>> and you know, such an extraordinary youngman and his parents both say that the struggles and the milestones they have seen their son be able to carry out including this walk and he did it twice. not just once. he did it twice in front of his kindergarten class he said that the teacher called them and said he said he wants to take his steps in front of all his friends. the reaction was amazing the parents have started a foundation to help support other kids and other parents who need a little bit of support to take those milestones one step at a time making such a huge difference what an extraordinary family and just -- by the way, his next dream, and it's going to come true, is to be on the baseball team at his kindergarten class. that wraps up the hour for me.

i'm jose diaz-balart you can reach me on twitter and instagram. you can watch highlights online. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell has more news now. >> right now on "andrea mitchell reports," our new nbc news poll reveals only 5% of americans want to see a trump-biden rematch in 2024. 70% of all voters do not want biden to run at all with many saying age is their chief concern. also this hour, justin jones one of the two state representatives ousted from office joins me before meeting with president biden this afternoon. as tennessee's governor says he's calling state lawmakers back to nashville after they adjourned without taking up his gun reform proposals an update on the deadly situation in sudan after the

u.s. safely evacuated u.s. embassy personnel. thousands of americans remain strands. >> my first priority is the safety of our people and i determine that the deteriorating security conditions in khartoum pose an unacceptable risk to keeping our team there at this time i'll be joined by mark warner as "the new york times" report that the alleged national guard leaker began sharing classified documents a year earlier than previously known. with a much larger chat group. why wasn't congress told president biden is moving toward an election announcement as soon as tomorrow, but right now, voters are highly skeptical about four more years. 70% of adults including 51% of democrats do not want the president to run for a second

term and 48% of those individuals say that mr. biden's age is for them, a major reason. joining me now, nbc national political correspondent, steve kornacki, at the big board and mike memoli has been covered joe biden for years and years. i think five different considerations of presidential runs steve, first to you. this is an important political snapshot for the white house and the 2024 republican field so take us through all the numbers. >> yeah, with biden poised to announce for re-election, let's take a look at what our polls show us. first, his job approval rating 41% in our new poll. a majority 54% disapprove of his performance as president and i think importantly, the trend here, the last time we polled this was the start of the new congress in january. biden has trended downward since then it was 45, 50. now a 41% approval rating overall. specifically, this has what's been weighting him down for a

while. the economy. the state of the economy and his performance as president when it comes to the economy less than 40% approve of how biden's handled the economy. nearly 60% disapprove. you add those together and you also mention the just general lack of appetite for a biden candidacy. we asked folks if it's joe biden in 2024 or a republican candidate, folks say they'd vote for the republican over biden by six points obv obviously the republicans aren't going to nominate a generic candidate, but this shows you the electorate has an openness but who will that alternative to biden end up being and right now, our poll here of republican voters is hey, who do you want in 2024? they say right now, trump. 46%. ron desantis, the governor of

florida, the only other candidate or perspective candidate here who's getting traction against trump, trump with a 46, 31% advantage over desantis that's where that prospect even though voters say they don't want to see it, they don't want to see biden run again, trump run overall, the prospect looms large. 26% say they think biden should run. 35% say trump should run big majorities of americans say they don't want either one to be running yet the possibility exists of that rematch and if it comes to that, if it is biden versus trump, this might be the white house's silver lining here everything looks so negative for biden but we asked folks what's your basic attitude towards biden, the democratic party, the republican party, donald trump positive or negative what you see here and this is what we saw in 2022. it's not that biden's popular. it's not it's not that the democrats are

popular. they're not. but look at the number for donald trump it's the lowest you see here a majority 53% have a negative view of donald trump barely a third have a positive view. donald trump significantly less popular than joe biden significantly more unpopular than joe biden and that is going to save the day for democrats in 2022 and if there's a rematch in 2024, i think the white house would be hoping that would carry the same weight >> so mike memoli, let's dig down a bit drill down more on how senior officials are reacting to these rather tough poll numbers going into a re-election announcement. >> well, there's no doubt as even biden advisers acknowledge that age is going to be a factor steve just ran through a whole lot of numbers and really the magic number is 80 that's the president's age every day, he breaks his own record at the oldest president on record. you're going to hear once the campaign is launched, their answer two things first, the president has wisdom

and experience no president would have been able to for instance martial through the the significant legislation he's been able to pass in a 50-50 congress without the relationships and experience and the legislative process that president biden has. when you talk about the situation in ukraine, he's been able to rally the global coalition. they're also going to say this is going to be a choice between one candidate and another and that the president is known for a lot of things. one they believe as somebody who is an eternal optimist despite difficult times in his life. they're going to say the republicans are putting forth a dark vision and they think the president can win that argument. it is interesting and you mentioned five campaign cycles i've spent covering joe biden. three that involved a will he or won't he run for president all signs point to that announcement coming tomorrow and it is interesting to look at the schedule tomorrow as sort of an example of how this campaign plays out from the biden

perspective. where's the president going to be tomorrow? speaking to a union. we know union support is the backbone of his candidacy. where is the vice president going to be tomorrow she's holding a rally on repr reproductive rights. this has been in the view of biden advisers, some of her strongest moments have been on this issue reproductive rights she led the campaigning on the abortion issue and that's what she's going to be doing tomorrow julie chavez rodriguez likely to be the campaign manager. she's a senior adviser now in the west wing. that familiarity with the biden team is so important because when you're an incumbent president seeking re-election, there are decisions made in the campaign, but a lot come from the west wing. she'll be able to continue that seamless relationship on the outside. skbl. >> and the granddaughter of the great caesar chavez.

really important thing as well thank you very much. coming up, global politics ron desantis on an international tour trying to bolster his profile. will it be enough to take on donald trump that's next. we'll be right back after this we'll be right back after this brief 60-secon with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow.

one prilosec otc each morning blocks heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it starts. one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn. i'm not a candidate so we'll see if and when that changes >> florida governor desantis in japan today at a news conference part of an international trip that also includes stops in israel, south korea, and the united kingdom, questions over his sagging poll numbers that puts him well behind the clear republican front-runner in mar-a-lago joining me now, "wall street journal" white house correspondent, sabrina and former obama white house press secretary, robert gibbs.

sabrina, ron desantis trying to look the part and bolster his profile ahead of a possible presidential run robert, i want to ask you also about the numbers we had with steve kornacki, highlighting just how bad the numbers have been for desantis nationally, even though there's plenty of time to turn that around first to sabrina, the president's approval number down to 41% only 38% support his hand ling of the economy even though it's more resilient, even bringing down some inflation pressures without really damaging the jobs pictures what's going on there? why can't he break through >> i think president biden's re-election campaign is going to look very different because he is the incumbent president there is that work that his team has cut out for them to defend his record but also tout his legislative accomplishments and most importantly, demonstrate

how his agenda has benefitted the american public. that's why you have seen president biden out on the road selling his infrastructure bill, chips and science act, the inflation reduction act. of course, a lot of it really depends on whether or not americans are feeling the benefits of those laws and giving credit to president biden. i think his team is very mindful of the economy and what shape it's going to be and playing a major role in the presidential, in his re-election campaign. a lot of it also depends on who he faces. whether it's a match-up with former president trump, a rematch, or facing another candidate where there are a lot more unknowns sassociated with what the message might look like >> it's so early, we shouldn't be counting anybody out. certainly not desantis yet, despite the problems he's been having president biden, how do you

navigate the concerns that he can cannot erase with any amount of campaigning and he's expected to do more of a rose garden strategy he was able to do that in the pandemic last time, but this time, he's going to have to get on the road more he's being kcriticized for not having non-scripted engagement with the public through the press. >> i think every white house seeks in the beginning to have a rose garden strategy because the theory of the case is the best foot you can put forward is as the role and job of president. that's what quite frankly his challengers hope to try to gain is that people will see him as the president and that rose garden strategy is probably the start of it. but i have no doubt, to answer the questions the poll brings up about age, is going to require and i think as the president

gets closer to the election, you'll see him campaigning vigorously and doing rallies that's what will be expected from him in terms of desantis, you've seen a remarkable four months in the trajectory of trump and desantis if you look back in december after the midterm elections, trump was down and desantis was up those numbers have essentially flipped in some of this national polling. you mentioned it though. the one caution i would have is we're nine months away from people voting in this process. it's not going to be national. it's going to start in iowa. then move to new hampshire and quite frankly, we woen't know a lot about those states and where they're headed for quite some time >> exactly then you can lose south carolina and the other early states it's going to be a while before we know how he's tested. this foreign trip though, they

say it is semiprivate and public financed it's a foundation that has some public money but there's a lot of other stuff that's not paid for on a trip like this. by you know, whoever is financing it it's the security. the state police whatever other foreign help he has to get from embassies. there's a lot of taxpayer money involved in this preprimary announcement, preelection trip with his wife and kids >> yeah, well my guess is what's one of the reasons he said in the press conference he's not a candidate for president because this would be something that the campaign would then have to cover the great majority of and obviously flying to japan and south korea, london, aren't cheap airline tickets on a private jet certainly is much more costly. i think the bigger thing is interesting, watching his reaction in that news conference

he's defensive he and his campaign team are fw going to need a whole lot better answers for some of these questions. i think the big challenge they have is donald trump is full on campaign and attacking ron desantis desa desantis is flying around the world and not really playing around rules of engagement that one would need to to not see your poll numbers erode. >> thank you so much the big announcement on video could come from tomorrow from the president of the united states big breaking news in media big business story, big media story, big political story fox news announcing tucker carlson is out effective immediately. fox releasing a statement reading the fox news media and tucker carlson have agreed to part ways. we thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor mr. carlson's last program is

friday, april 21st carlson and fellow hosts had come under incredible scrutiny in recent weeks ahead of fox's $757 million settlement with dominion the 2020 election. an announced moments before a trial that would have had carlson and others taking the witness stand. of all those, carlson was the big moneymaker the huge ratings chief of fox news n nbcnews.com reporter jane tims joins me now this is quite a shock. >> yeah, tucker carlson is an enormous ratings guy at fox news he's been leading fox news most watched cable show for several weeks recently he's definitely, it's

unexpected we have knowing reporting that indicates thises directly tied to dominion in any way and the settlement this could be unrelated to other things, but the timing is curious that it's days after a large settlement that lawsuit of course inspired another one from one of the senior producers who was fired we're watching to see if there's any ties, but -- >> i think we lost the connection with jane, but we got the gist of it we'll have a lot more to come later in the day on msnbc. thanks to jane if you can still see us >> and escape. scores of americans evacuated from an active war zone in sudan. a civil war there for all intents and purposes the latest from the region and more ahead on "andrea mitchell reports. this is msnbc.

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thousands of americans, civilians, are still trapped inside sudan nine days after fierce fighting engulfed the capital between two military factions and a daring special ops mission this weekend, helicopters flew 800 miles to khartoum under the cover of darkness, landing on embassy grounds where they stayed for about an hour. roughly 80 americans, mostly embassy staff and their

families, were evacuated president biden ordered the high stakes mission friday backed by cia specialists on the ground and air force overhead thankfully the teams made it out without any. the embassy is now closed. secretary of state blinken says it's too dangerous to attempt another extraction anytime soon. >> we continue to be in close communication with u.s. citizens and individuals afailuated with the u.s. government to provide assistance and facilitate available departure routes for those seeking to move to safety via land, air, and sea >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel has more from london we were tracking this through the last couple of days, getting off the record guidance. couldn't report it until we knew they were safe there were disastrous rescue attempts in the past this was successful. there are more civilians embassy and state department don't know how many because

people just don't register with embassies and now there's no one for them to register with. many are sudanese americans who wouldn't want to leave necessarily. >> so we're dealing with a will the of dual nationals. so these are sudanese and american citizens who for the most part live in sudan, have family in sudan, and may or may not want to leave but it is very difficult to communicate with anyone in sudan right now because the phones are largely down the internet is sporadic at best and it's hard to communicate to people which roads they might be able to take themselves in order to get out of the country. because there was this u.s. operation, military operation with ac 130 gun ship in the air and cia was involved to get out several dozen diplomats anned their family, but to get 16,000 people out of the country, that's something that the u.s. say there's no plans to do at this time. they would have to get chips in.

have a massive air lift or at the very least, we might see this in the coming days, accomplish known safe corridors where people can get from khartoum to the coast for example where they can be picked up on ships. but right now, the advice for americans or other foreign nationals who are in the country is either to shelter in place or to if they can, and have the money and they think they know the way to go, to make their way to a safer area. now even despite the communications problems that the country is facing, it's also, they're saying price gouging in khartoum prices are three, four, five times what they cost a few days ago from gasoline to bus tickets. food is hard to find we spoke to an american travel writer who is stuck there. she was traveling around sudan,

made her way to khartoum and all of this violence started it began about eight days, nine days ago we're now into the second week of this fighting she recorded a message, we sent her the questions and on the little internet, sent this message back to us >> the city is so tense right now, a lot of people are fleeing left and right i can see the cars outside and i am making arrangements to try and get out to an area outside the city that is safer i have no power, running water and the most difficult thing is that there's been internet blackouts so not feeling too great about the help i've received from the embassy at the moment so i'm just preparing to go it alone and figure out how i can get myself to safety >> the situation however is not completely hopeless. there have been numerous flights that have been able to leave from khartoum. european countries are coordinating closely, countries

that have interests in the region even beyond europe are coordinating closely because everyone has a shared interest to keep their nationals out of harm's way flights have been able to take off from italy, the u.k., from france they've been taking their nationals out, some americans as well so there is some movement to get people out but it remains very difficult to get the people, get them into muster points and to communicate information that they need. >> richard engel, thanks so much for the latest on this really dangerous situation. for more, i'm joined by lizzie, a career state department diplomat now a senior follow with the chicago council on affairs it was first to be a transfer to a democratic vcivilian rule but the two factions couldn't agree on who was going to be in charge and it's dissolved in

breathtaking speed >> nobody wants to give up much power and we are coming to the point where the pressure to transfer to a civilian government is very high and they were negotiating the last bits of the agreement where this seems to have come to a head, you've got two military leaders at the helm. you've got the de facto leader of the country against the leader of the rapid rsf and it's actually the rebranded -- from the early darr for days. hemdy was trying to extend the timeline for integrating his forces into the sudan army for a decade that's where we are now. neither wants to give up any ground to the other. >> and the russians are involved, too, as trying to get advantage from a very difficult

situation. the wagner group is there. the mercenaries. >> yeah, the wagner group appears to be siding with rsf, which is very dangerous. they seem to be supplying weapons and material to them apparently via libya, but at this stage, if we're wondering what might bring an end to the fighting, not having enough supplies to continue fighting is probably the fastest way to get this so if russia's determined to help hemede continue fighting, that's really bad news for trying to negotiate a cease fire or end to the violence between these two. >> the already disastrous situation in darr four, that region >> there's a lot of concern in neighboring chad that this might be where hemedi goes to try and bring in additional support for his forces th that is the area his forces have been based before previously

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adjourned three weeks early for the year without taking up any new gun restrictions despite week of protest after the deadly school shooting in nashville governor lee says he will call for a special session, calling them back, in a push to keep guns from dangerous people but it's not clear when or if that's going to happen meanwhile, the tennessee three will meet with president biden at the white house this afternoon. one of them, state representative justin jones, joins me now and i have to tell you, it is a huge pleasure because justin, i've met you on television but not in person. so it's great to talk to you in person >> it's so good to see you in person as well >> thank you for being here. what are you expectations from this meeting with president biden? what do you want to communicate with him >> yeah, well i just want to be clear what led us to this point. it was thousands of people at the state house protesting students, mothers, victims of gun violence coming that have

now led us to the president to meet with the president to talk about continuing the call for an assault weapons ban and we have to youtalk about the assault onu democracy. we have to see what is the next step for action. we're going to hopefully lift up the voice of our constituents. >> one of the things that was so remarkable at the movement, first of all, the three of you were so eloquent and it just radiated and expanded, you know, the whole message went national very, very quickly but the diversity of age, of color, gender. this was a most amazing following that surrounded the legislature and you know, really lifted you guys up well you lifted them up first. >> i mean that is such an important point because it represents this new reconstruction happening in the

south. this multiracial, multigenerational, multifaith. i represent nashville. gloria represents knoxville. really the whole expanse of the state represented. this new vision of the south the south has a saying, the south will rise again, but we have the south will rise a new it will set a model for the nation that's no accident that we have an nra-endorsed governor calling a special session on guns in the south. not because of political will, but because of people forcing the conversation that have changed political priorities that have changed what is politically possible in a state like tennessee where we're never have a real conversation on gun control was they thought we were so hijacked by the nra and tennessee -- association. >> governor lee did change positions as a result of the of course the terrible shooting and the protests tell me how that evolved >> it evolved because you know i

don't think the governor saw the light, but felt the pressure of young people saying we want to live these mothers who came week after week after week sitting in the gallery coming to his office we had musicians coming to meet with him amy grant, sheryl crow, meeting with the governor saying we have to do something. i think it's no coincidence, too, this is a kye rios moment a sacred moment because this all launched the same week of dr. king being assassinated in tennessee. we were expelled two weeks later. it's rez surrected this movemen in tennessee in a place where we know what it's like to be victims of mass shootings. this was the five year anniversary of the waffle house shooting in antioch. i think people are paying attention and i have hope these young people are going to change what is politically possible in tennessee and thest going to set the tone for the nation. >> joe biden has been calling for action on guns for years he and president obama were so

terribly stricken by what happened at sandy hook and nothing happened and then mother emanuel church in charleston so what can you hope to get from the president as he has not been able to do this when they have both houses and now he has one house? >> i really believe that this is one of those moments like selma. it's not about the votes, but it's about transcending this parse and politics i'm coming not today as a politician, but lifting up the moral voice of my district i've had more republicans reach out to me in the past month that be democrats saying we are feeling that we need to take these weapons of war off our streets. this was a private christian school that was hit in nashville. i've talked to so many people who weren't even politically engaged who say change is going to come and it's going to be led by these young people and mothers who are saying our grief

is going to be turned into action so i'm hopeful the fact that the president is meeting with us today, we have some ideas of things we're going to lift up like declaring mass shootings a public health emergency because we've had more this year than days and today see what else we can do as allies in a state like ours, we need support from a federal level we need to continue to stand with our allies whether in congress or the white house saying let's do something together and lift up the moral issue of what is at stake with our children being massacred in schools. >> what you and the other justin rem reminded me of was another young student back in the '60s i'm talking about jon lewis, of course i don't think you'd mind the comparison that is the eloquence and passion, morality that you both inspire so thank you very much >> he got his start in nashville. that is the highest compliment a young person who forced those

who said segregation will never end in nashville, i think it's our time again >> indeed, it is thank you very much for stopping in >> thank you. we have more breaking media news for you this hour don lemon, the co-host of cnn this morning is parting ways with the network after 17 years. cnn chairman and ceo releasing a statement saying in part don will forever be part of the cnn family and don also responding on twitter still available, a widely uses abortion pill remaining on the market as the supreme court puts the issue on hold for now. what's next? coming up right here on "andrea mitchell reports." a busy news day on msnbc stay with us helping businesses both large and small, communities and the people who live and work there grow and thrive. we're proud to call these places home too. they're where we put down roots,

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before, we'll be able to see who is on the three-judge panel. the court tends to lean conservative with most republican nominee, but not all. it's interest, remember when the fifth circuit took up this case of that lower court ruling that was so controversial which would invalidated the approval of mifepristone but they let some go forward it's unclear how they'll come out. >> justice thomas wanted to deny the stay, we know. just justice alito issued a dissent what stands out to you from that >> he took a shot at some colleagues basically talking about this practice known as the shadow docket where things come up on morning appeal without ro oral argument. it tends to happen in highly

consequential cases like this and a leader said to be clear, he's not saying how he would come out on the ultimate merits of the issue, on whether the fda has the authority to regulate a drug after 23 year, but clearly had some very strong words for the justice department essentially saying they had manufactured this conflict they hadn't appealed that washington decision which had told the fda you have to do everything you can to keep this drug on the market he's saying you make it seem like there's this big conflict which he was skeptical of. so some very strong words suggesting how he might likely to rule in this case, but he's suggesting he has an open mind, andrea >> justice alito of course wrote the majority opinion in dobbs. >> of course he's not sort of nodding to the larger issues and abortion at play, but obviously his feelings on it are very well-known and well documented. >> "the new york times" says on the political scale of all of

this, that republicans are now fighting to stop state balloting on abortion rights in ohio where republican lawmaker s are trying to raise the threshold for passage. this is after seeing the support for abortion rights in kansas, wisconsin, michigan. explain the legal strategy behind their efforts >> after the dobbs decision where certainly the supreme court basically gave open season for a whole bunch of restriction, but what they also did was allow states which were more progressive on the issue to try to enshirine a right to abortions and now what seems to be the play by certain republican legislatures is to try to either get those ballot measures either off the table entirely for voters or to at least make it harder to pass, which is an interesting strategy given that the public polling on abortion at least for the general public is largely favorable. it's an interesting move

strategically. >> laura jarrett on all things abortion thank you very much. really appreciate it when did they know when did we know it? new questions about how long a national guards man had been allegedly leaking classified information. mark warner joining us with more on that coming up next you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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new revelations in the massive pentagon intelligence leak "the new york times" reporting this weekend that airman jack teixeira allegedly began posting secret intelligence back in february of 2022 and a larger group on discord that had 600 members. that's a year before, the pentagon gave no information that they were aware of this last week in a classified briefing where house and senate members were complaining there were too many questions unanswered joining me is senate intelligence committee chairman mark warner. senator war negotiate, thank you very much for being with us. i know from what you said when you came out with senator rubio that you were not happy, and many other colleagues were not happy with the briefing they got last wednesday can you say whether or not you were told about this other leak, alleged leak a whole year befor

to a different chat group, a much larger group with 600 members? >> andrea, i'm not going to comment on anything that went on in the classified briefing we really have these issues around how we way overclassify way too much information from the government it almost becomes a de facto option to simply call something classified at the same time, we then have a universe of over 4 million americans who have various level of either secret or top secret or higher clearances this has been a problem we've known for some time. we've talked on your show earlier about some of my concerns with the trump/biden/pence papers that were perhaps not appropriately handled or dealt with. but now with this leak, i think it pushes this more front and center so we've got to think about who we want to put in charge of classification virtually every department sets

their own standards. that can no longer be the case i think we need a sole entity in charge we need to make clear that best practices need to be carried across agencies. i can assure you that because there's been previous leaks at nsa, they will i believe have caught this individual because of the inappropriate amount of copying he was doing i don't think those best practices have actually migrated across all of the d.o.d. i do think we need to ask the question, somebody in this case, this young guy who was an i.t. tech specialist, should he have access to all these documents or frankly can't you even have them access to the headers without maybe the substance of the documents? even further the question being raised, if there were some of these documents out on discord, what is the price of getting a top secret classification? how much examination of that individual's public postings,

yes, we've been a little reluctant to look at private postings and think we should there are first amendment rights that have to be dealt with on this case of discord, what's remarkable is i don't think the government was really looking on this site. yet, because the armed forces -- i think the army actually advertises on the site for potential recruits so this is -- there's a lot of things that have gone wrong that we've got to sort through. and i think the administration is kind of realtime trying to put out the fires and at the same time realize a lot of these policy questions that been punted, not just from this administration, but previous administrations as well, we'll have to address. >> let me unpack some of that, overclassification we've known about, the fact it should have been better compartmentalized, perhaps encrypted, he would see the headers as the i.t. guy but not see private conversations,

spying on the south korean president who is going to be meeting with the president in a state visit and have some explaining to do all of that said, let's maybe put it this way, do you think that the intelligence community has got its arms around it or are they still getting blindsided by things published in "the new york times" and "the washington post" as we think happened on saturday >> i think this is realtime still trying to get our arms fully around it. now, i do think honestly the fbi acted very quickly i think we've got the suspect in custody. that's all good news but these bigger policy issues of how we make sure that we have best practices, and frankly, there's a number of things that go on in the private sector. if you're an advanced tech company, advanced pharmaceutical company and doing research you want to keep safe, there are a whole series of just best

practices that are in the private sector that i think we could bring over to the intelligence community and to the d.o.d. to further make we keep secure. we do have -- there is a cultural issue here as well, particularly for younger people about building into the workforce the notion that there's a reason these documents are classified, and it is in a national security risk and you'll violate the law and be penalized if you abuse that. in this case we don't have an individual doing it appears for financial reasons or for reasons of any major public policy, an indication of support for a foreign regime it sounds like this kid was just trying to show off to other folks on this site and building into workforce a little more respect for the classification rocess, that, a the end, goes to the point that

we can't continue to overclassify the amount of documents i see when it carries that top secret designation, it ought to be top secret >> and i want to ask you a political question before we go, because we believe that president biden is going to announce for a second term 70% of all americans in our latest poll, nbc news poll say he should not run. 48% of them say because of his age. he's going to be 82 when he's sworn in the he were to win, 86 at the end of his second term. how concerned are you with the slim senate majority you've got with having him at the top of the ticket >> i think president biden has had a very successful first couple years of his administration i think we, frankly, put more points on the board, the vast majority of which are bipartisan we've talked about that on your show many times. and as joe biden says, when it's

coming down to political choices, don't compare him to the almighty, compare him to the alternative. if the alternative appears to be donald trump or ron desantis, i think a lot of folks who may question his decision will actually be very supportive. >> senator mark warner, as always, thank you very much and thanks for the work you do on the intelligence committee that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show online, on facebook and on twitter. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day i'm chris janson live at msnbc h in new york city daeja vu all over again. if the polls hold, voters will get what they don't want, another presidential election featuring joe biden and donald trump. if so many