where i sit up in pennsylvania, it feels like he's arguing with a bunch of cartoon characters, you know? he's going to want to come to this state and win peoples votes. i'll tell you, having knocked on a lot of people's doors, met a lot of people over the last

five years, people save up their money here to go on vacation, to florida, to go to disney world, it's something they dream about doing with their kids, and sacrifice for. a barber in my loft is coming back from six days at disney, his kids are grown up, it's become a lifetime habit. it is a beloved brand appear, people have positive feelings about it. it seems silly to get on the wrong side of it, and to take away that many jobs. jobs mean a lot appear. the idea you'd have a president who would use his political ideology to sacrifice tens of thousands of jobs, i don't think it would play well in western pennsylvania. >> let's talk about that, connor. nbc news is reporting that it's been much anticipated, ron desantis is officially planning to announce his presidential campaign next week. normally, that's when you get this big boost of enthusiasm, fundraising dollars go through the roof, but it feels he's at a low point. how do you think this is going to go? >> it's hard to say. trump has, you know, found a way to dispatch a lot of people like him in the past. i kind of think, with this whole disney thing, it's showing ron desantis is

basically the republican version of an elitist. and his head, this whole thing about woke corporations makes a lot of sense, but to the average person out there, it really doesn't. they are just cartoons, it's a company that makes things kids likes to watch. so, i think trump has always been good at exploiting that another people when they are more in tuned to academic theories than to the common person. i wouldn't be surprised if we watched trump do that to desantis over the next few months. >> carlos, what do you think? it was a couple of months ago that sort of palm beach superrich wall street set where welcoming ron desantis, throwing big dollars at him, thrilled to be getting trump policies without the trump baggage. that's not what they've ended up getting with him. >> what happened with desantis's, you know, during

the pandemic, i think he carved out his own identity, and of course, some people really, you know, appreciated that. the last few months, steph, he has really kind of run a copycat campaign, saying, i am donald trump just a little different, we're a little better. in a race like this, when donald trump is essentially incumbent, even though he is not an office, you really have to make a compelling case for change if you are going to convince voters that they should go for you instead of for the incumbent. by saying, hey, i'm just a better version than trump, yeah, it's not really believable. people want to know who rhonda santas is, what he stands for,

what he believes, not just that he is going to ride the trump playbook into the white house. when trump is warning, right? the other problem he has, i think donald trump, his main goal might not be to win the primary, but to make sure rhonda santas does not. when your mentor is treating you that way, that's a difficult obstacle to overcome. >> yeah, when your mentor is out to get you, you've got a problem. connor, let's talk a debt ceiling. kevin mccarthy says he now sees a path to a deal. democrats are also showing optimism. from your experience, is it a good move to show your hand before you've got a deal done? they say they're making progress, and what's happening, the far-right and far left are getting mad. they're gearing up for a fight. >> that part of it tells me they're probably doing the right thing, whether it is the

right political thing to show your hand or not. it's hard to say. i do think this issue is so delicate for our economy, that it is appropriate to show your hand a little bit to give hope to the markets. you see the air coming out of the balloon a bit now. people seem a little bit less worried than they were before. we can't ever forget that real peoples well-being is on the line with things like that. they're not just numbers. you know? the availability of small businesses to get credit, for example, at the decisive moment when they need to expand or hire someone. that last person on the staff who might lose their job. i think that kind of stuff is implicated here. i'm happy the two sides are talking, even though it was this washington standard you couldn't negotiate anything around the time of the debt ceiling. it's not practical. >> not just access to credit for businesses, we are a country that lives on credit cards, all of that will get exponentially more expensive. connor, i want to ask you about the 14th amendment. more democrats, including john fetterman of pennsylvania, who has the seat you wanted, are calling on president biden to use the 14th amendment. this has never been done before. it is extreme.

if you were in that seat, if you were senator lamb, what would you be doing? >> i think i'd be very skeptical of that theory, not because i want us to cave on the debt ceiling. i think we should wipe out the debt ceiling as an issue. if you had to meet the coin, or whatever, that's fine. asking for litigation, putting forward a legal theory, asking it to be tied up in the courts, to your point you just made, that makes us look indecisive and unreliable, in a global sense. that's a huge problem for us. like you said, we do rely on people and institutions and countries around the world to and assess credit. i think the way the biden administration is being patient, and decisive, that's how they've approached a lot of issues. they don't always get credit for it, but it's paying off here. >> 14th amendment and a court battle?

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my alma mater, agreed to pay a whopping $75 million to settle a lawsuit brought by some victims of jeffrey epstein. my colleague, laura jarrett, has the details. >> tonight, a massive settlement, a major bank accused of bankrolling, convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein now compensating his victims. deutsche bank has agreed to pay $75 million to settle claims brought by an epstein survivor, accusing the bank of knowingly facilitating a sex trafficking operation in order to turn profits, enabling epstein's abuse for years. >> this is a watershed moment. >> -- represents the survivor going as jane though in court papers to protect her identity. >> it's these financial institutions who hold those purse strings, being held to account for their involvement. i would say there is more to come with respect to the epstein saga. >> the cement terms are still confidential, and deutsche bank has not publicly admitted any wrongdoing. it would not comment, but said the bank has made considerable progress in remedying a number of past issues. >> it previously faced a 150 million dollar fine by state regulators for failing to monitor its dealings with epstein. the former hedge fund manager was found dead in a manhattan prison back in 2019, weeks after being charged with abusing dozens of underage girls, many of whom have come

forward to tell their stories. >> i think everybody who knows something should say something. help us put the pieces of our lives back together because we are missing so much of it. >> back with us tonight, former wall street banker turned superstar journalist, my friend, bill cohen, a founding partner of pop news. bill, what do we need to know about this element besides, man, deutsche bank loves to find every sleazy customer out there and service them? >> well, the first thing, stephanie, i'm glad for the victims here. they finally are getting some justice. i, frankly, think deutsche bank got off easy, like 75 million is a lot of money, but, you know, they should have paid a lot more. these victims, frankly, should've gotten more. and deutsche bank it is probably a relatively small player in the epstein, how should we say, affair, that is still unfolding, with, you know,

my alma mater, jpmorgan chase, still, to be coming to terms with it, shall we say, and in the thick of it, frankly. >> let's talk about that. jp morgan, a much bigger counter party, a much bigger banker to jeffrey epstein. their ceo, jamie dimon, is going to be deposed. i spoke to the bank tonight, and they said, on the record, unequivocally, jimmy dimon, never met jeffrey epstein, never communicated with him, never played a role and irony ben's nest with him at anytime. however, getting deposed is a big, painful deal. and jamie dimon has -- israeli in the hot seat. what do you think is going to come of this? >> well, i'm not even want to beat the post. >> no one does, okay? like, in his defense, no one does. >> maybe donald trump likes it, i don't know -- >> no way. >> okay, i'm sure jamie isn't going to like it. he is a professional. he is going to be well advised

through that process. you know, i gather they've looked through 5 million documents to see if there's any name that links jamie and jeffrey epstein together. suppose they don't find any thing. i suspect jamie will get through it fine. i'm not sure about some of the other executives of the bank, four former executives of the bank. >> jeff staley. >> not to name any names. i think this jeffrey epstein situation remains toxic, stephanie. three years after -- >> four. four years after his death, and we still don't know the damage, we don't even know that details, we don't know all the names. >> correct. >> are we ever going to? he is dead and ghislaine maxwell is sitting in jail. >> she knows the names, and they are obviously three or four people that we could sit here and talk about right now who are intimately involved with jeffrey epstein on a regular basis you aren't saying anything. >> are they ever going to pay, right? obviously, leon black has been,

you know, humiliated. he is not in a power role he was once in, but you know what he still is? they'll be, stinking rich. is anybody else going to get in trouble here? >> the wall street journal has been running this excellent series where they've been sort of stereotomy going through people who are close to jeffrey epstein, and i'm frankly waiting for the leon flak chapter to come out since you mentioned him. there is the glenn duke in chapter, there's the leslie wexner chapter, there are chapters that need to come out here, and hopefully, i don't know how the wall street journal got access to these documents and these emails, but they have them. they're going through them, slowly, carefully, and yes, seriatim, i hope they get to some of these other names. >> let me be clear, those chapters, leon black, leslie

wexner, and glenn douban, i'm here for all of. them new topic before i let you go, theranos founder elizabeth holmes, a judge this week said, sorry, sister, he has ordered her to begin her prison sentence while she appeals. she was trying to make the argument, i'm a new mother, i just had a baby a few months ago, i had one a year ago. i can't be separated from them. let's remind our audience, it was after she was arrested, after she was charged. she had these kids, she knew what she was getting into. >> are you talking about liz holmes? >> exactly. elizabeth holmes. what's your take? >> enjoy your 11 years, you have a lot to think about, you have a lot to think about why you did what you did to your investors, and to your customers, and the people who put their faith in you. you are a convicted criminal, and convicted criminals go to prison. >> and there are all sorts of

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reported story at the month, so buckle up. this week, the cdc reported that nearly 110,000 americans died from drug overdoses last year. you know what it was fueled by? our country's fentanyl crisis. we're getting a closer look at one potential cause of the problem. the washington post dug into a sweeping indictment from u.s. prosecutors the shows the role chinese chemical companies allegedly play in consciously flooding the u.s. in cheap and that the fentanyl. here to tell us all about it, one of the reporters on the extraordinary story, david ovalle, the national reporter for the washington post, who focuses on opioid and addiction. explain the story to us, it's crazy. >> prosecutors recently unsealed an indictment against the suns of -- the notorious snow cartel king pin. as the washington post

reporting has shown, they are behind much of the fentanyl that is flooding the u.s. now, killing tens of dozens of people every year. consciously doing it. you read the indictments, the details are stunning and their brutality and violence and disregard for human life. it's a web of drug dealing that starts with the chemicals that come from china, make their way to mexico and then are processed and clandestine laps in mexico, made into final fentanyl products and brought across the border for sale into the u.s., killing many, many people. >> i want you to go back to the intentional part because people often think, that no, there was too much in, where it was accidentally in there. this company supposedly has developed the ingredient to poison people to death, correct? >> there are lots of companies, shady players within china's massive pharmaceutical and chemical industry. they are a huge industry and china, and within that, there are players, experts believe that they are small to mid devil players that basically so online, right? they can sell to people, normal

americans who managed to buy it online and increasingly, they've been selling to the mexican cartels. in fact, there was one woman who is a broker and intermediary, who i believe is from guatemala, and she's working on behalf of the cartel, according to a prosecutor, brokering all the deals to get these packages and recourses to the mexican cartels to basically done or find into fentanyl to be smuggled into the u.s.. >> to kill us? >> two feet are terrible addiction crisis and to kill us. >> where do the chinese and mexican government spent on this? >> it's interesting. it's a little like the spider-man meme, where they are pointing at each other. it's more like they're pointing at the united states, so everyone is deflecting blame. mexico says, no, it's not being processed here, the chinese that there are hands up and blamed the u.s.. it's really been, religious been a lot of back and forth. everybody deflecting the blame, but in the end, it started and

china and it goes to mexico, and then it arrives in the u. s. with terrible consequences. >> but there is the sweeping indictment, that's the other story, where he discovered it all, and experts told you that these companies involved are probably never going to be held accountable, why? >> they're not going to be extradited to the u.s., unless they somehow travel overseas somewhere to a place that will extradite them, most likely, they will not be charged. they may change the names on the websites, they may avoid traveling, even with the time that the indictment dropped and the time to our stories dropped, they changed their website since got their names at the websites, even though the websites were still up and running and offering different chemicals. so, it's not a priority for the chinese government. it's a low priority for them. obviously, there is a lot of tension between the two nations are now, so it's a huge deal for the u.s.. it is a top priority, but china just has not been willing to play ball in this arena. >> it's a national security issue, it here is the problem, people are not stopping taken drugs here anytime soon. we better figure this out.

david, incredible reporting, thank you for joining us. please come back soon. coming up, bengals quarterback joe burrow says the taken care of your mental health is important. and this guy puts his money where his mouth is. when the 11th hour continues.

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responsibility to do good. those aren't my words, this but it were to cincinnati bengals quarterback joe burrow. he's backing them up with actions. off the field, he's made it his mission to get back to communities in his home state of julio, as well as louisiana, where he went to college. and 2022, he started the joe burrow foundation to focus on mental health and food and security, but since then, it has become a whole lot more than those two missions. watch this. >> have you seen more of a need as far as people with food it's acuity? >> i think that's obviously a big focus of the foundation and then also mental health and also, just broad things that we think we can help with, whether it's medical bills or scholarships or whatever it may be to help people. >> which makes sense. one at the first things his nonprofit did was to cover mental health treatments -- but the health treatments for 20 families at the cincinnati children's hospital. his parents recently explained haddock him about. >> we started at thinking, well, let's see how many we can pay, and then we're about 20 of

them. we just could not decide so we basically paid for 20 families metal out bills. it was overwhelming really that the little bit that we felt like we could do with the foundation made such a huge impact for them. they were at the point that they were going to lose their services because they were passed two on bills. >> one mom, one of her comments was, it was the best day of her life, so that's what you know the timber oak foundation made a difference. this type things make you really appreciate the fact that we have this opportunity to help. >> something to keep in mind, has put a hot action day comes to a close. if you need help, please ask for it, but if you can give help, please give it, and as joe burrow likes to say, everyone has a responsibility to do good. and on that now, i wish you a very, very good night. from all of our colleagues across the network of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me, i see you at the end of tomorrow.

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