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humanitarian crisis at our southern border with mexico. as the u.s. struggles to meet the reality of the greatest complexities of global migration. this new reality demands a reimagined nation of our immigration system, a system that is of past decades. -- border agents stopped more than 6200 undocumented migrants at our southern border on friday. it was the first day since the u.s. entered the trump era border restrictions known as title 42. a number of crossings downed shortly compared to earlier in the week. behind each numbers a person trying to find their way to a better life. this week, our colleague jose diaz found a family fleeing their country, venezuela. three generations, a grandmother with her daughter, and granddaughter leaving everything behind because of their nations unstable government. they have dreams with a better future earning an education, building a new life here in the united states. and beyond her southern border,

there are millions of families across the globe in similar situations. here's homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas earlier this week. >> the challenge of migration is not exclusive to the southern border, it is, in fact, not exclusive to the western hemisphere. it -- we are seeing a global displacement of people that is the greatest since at least world war ii. >> worldwide, there are more than 103 million migrants who were forced to leave their home countries. that is the highest number ever. 20 million of those migrants are in north and south america. this global rise and migration is the result of war, economic hardships, growing authoritarianism, even climate change. in the u.s., these challenges are testing our leaders. the end of title 42, the biden administration, is placing new restrictions on asylum claims. this is gonna make it harder, not easier for those in need of a safe haven to seek asylum here in the united states. part of the new rules require most migrants to apply for

asylum and be rejected in another country before the u.s. will even hear their case. migrants must also apply for asylum appointments through an often glitchy app. and anyone caught crossing the border illegally could be bad for the u.s. for to five years if they don't qualify for asylum. president biden makes moves that are angering immigrant rights advocates, none of this is going to satisfy the gop base, nor the bad faith actors on the right to do not want to be a nation of immigrants. just to speak, the house gop passed a new bill going even further to eliminate asylum claims. there is no chance of passing the democrat let's senate. so the governor ron desantis just signed a new law cracking down on brace for undocumented migrants and for american citizens who are in community with them. as you watch all of this frantic coverage about the end of title 42, please remember, this isn't about any one single policy. this is about a global humanitarian crisis. moms and dads, and babies.

this is about how we rise to meet this moment and who we are as a nation. what does it say about us? if we don't offer safe haven to those in crisis? i've shown merkel has a -- beacon of hope. who was it that we want to be? joining me now, krish vignarajah, ceo of immigration and -- former policy director for michelle obama. and lindsay toczylowski, executive director of the immigrants defender law center. ladies, it is so good to see you both. krish, it is -- what is driving this increase in migration all across the globe? >> as you said, it is everything from foreign violence, increased persecution, the pandemic, and of course climate disaster. this was a year where we saw the ukrainian crisis, and the afghan evacuation.

and in our region, obviously there's political instability in countries like venezuela and haiti, which has led to mass migration. >> lindsey, there are already more than 1 million pending asylum applications in the united states. the average asylum case takes more than four years to complete. you've had these new restrictions, the biden administration -- how do these new rules, how do they impact families? what do they mean for them? is this the best we can do? >> this is absolutely not the best that we can do. you're right, we have a hugely overly burdened immigration system processing asylum claims right now. but that's -- as it currently exists, was not designed to work in a world like the one we live in today. it was designed decades ago for a totally different reality. so right now, we are seeing asylum claims that could be dealt with in a much different manner. with the end of title 42 which

is something that we are celebrating the end of that but wishing that this moment, this opportunity, came with the true rebuilding of an asylum system that will work for the united states in 2023 and beyond, that will protect the due process and human rights of migrants, and will allow for orderly processing. unfortunately, what we have seen is that as title 42 leaves, we are seeing deterrence faced policies, resurrection of failed policies of the trump era like the asylum ban, like the expansion of expedited processing which will -- and extradited removal, which will essentially make it so that for some migrants, some children, some families, will be returned back, or deported back, within sometimes 72 hours. after just a couple of phone calls with asylum officers and potentially immigration judge. that is not a functioning asylum system. that is not meaningful access to protection. and these policies are just

more of the same failed policies that we've seen time and time again. we are certainly not meeting the moment or taking advantage of the opportunity to create a welcoming system. >> here's the thing, krish, there is the reality that this is enormously complex, and then there's also the reality that we do know what we would need to do in order to do this correctly, if the political will was there. so my concern in part is that they're people who are gonna be sitting around their dining room tables and they're gonna be -- even good mean people, are gonna throw their hands up and say, it's just too hard! this is a problem that is intractable. there is no way to solve it. what would it look like, krish, to do this correctly? like, krish to do this cor>> you're absolut. the so-called crisis is not that we have migration in our hemisphere. the crisis has been our failure to find ways to help them. and you know, in my mind, some of what we've seen in the biden administration is that word, in terms of increasing the legal

capacity of -- resettled from the western hemisphere. making sure family reunification doesn't require families to come to our border that they can actually have in country processing. when we have 10 million jobs that are going unfilled, -- due in part to the failure of the immigration reform that we have the political will power to put economic visas on the table to fix that system. so there certainly solutions on the table. just ten years ago, -- we need every american to step up and say, look, our country is capable of accepting tens of thousands of migrants. people who are fleeing for their lives into the country. it is not just the right thing to do, it's the smart thing to do. >> it is possible.

lindsey, where we find ourselves here, because there are bad actors who want us to believe that none of this is possible. this, week at the border, you had reporters pressing senator cruz on the inaction of immigration in washington over the past few decades. i want you to take a listen to what he says, and then you and i will talk about it on the other side. i will talk about it on th other side >> how is this crisis failure, lindsay, of the past 30 years? >> we have seen time and time again this finger-pointing and scoring of political points.

fearmongering relief from the anti immigrant side. and the thing is, with these deterrence policies that we're seeing, now no one is ever going to convince fearmongering anti immigrant, that this is somehow the -- borders up and secured in a way that they are going to be satisfied with. keeping cruelty on human beings seeking safety when -- asylum seekers, by the nature of what they're doing, are trying to avail themselves of the legal pathway. they're trying to avail them selves in another system. they're literally raising the heads of the border right now and saying, i am asking to be processed. i'm asking for protection. i'm asking to do this legally. and what we see time and time again is a system that is set up with obstacles. but there is cvp app, whether it is trapping people in between border walls as we saw

in san diego this week, and i saw personally yesterday. this type of treatment that is meant to make it impossible for people to actually get protection, none of this is ever going to satisfy the anti immigrant side. >> yeah, i mean, krish, to underline what lindsey is saying there, i think joe biden could go down to the border, build a wall himself with his own bare hands, and even then, he would not have republicans and nativist say, okay, job done, we did it. for them, they are insatiable on this issue. so i am unclear from a political calculus standpoint what the true value is. to some democrats of not offering an alternative vision of what immigration asylum, and our border could look like. >> you're exactly right.

when we have on one side is fearmongering, as lindsay mentioned, and the other side is viewing immigration as their achilles heel. so they will either remain radio silent or feel like they can create a message of don't come to the border, or sending troops to the border to secure in the military fashion. and that's where i just think that even in the lead up to the ending of title 42, we've got a glimpse of the dynamics. title 42 has ended, and there was not absolute chaos at the border. it was not overrun. but that's not to say that there isn't a crisis. there's a crisis wonders a baby is put in a suitcase to avoid drowning crossing borders. there's a crisis when we have those 10 million jobs that are unfilled and we don't have the text base to keep social security and medicare afloat in the long term. there's a crisis when average families fear that they can put food on the table because of inflation. that is driven by immigration. you have federal reserve chief joel powell saying that immigration --

was the crisis is -- and we don't have the political role even coming from the white house to figure out what we do with this, what's right and smart. i think that's where there's an opportunity for the administration to say, look, the slow burning crisis here is that with the lowest birth rate since the -- if we don't become japan and the stagnation, if you want to compete against china, we have to recognize that there's a benefit that the people will literally risk their lives to succumb to our country. so creating orderly pathways, legal pathways allows for most people to come that route rather than the southern border. but also recognize that there are asylum seekers who are exercising the legal right, who are risking their lives, who are coming for the children to seek a better life. that need to have that opportunity. to exercise it at the southern border.

-- they're gonna talk about the situation at the board at the end of title 42 and what comes next. that is tomorrow night nameless turn here, on msnbc. next for us as president biden attempts to solve the border puzzle, he's likely 2024 opponent works to expand his authoritarian playbook. the republicans and the carolinas are doing the best to erase reproductive freedoms, but a few states senators are banding together to stop them. juan joins us. first though, to jessica layton for the other big stories we're tracking this hour on msnbc. jessica? >> thanks, alicia. a lot happening this hour today, search and rescue efforts are underway in south texas after a tornado hit overnight. and we know at least one person has been killed. nearly a dozen others were hurt. the ef1 category tornado caused excessive damage to homes and powerlines in the area. a nine-year-old child is among the injured after three people were shot at a barbershop in albany, new york this afternoon. perfectly a tv station there,

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challenge trump's hold on the republican party. to be clear, the extremist rhetoric is expected to reign supreme in both campaigns. today, president biden address the threat of white supremacy in his commencement speech at howard university. >> to stand up against the poison white supremacy is -- as the most dangerous terrorist threat to our homeland. it's white supremacy. >> the most dangerous threat to our homeland. well, also this week, in media matters report detailing how prominent anti conspiracy theorists -- at trump's rally -- the speakers were canceled. [inaudible] joining me now is ruth ben-ghiat, a professor of nyu and author of strongmen, from mussolini to the president. if this week was any indication the president runs to run on his litany of lies again, he's trying to create his own reality, hoping enough people

buy into it, talk to me about the relationship between misinformation and authoritarianism. >> yes, it's absolutely fundamental. and trump is a superb propagandist. he's also a cult leader. this is really important, and its -- people don't quite know how to cover him as a cult leader. and the think the cult leader is that they indoctrinate -- they use their campaign events, they're different purposes then someone like a joe biden. they're using their campaign events to indoctrinate people into believing that only they have the truth. or their allies. right? so misinformation, disinformation, propaganda is at the very heart of authoritarianism. it is not just hitting people to believe one or two lies, it's actually changing the way they think and how they make associations. one thing is every authoritarian tries to change the perception of violence,

making it into something positive. so trump has been doing this in the cnn town hall. he said, the writers have love in their hearts. well, they have love in their hearts for, him as a cult leader, but he's been doing this kind of thing since 2015 at his rallies. pushing violence as something positive. so that's an example. it's very, very dangerous, and it's going to continue. >> and you've changed peoples minds internal trinidad free allergy, makes sense as a logical conclusion that you say something like i would pardon most of these riders are i believe they are owed a government apology because then that becomes a through line of your illogical. i do want to ask you about e. jean carroll because after admit for a brief moment, it seemed as though maybe there was accountability. saying that the accountability needed -- yet a jury finding him liable for sexual assault, defamation, ordered him to pay $5 million.

yet he was right back at it. 24 hours later, calling carroll names. what then does accountability look like? is ithat accountability results and some change in behavior? >> no, it's not gonna change and result change of behavior on his part. indeed, the more they are found guilty or corrupt, the more they become the victim. this victimhood thing which is from muscling knee on, it's 100 years old, is very, very powerful. and so, in fact, but the chengdu at the town hall, he got people to applaud his mockery of e. jean carroll. he was psychologically undoing his humiliation. but it's very important that he was held accountable. and found his -- mockery disgusting, and the idea that, again, going back to the cult leader, the idea of the cult leaders that they are

infallible, they are untouchable. so this verdict shows that he is not untouchable, that he is -- can be held accountable by the law, just like any other person. >> earlier this week, i'm sure you saw alabama senator openly sympathized with white nationalists currently serving in the military saying, quote, i call them americans. you've seen this effect before. the leaders mentality becomes part and parcel of his own party. how does that work? how does that happen, and how d1 do it? >> how do you undo it is the hardest thing, because as we all know, one of the most disheartening things is that trump's popularity -- it grows after the failed coup of january 6th. because it broke taboo than it showed that anything is possible. even assaulting the capital. but, you know, how does it get

undone in history, personality cult start to deflate when the destruction that the leader inevitably causes to the country becomes clear. sometimes that takes like being bombed during world war ii, but you see in putin's russia there's a lot of leads falling out windows because they understand the price of his actions. and it can take a long time. we actually have a chance to turn this back because we don't have those situations yet. 2024 is the struggle for the soul of our nation, but we still have time to turn this thing back. >> in case you were wondering what the stakes are, ruth ben-ghiat, thank you so much for your time. next, republicans in the south are raising to strip their constituents of reproductive freedoms. we want to speak to one of the senators and sister state south carolina and what they're doing to work with them. m. dude, that's a foul!

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progress right now is this republican super majority legislature that only took 48 hours to turn the clock back 50 years on women's health. and that's exactly what this bill does. >> north carolina governor criticizing his state legislature for passing a 12-week abortion ban. cooper has vetoed it. but the veto won't last long because north carolina state legislature is controlled by republican super majority. and they are said to override him next week. in neighboring south carolina, republicans are working to pass a six-week abortion ban. which would exacerbate the growing reproductive crisis all across the american south. take a look at the map, in -- the sister senators are holding the line to ensure abortion

care remains legal. and in just the past month, the republican controlled legislature try to pass a total abortion ban three times. sister senators blocked each attempt. one of them is with us right, now south carolina state senator mia mcleod, senator, thank you for being with us. talk to us about the six-week abortion ban, currently being considered in your state. you've helped block three abortion bans part to this one. do you think this one has a chance of becoming law? >> you know, sadly all of them have a chance of becoming law because here in south carolina, we have a supermajority -- super republican majority in the south carolina house and they're not far away from it in the senate either. so you know, we just band together where we can and fights with these senseless bans and this was i think the total ban was, you know, that

was significant step in the right direction. if you believe the house judiciary's already passed as four 74, maybe, out and, you know it was fast-tracked in the senate. it's a senate bill. we are expecting it to come back over to the house. so there's always a chance. but we will continue to fight. >> i began by talking about north carolina, both because it is the most recent piece of the story to have happened and i want our viewers to think of this in terms of larger geographic swaths. disbanded north carolina looks like it's going to get through their legislature once again giving that republicans have a super majority there. what happens in north carolina? how does that matter to you and your constituents in south carolina? what does that mean for access and quality of care?

>> i mean, we are neighboring states and it's sad but it's very true that all of the southern states are being targeted in the same ways, with the same rhetoric, the same strategies and they are working because the republican majority, you know, they have a supermajority in north carolina as well as south carolina. take us, for instance. when we look at the fact that supreme court early this year just struck down the six-week ban, and here we are again about to debate it in the senate. we weren't given that opportunity really the first time it was introduced. i think it was introduced on the 1st of february, and then passed the senate on the 9th of february. without giving us the opportunity to hear public's

testimony on the subcommittee level, without having a full committee. they are bypassing every opportunity for the public to weigh in because they know that they are outnumbered outside of the state house. and it's a sad commentary that we are seeing here in south carolina, and of course in north carolina as well. so we are gearing up, again to fight another senseless abortion ban, when so many women and girls don't know that they are even pregnant at six weeks. you know. it is just unbelievable that here in south carolina we had one woman on the supreme court. and she retired, she aged out, and we replaced her with another man. so i believe now south carolina's the only state in the country that does not have a woman on the supreme court. and that too is going to be

very challenging for us. >> challenging indeed. we are keeping an eye on south carolina, and i presume state senator mcleod, we will be seeing each other again. thank you for your time tonight. i want to bring in university of california irvine michele goodwin, she's those of the on the issues podcast and the author of policing the womb, michelle, i want to start with republicans holding a supermajority in the state legislature, they will override the veto, impose a 12-week abortion ban. draw the line between the anti-democratic -- supermajority in the first place, and they're restructuring of reproductive freedom that we are seeing. >> it's good to be with you again, alicia. it's a sad time for democracy because but we see across the united states is that in gop -controlled state legislatures there are efforts to block individuals being able to put

forward referenda. in ohio we see that intensified, and in the state of north carolina. and other states to. we see anti-democratic principles that are taking place not only with regards to abortion bans, but to the very nature of voting itself where there is voter suppression that is taking place. we need to pay attention to the fact that there are were -- not just talking about doesn't but literally thousands of polling places have been closed throughout the american south, where their abortion bans that were put forward. there are talent challenges that are taking place even. those that have been vetted by the supreme court and the state of carolina and others, we've seen very intensive gerrymandering taking place. this of course is nothing new but we do see it being relitigated again in the wake of abortion bans. as you know, when we come together and threading the needle about how important connecting the abortion bans

are to questions with regard to our american democracy because it's just a flash point. it's not the only thing we should be concerned about. they all stitch together. >> there is an absolutely tragic story out of texas this week. police say 22-year-old man charged with killing his girlfriend after she got an abortion, according to -- the woman troubled colorado because the procedure is banned in texas for six weeks. her suspecting killer disapproved, according to the police. i mean, i worry that this is what you warned us about in terms of intimate partner violence, vigilante justice. when that is what has been sanctioned by the state. >> that's right. we saw that starting in texas, so even before the supreme court brought ruled in the dobbs decision, we're approaching a year and that, texas had allowed vigilantism, something that is pulled straight from the play books that the fugitive splayed laws where individuals could track

down people who aid and abet others who terminate pregnancies. this of course creating an atmosphere of fear and threat of safety, a first amendment, of being able to associate, able to communicate. in this tragic case that you raise. we have a 22-year-old young man who has murdered his girlfriend who's 26 years old after she traveled to colorado and terminated her pregnancy. and this is going to scratch the surface. we know the world health organization is documented. and so has the cdc that intimate partner violence intensifies during pregnancy. so be tween that and state legislatures and acting laws that proved to be violent enough themselves, we can only seek more threats to them and safety. it's already occurring. >> speaking of threats to women safety, we have new data it -- rose drastically following the dobbs decision with instances of burglaries, stalking,

increased by more than 20%. i mean, this was the natural outgrowth of criminalizing a health care procedure. >> i'm so happy that you raise that. because it's tragic. i'm happy raise a because it's so often is ignored and it's important to have in this conversation. since roe v. wade, there've been 50 bombings of clinics that provide reproductive health care like abortion. there's been the murdering of doctors, there's been the maiming and entering of nurses and other people. there's even been the killing of security guards. daily, there are threats. and the kinds of threats that are seen outside of clinics where abortions are performed are the kinds of aggressive threats that we actually saw on january six. in fact, there is an organization, the abortion access front, that was being able to turn over to the fbi information with regard to almost three dozen people who were at january six because

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teeth. >> say coca true. >> we've got a little sidetracked by the 80s. >> for sure. >> one, two, three, four! >> -- from time records. i would love to help you make an album. >> all right! >> all right! >> what's happening? >> i think he digs. you >> i dig the animal is. well >> there are new characters joining the ogs such as gerald teeth, the father of the first -- latinx actor is the man behind the puppet. he joins us now. how does one be come a puppeteer? >> well, for myself it all started with lying about my politics to be a puppeteer, to a potential client. but lots of studying. so you work on your puppetry manipulation skills which is

not too dissimilar to dance. you work on your voice acting skills, but most importantly, you work on your acting and character acting skills. you >> have to have great coordination. >> you do, you have to have good hand eye coordination to control the puppets but also if you don't work on your acting, it's not gonna come through the character. that's why all the characters on the muppets are so relate-able and you understand it immediately because the actives come through the performers. >> and -- puppeteer off my list of things that i can do with my life. after magic that if your puppeteer and you get a call asking if you want to audition and then be a part of being a muppet performer, that is top shelf. >> absolutely, it's the sort of thing you don't think is ever going to happen to you. when your puppeteer, you're doing it because you love the craft. and when the puppets call, you're just sort of like, wait, is this actually happening? today drink too much coffee this morning? what is going on? but no, they are now starting to reach out and work with a

lot more younger puppeteers, and it's incredible to be brought in. it's a dream come true. >> after's complicated relationship with first where, on one hand, i love to celebrate when there is a first, i latinx performer performing with muppets. at the same time this feeling of, nothing should take this long. >> yes, no, absolutely. nothing to take this long. but when -- i wish i had a better answer for all of it because in tv production, it's complicated. but i agree, it should take this. long for me personally, it took me so long to find puppetry, because i didn't start until i was in my 30s. and so -- i started laden life. but when you are a first generation american, you don't know that puppetry is an opportunity for you. part of that is because you don't see yourself represented in the craft, but also, when your mom has just come to this country fleeing a civil war, you are focused on -- i need a trade craft so i can take care of my family, and take care of myself, and take care of my mom.

so when you see puppetry you think, that's not something that's gonna pay the bills. i'm not gonna be able to take care of myself and everyone like i want to. but when i got older, i discovered, oh, actually you can make money doing just about anything. if you work hard at its and really become the best you can add it. that's what i strive to do as a puppeteer. >> when you talk about your mom fleeing civil war, she is of course from el salvador. i think about it in the context of this entire show where we opened by talking about title 42, where we're talking about migrants and asylum seekers coming to this country. what part of your own story, what part of your own experience in this country do you feel you have been able to bring to your work? >> oh my goodness. there is a lot. excuse me. through -- i'm just being flooded by a lot of different memories. growing up, i didn't fit in really anywhere. and when i'm performing, it's

-- the response that i get from other young people that come from a similar background, that's really what i try to work towards and represent. because i didn't know but, honest around they will show me messages saying, this is incredible, they've never seen anyone like me doing what you're doing. that's so cool. and that keeps moving me forward. so even though i may not be -- gerald is -- i don't know what ethnicity he is specifically, but i don't bring a lot of cautiously a lot of latino or salvadorian culturally specific things to the performance. but when someone sees me perform and they know it's me, and they go, oh that is something i can do, it's attainable. that's something that i did have in my childhood. >> about 20 seconds left before they cut me off the set. being a dad? >> it's absolutely incredible. i tell my friends it's

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