they have very different attitudes and philosophies when it comes to crime. unfortunately for san francisco and cities across the country, multiple independent academic analyses found the attitudes and methods do not have any effect on the fundamental crime rate. it certainly doesn't seem to be having any effect on the overdose rate in the city. that is certainly where most people's concerns lie. more than 200 deaths in the first three months of the year. that's a 41% increase since last year as new forms of fentanyl make their way on to the streets. the public defender says he wishes some of the success stories would make the news. he points to stories of people having their records expunged and finding a job or coming out of jail, getting into city college and finding their true passion. he wishes those made national headlines as opposed to this unfortunate killing of a local tech executive. back to you. >> jake ward, thanks for that reporting. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it.

at this hour, fighting words with just days left to strike a deal. senate democrats are taking fierce new swings on capitol hill against the house republicans' debt ceiling plan. plus, despite rival coasts and sports teams, the attorneys general of both california and new york are standing united in a new investigation into allegations of workplace discrimination and pay inequities at the nfl. how the league is responding next, and that explosive proud boys partial verdict. four members of the far right organization including their former leader were just found guilty by a jury of seditious conspiracy. this verdict is a major milestone for the doj and offers a significant blow to the far right group. we'll dig into where this case goes from here with a former federal prosecutor. our nbc news reporters and experts are following all of the latest developments for us.

we're going to go ahead and start with ryan reilly in the ongoing deliberations of the proud boys trial. ryan, where do things stand right now? >> reporter: that's right. for most of these defendants, four to five found guilty of seditious conspiracy, and all five were found guilty of major felonies which expose them to significant prison sentence. the only outstanding seditious conspiracy charge is against the member of the group that is on camera performing the most violence on january 6th, or the most destructive violence, seeing that video over and over again with a stolen police shield bashing in that window during the first breach of the capitol on january 6th. so that's who they're still deciding on, and the reason that the jurors, i think, sort of left that out there is there's not as much evidence of him being a long-term member of the proud boys or connected to this longer plot. he sort of did come very late in the game in terms of this broader conspiracy that the jurors found had existed in this case.

but, you know, the main take away is this is a major victory for the justice department and one of the largest cases to come out of the sprawling investigation into the january 6th attack, and that this is going to have some broader implications potentially for jack smith's investigation into former president donald trump because the key defendant in this case, enrique tarrio, the head of the proud boys was not on the scene on january 6th. he was at a hotel in baltimore, and you know, if you're looking at a case that could give you implications for whether or not you can get a jury to find someone guilty who wasn't actually on scene on january 6th, that's where you might be looking for in terms of potential charges against donald trump in connection with the attack. >> ryan reilly, thank you so much. i want to bring in brent kirschner. what does it tell you that enrique tarrio was convicted on seditious conspiracy when he wasn't at the capitol that day? what does that mean for

prosecutors? >> that's an important data point moving forward. i think it will embolden the prosecutors, appropriately so, to begin building criminal prosecutions up the ladder, even against those folks who never set foot on capitol property that day. when you think about it in real terms, enrique tarrio is the chairman of the proud boys. he was involved in setting the agenda, giving some of the orders, sort of overseeing the operation. so it really is not at all surprising that the jury held him accountable for the seditious conspiracy when the violent acts were actually being carried out by some of the members of the proud boys organization that kind of fell below enrique tarrio. it really is, again, an important data point, because hopefully the department of justice will begin to work its way up to the hierarchy and the command structure of the insurrection, not just the foot soldiers, not just the boots of the insurrection. >> so, glenn, when you have a

partial verdict in this case, do you think -- how long do you think it could take until we get maybe a complete verdict here or, in your experience, have partial verdicts tended to lend themselves to mistrials for those charges? >> yeah, great question. it could fall either way. you know, they resolved several issues with guilty verdicts and they're still deliberating on other issues. i would say in long cases, multidefendant cases with lots of charges, partial verdicts are not at all unusual. it's going to fall one of two ways. either they're going to come back with a unanimous verdict, guilty or not guilty or they're going to end up declaring that they are hung, hopelessly deadlocked and at that point, the judge might declare a mistrial, but the offenses of conviction already add up to 50 years of a maximum punishment for four of the convicted proud

boys and pazola if you add up the maximum for the offenses he was convicted of. he's facing 30 years, so the proud boys are already in very deep trouble. >> thank you. the nfl is facing new scrutiny today after the attorneys general for new york and california announced a joint investigation into allegations of employment discrimination and a hostile work environment. nbc's kathy park is following the story. walk us through the allegations and what we're hearing from the nfl? >> reporter: hey, good afternoon to you. essentially this investigation, this probe launched by the ags in new york and california will see if any sort of employment, discrimination laws were broken, and this stems from allegations from several former employees, who, as you mentioned, claim a toxic work environment, a hostile work environment, ageism, sex discrimination, the list goes on and on. the ag of new york, letitia james said in part, no person

should ever have to endure harassment, discrimination or abuse in the workplace, no matter how powerful or influential. no institution is above the law, and we will ensure the nfl is held accountable. we should note that the investigation is focused on the corporate level. no teams or players have been named. so subpoenas have been issued to the league, and of course the nfl issued a statement when they found out about this. and it was released earlier today, and that says the allegations are entirely inconsistent with the nfl's values and practices. the nfls practices were employees of all genders, races and backgrounds thrive. we do not tolerate discrimination in any form. and the statement goes on to say they will fully cooperate with the ag's investigation. they also cited that in 2018, there was a similar inquiry by the ag of new york as well as other attorneys general, and they said they have protocols in

place when it comes to this type of discrimination, that they mentioned, and this is something that we have been kind of following for several years, and it's kind of compounded over time. in 2014, you might remember that really shocking video of one of the football players in an elevator, assaulting his fiance, and the nfl said that they took many steps to address when it comes to any sort of battery, harassment, and they said they took steps as far as hiring more women in the workplace as well, but a lot of people, a lot of former employees are saying that the culture kind of continued and obviously with the subpoena and the investigation, we'll see what comes out of it. >> kathy park, thank you. let's turn to capitol hill where senate democrats are taking big swings at the debt limit bill passed by the house. nbc's ali vitali joins us with more. this morning's budget committee hearing was titled the default on blackmail, brinkmanship, and

billionaire back room deals. how did that go? >> yeah, about how you would expect, especially off of that title, and the moment that we're in right now on capitol hill. the house is out, but we've seen a lot of posturing from senate democrats and republicans in the halls just over the last few days, ahead of the meeting next week between the core four republicans and democrats from both the house and the senate with president biden. ahead of that, the posturing has sounded a lot like what we hear in the halls. for example, take a look at this. >> maga republicans dangerous bill proposes a terrible choice. default on our financial obligations, causing widespread pain and wrecking our economy or gut basic federal programs essentially to our economic strength causing widespread pain and wrecking our economy. it is a false and unnecessary choice. >> the american people expect us to work on a bipartisan basis to

address the challenges that america faces, rather than holding hearings that are about preening and posturing and politicizing and trying to blame the other party. it's really embarrassing. >> reporter: and look, romney there saying it's embarrassing, but he's also right, there is going to have to be a bipartisan solution to this in some form or fashion. the only thing people here can agree on is defaulting on the debt for the first time in american history would be really catastrophically bad. nevertheless, what we saw in the hearing was less bipartisan and much more contentious as each side, again, tries to get their view out there ahead of this meeting next week at the white house. >> ali vitali, thank you. dhs secretary mayorkas on the border with controversial immigration policy title 42 inching closer to its expiration date. are local officials prepared for what to come. i'm going to ask the mayor of el paso in 0i6r seconds.

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there are just seven days left until title 42 ends. it's expected to put a massive strain on officials and communities on the southern border. the secretary of homeland security alexander mayorkas is reviewing the federal regulations for what could be a record surge of migration. homeland security correspondent julia ainsley is following the story from mcallen, texas. it's good to see you. what is the message for officials along the border? >> reporter: he's here meeting with officials right now, local officials as well as border agents and he's trying to show them they are prepared. the agency has been supported as they prepare for the massive migrant surge next week. they are already at capacity in their shelters here, at the processing centers. it's expected to get far beyond that. we have heard estimates of 10,000 migrants crossing per day.

some things have changed in recent years. this area behind me has seen thousands of migrants passing over the rio grande every day, the kind of numbers that would have led to the masses we saw two years ago. now they're getting them out quickly, buses and buses come by here taking migrants away to try to make this as efficient as possible. mayorkas's message is to keep up the efficiencies so they don't have backlogs. the issue is, rio grande valley might be prepared for something like that. but just west of us in el paso, texas, they are probably not because they already have 1,000 migrants over that sleeping on the streets according to the people who are running the shelters there in that city, and many of those migrants were not first processed. they came through evading border protection, so they have come through and haven't been processed yet. that is probably a bigger issue. in fact, a question we'll ask mayorkas when he does hold a press conference tomorrow is why did they come here to show what the border is like than el paso, when rio grande valley is the

third busiest sector right now. he's going to have to take this message sector by sector because some will be better equipped to handle the surge than others. >> we'll be watching for the answers tomorrow. thank you. i want to bring in oscar leeser, mayor of el paso, texas, where a state of emergency was declared on monday. good to be with you. thank you very much for joining us on this. what does this state of emergency mean? what does it allow you to do? >> it allows us to start opening up -- a couple have been closed down. we're preparing it to have asylum seekers go into those schools and have sheltering. our sheltering is temporary sheltering, so we can continue help them go to their destination, whether with families, friends, wherever they're going next. the schools will be open early next week, and we had a state of emergency last sunday, and it's

taken to this point to get them ready. we will be also preparing the civic center that we'll continue to help us shelter and help asylum seekers. we have about 2,000 people currently on the streets that have come through. they may not have a number, and that's something we're continuing to work with in the department of homeland security and the red cross has come to el paso to help us be able to deal with that. >> and mayor, i know in interviews, you and other people who waited on the situation say we need comprehensive immigration reform to prevent scenes like this, but in the meantime, you said it, crowds of people sleeping on the streets in your city, some 2,000. what has been the impact on people living there, on your city's resources? >> well, it's so important to note that the immigration process is broken, and it has to be fixed. we can't continue forever to go at this pace, and so the federal government has been a great partner to the city of el paso, and actually has given us the

money, the work through to help people go to the next destination, and continue to work with them. we cannot continue at this pace. it's really a pace that couldn't go on forever. there needs to be an end game, and that's something that i always continue to talk about. how do we continue to change the narrative, and how do we -- you know, we work together. even though title 42 is expiring, we're still going to have title 8. title 8 just is really has more consequences than title 42. if you're expelled originally in title 42. you can continue to come back, and those are some of the numbers we'll see. we'll see people come in more than once a day. on title 8, which takes a little longer to process and the time to expedite that process, there is consequences and you will be expelled from the u.s. for five years minimum, and if, again, you continue to do that, you'll be expelled forever. >> and we're seeing some video right now of the streets of el paso, texas, and mayor, i understand that you went just across the border for those who

aren't familiar. i mean, you have the i-10, and then you have on one side, el paso, texas. on the other side, you have mexico, and you were in juarez where thousands of people were camped out. what did it tell you about what you and your community need to expect? >> well, they kept talking about 35,000, so i wanted to go over there and talk to the officials in mexico and find out what the number is, and what's going on. there is about 8 to 10,000 people currently on the streets in juarez, and there's about another 3,500 that are coming that will be here prior to title 42 expiring. the biggest problem i see is as we talk to people on the street, as they believe that after title 42 expires, they'll have asylum into the united states, and that's not what's going to happen. our borders are closed today, and our borders will continue to close once title 42 expires. so i went to the shelters. the second largest shelter in juarez only has 20 people in there because they're at the

border. there's about 10,000 people at the border ready to come in once title 42 expires. so i tell people that we are actually preparing for the unknown. and we're prepared. but we don't know what's going to happen the following day. >> all right. mayor oscar leeser, thank you for joining us in a certainly busy time in your city, and please come back and let us know how things are going. we appreciate it. >> thank you, and i want to thank you for giving us the opportunity for our priorities, that our community and asylum seekers continue to be safe. >> thank you, mayor. more questions and concerns about possible ethics violations at the supreme court, the accusations and what if anything congress can do. that's next. d what if anything congress can do. that's next.

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now back to that story we brought you last hour. the doj found a community in alabama without sewage systems has been neglected by the state's health department. i want to bring back nbc's yamiche alcindor, we were interrupted last hour with some breaking news, but bring us through your extensive reporting and what comes next. >> after an 18 month investigation, the departments of justice and health and human services have determined that the alabama county public health department as well as the loudoun county health department, they failed to remedy conditions that left a predominantly black community living among raw sewage and failing sewage systems. this was a story that was hard to report because people have

literally human waste pooling in their yards, in playgrounds, and now today officials are announcing an interim resolution agreement to really remedy the situation. they say this is going to be a first step. they also say it's a first of its kind agreement. they're going to suspend enforcement of sanitation laws that could result in fines, criminal arrests or liens on people's homes. they're going to conduct a survey so they can figure out who needs working sewage systems and who needs to be prioritized. they're also going to make sure they study the health consequences and the health risks of living amid raw sewage exposure, because so many people for generations in this predominantly black rural community have been doing just that. this is a big development, and there are so many people who have been wanting and pushing for this. so definitely something we're going to keep covering, and also should say the investigation now that the doj and hhs that they were conducting, it has been suspended, but they say if state and local officials don't take some of the steps i just outlined, they will start the

investigation up again. >> thank you for keeping us updated. yamiche alcindor, thank you. bomb shell reporting from propublica is raising additional questions about the ethics of supreme court justice clarence thomas. harlan you allegedly paid the tuition at a private boarding school for thomas's grand nephew who he was raising as a son, citing a bank statement. the exact amount paid is not clear, the article suggests the sum could have exceeded $150,000 if he paid for all four years. nbc news has not confirmed this propublica reporting. combined with propublica's previous reporting on thomas and you, it paints a picture of a billionaire donor, funding multiple aspects of the life of a supreme court justice, including lavish vacations on his private yacht and jet and the purchase of the house where the justice's mother lives rent free. justice thomas declined to comment on the new reporting and has not responded to nbc news

but he has previously said you and his wife are among our dearest friends and he understood he didn't have to disclose the trips. you and his wife have supported many young americans at a variety of schools, including his alma mater, the statement added quote it's disappointing that those with partisan political interests would try to turn helping at risk youth with tuition assistance into something nefarious and political. joining me is legal correspondent laura jarrett, and also joining us is jonathan lemire, white house bureau chief for "politico," host of msnbc's "way too early," and msnbc political analyst. what does federal law require in terms of disclosure of these types of things? >> the justices have to disclose their financial ties and most gifts, including gifts to their minor children, their dependents. it appears from propublica that

thomas did report a $5,000 tuition payment for the grand nephew who he was raising as his son in 2002, but he didn't report the other payments from you, as you explained who was at the crux of all of these other sort of luxuries that he's getting. and so the question is, why did he not report the you tuition payments, yet he did for this other payment for martin's behalf. his defenders are out there saying, look, the disclosure rules suggest you don't have to disclose if the gift is for a grand nephew, only if it's for your actual child, even though he was raising him as a son. the larger issue is not the disclosure, the appearance of impropriety. you see this clamoring among people in the senate for stricter ethics rules because the supreme court doesn't have an ethics court. >> we got reaction from three senators who serve on the judiciary committee. let's listen. >> i hope the chief justice

roberts reads this story this morning and understands something has to be done. >> i think the best thing for the chief justice roberts and the judges to do is to take this experience and go back and consider whether there are changes in their code of ethics for the supreme court are appropriate. >> we need the department of justice to investigate clarence thomas's apparent failure to report or misreporting. these inaccuracies, if purposeful, amount to a violation of criminal law. >> jonathan, you have been in washington a long time. how far outside the norm is this, and the senate judiciary committee, they had a hearing on this and chief roberts didn't show up. is there any chance congress, in fact, does take action on this? is it ultimately up to the doj and would they have an appetite to do so? >> it is extraordinary. of course it's not just today's revelation but the steady stream of dribs and drabs that have come out in the last couple of

weeks through terrific reporting. mostly senator clarence thomas, and mostly around harlan you, but allegations around justice gorsuch about supreme court justices not reporting these extravagant gifts it would seem, and one wonders about not refusing themselves from cases that may be pertinent to the people involved. it's raised a whole host of questions, and we should remind everyone that it was clarence thomas's wife who was working with mark meadows and others in the white house to seemingly try to overturn election results back in 2020. justice thomas didn't recuse himself for that either. there are a whole lot of democrats who are hopping mad about this. senator durbin, the chair of the judiciary committee, when he held that hearing this week, we talked to him on "morning joe," he was deeply disappointed that chief justice roberts did not show. roberts who says he's an institutionalist, who cares about the reputation of the court, but yet didn't partake in this. i think it was actually senator cornyn, the republican, that's most note worthy of the sound you played.

so many republicans, including senator graham of south carolina have defended the justices involved, and that was a republican senator from texas saying, hey, maybe a code of ethics is needed here. it's not clear what more steps the senate will take. i do think you're right, some of this would have to fall at the feet of doj, but maybe there will be more momentum in a bipartisan way to get something on the books, some sort of code of ethics for the supreme court. >> that's congress. would there be potentially any movement on the supreme court itself? i mean, they just had their ethics code changed a little bit. that's why we're talking about some of this. didn't check a box, didn't disclose something, thought he didn't have to and it's clear he does. >> do you see anything changing here in terms of the supreme court policing itself? >> as of right now, no. the chief justice has said basically trust us, we know how to do this. we use the code that other federal judges as guidance. >> but federal judges are under

much more scrutiny than supreme court justices. >> and he has said you should trust we know how to police ourselves, essentially. i don't see the appetite among the nine justices who have life tenure, to do anything, to actually take a step to have stricter rules. certainly the public outcry about this could change things, and i don't want to rule it out, but as of right now, it just doesn't seem like it's in the cards. >> laura jarrett and jonathan, thank you, you're going to stick with me though. unproven allegations by russia playing out on the battlefield. we'll head to kyiv where russians just unleashed a new wave of missile strikes. next. missile strikes. next corner including walgreens. but do i have to give up sweets? if you work out a diet plan, nothing is off limits. you dropped it! i don't know if i can afford all these prescriptions. we've got discount programs, you've got options. i'm just glad i have you to talk to about this. that's what i'm here for. the cgm, still getting used to it.

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oklahoma authorities have now identified seven bodies discovered in a search for missing teens and say they were killed in an apparent murder suicide. police say convicted sex offender jesse mcfadden who was on trial for child pornography charges killed five teenagers, his wife holly and himself at a rural property while the teens were having a sleepover. the ages range from 13 to 17 and their bodies were found in two groups on the large property where the mcfadden's rented a home. russia is ramping up the rhetoric today after russia claimed without evidence that ukraine tried to kill vladimir putin. now it's accusing the u.s. of directing the drone attack on the kremlin. the u.s. and ukraine have denied that claim, and russia has yet

to provide any evidence, but the fallout from that is being felt from moscow to kyiv, with russian rockets raining down on the ukrainian capital overnight. in southern ukraine, officials released pictures they say show russian drones shot down with handwritten messages saying for the kremlin. also today, ukrainian president zelenskyy is at the hague visiting the international criminal court that has charged president putin with war crimes. that coming a day after a former russian president compares zelenskyy to hitler calling for his quote physical elimination. ellison barber is following it all from kyiv. jonathan lemire is still with us. those remarks from former president medvedev is symbolic, as russia preparing to celebrating may 9th, victory day, the soviet union defeated nazi germany. >> reporter: let me start with just setting the scene for you of what it's been like in kyiv for the last hour.

there is an air-raid siren that went off for the entire region of kyiv. until the city we heard a series of what sounded like a lot of pops. it was ukraine's air defense. then this is when we saw. things in the sky falling, clouds of smoke, the mayor of this city is saying that an unmanned aerial vehicle was recorded over kyiv. he says it was shot down by anti-aircraft defense forces. they're reporting that there was a fire at a four-story residential building. they're saying it was the result of debris falling from this drone. they say the fire has been put out. now they're trying to assess the extent if there are any in terms of injuries or potential victims on the ground. this comes on the heels of everything you were just laying out that incident in moscow, which they claim was two drones sent over by ukraine, in an attempt, russia says to assassination president vladimir

putin. ukraine has adamantly denied having any involvement in this. they say these were not their drones. they knew nothing about it. they say a strike like this would do nothing to benefit them on the battlefield. president zelenskyy saying they do not have extra weapons to spare to carry something out like this. earlier today, we heard from president putin's spokesperson. dmitry peskov and he brought up the idea that perhaps the u.s. had something to do with this, saying that anything he does essentially comes from the united states. we heard from the u.s. now on this, as secretary of state weighing in, saying there's absolutely no truth to that, calling a specific comment from dmitry peskov a lie. listen. >> we still don't really know what happened, so we're not making an assessment right now. i did see comments from dmitry peskov this morning. putin's claiming we had something to do with it. i can assure you there was no

involvement by the united states. we had nothing to do with this, so peskov is just lying there, pure and simple. >> reporter: so john kirby there with the national security council from the white house, so he's denying that. again, ukraine has adamantly denied. all of these claims coming from the kremlin. there is a third party siding with ukraine here, a nongovernmental organization, the institute for the study of war say they believe this was something done internally in moscow and that perhaps it was an effort to cater to a domestic audience as they lead up to the important holiday in moscow. victory day on may 9th and part of a wider plan for societal mobilization. >> ellison barber, thank you to you and your crew. stay safe over there. you have new reporting in "politico" on what the u.s. knew and when, what are you learning? >> as to what was discussed, the white house adamantly denies they were involved in this. they add they didn't get a heads up, no advanced warning as to

what was going to happen, and they're exploring what did take place, and as just speaking to sources a few minutes ago, they still have no real sense. there are a few options. this might have been a false flag option, russia did it to themselves, in an effort to stir up domestic support or use it as an excuse to lash out further to escalate the violence in ukraine. officials here in the u.s. point out to me, it's not like russia has been holding back. they have kind of used the limits of their capabilities short of something like a tactical nuclear strike which by all intelligence estimates, russia seems loathe to do in part because of the blow back there would be from the likes of china and other places. so the other option here, and if kyiv was not directly responsible is this may have been some other pro ukrainian force or some sort of anti-putin force in russia. amateur effort here, small drone, no real chance of

success. we know the u.s. government has acknowledged the suspicion that ukraine has carried out attacks within the borders of russia throughout the conflict. you know, the car bomb that killed the daughter of a prominent russian nationalist last year. there was that explosion in the st. petersburg cafe that killed a russian war blogger a few weeks ago, as well as ammunition warehouses that have exploded in russia since the start of the conflict, and kyiv has never claimed direct responsibility. there is a sense both in europe and in the u.s. that it was either ukrainian forces themselves or groups acting on their behalf, pro kyiv groups, carrying out missions in russia. that's a possibility here too. but the short answer is there's multiple options. false flag among them, and the u.s. simply doesn't know. and vladimir putin, we should note, returned to work today at the kremlin there, and we heard from dmitry peskov.

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state. and it would effectively give the secretary of state the power to overturn election results but only in one place. harris county. this is the third largest county in the country. it used to be basically a republican stronghold. in the last decade, it has turned more democratic, and i want to bring in democratic strategist, basil michael, the former chair of the new york state democratic party. basil, this essentially would allow the secretary of state to toss out, i'm going to read here, if there is good cause to believe that at least 2% of polling places ran out of usable ballots during voting hours. how common of a problem is this at polling places, and what is this move by legislatures? >> it's not common at all. every board of elections in every state has some difficulty on election day. i don't want to say we ignore that, but we handle it, deal with it. doesn't at all amount to fraud. what you're hearing is the beginnings or a foundation of a broader conspiracy that they're

trying to promote to make it okay for them to enact this law. so the reality is that it's not -- it's not a legitimate reason to do this at all. it's never lit to undermine the will of the voter. that's exactly what they're intending to do here. it has significant consequences. you have this african-american member of congress who wants to take cruise. you have more and more african-americans gleaning into the vote particularly at these crucial moments in history. we saw, even though there was a lower turnout in 2022, what african americans did to help democrats. this is all part of this broader conspiracy, and broader challenge in secretaries of state and republican-led legislatures trying to suppress the vote. >> do you get a sense here that this will undermine people's faith in the votes? do you get a sense it could deter people from coming out? i want to remind people we saw voter rules changing in georgia, but we saw people coming out in

droves, nevertheless. >> remember in 2020, the mantra was make a plan to vote. we all talked about it, we all repeated and it was very very effective in helping joe biden and democrats cross the line. we're going to need that again. the average voting time to vote for african americans across the country, particularly in places like georgia is four hours. for white voters, it's significantly less, and there's a reason for that. voter suppression, voter intimidation, when you layer those on top of each other, in addition to the laws being made to undermine the vote and disenfranchise voters, it makes it incredibly difficult. make a plan to vote. we can do as much as we can to get over the hump. >> i want to talk about something going on in oregon right now, a state senate republican group there. they have extended their boycott into a second day, essentially, over what they say was a violation of senate rules. democrats, though, they say this is actually over their opposition to voting on key gun safety and reproductive health bills. either way, they weren't able to

make a quorum to do their jobs. we have seen more and more of these state legislatures sort of making these headlines, these moves on big national issues here. how does what's happening in oregon impact the future of their bills, the future of their ability to get their jobs done? >> i liken this to january 6th. republicans said we don't want to do anything with this committee. they abdicated their responsibility to try to have a role in creating a narrative for how this country was attacked own that day. and look at what happened. democrats were able to write an uninterrupted narrative about what happened on january 6th. similar can happen in these state legislatures. governing out of spite by walking out of the room or not showing up during hearings is not good governance. >> expelling members. >> and expelling medical examiner is not good governance. i think what we'll see in oregon as we will in other parts of the country, if republicans don't want to do their jobs, democrats

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dominic pazolla, we could hear from the jury on whether they were able to reach a verdict for the top two charges as well as lower level charges. one of the biggest cases to come out of the investigation and the highest charges, the seditious conspiracy charge grew out of the civil war era and rarely used. they will be looking at a significant time of incarceration when sentencing comes around. >> keep us posted, thank you. hackers target a university with a new method to threaten students and faculty. how it's different than the usual m.o. we have that next. how it's diff usual m.o. we have that next. blocking heartburn before it starts.

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appears to be a new ransom wear attackers with hackers hijacking the school's emergency alert system to threaten students and staff directly. nbc news reporter, kevin collier is on this story for us. this is the first time we're talking about hacking an emergency alert system. this is like god for bid, active shooter on campus, shelter in place. >> this is the first time we have seen them leverage that. all kinds of broad tool kits for how they try to coerce people into paying, this is the first time they have taken over an emergency alert system. >> you saw this coming. >> it has been speculated that this is something they could do in theory, and now it's here. >> how significant is this and how different from the typical mo? >> they might try to encrypt their victims' computer networks, we're going to lock up your computer and make things unworkable unless you pay for a key. other people can work out keys of their own. more and more, they're stressing

we took your personal information, students, clients' personal information, we're going to leak it on the dark web if you don't pay up. this is an extension of that tactic, which is we're going to tell the victims, tell the ceo, tell the university president that they have to pay or we're leaking your information. >> what is the quote unquote, benefit, for hackers to do it that way is this. >> the more stress they can put on a victim, the more likely they're going to get a payout. they're asking for bitcoin ransom every single time. that's what they're after is money. >> kevin collier, we're going to have to leave there. we have breaking news in relation to the proud boys trial. there is another partial verdict here. at least one more count against one of the defendants here. asking my producer here if we have ryan reilly on stand by. it doesn't look like we have ryan reilly outside the courthouse. i know he's on this, and katy tur is going to have more.

we have more breaking news on the proud boys trial at the top of the hour. join "chris jansing reports" every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern. i'll be back here tomorrow, and katy tur in addition to that breaking news will also welcome geoffrey hinton, known as the god father of ai to discuss the existential threat he believes that technology poses to society. "katy tur reports" starts right now. we are going to get an additional verdict in a moment. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. convicted, four members of the proud boys, including former leader, enrique tarrio have been found guilty of seditious conspiracy for attempting to overthrow the government on january 6th in order to keep donald trump in power. in the four-month trial, prosecutors painted the proud boys as donald trump's army. they argued the defendants took the former president's 2020 tweet that the protest on january 6th