>> let me just -- the words have legal significance, so an expulsion is what happens under the public health authority of title 42. we sought to end the application of title 42 some time ago. this administration stands markedly different than the prior administration, markedly different. we have, in fact, a family reunification task force that has now reunified, i think, more than 700 families that were cruelly separated by the prior administration. we have rescinded the public charge rule that punishes individuals who have migrated to the united states just for accessing public resources to which they are entitled. we have granted temporary protected status to quite a number of countries. this president has led the unprecedented expansion of lawful pathways. we stand markedly different than

the prior administration. we do not resemble it at all. what we do, and by the way, we have rebuilt an asylum system that was dismantled in the prior administration. we have resumed refugee processing all around the world, and these regional processing centers are going to accelerate the refugee process in an unprecedented way. we are a nation of immigrants, and we are a nation of laws. and those laws provide that if one qualifies for humanitarian relief, then one has established a basis to remain in the united states. and if one has not, then one is to be removed. and that is exactly what is going to happen. >> you talk about cost, what's the rough cost to american taxpayers to the roughly 4 million people who have come into the country illegally since january of 2021, as those people

show up at community hospitals, enter the school system, get other government help. >> let me turn that question around a little bit. i'm going to turn it around to match the question that an international partner asked of me. and the question that the international partner asked of me is what is the economic cost of your broken immigration system, since there are businesses around this country that are desperate for workers. there are desperate workers looking for jobs. desperate workers in foreign countries that are looking for jobs in the united states where they can earn money lawfully and send much needed remittances back home. what is the cost of a broken immigration system. that is the question that i am asked, and that is the question that i pose to congress, because it is extraordinary. >> we're going to continue to listen in to homeland security

secretary alejandro mayorkas warning that migrants should not expect to come to the border, yet there are by the thousands. the situation is incredibly chaotic. had his own words he says there's an incredible strain on the border right now. we know that border patrol's holding capacity has already been exceeded. thousands there. they're trying to answer it, they say. 24,000 cpb agents have been added, another thousand coordinators, and 1,500 troops to back up the 2,500 that are already there. but the current situation is only expected to get worse because we are now just hours away from the lifting of title 42 and tensions are escalating along the border. i want to bring in the mayor of laredo, texas, a city under a state of emergency right now. dr. victor trevino. thank you so much for joining us. and i know you have been waiting as we have been listening to the secretary, so i appreciate your patience. i'm sure you heard him say that

in spite of the fact that there is a chaotic, a crowded and a strained situation right now, he says we will manage through it. it's a challenge we will meet. do you have confidence in that, mr. mayor? >> well, we have to realize that, well, first of all, thank you for having me. but we have to realize that the federal issues, federal problems are now becoming local problems for border cities and border communities where we have to use our resources that are limited and basically our medical resources are of importance because we don't have infrastructure at least locally to handle that situation. as it is, we have wait times for ambulances to get our local people into the hospitals. now, if we have this great influx of people being transferred to our border, which is that is a plan to do, then our ngos have a limited capacity

of 1,500 people. so that would not make deals. so we have to put and use a declaration of disaster that i declared back on the last day of the month, and we have been extending it, not because we have the disaster right now. we will have an imminent disaster because we're a port of processing here. with that in mind, we have to prepare before the hurricane hits. we have to do active measures before we get into that situation. >> what's your biggest concern right now, mr. mayor, as you say, ngos only have capacity for 1,500, i have heard you speak in recent days about your concern for capacity at hospitals, particularly regarding children, what's your biggest worry right now? >> well, we have to balance resources but the main preoccupation is that if we have children coming in and families that are coming in family units, we don't have a pediatric

intensive care unit, and as it is, we would be challenged tremendously in the limited capacity of the hospitals and to transfer these children out sometimes in helicopter, ambulances, depending on their situation, we know they traveled a long distance, and for sure they're going to have some illnesses, some conditions. that is one of the problems that worries me a lot. the other is that we have to use resources from the city to make areas so these people can be at the park and rides or rec centers or bussing and these are resources that would tax the city completely. we don't have the budget to do that. of course some moneys have been planned by the federal government, but in the meantime, our resources have to be tapped into, and those are the things that are important. another thing is we're the number one port of commercial entry into the united states,

and if the officer haves to be pulled from their post to help with the migrants, that could impact the 40% of goods from mexico come in through laredo, texas, that would impact the chain of supply not only in texas, but the rest of the country. >> you touched on the fact about hospitals and the wait times for an ambulance, but what are the kinds of things you're preparing for? we have seen the number of people who have had to sleep outside, who have faced very bad conditions, who aren't getting enough water, who maybe aren't getting enough food. families traveling together. what are you prepared for and what are you worried you're not prepared for? >> laredo is one of the hottest places in the world, if i can say that. we're going into the summer months, dehydration, intestinal

illness in the children, availability of water supply. we have a challenge with our water supply in the city of laredo. that's one of the things. the hospital capacity and the lack of medical personnel that we have chronically within the medical industry for decades, that would be an added burden that would be not only a disaster, but a true emergency. so those are the things i have to look at. >> is that something you've had a chance to talk to your elected representatives about? i mean, obviously if you're -- we talked about the numbers. we've talked about basically things that are meant for security purposes and for processing purposes. but so much of the rest of it has fallen on ngos and i wonder if you have any confidence or have had conversations about, for example, can we get more medical personnel here. any of the other kinds of help that you think you might need, at least in the early days when people come in and you have a

sense of how big this problem is just in your city. >> yes, as a matter of fact, the reason for the declaration of disaster is to activate our partners like ngos, police, fire, medical, and in regards to medical, like we did in the pandemic, we're able to tap into other resources like the state or federal, to get medical personnel here to help the situation and avoid overwhelmed medical situations and overwhelmed ngo systems, which we only have two, and the capacity of those two are very limited. we have to tap into our other resources and we are doing proactive things through our emergency management plan. >> dr. victor trevino, i know you have a lot on your plate right now. we take very seriously that you spent time waiting to come on the program and share your city's story with us. we thank you so much for your

time. we appreciate it, and good luck, sir. >> thank you, glad to do it. i want to bring in nbc's guad venegas, he is in san diego at the border. guad, we just heard a very long press conference briefing in the briefing room. we're getting a sense of just how large this problem is, but what are you seeing firsthand? >> chris, we're seeing more migrants arrive here at the san diego tijuana border. this is one of the borders that have seen this surge. we started here with a few people days ago. that turned into hundreds. every day, more and more showing up. another humanitarian crisis. this one is here between san diego and tijuana. i think it's interesting to follow up on the conversation you just had with the doctor and mayor. one of the things we sometimes don't take into consideration when we discuss about the surge is the fact that thousands of migrants continue going from south america to the jungle, into panama, and into mexico, and traveling north to the

border. i spoke with a member of an ngo in southern mexico yesterday, just to get a sense of what they're seeing there, and they said to me, you know what, thousands are arriving every day, and i can tell you in the last few weeks, i saw mexican immigration ease off on the restrictions that they had, and migrants are essentially allowed to now travel north to the u.s./mexico border. i have been speak to a lot of individuals, people from vietnam, jamaica, columbia, some arrive by bus here, some of them said they walked. others took flights for whatever reason, they had to leave the countries they were in. but very few of them in their process in the last few days had any type of conversation or went through any type of check point with mexican immigration authorities. so essentially the flow of migrants at this point through mexico has become much easier according to some of the migrants that i've spoken to and

also members of ngos in mexico. so regardless of the policy that is implemented in the united states, we have a flow of migrants that are coming. many from south america, and other parts of the world. we had a pandemic, countries are going through economic issues. venezuela has 500% inflation. other countries have issues, whether it's political or economic. this is one of the realities that is one of the causes of the humanitarian crisis, and when i speak with them, they all tell me, you know, i have no other option, and that's why i'm coming to the u.s. all of this, regardless of the policy we have, most of the individuals i speak to, chris, they don't understand what title 42 is. right? they don't know what policy means to them. they understand they have no other option and they're coming to the u.s. because they feel like their case will allow them to remain here for humanitarian reasons. these are one of the things we have to take into consideration as title 42 is lifted and new policies are put into place, and we on the american side also

prepare to receive those individuals that are going to be allowed to get that humanitarian parole. many of them with sponsors and others that will need the help of the ngos that are preparing. here in san diego, we have catholic charities, and other ngos that are prepared with beds and forms of transportation for migrants who are released in the united states, in this asylum program, to be sent to the cities where they have sponsors and also help others that are arriving, as the doctor mentioned, they need medical treatment. we saw a woman that was burned somewhere along the way, and she was taken by an emt. border patrol did provide the services for her to go to a hospital. every day we see others with a medical necessity. i should also add, the time i have spent in mexico, you know, american cities that work with the mexican counter parts can improve conditions a lot by establishing also services in mexico, tijuana has an ngo program that has created a clinic with medical services for a lot of migrants that has

tremendously helped for the migrants that are arriving. that's one of the programs that exist here. all along the u.s., mexico border it's going to be essential to see the work between americans and mexican cities as we see the surge that remains growing at the u.s./mexico border. >> guad venegas, i know we'll check in with you in the hours and days ahead. we appreciate your reporting very much. now in washington just moments ago, house speaker kevin mccarthy spoke on the house floor about his party's border bill that should get a vote sometime today. nbc's scott wong is live from capitol hill. we were just listening to secretary mayorkas, scott, who said that the current situation is the outcome of an outdated immigration system. that's one everyone can agree on it. the question is what can we do about it? what would this bill do? >> reporter: this bill is not going anywhere. it's going to pass the house today, but dead on arrival of the senate. the president of the united

states said he would veto it if it ever reached his desk. republicans are trying to make a statement. this is a messaging bill intended to show they are prepared to take action on this very difficult issue of immigration. it would resume construction of the former president trump's border wall that had really been a center piece of president trump's policies. it would add 22,000 additional border security agents, border control agents. that would be a big boost to that force. it would also impose greater restrictions on asylum seekers. again, chris, this really is meant to be a messaging bill to put pressure on democrats in the senate, in the house, as well as president biden. this is going to be a key issue heading into 2024 and the election cycle as we know every

four years. one other point i would make is that we really have seen, as house republicans have tried to rally behind this piece of legislation the difficulties even within kevin mccarthy's conference of marching in the same direction. we saw a procedural vote delayed for several hours yesterday because various factions of the republican conference were fighting with each other over certain provisions regarding e-verify and definitions of cartels as a foreign terrorist organization. it really highlights, chris, and underscores just how perilous these votes are for mccarthy because they are operating with such a narrow majority. he can only afford gop defections on any bill. with george santos out yesterday, he really could only operate and lose three republican votes. this will be, again, another

tight vote, but kevin mccarthy is confident that they will rally together and get behind this bill and pass it out of the house today. >> perilous for mccarthy, perilous for all of those people guad was talking about on the border. less than 24 hours after facing a judge and a slew of federal charges, george santos today is facing his congressional colleagues and voters, and they have some thoughts. colleagues and voters, and they have some thoughts with downy infusions, let the scent set the mood. feel the difference with downy. introducing astepro allergy. now available without a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid-free spray. while flonase takes hours, astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can [ spray, spray ] astepro and go.

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today, newly indicted congressman george santos is facing his colleagues on capitol hill for the first time since his court appearance on 13 federal charges. criticism from his republican colleagues is expanding, constituents are demanding his resignation, but santos says he has no plans to step down. resorting to a very trumpian defense tweeting what he said after being charged, simply witch hunt. and speaker kevin mccarthy isn't taking any action while he's got this very slim majority in the house but he doesn't want him hanging around very long either. >> santos said he's running for reelection. are you going to support him? >> i think he has other things to focus on him. >> reporter: so you don't plan to support santos for reelection? >> that's what i said.

>> reporter: sahil kapur is on capitol hill, rehema ellis, and phil rucker, msnbc political analyst. i think this is the first time we heard mccarthy say he will not support santos for reelection. how does mccarthy manage this balancing act, trying to keep santos as a voting member on his side of the very slim majority? >> reporter: it is certainly a balancing act, chris. speaker mccarthy wants george santos's vote. santos has been useful to mccarthy in the tiny majority but mccarthy doesn't want santos and his alleged crimes in the spotlight, which is why you see santos is not on house committees. he's irrelevant to the legislative process. he's an embarrassment to fellow republicans. none of them want to associate and work with him. when he goes from being an embarrassment to a net liability. he has not crossed that rubicon in the eyes of many mccarthy

allies. a lot of them would prefer they hang around and there not be a special election in the swing district in new york. they worry they could lose the seat to a democrat. republicans believe according to a strategist i spoke to, they have a better shot at holding on to their seat if santos hangs around and it ends up being a battle between a fresh republican and a fresh democrat next fall in the election. how do democrats feel about this? they have every intention of hanging george santos around the necks of every vulnerable house republican. let's put up a statement from the chair, george santos has braugts immeasurable shame to long island, and new yorkers want him expelled meal. vulnerable house republicans can no longer hide behind empty calls for santos to resign as santos has continually made leer which he has no plans of leaving congress voluntarily. the path could run through the state of new york.

there's six house republicans in competitive districts that democrats are targeting and they see santos as a political gift of their hopes to keeping the heat on him and making them look complicit despite the allegations he faces. >> it's one thing to say from the speaker of the house, you know, we're not going to support him, but there's a bigger picture here. how competitive is that district likely to be. how important is it going to be in 2024? >> chris, it looks to be quite important. i mean, it was a bit of a swing district there. but santos won in the last midterm, which was an election year that, in kind of the broad strokes, favored democrats, given the issues of abortion and others on the ballot. looking to a presidential year, you can expect that the presidential race will very much influence those down ballot contests like this congressional race, and you know, the longer santos is in that seat, the more troubling his politics become

back home. what we have seen, even though there's a reluctance from mccarthy and other members of congress to fully ex-communicate santos back home on long island, local republican leaders, county party chairs, et cetera, have all called on him to resign, and really want nothing to do with him. >> which brings me to you. what are you hearing from the district from santos' constituents? >> a woman walked up to us, chris, a moment before we went on the air, and simply to say it's so embarrassing, and that's what we were hearing from many people in this area. talking about national versus local politics. trump, i should say, joe biden won this district in 2020 when he ran for election, and desantos won this district when he campaigned here back last year by about 8 points. could that happen again? listen to what people told me,

and it seems very unlikely. >> politicians, they always have a problem with the truth to begin with, so, you know, he just kind of embellished a little bit too much. >> a little bit? >> yeah, he went over the top. that's all. >> well, the fact that he's a crook. >> reporter: do you want george santos to step down? >> definitely. he has done nothing to gain the trust of the community. >> reporter: we heard that over and over again, chris, and some people here feel it's not only that it's embarrassing, but they feel that they don't really have a representative in congress representing this district because he's so consumed with his own issues that he can hardly be focused on the issues of the folks here in this district. >> interesting, phil, the witch hunt phrase used by george santos, his defiance yesterday

after he was in court, is this just another example of the ongoing trump effect in american politics? >> absolutely. you know, this is a carbon copy response to the way donald trump has handled over many years the legal charges and complaints and other scandals that have engulfed him, is to just blow the whistle, say it's a witch hunt and convince his supporters that somehow the system has been rigged against him, and you see santos doing that here. of course these are charges brought by the federal authorities after a justice department investigation into his finances. they found evidence of wire fraud and so forth. that will, of course, be litigated in court, but to many republican voters, their ears are already trained after the trump presidency to see a system like that as somehow rigged. it worked with the republican base for president trump, and there's reason to believe that it could work at least with republican voters for george

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now, will be in the rose garden talking conservation, a very appealing issue for the democratic base while last night, donald trump was basking in the cheers of supporters at a town hall that felt a lot like a maga rally. both coming on the heels of a brand new poll that shows biden still beating trump in a head-to-head match up, but barely. and there's plenty of concerning news for his reelection bid as well, from crime and abortion to immigration and inflation, the president's approval ratings are under water. joining me mark murray, "washington post" deputy national editor, phil rucker, phil is also an msnbc political analyst. mark, before we look ahead to what last night tells us about the campaign, what does this poll and the other ones you're looking at right now tell us about the current state of the race? >> yeah, chris, it's important to note that we're still more than 500 days away from the general election. we still have to go through a republican presidential primary, but if the match up is going to

be between president joe biden and former president donald trump, all polling that we've seen so far and this far out shows it would be a very competitive race. you mentioned the recent poll that ended up having joe biden ahead by two points. there was a poll over the weekend from phil's organization that ended up having donald trump ahead by a few points, but all the polling that i have seen has us within the margin of error, and i think those numbers, along with the past history of 2016 and 2020, when these races were very very competitive should probably have all of us fasten our seat belts for what will be a very tight presidential race in 2024, chris. >> phil, a lot of places did checks on the accuracy of what former president trump had to say last night, and there were pages and pages and pages of comments about false or misleading, but he actually did talk about issues last night as well, issues that are in the conversation right now. take a listen.

>> do you think the u.s. should default if the white house does not agree to the spending cuts republicans are demanding? >> you might as well do it now because you'll do it later. it's psychological more than anything else. could be bad, maybe nothing, baby you have a bad week or bad day. >> another zero tolerance immigration policy that separates families on the border, if you're reelected, are you ruling out instituting that? >> when you have that policy, people don't come. if a family hears they're going to be separated, they love their family, they don't come. >> can you say if you want ukraine or russia to win this war? >> i want everybody to stop dying. they're dying, russians and ukrainians, i want them to stop dying. >> so just to go over that again, phil, default, okay. family separation, okay. wouldn't support the fight for democracy in ukraine, wouldn't

criticize vladimir putin. even with that, do you think trump risks losing any republican support when he outlines positions like that? >> certainly he could, and i think we need to separate these issues just a little bit because his comments on default have very real impact right now for the debate underway among republicans in congress and with the biden administration. trump is basically saying he's okay with defaulting and not raising the debt limit which would, according to virtually every prediction have catastrophic economic impacts for the country, but he said he was okay, basically because he's not the president right now, and so that could very much shape the way some republicans in congress think about this issue in the days ahead as they're negotiating with the white house. when it comes to immigration there, and then refusing to say he hopes ukraine wins, those are issues, positions, rather, that are out of step with the popular mainstream opinion in america. certainly there are, you know,

hard line conservatives within the republican primary electorate who may agree with what trump laid out there last night. but those are positions that are really going to hurt him, i think, in a general election, and one you didn't play that came up last night is that trump took personal credit for overturning roe v. wade saying, you know, this happened because he put those three justices on the supreme court, and he's very proud and honored to have seen roe v. wade overturned. that of course is another position that's unpopular with the general public, and certain to appear, i think, in democratic advertising campaigns in the general election next year if he's the nominee. >> polls tell us a lot about where the electorate is. lots of questions in this poll and others are about biden's age, his mental acuity, but i want to play a little bit more of what we heard from donald trump last night. this particular one is when he was asked about classified documents. why did you take those documents

with you when you left the white house? >> i have every right to under the presidential records act. you have the presidential records act, i was there, and i took what i took and against declassified. biden, on the other hand, he has 1,850 boxes. he had boxes sent to chinatown, chinatown, where they don't speak even english in that chinatown we're talking about. >> we heard him tell lie after lie, drifting from one topic to the other. is there anything you've seen in polling that suggests voters are worried about trump's age or mental acuity or the lies? >> yeah, so the totality of general election polling for donald trump remains to be very negative. you know, we end up having him being the most unpopular figure in our nbc news poll that we ended up conducting back in april, and so there are some huge concerns, and sometimes there's the question, oh, none of these statements ever matter, and we have actually seen seven years with a good chunk of the

electorate. they actually do matter. but when it comes to the primary electorate, chris, our own poll finds that 68% of republican primary voters say that they're willing to stand behind donald trump regardless of the controversies and legal scrutiny that he is fatsing and so that, to me, is also the other county that a lot of republicans still stand behind the former president. >> we have talked about how the women folk will be critical, will continue, really, to be critical in 2024. trump's favorability with women this that poll is just 36%, and that was before the e. jean carroll verdict that said that he was liable for sexual assault and before he, again, insulted carroll last night, he called her a whack job. what kind of challenge does that pose for trump to get reelected and the power of women and educated suburban women in the

electorate. >> i think educated suburban women in the electorate have proven in the last few election cycles to be a decisive block. they have swung a number of statewide races, as well as the presidential race in 2020. so tha about sexual assault i would imagine turned off many women as well as many men who were watching. that said, we should remember some history, which is that donald trump as a candidate in 2016, the "access hollywood" video came out, he bragged about sexual assault on that video. it was a comment, a recording that i think disgusted a vast many women and men in the country, and yet he still ended up winning by the electoral college the presidential race, and that's because these contests are always a choice, a choice between trump and the other candidate, and there are some voters who may set aside negative feelings about his

behavior or the way he talks about women or his conduct and look at a totality of issues that he's running on, and cast a ballot as they see fit. so it's a little early, i think, to determine whether he'll actually lose a lot of votes over that. it is a huge hurdle for him to overcome. >> our thanks to mark murray and phil rucker, we appreciate it. the border crisis extends far beyond the borders as cities and states across the country are declaring emergencies because migrants are being bussed in. is the biden administration prepared for what's coming? i'll ask a former obama cabinet member and major city of texas mayor what he thinks next. majos mayor what he thinks next. your heart is the beat of life. if you have heart failure, entrust your heart to entresto, a medicine specifically designed for heart failure.

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>> well, we're about to find out, chris, and there's no question that the biden administration has had ample time to prepare. i mean, they've had two and a half years, it's not like people did not know that the end of title 42 was coming. it got held up in the courts for some time. here they are. they have been doing a lot of work. secretary mayorkas outlined what they have been doing. we'll see. i think a lot of the border communities feel that they have not been supported enough, whether it's the mayor of laredo or other border communities, and even these mayors in other places. the administration needs to work harder, i think, to try and get the kind of support to those communities that they need because they are having to grapple with so many people that are now on their doorstep. i also think that the administration has been approaching the issue of immigration based on fear. and really just trying to do what it can to avoid it for the last two and a half years, instead of being proactive.

maybe the best work that they're doing is the long-term work that vice president kamala harris is trying to do with other countries, and that secretary mayorkas laid out as well. we live in a neighborhood, and in that neighborhood, there's a tremendous amount of poverty, of persecution, of rampant crime, and so you're going to see people continue to try and find a better life in the united states. we really need a marshall plan for central america so that people can find safety and opportunity at home instead of having to find it in the united states. >> well, you mentioned and we mentioned how cities across the country are trying to prepare as best they can for the end of title 42. we're going to show folks some of the headlines that newspapers around the country from the atlantic journal constitution to the philadelphia inquirer, migrants coming by bus. chicago is bracing for my migrants to come in.

we also had the mayor of laredo, texas, on earlier. he talked about, they want to do what they can, the budget doesn't allow it, the space doesn't allow it, they don't have the hospital capacity. they don't have pediatrics units. there's a big long wait time now just for an ambulance. as somebody who was a mayor who lived that, do you understand whether you're in laredo, texas, like the mayor we talked to is, or from atlanta or new york, why this has become such a problem? >> oh, i absolutely understand that. you know, i know that they have good hearts and they want to do what they can for folks who are simply seeking a better life until the country. at the same time, they have their own concern and it's a strain on resources. here's the thing. title 42 never should have been put in place in the first place, and the biden administration should not have dragged its feet in ending title 42 because it was in place so long, now we have this huge bottleneck of

people that are just waiting to come in and claim asylum. it didn't have to be this way. this was not a mistake of the last week or two weeks or two months, this was a mistake of the last few years of the trump administration and then the biden administration, and it also got held up in the courts, which didn't help. >> a couple of months ago, you caused a bit of a stir by suggesting president biden reconsider running again, and i wonder, after last night's town hall, donald trump claiming that he finished the border wall. he also said he won in 2020, insulted the moderator, lots of stuff. what's your level of confidence that if donald trump is the nominee, joe biden can beat him? >> i can tell you this, like a lot of people, if the choice is between donald trump and joe biden, i would vote for joe biden a thousand times if i could. i think that he has been and would be a much better president than donald trump. what we saw last night was the same donald trump that was bad

for this country for the four years he was there, and would be even worse if he came back, but i also am not as confident as a lot of people in washington and the democratic establishment seem to be that joe biden is going to do well against donald trump. >> really? >> it is a little bit concerning. i mean, i think it's worrisome when you have a president that does have a record on the economy and other things that folks can be proud of, that he can be proud of, and yeah, you have him polling either right about tide or behind trump in the abc news "washington post" poll a few days ago, and that's related to concerns that democrats and some independents have with the president, and something that his team has been unable to assuage the fears and doubts that democrats have. you cannot ignore the fact that more than half of democrats in several polls over the last year

have said that they wanted somebody other than joe biden to run, and right now, i think that the democratic establishment is sort of trying to wipe that away, to sweep that under the rug. i'll give you a good example of that, the dnc, have a lot of respect for them. like a lot of the people there, but them deciding that there will be no primary, no debate, i think they actually need to give joe biden a chance to get out there and show the american people what he can do, that he can run that campaign and, you know, beat whoever runs in the primary, whoever those opponents are. even if it's just rfk jr. and mary anne williamson, i don't think they want to wait until the fall of 2024 to have those debates. >> julien castro, it's good to see you. hope you come on again. new information from the family of a utah man who died,

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right. the family of eric richins is speaking out. a family spokesperson telling me they have long been suspicious of his wife cauri, take a listen to what he had to say. >> does eric's family believe she killed him. >> i think the family has always felt that couri was somehow involved in his death. he felt like she was trying to kill him and if he did die, she should be investigated for that. the family felt right at the outset this has to be a suspicious death. >> reporter: police allege couri poisoned eric with a massive dose of fentanyl. according to the arrest warrant. she couldn't remember what they were texting about. according to court documents, eric's family told investigators it may not have been the first

time she poisoned him. investigators say eric had recently changed his will and life insurance from his wife to his sister, and was looking into a divorce. now, i asked the family spokesperson why eric was staying with couri, given everything that happened. it was to spend time with his children. her attorney declined to comment. chris. >> thank you for that. finally, italy has a pasta problem. one that's gotten so bad, the government is jumping in to try to put a lid on it. prices are up more than 17% from this time last year, now, no one's sure exactly why or even what to do about it. but officials have called a crisis meeting in rome to talk it over. obviously the issue goes right to the heart or i guess the stomach of italian culture. there are few things that rile up italians, but they do eat an average of 51 pounds of pasta

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