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we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports. right now more potential legal trouble for former president donald trump what the fulton county d.a. is saying about charging decisions and her investigation into efforts to overturn the last election plus, new details in the sweet 16 birthday party shooting that left four in alabama dead we hear from a teenager survivor who's still recovering in the hospital also, what former president trump says is inconceivable about president biden's new election bid we've got new reaction from inside trump world and we just heard from the president for the first time since he made his run for re-election official his central message and what to expect from candidate biden this go-around. our nbc reporters are following all of the latest developments we begin with president biden kicking off his 2024 campaign at
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a union event and with a request to let him finish the job. kayla tausche is cnbc's senior white house correspondent. he was pretty fired up, very friendly crowd what does this tell us about joe biden, the candidate, in 2023? >> reporter: well, chris, president biden didn't mention that re-election launch specifically but we did get a review of what his stump speech will look like in the coming months he was touting manufacturing jobs, infrastructure projects, and prescription drug reforms, all while branding republicans as fiscally reckless and legislatively obstinate. while he didn't talk about inflation or the prospect of a recession, he said his economic plan is working. >> there are a lot of folks who look at the world and our economy through the eyes of wall street i'm not one of them. i'm not saying everyone on wall street is bad guys, that's not
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how i look at the world. i look at the world through the eyes of scranton and delaware where i grew up, not a joke. through the eyes of the working people i grew up with in this nation and the eyes of my dad. the speaker, the former president and the maga extremists are cut from a different cloth. they treat these folks, they treat these folks and they think they're a threat >> president biden trying to establish what he calls a clear contrast between his policies and those of republicans, which just this afternoon are goingt try to push forward some spending cuts that he says unequivocally he will veto if they were to reach his desk. but, chris, you mentioned this is a friendly audience there were about 3,000 members of the building trades union in person at that speech. and when he repeated his now trademark line let's finish this job, he was met with cheers of
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"let's go, joe" and "four more years. despite some discontent among the electorate, within those key constituencies his support is still very strong. >> kayla tausche, thank you for that with that official announcement we just saw at the beginning of the last hour, it may feel to a lot of people like deja vu all over again, certainly does for team trump i want to nbc's vaughn hillyard. i know you are completely plugged into trump world obviously they're not surprised by this. but what are they saying about it >> reporter: no, they have been anticipating donald trump has looked to run against joe biden. just look at a long, lengthy statement that he put out here just earlier today in which he says in part, quote, with such a clam tuesday and failed presidency, it is almost inconceivable that biden would even think of running for re-election. you know what happened in the last election. they cheated and they rigged the election but i promise you this, when i standing on that debate stage
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and compare our records, it will be radical democrats' worst nightmare. donald trump plans to take three years of the biden administration and try to undercut the democratic white house. but you've also already seen last night ahead of joe biden's anticipated announcement, he sat down for an interview with newsmax the far right outlet in which he focused heavily on joe biden's age and cognitive status of course when we talk about aiming, which we saw in our nbc news national polling was of concern as it pertained to joe biden and donald trump among a majority of americans is the fact that we have already gone through this history before, chris. that was in the 2020 election when donald trump suggested directly that joe biden had dementia he suggested that he was sleepy joe biden. he questioned his cognitive abilities. over the course on the debate stage, joe biden answered
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clearly questions that were put forward to him and yet what you saw was a majority of americans went with the democratic nominee at the time. but you see here donald trump looking to play that same playbook, trying to undercut concerns about joe biden's age he would be 82 years old if he were to be inaugurated for a second time. in the last half time donald trump put a new social media post on his account suggesting that he may not par take in the republican debates that are anticipated to begin this august we're working on more reporting on that and should have more here soon, but it's notable if donald trump were in fact to side step and not partake in these republican debates he's looking very much at joe biden as his foremost opponent, but the question is can any of these other republicans really surmount a bid against him. >> obviously making the calculation what's in it for me and maybe he decides not much. thank you, vaughn hillyard, for that the waiting game is continuing
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in fulton county, georgia, because district attorney fani willis has said she will announce charging decisions as early as mid-july. this of course in her investigation into possible 2020 election interference by donald trump and his allies blayne alexander is in atlanta for us the question everybody has is if she knows she's almost ready to go, why the wait >> reporter: well, chris, you mentioned the waiting game continues but now at least we have a target date so we're talking about a few weeks toward the end of the summer, july 11th through september 1st is when she said she plans to announce her charging decisions as for why the delay, she was expected -- remember, the last time frame we heard from her was back in january when she said decisions are imminent now, of course that means different things to different people but we had largely expected this to come sometime during the spring, but we do know as she's made it clear, even though the special grand jury was finished
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with its work, that is only a piece of what she has to consider they had the power to bring in witnesses and documents but there are likely things she needs to sift through including paper documents in response to subpoenas. i think that this later time frame gives a very clear indication of that the other thing that's notable here, chris, in addition to finally having some dates is the way that she announced this. this was in a letter to law enforcement leaders here in atlanta essentially saying, you know what, get your security ready. consider this fair warning, enough notice to do whatever you need to do to make sure people in this community are safe so i certainly think for people who have been watching this closely, including myself covering this for more than a year, the fact that she has this type of security at top of mind around the announcement of her charging decisions and that she's asking law enforcement leaders to also have it top of mind and prepare for it is likely the clearest indication that she's given that she is preparing high-level charges or possibly preparing charges against high-level officials,
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including poshlly the former president, chris. >> blayne alexander, thank you for that. for the first time we're hearing details about what exactly happened at that sweet 16 birthday party where four people were shot dead in alabama last week. guad vinegas is follow this story for us what have we learned about how this unfolded? >> reporter: so there was a bond hearing today for five of the six suspects we know of those five suspects, three that are adults, were in court at this hearing. no cameras were allowed but we did have an nbc colleague who was in the courtroom we just spoke to him minutes ago to learn some of the details that were revealed we know that the judge has 24 to 48 hours to make a decision on this bond for these three adult individuals charged with four counts of reckless murder. we have also learned that seven different guns were used during the shooting, four different calibers two of the guns had a switch that makes them semiautomatic.
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89 shell casings were also recovered. we also learned some details of the victims. according to testimony, it was said in court today that one of the victims, corbin holston, was found with a gun on his chest. at some point he wore a ski mask now, all of those involved in the shooting were inside the party before the shooting began, this according to the testimony in court today now, we also have an interview that our local affiliate did with one of the victims that has been recovering. here's part of that interview that also gives some details of what happened. >> i had back surgery, so the bullet went through my back. and i didn't feel my legs and my side i just started running out the door i tried to get back up and i couldn't i was just laying on top of people >> i won't leave him i never will but the main thing i ask people
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to please put the guns down. >> now, another detail we learned today is that the victims that were killed were all near the entrance of this venue. now, to review everything i just mentioned, so there's a total of six suspects that have been arrested five of them were to appear today for a bond hearing, but only three, the ones that are adults, were those that were at the hearing with the judge the other two that are minors are expected to have a closed hearing with the judge now, the sixth suspect is a 15-year-old who is going to go through a separate process himself. the identity of that 15-year-old has not been disclosed as of now, so that is the latest we've learned just minutes ago from this case. chris. >> guad, thank you for all of those updates. that mother's plea, please just put the guns down, comes as we're learning that america is on track to set a record for mass killings this year. the nation has experienced mass tragedy roughly every week so
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far in 2023. the a.p. reporting that already 17 mass killings have taken 88 lives. you can take a look at the breakdown of 2023 compared to other years. we've seen a killing once every six and a half days since january. more mass killings than almost any other year since they began collecting data in 2006. coming up, joe biden leaning on his vice president in today's re-election announcement what that might mean for kamala harris' role in the 2024 campaign in just 60 seconds. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network, you can get more agility and security. giving you more control of your business. we call this enterprise intelligence. from the network america relies on.
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polls show even democrats are worried about it i want to bring in nbc's shaquille brewster who's been talking to biden voters in dane county, wisconsin.ulbe and what
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the exceptions should be, those are really the center point of the republican conversation.
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she might not have spoken to them today but eventually on a debate stage that's going to be specified and come up. >> you interviewed several 2024 republicans about abortion do you have a sense of whether these candidates you're talking to now have -- use the last year or so to come up with a sharp, clear stance on where they are on abortion and where the country should be? >> reporter: i don't think so. i think that we see that when i ask all of these different senators and former governors and governors what the week marker should be, for example. and they're not clearly articulating their positions or they have to be pushed in order to get there i think what that reminds us is that even as these folks on the campaign trails try to say that dobbs was the right decision because it puts it back to the states, that is in direct tension with the fact that if they think there should be a federal government role here, which many of them do, those two things are in direct tension states rights and the federal
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government's role. i think the other piece of this is too, as republicans are reluctant to detail which mile marker they think is best at a federal standard, it allows the conservative state legislatures in north dakota, in florida and other places to dictate the parameters of this conversation on a national level. thusly, again, forcing these national presidential candidates to discuss the more extreme parts of what it might look like around abortion restrictions, for example, at six weeks or limiting travel over state lines. they're allowing the state legislatures by not talking about it themselves to fill the vacuum and set the parameters. >> ali vitali, thank you for that. the huge economic risks of the standoff between the house speaker and the president. with both sides dug in and wall street really nervous about the implications, how will this actually get done? i'll ask democratic senator patty murray, next. but first, entertainment icon and civil rights trail blazer harry belafonte has died, leaving an historic legacy of
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the implications are enormous in just a few hours, some house members are going to meet to do what's called a mark-up to speaker kevin mccarthy's debt limit bill now, it sounds boring probably, but the eventual impact of this process on your finances, on how the government runs, are vast. and it's all making wall street very nervous right now nbc's ryan nobles is on capitol hill for us. ryan, this is a necessary step in the process explain how for kevin manage kau mccarthy, for his leadership team, they may be able to use this to get enough votes for the bill what's happening today >> reporter: i cannot imagine that you would describe a congressional mark-up as boring. that's one of the most exciting things that happens up here. >> forgive me. >> reporter: yes, you are forgiven to your point, the rules committee will meet today at
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4:00 eastern time and this is going to be a real test for whether or not this bill that kevin mccarthy and his team has introduced, that would raise the debt ceiling but with a number of budget provisions attached to it has the muster to even get it out of the house of representatives. this isn't anyone up here who believes this particular package will become law. president biden has said he is opposed to it. senate democrats will likely not even take it up. what it is is the beginning of a negotiating process. if kevin mccarthy prove that he has his republican caucus behind him, that puts him in a much stronger bargaining position to go to the white house, to go to senate democrats and say we need to come up with a deal by doing it through the rules committee, it risks being dead on arrival there are members of this rules committee who are added to that panel during negotiations to make kevin mccarthy the speaker who are part of that right wing of the party thomas massey and chip roy and they could decide to blow the whole thing up right now
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part of the reason mccarthy put those two individuals on that committee is so that if it gets through there, then it's likely to have a much better opportunity to pass on the house floor. so mccarthy has expressed confidence we saw him earlier today he wouldn't say when the bill would come to the floor. but the fact that they're letting it go to rules is a signal that republicans feel confident. we'll have to see what happens when the rules committee meets later this afternoon chris. >> ryan nobles, thanks so much for making it interesting and not boring we appreciate that so that covers the house side of this debate. on the senate side for democrats, it is a hard no on mccarthy's plan and president biden isn't going to meet with the speaker, so who will blink first, which side? i want to bring in the democratic senator from washington, patty murray, chair of the appropriations committee, who was key to ending the critical debt ceiling showdown in 2013. it's good to see you i wonder if there are lessons from 2013? is the republican side so different that the old rules
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don't apply? and i guess a key question is are there proactive conversations ongoing, senator >> well, let me just say it's important to understand what is at stake right now our country will default on its debt if republicans don't work to raise the debt ceiling, which simply means that we're going to pay our bills. every family pays their bills, every business pays their bills. republicans are saying we're not going to pay our bills we're going to let our country default and bring dachaos to th country if you do not cut and undermine our ability to make the investments that we need to in our economy, in jobs, in veterans' housing, in school lunches for kids, in so many things that our country relies on to keep our economy moving. that is crazy. this is asking us do you want chaos or do you want chaos and the answer is no and it doesn't have to be this way. simply pay our bills
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do not default and we will do what we do every year here in congress and work between the senate and the house to make sure that we decide what we want to invest in in this country and how we do our appropriations bills and how we move forward holding us hostage to this debt ceiling crisis and the ability to make sure our economy doesn't crash is not how you negotiate it has never worked. it has not worked in the past. it has created just a disaster for every party who's tried to hold it hostage and it will not work for the house republicans now. get past this. work with us, pass the bill that we're need to pass and of course let's work on our budget and appropriations and make sure that our country moves forward in a positive way. >> there have been polls that suggest americans are divided about this i think it's a complicated topic, right having said that, there's no doubt that wall street is nervous about the possibility that we could default.
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a lot of folks are talking about that would indeed push us into a recession. and i know you talked about what the implications are and what's at stake but is there a way to overstate this or if it is as serious as that, as what you say, what a lot of folks on wall street say, how do you avoid it, senator? >> well, we do not want our country to default that will hurt everyone, absolutely everyone, in unimaginable ways. and our economy and the full faith and kret credit of this cy for a long time to come. we've done it three times under trump in a bipartisan way, no reason we can't do that. of course then we move to our conversations that we have every year what are the investments that we agree on that we can make? how do we make sure that we are paying for things that are important to families today? look, the house republican counteroffer right now is
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basically to cut 800,000 jobs to stop us from building our manufacturing base, to cut out school lunches as i said, veterans' services and homes. that's not what our country wants. we're in the middle of a time where everyone knows we need to deal with the opioid crisis and fentanyl to stop paying for that, to stop making sure we're moving forward on that is crazy so we need to get past this and pay our bills, do not default and then work within our budget to have a bipartisan compromise, which is what we should be doing. >> before i let you go, you are now the first woman to ever cast 10,000 votes in the senate that's an extraordinary accomplishment in the context of making history like that, i wonder what your thought is about chuck schumer putting the equal rights amendment back out there again for a vote 100 years after it was proposed how far have we come, senator? >> oh, you know, obviously it is a critically important bill.
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it was introduced a hundred years ago. it's astounding to me it has not gone into effect yet there are issues important to women even beyond that that we need to address, whether it is child care, reproductive health care rights, making sure we have family leave so we can take care of our kids when they are born and be able to not lose our job. there are so many economic issues impacting women today and obviously the e.r.a. would be great. we need to do a lot more than that today. >> 10,000 votes and still standing senator patty murray, thank you so much. we appreciate your time and for coming on the program. >> thank you. new accusations that china is opening up illegal police stations across the u.s. a new letter that indicates this plot goes way beyond what we initially knew and what the fbi is doing about it. that's next on "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter.
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saying they want more information about these chinese activities on u.s. soil. they want to know how long the fbi knew and what other steps have been taken to mitigate this kind of activity, chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you for that update. today grammy winning artist ed sheeran isn't at a concert, he's in court. the pop star is trying to prove that one of his most successful songs, "thinking out loud" is really his and not copied from the motown classic, "let's get it on. opening sergeants began over allegations of copyright infringement from the daughter of ed townsend who co-wrote that song with marvin gay back in 1973 sheeran has denied the allegations. the man running the u.n. security council right now, including a meeting on international peace, is from russia, which of course is actively invading its neighbor let's just say the irony was not lost onions members. what it had to say about it, next on "chris jansing reports."
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this month russia is chairing the u.n. security council, which is meeting right now in new york. frankly, other countries aren't too happy about it the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. called it the epitome of irony and hypocrisy. andrea mitchell is following this story if you want to talk about irony, the last time, as you know, andrea, that russia chaired the security council was february 2022, the month it invaded ukraine. it's still there, as we all know what was the reaction like this time >> it was fury there was just amazement at the hubris of lavrov coming to new york to chair the council, when this is the first time they have been in the presidency because it's a rotating presidency the first time that he's done that since the invasion and
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he's -- they're celebrating this week the u.n. charter. peace, freedom, human rights and as our u.n. ambassador said, this is the epitome of hypocrisy to have him there celebrating the u.n. charter when he's violating it every day they're in ukraine and by the invasion of ukraine which was the original aggression and original war crime, according to the top prosecutor from ukraine. she brought with her elizabeth whelan, paul whelan's sister, an advocate who has been criticizing the administration for not doing enough to bring her brother, paul, home after four years plus in a remote labor camp on a spying conviction which is fiercely denied by everyone involved, the u.s. government as well, paul, his family, everyone else. so here you've got paul whelan's sister, elizabeth, facing down
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sergey lavrov. she said that he looked her right in the eye, she was surprised, and that she was there and in the opening sentences really of linda thomas greenfield's comments, she said paul whelan is still there and his sister is here representing the family and you won't release this man and we want him home, to say nothing, of course, of evan gershkovich, the wall street journal reporter and the others but it was the whelan case that was front and center at the u.n. yesterday. the other thing that the ambassador said is that all of the other 13 members who were there, none of them rallied to his defense. they were all critical of russia >> andrea mitchell, thank you so much always great to have you on the program, my friend appreciate it. also overseas, today we learned that prince william was allegedly paid, quote, a very
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large sum of money by rupert murdoch's uk newspaper arm to settle claims about phone hacking. these new court documents say that murdoch's media business, news group, made the payment secretly back in 2020 after william brought a legal claim against two uk newspapers. the sun and the now defunct news of the world the documents came in a legal filing by william's brother, prince harry he is suing news group for alleged phone hacking and for trying to get private information through deception, including, they claim, meghan markle's social security number. when contacted by nbc news, a spokesperson for news uk, that's the trading name for news group newspapers, declined to immediately comment. nbc news also reached out to buckingham palace. and before we go, pour one out, or more than 2,000. at least that was the european regulator's strategy when they came across, get this, 2,352 cans of miller high life with
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the slogan, the champagne of beers. well, maybe taking that slogan on the can a little too seriously, belgian authorities seized and destroyed those thousands of cans, deciding that to call it champagne isn't correct. they didn't say that, they said it was the champagne of beers. anyway the american beer made its fate or was crushed by the fist of the champagne police it's like that old saying that goes don't judge a beer by its cover. no that does it for us this hour. make sure to join us every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. it's bad when you can't even get a chuckle from the studio. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right now. good to be with you, i'm katy tur the rs

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