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now it's time for the last wor with ali velshi, in fo lawrence tonight, good evening ali. alex, i'm, like you are like all the shows where do we do, think i like all the shows, bu i particularly excited but tonight i'm zoe zephyr on wh is censored by the montana house. we have justin jones fro tennessee, and i've got maxwel frost on here. it's interesting to me, becaus a man of a certain age, to hav these young people, who are th civil rights fighters of our time, it's amazing to watch. >> and such a contrast wit what we are led to believe about government, and it's antipathy towards the people and if there is reason for optimism in this moment, it' you didn't guess on your show. >> the really, it is and

there's people who don't believe in the way things work or the way things are an prepared to challenge, it an say there's a different wa going forward, i'm excited for it >> will be a great show iconoclasts, we'll be watching ali. >> before we get to, that we'v got some breaking news though. donald trump has lost anothe legal battle tonight, a federal appeals court rejected his attempt t block his former vice presiden mike pence, from testifying in front of the jacks mitt federa grand jury, investigatin trump's role in overturning th 2020 election. donald trump could appeal th decision to the supreme court, but if he doesn't, mike penc is likely to be before a grand jury very soon there's a lot of other trump legal news to cover soon, as the indicted former presiden was the subject of extensive and graphic testimony, from e. jean carroll, in the civil rap case in -- we but first, in the battle fo the soul of america, pay attention to the state legislatures these are the front lines.

me another republican-led stat legislature voted to kick out democrat who dissented this is montana stat representative so exam for, people of whose district 100 the city of missoula elected t represent them today republicans voted to bar her from the state house chamber for the rest of th current legislative session. the republican playbook here i very similar to what we al watched in tennessee her transgression -- with breaking with the quoru in the chamber that's the thing these day so's effort is trans she i montana's first and only trans lawmaker and last week she sai this to our republican colleagues as they pushed bill to restrict gende affirming care for minors. >> i'll say if you vote yes on this bill and yes on these amendments, i hope the nex

time there is in implication when you about your heads in prayer, you see the blood on your hands >> republicans also accuse representative zephyr of inciting demonstrators, who ha assembled in the house gallery to supporter again, very similar to what we saw on the tennessee state house. in just a few hours, ago the montana state house voted 68 t 32, along party lines, to ba representatives effort fro entering the chamber for the rest of the legislativ session. she can vote in a sessions remotely speaking before the vote thi afternoon, representativ zephyr, who will join us i just a moment, defended he initial comments she defended the right of he constituents to have the representative in the stat house chamber. she defended democracy itself. >> last week, i spoke on the governor's amendments to send bill 99, which banned gender affirming care this is a bill that was one of many, targeting the lgbt community, in montana. i've had friends who have take their lives because of these bills, i fielded calls fro

families in montana includin one family, whose tran teenager attempted to take her life while watching a hearin on one of the anti-trans bills so, when i rose up and said, there is blood on your hands i was not being hyperbolic i was speaking to the real consequences of the votes, tha we as legislators, take in thi body and when the speaker asked m to apologize, on behalf of decorum, but he's really askin me to do is be silent, when my community is facing bills that get us killed. he is asking me to be complicit, in this legislatures eradication of our community and i refuse to do so, and i will always refused to do so i would also say, that if yo use decorum, to silence people who hold you accountable

then in the name of all you're doing, is using to quorum as a tool of oppression when the speaker disallowing t speak, what he was doing was taken away the voice, and th 11,000 montana, who elected me to speak on their behalf well my community did is cam here and said that is our voic in this body let her speak, let her speak and when the speaker gaveled down, the people demanding the democracy work, demanding that their representatives be heard -- in the coffin of democracy but you cannot, kill democracy that easily. >> you cannot kill democracy and easily we know republicans are usin these attacks to ignite their, base it's kind of a cynica political neil-ism, that is an interest in making their lif any better through policy, it'

about uttering people, makin them scary as we heard stat representatives after say, it' causing real harm. today, outside the capital another prominent youn democrat condemned republicans >> for these, folks january 6t was just a dress rehearsal it was just address for, hustl because legally, let's not los the plot, they were trying t block a duly elected official, in this, case the president of the united states, from taking office and legislatures across th country looked at had, and said, you know what? let's try to get representativ jones out from office. let's try to get representativ zoe's effort in montana, out o office let's try to kick out th people, because we cannot beat them this is what fascism does, whe it is on its hind heels. it is always darkest befor dawn, we are winning thi thing. we are winning this thing. >> they attention to state legislatures, these are th

frontlines also joining alexandra ocasio-cortez at that rally, which coincidently was called, on the frontlines of democracy young and fed up two other young democrats wh will also be joining us in jus a moment tennessee state representative justin jones, and the youngest member the u.s. house, florida democrat maxwell frost >> as we saw in tennessee, their action was to set precedent. we saw what happened in montan a couple of hours ago, and i we do not stand together, it will continue to happen agai and again and again, and gro more extreme and, so our message is quite simple it's that if you come from one of, us you come for all of us. you come from one of us, you come for all of us >> we've seen the rise of this right-wing movement, that is dangerous. and targeting marginalized communities. because they don't hav solutions to the affordabl housing crisis, they don't hav solutions to ending gu violence, they don't hav

solutions to the existential climate crisis so what they want to do instea is pick marginalized communities, lgbtq+ folks. like, history books, immigrants, and target them instead. we are here to challenge power we're here to reclaim power. and we're here to build power. not just for communities, bu with them. with them. >> joining us now with democratic state representativ zoe that, for democratic u.s congressman maxwell frost of florida, and democratic stat representative justin jones of tennessee. i'm not of tabby all here, thank you for being with us representative zephyr, le me please start with you you are speeches, includin your speech today. you have taken what they accused you of doing, breachin decorum, and you have put that up against death, literally. you've said that what thes laws do, is they can end up in peoples deaths whether it's suicides, because people live in a society tha

others, and tells and they'r not welcome, and they're scary and they're a threat or becaus some trenches hate against trans people >> that's exactly right, i giv the example of suicide in my speech, but we also people attacked and public, run ove by vehicles in montana the violence is escalating, an these create the condition about violence in our state, and the legislators that are trying to pass them, we will stand up in defense of our communities, they want t silence us >> representative jones, thank you and welcome to the show. he said if you come to one o us, you come for all of us >> and you can kind of the tennessee legislature, that wa gonna be the case. what you saw was a whole bunch of people don't know anythin about tennessee, the tennessee legislature, were you, signing up and saying, not only to get one help this cause but i want

to get into the cause. >> definitely, what we'r seeing, and what we are warnin about in tennessee, it was t set a precedent, so we knew if they came from one of us the comfort of their service as we saw today with representative's effort in montana, this trend toward authoritative darren's moves will continue. in a stand together in solidarity as a multiracial, multi generational movement to say, we will not allow fascism to happen without a challenge. we care more about democracy than we do about decorum, we care more about young people and those false, decorum - is dominant narrative of injustice. so we must stand together, w stand with you, and whatever w can do to support, let you kno when solidarity from tennessee as we know this is a ver dangerous trend toward a roa we don't go down >> representatives, after

doesn't make you feel? because you are a little different this conversation. your fight is not as far dow the road, as the fight for civil rights and black americans, and even game arrogance. being trans in this country, i very, very hard right now. how do you feel what representative jones says, whe you come for one of us, yo come for all of us and we're with you >> i feel solidarity, what else could feel we know in this moment, tran people by the targeted usual o from the far-right, over 400 bills targeted curry this year but i know also montana th first people standing up for m where the american india caucus pointing out that our state ha a long history of targetin marginalized communities with policies that lead to separation death we know for gonna succeed in this one community is no enough to shift the tides of

history here we need all of us in here an fighting together. >> congressman frost, i'm more than twice the age of all of you. it is kind of interestin because representative joh says this is multigenerational and it's multi racial. it does seem to be a lot o young people, it's a multi generational can you get the rest of us who are not as creative, to get on this bandwagon, and say it's going to look different future it's going to change representative ocasio-cortez says its darkest before th dawn, to believe that to b true can you get the rest of us t sign on to it. >> i do believe it to be true, and i believe to be true because when we go to thes actions, when we're out on the streets, were protesting for our rights, the rights of ou neighbors, the trans community lgbtq plus, black folks, immigrants, poor folks in this country. it's young people but it's all generations coming together an what we know and we heard this time and time again a pres conference earlier today as we stand on the shoulders o

giants and elders who've com before us. -- i'm sure representative jone has had this to the youn people were save us. and here's the thing, it shoul be up to the young people to save us, we need everybody working together, multiracial, multi generational, coming together to fight for the worl we deserve, that's how we buil in america that's true to it promise, and in america that's true to its promise, rejects for fascism and embraces democracy. a democracy where someone like representatives effort can stand up, for thei constituents, for he constituents that deserve to have that representation what we see happening is the right wing understands the tim is not on their side at this incoming generation of voter is voting for democrats an people who are gonna fight for them and so they're clinchin on to that power wit everything they can do that's why we are seeing thi rise in right wing fascism i this country, we're gonna figh it and win -- >> let's talk about somethin

you mentioned outside th capital today, you are talking about they don't have solution to climate, as you jus mentioned, the thing that go representative jones kicked ou and the thing that you'r talking about the no it seem to have a solution, for despit the fact that most americans would like it to sort, it ou is guns. guns as violence is no complicated to most americans, across the political spectrum. there are solutions to this, representative jones and his colleagues down there, we're trying to draw attention t that in the way that democracy says relied to draw tension to things, nobody was setting anything on, fire known we saw in anything through any windows, known as trying to overtake th tennessee legislature. but in the end, how do you lea on this thing? how do you get yourself, and you get politics in this natio in line with the things that people actually want to happen >> that's the thing, bipartisanship to the rest o us means what we can agree on, when it comes out of universal background checks, and commo sense gun reform, most americans, most republicans, most nra members are for commo sense reform but the definition o

bipartisanship in the united states congress in washington, d.c., it takes a little bit of it definition, and because wha the nra are okay with. what we know to be true is with this new generation o voters, we are calling out the bs, and we are voting out th people who are continuing th systems of oppression, that ar not allowing us to pass th laws we need, so we can live i a country where we have true freedom. the freedom to live, and our communities, and schools, in our homes, without that fear o violence and it comes down to these republicans and stat legislatures, really scapegoating decorum let's be clear, it's not about to, quorum if it was about quorum we hear them talkin about what happened on january 6th. what it is izzy' representatives have challenge a system of white supremacy. of massaging a i've transphobia and they are challenging tha and they don't want it to be challenge. it has nothing to do with th quorum, and everything wit keep it in a systems that have kept the three of, us an

people who look like, us and our us for generations out o positions of power that's changing in thi country. >> so let's talk about tha representative jones people like, you and representative, zephyr got int politics to change structure right? and it's not always the case some people get into politics, because they like the structure, they think it's fun to take paycheck and be a politician and give speeches. you guys got into it this to change the structure and, yet in both tennessee and montana, you have republican supermajority, and in tennesse some of those republicans, didn't run against anyone in the past election. they were claimed in their seat which is a fascinatin piece of information in 2023 that someone gets a claim. i don't know why it happens in needs to not happen. but as a result of you've been injected, a whole bunch of people across this country said, i would run for, office i' gonna get involved i campaigns. >> i mean that is, what give me hope, is that if you look a what they did, it's that their attacks on democracy are

galvanizing move, because they have lost a generation and the truth be told, and i nulki lake is, the systems o white supremacy and transphobia, and homophobia, of plantatio politics are dying, and so that's why we're seeing this extreme reaction, because they know, look at the screen right now sir presents the future of america. this represents the vision o america that they're s fearful. of because it's an inclusive america is one it affirmed solidarity with each other, bu let them be on notice that thi is just the beginning. we're gonna continue to push forward towards that vision of america, that lives up to what it says on paper towards that vision of america that challenges this notion, people like us don't belong in elected office because we're not going in there to make friends, we're going to know to make change and that's the difference, w are not gonna assimilate, we'r not gonna could form to system, as women to make u feel small, and to stifle ou voices in the voices of ou constituents we have to push for together

and the systems, their time is come and a new generation is rising up. to make america what it ough to be. >> is always, effort tell us what we don't know, in you life you decided to run, because of these laws that were being passed in montana. you, like representative jones decided to get involved as a result of this this has got to be very, ver hard for you, it's not fun being trans in america, it's not fun being trans in public, and it's not been fun bein trans in it republican supermajority legislature, where they just silence to today. tell me what motivates you right now? >> so i want to draw a quick distinction there, and tha we're seeing a huge increase in attacks legislatively, on the tran community, but the policie that they're bringing forwar are out of step with an averag americans when i watch wal through my community i am known, i am loved, and i'm supported, and my community sees the jo that trans people have when we

step in and get to be ourselves. as for what i'm feeling, now when you stand up on behalf of democracy, when you make the correct moral and ethica choice it's hard to feel anything other than pride in that moment, and pride for the people who came to the capitol to show support for democrac and know that it works >> what a remarkable conversation, thanks to al three of you for being here, and thanks for doing what yo do for democracy representative zoe, zephyr tennessee representative justi jones, florida congressman maxwell frost, we appreciate you while being with u tonight. coming, up today, it has t serve all we can came to tel her republican senators, ted cruz and john cornyn, i nearly died because of their suppor for texas radical antiabortion agenda, that's next. and where it's headed. no fingersticks needed. manage your diabetes with more confidence. freestyle libre 2. try it for free at freestylelibre.us

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was emotional message from a texas woman but her senators republican senator john cornyn and ted cruz for supportin that radical anti abortion law in texas in a hearing in the senate judiciary committee on the pil rolling, amanda -- told her story of witnessing a rupture 18 weeks into pregnancy, the subsequent infection tha almost killed her, and did result in permanent damage t one of her fallopian tubes >> i wanted to my address my senators, crews in court, an neither of whom are in the roo right now, but i would like fo

them to know that, wha happened to me i think mos people in the room would agree was horrific but, it is a direct result o the policies that they support i nearly died on their watch and, furthermore, as a resul of what happened to me, i ma have been robbed of th opportunity to have children i the future and it's because of th policies that they support >> now, senators cruz an cornyn left the room befor amanda spoke, so they wore water into their to hear amand describe what it's like to b pregnant and on the brink of death. >> i cannot adequately put int words the trauma and despair the comes with waiting t either lose your own life, you child's, or both for days, i was locked in this bizarre and avoidable hell --

what i did period until th brink of death been playing difficult and complicated enough, we don't need you to make it even mor terrifying, and frankly, downright dangerous to creat life in this country this is gone on long enough, and it's time for you to d your job, your duty, and protect us >> joining us now is democrati senator amy klobuchar of minnesota, she is a member o the senate judiciary committee senator, good to see you again that's for being with us >> thanks for having me on >> let's talk about what happens as a result of hearing like this, we're hearing gut-wrenching testimony, there are thousands of women out there whose testimony we don't hear, but who wake up and fear because something goes wrong i their pregnancy, where the learned they are pregnant, where they learned they ar pregnant too late to be able t do anything about it in thei state. what happens out of this testimony, what can possibly develop? because it seems like each wee we get up, and something yet quasars happening in the effor to ban abortion in thi country.

>> i think that women that com forward with these stories, ali, are incredibly courageous. whether it is a story we heard from amanda today, and this, case it's a miscarriage. she's desperately trying to ge health care, her doctors fac 99-year prison sentences i they simply give her the healt care needs she doesn't know she's suppose to go across west texas on a bus, on a car, where she's supposed to fly out of their everything is dangerous becaus she got sepsis she could'v died in one hour that's archie eventually got the care that she needed it's a horrendous story. she had to go to another state to get health care it's important for people to realize that these laws, whether it's the law in texas, or the law in florida now or what we just saw out of idah where you can't assist pregnan

child crossing the border, it' a criminal prosecution these are real people, these are real children. now and so the point of this whole thing, is we can d something about it after the dobbs decision, when one branch of government m mind does not protect th rights of women in this country, something that was in place fo 15 years, roe v. wade, and it' on congress to do something, and we have that bill in the women's health protection act, that would codify roe v. wad into law, and make sure thos protections are still there to protect women's health care. >> senator lindsey graham, you colleague has now for a second time in the year now called for qualifying abortion bans at a federal level rick scott who's thinking about running for president now -- has said that they will sign that i don't know what their words are the most restrictive abortion legislation that come in where are you a nap at all because we have not been abl

to codify abortion rights fo sometime in this country the public is behind the idea. elad measure after ballo measure shows that they ar about that idea, the supreme court election in wisconsi shows that americans want thei rights protected the election in michigan showe people want that and yet how d you codify it? how do you get it done >> will for school or no we are, to know you can add on you show, let's just, annett maxwell, that zoe. it's the frontline of youn people that are going to hav to show up at these elections. because we know what's going o the house of representatives right now, on an array o topics there out of touch with where the american people are. look at where the people, or a you just pointed, out it's 7 80% of the people of thi country, believe that a woma should make the decision about her health care, and not a politician, and i don't want ted cruz in the waiting room that's very clear. and so what we must do is keep fighting, state by state b

state, he pushing to get thi codified into law knowing that right now in the house o representatives will not d that, when it's a republican run, we are the ones that ar the voice of people right now voice for amanda snl for her care we will know what a patchwor of laws around this country no like what happened with on judge in amarillo texas. two judges on the fift circuit. literally made a decision, i that we know better than doctors, you should be able to put it in the mail, th abortion medication filament used in over half of the abortions, safe in 60 countries, but on the market for over 2 years. you should be able to identify embassy, and oh hey, we thin it should be seven weeks in ten weeks, when american medical association says it' eight. this is extremism, and that' what our incredible three youn leaders were just talking abou when it came to guns i thought and generous excess, we saw what speaker pelosi's husband was bludgeoned with

hammer right before th election, by someone who i reading the stuff. this is extremism. and democrats, moderat republicans, and independent believe in democracy they believe in rights we saw that in the midterm elections, and guess what is gonna be on the ballot in 2024 >> right, and no one has bee successful in pushing that kin of extremism through on th ballot, so i don't know wh they keep leaning into, it wil see what happened, senator thanks for being with, us we appreciate it is always. >> senator amy klobuchar o minnesota. >> coming up today, e. jea carroll told her story about don trump written her in it fo mr. jenner dressiest room in the jury presiding judge warned trump's lawyer he'll potentially fac more legal trouble or four years in the courtroom today will join me next. with type 2 diabetes you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. even at your a1c goal, you're still at risk ...which if ignored could bring you here...

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flirted with donald trump, a she accompanied him to the lingerie section, where he asked her to try and a bodysui for size quote, i didn't really think about going into the dressin room, i thought of it as sor of an opera, an open area. eugene carroll told the jury about what she perceived to be a fun encounter, turned into a rape what happened once you entered the dressing room? he immediately shut the door and shove me up against th wall, and showed me so hard my head banks what were you thinking in moment i was extremely confused suddenly realizing that what i thought was happening, it wa not happening. how did you react in tha moment i was laughing as we walked in and i continue to laugh becaus that sure for a minute, thought maybe was a mistake, that he didn't mean to do that i continue to laugh, just in case he was thinking o something intimate some very rapidly trying t figure, out what's going on? and trying to get out of it at the same time. eugene carroll told the jury that the rape itself laste very few minutes he hears how e. jean carroll said it ended.

>> i got my knee up, i got man of him pushing back, he wa against me, his whole shoulder i couldn't see anything. i couldn't see anything that was happening, but i could certainly feel it. >> you said you got your knee, of what happened next? >> once i could get my knee up i could get him to back off, i could actually move his body, was quite strong, i was an athlete, i could push him back by putting that money up >> what did you do after i would push him off >> i exited the room, i got ou of the story as quickly as i could. >> new york times reports, quote, the courtroom fel silent as carroll describes he counter with trump in grea detail the jurors, who until that point had divided their tensio between carroll and her lawyer turned their gaze to her alone their eyes were fixed on her as she described the pain sh felt during the sexual assault and how she could still feel i will sitting in the courtroom. e. jean carroll said she blame herself for what happened, a reason she said partly contributed to her not reporting this incidents o

police quote, i would think back to why i walked in there to get myself into that situation, was ashamed, i thought it wa my fault and quote. >> her testimony will resume tomorrow joining us now is faith gates, civilization attorney, and former federal prosecutor, and shaming gates, - law reporter at the washington post, she was in the courtroom for each in carols have some money thank you for being with us thanks for being back with us. you are listening to that, testimony we can read it, an we try to read it by trying to convey what was going on i there, but it sort o impossible to do that in a sexual assault case. what did you hear, what did yo sense from each in carroll issues testifying. >> so jean carroll, really was able to recount in vivid detail. the experience she said she ha that day more than two decades ago back

in roughly nine tonight six an was striking the level o detail that she conveyed to the jury, down to like the sensation she felt, and the fact that i ha was banned against the wall, and she felt pain from tha issue is running out of th store. it was just a very pronounce narrative of a story, that u until now we've really onl seen a written page so it' really an opportunity for jean to bring her story to life for the first time, since 2019 whe she came forward with his. >> one thing, as we read these quotes that we can't capture it is the emotion in it. she did at one point break dow what she was telling the story >> there were a few points a which her voice cracked, but i

is really towards the end of the day, that she really los composure. for the most part she' committed to gather. but it was around the sectio where she was being asked abou whether she regrets doing this the shooter get going forward, especially since as she said it's ruined her life on those kind of a pause, bu she landed on the idea that, you know, she's regretted it 100 times since 2019 but that she was thrilled to finally have her day in cour after all these years, and after all the pain and suffering. >> faith, let's talk about these kinds of trials, normall you don't hear from th principal witness in these things right at the beginning, and in fact we don't think we're gonna hear from donald trump, we've got a depositio from him so this was the big one. you thought it was wise to d this right out of the gate >> absolutely, trump opened on

the idea that carole was going to hide her whole case by th testimony of others who've bee wronged by trump, and so she got up on the stand, today and spent four hours there answering the juries secre question, but they always want to know. is, why am i here? why are we spending all this time, talking about a thre minute incident, it happened some 30 years ago. and boy did they get their answer she said, after that three minute encounter with trump, her life was never the same. she never had an intimat relationship again, a part o her was dead and the jurors went home tonight, without one singl question on cross-examine, a direct exam is not over with yet. and that, story the graphi details we just heard about, will be going around in roun in their heads, not only tonight, but the rest of their lives. and they'll either believe, it where they won't in my view, the case was resolved one way or the other,

today. >> i want to ask you about that, because in the cross-examination, they took o the idea that the astros who soared with donald trump and she's yes she was, it took o the idea that, perhaps she was doing this, don trump's made this case, that she has desire to sell books but she said something very interesting, i'm gonna read, you just referred to it he talks about the incident, she said it left me unable t ever have a romantic lif again. the short answer is becaus donald trump raped me. if i met a man who is possibility, it's impossible for me to even look at him and smile, i'm aware that have los out on one of the glorious experiences of any human being being in love with somebod else tell me about that, that's a uncommon - that's not something we hear o as common in these testimonies >> well, first of all, it' establishing item norm stanage's case she is saying that after thi moment, and the 30 years since or approximately 30 years,

since she has never been a whole person she's never had an intimat relationship at all. but keep in mind, a lot of thi was brought out today, i anticipation of cross. but items and curls book where she says, she's carried on a life has been successful, an happy. she's been able to get pas this incident. today, the idea and direct examination, as to show that this had erected a complet change your life, they got i out early in the trial, an again there hasn't been on cross-examination question, as of now, so that story an rebounded, that the jurors are going to go to sleep wit tonight. >> yeah, and sorry, i mentioned, crossed i'm at the direct. i heard her direct actuall some of these things the anticipate are going to come out and cross. obviously, when looking at thi cross-examination, there are issues in this court, and with donald trump's attorneys, they seem to be testing the judge to patients a little bit

today was orderly, what do you sense in terms of how the judg was responding to things tha e. jean carroll was saying, an objections are things the othe lawyers were involved? >> i would not say there were lot of very memorable solutions, i think more or less her testimony was -- and to the few points here and there that trump's attorneys objected to, the judge seeme to support e. jean carroll ability to tell her story in full she was a restricted on points here and there, but by and large it wasn't interrupted by a stream of objections >> thank you so much for that. stick around, we will take a quick break, when we come back i want to ask about judg kaplan he has taken no don't sets i for donald trump so far this trial, today he warned the trial could face more charges. and we'll talk about tha coming up.

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kaplan has instructed both doe not bring up in front of a jury, the judge warned donald trump' lawyer joe tacopina that those words are entirely inappropriate. here's how the exchange went from there, quote. mr. tacopina, your honor, he's repeating, that your honor wil are just that with my kind today, i will speak to him and ask him to refrain from an further posts regarding th case >> the court, i hope you are more successful, because we ar getting into an area conceivably in which you client may or may not be tampering with a new source of potential liability. i think you know what i mean and quote. back with former federal prosecutor - and washington post reporter what is the judge talking abou there with joe tacopina abou this area of liability tha donald trump is getting into question two, when i saw those posts, i was thinking are no supposed to do the stuff while there is a case involving yo before a court >> so there is a couple of things first of all a judge has t

figure out what can i do about the case in front of me, how d i make sure there is a fait -- trial an outcome a couple of court rules that are already in effect in thi case no discussion of dna testing no discussion of how the plaintiffs case is being funded. two very clear orders. the judge can hold trump i contempt for violating those orders, and holding someone in contempt means going to, jai they're gonna be fine, there can be an adverse jury instruction that will affect the outcome of this trial. those are two or three thing this court can do in its own orders in this case fo violating that will have a effect on the trial. however, when he was reall referring to today was obstruction of justice intimidating jurors, tampering with the evidence, the general obstruction statutes that can' be put in play, and the judg made a specific reference to

penalties that he himself th judge cannot put in place. those would be crimina penalties that could put trump in jail if he is cause tempering with the opinion, or interference of the trial whic is for sure a federal crim that is not infrequently - >> now, the stuff that donal trump was posting about did no come up in the direc examination of eugene carrol today, he is talking about other stuff. >> right, exactly, those issue were precluded so the issue of the dress ha not come in, and any discussio about funding has not been par of the jury. that is why it was especiall concerning to the court that trump was speaking publicly ou of turn about things that are, you know, not allowed into the case >> faith, what do we make of

what a judge was saying to joe tacopina is there some sanction for donald, trump or was this th judges last warning to tell yo climb to stop doing this, or i will take care of it >> so again, there is a couple things the judge himself can do, which is give the jurors a adverse influence you find trump because -- broken a rule. he can also throw trump in jail, in contempt of court, find him for every time he does it. that is what a judge can do. again, the judgment beyond that he said there are things judge cannot do, and he is referring to criminal statutes that govern trying to interfer and influence jurors in a case where you are not allowed to d so this couldn't be a clearer case, right? those two subject matter areas that trump was putting in fron of the jury where -- >> faith gay, nice to see yo again. thank you for your reporting today we appreciate that thanks to both of you fo

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