good to be with you. i'm katy tur abortion has been a huge loser for republicans from a failed red wave in the midterms to a string of special election wins in straight up red districts reproductive restriction is not what the majority of americans want, and that is according to the polls and ballot box what will the next decision do to the next election cycle we are hours away from the supreme court's self-imposed deadline to rule on mifepristone it's the court's first major abortion-related ruling since roe was overturned a group of conservative organizations want the abortion pill banned and a judge nominated by donald trump, and known for his anti-abortion views agreed with him. what will the nine justices of the supreme court decide will they kick it back down, lift the stay or keep the stay, or decide to take up the case

immediately themselves lisa rubin is here to make sense of the law and both new york magazine and uc law professor mary ziegler are here to discuss the consequences for health care and politics let's get right to the reporting and the law, and joining us now are msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin as promised and uc davis law school professor, an expert on the law, will join us in a moment let's talk, lisa, about what the law currently says and what that might mean for how the justices decide on this >> katy, today is anyone's guess. i wish i had a magic 8 ball. right now as it stands, the supreme court issued an administrative stay, a temporary stay of the lower court's ruling that effectively means that access to mifepristone was exactly as it was before this litigation started but the supreme court has a big decision to make

>> by midnight tonight. >> self-imposed deadline, unless they extend again. if they did, mary can correct me if i'm wrong, i'm not aware of any administration where through a self-imposed administrative stay they extend once or twice by midnight, they have to decide whether they extend the stay on the lower court's rulings and if they deny that stay. if they deny the stay, it will be nothing short of regulatory chaos. >> why do you say that >> because the fifth circuit's order. let me tell you two things, one, the fifth circuit's order is in some respects the most chaotic because it preserves access to mifepristone as it was approved in 2000, but when the fda relaxed a number of restrictions on mifepristone's use, those are the ones the circuit wants to block. for example, you can use mifepristone up to ten weeks of pregnancy, it would roll it back to seven right now, non-physicians can prescribe mifepristone if the fifth circuit has its way, not only do you have to see a doctor, you have to see a

doctor three times if those things are put back into place, the current labeling on mifepristone is not correct and not lawful and that means manufacturers will have to relabel their drug and go through a burdensome regulatory process. >> and it would put a big burden on pharmacists who currently have that drug on their shelves. for them to handle over the drug after midnight tonight, that would essentially be illegal. >> i think that's right. think also about the governors who have been stockpiling mifepristone, folks like laura heely who have bought up a ton of mifepristone. if mifepristone is not properly labeled what do you do with the stockpiles on which you've spent millions of your state's budget. >> this isn't just for states that outlaw boabortion, it would be for the entire country. >> gavin newsom saying this is not right at all the dobbs decision said we're going to kick it back to the people we're going to leave it to the people's representatives to

decide what abortion should be, but if they take away this right, the fda's approval of mifepristone, then states like ours, new york, won't have that right at all >> so mary, walk us through what you're waiting for, what you're watching for in these next few hours. >> i think we just are in the dark in the court is doing in this self-imposed deadline it could be that the court is going to issue something in the dead of night because it knowsing it be controversial it could be that the case is too complicated to resolve with the initial self-imposed deadline on wednesday and it could be that some justice, jutdge, is unhapp with whatever is going to come out in terms of granting a stay or not and is writing a dissent. we're completely in the dark on something that's going to have massive national implications. political implications as well, i mean, we've seen so many cases

from now, from the wisconsin state supreme court election, the liberal justice, trounced the other guy in the race who was an anti-abortion running on not being for abortion she was running on for enabling abortion and the special elections we've seen, not to mention the midterms that should have been a big red wave, instead were not politically speaking, what is this going to give politicians who are running on making sure that women can access abortions if they need them. >> i think it's going to be huge, one of the things that's the most political salient is that both the fifth circuit and judge kacsmaryk not only weigh in on authority, but the 19th century antivice law is tantamount to a national ban on abortion one of the things that's significant is the act is a statute that congress could repeal i think you're going to see the more the federal courts push the envelope on this, the more

you're going to see democrats seeing enforcement of the come stock act is on the ballot in 2024, enforcement of whatever comes out of the supreme court via the fda's authority in 2024. this is going to nationalize more than what we've seen in 2022, the abortion issue going into the next election season. >> can we talk about the issue of standing again. i keep getting stuck on that if the justices deny this stay, does that mean that they basically said it's okay for people who have not had any harm to have standing in a case >> not necessarily, and one of the things that's so pernicious about the shadow docket that mary referred to is it's a regular way of deciding cases. the justices could grant or deny the stay without much of anything at all. we wouldn't know really what they think about standing. if they deny the stay, all they're saying is the case should go through the regular appellate prose. what you can deduce from that, the standing analysis that judge

kacsmaryk doesn't trouble them much at all. >> when we're talking about this, it can get very confusing. currently as it stands, mary a lot of laws on the books, regarding abortion and when it's legal and not illegal are still very confusing and very vague. yesterday i had a woman on named amanda zarowski who had to basically be next to death in order to get an abortion she told me about her ordeal, and i just want to play a little bit of it in case you missed it yesterday. >> it took three days for me to reach the point where my life was considered in danger and what happened to me was in a matter of about 15 minutes, i went from, you know, seemingly healthy to septic. and what that looked for me was an extremely high fever. i think it spiked at 103 incoherent confusion, i couldn't walk from the car to our bedroom

without my husband's help. >> just to be clear, what happened to you was avoidable if you got the health care you needed when they said you needed it >> yes, exactly. >> and just to give a little more context to that, she was, i believe about 18 weeks pregnant, she was told her fetus -- her baby would not survive she wanted that baby she was told it would not survive. her uterus was not capable of holding the baby her water broke really early and her doctor, she's not suing them she's suing the state of texas she said her doctors wanted to help her said they needed to help her said there was no way for the baby to survive and she would get very sick, but they couldn't touch her until she almost died. that's a vagary in the law that she's trying to clear up with this lawsuit, but how do you clear that up when it ultimately is the judgment, the judgment of a doctor mary >> part of the challenge, right,

is that these laws -- so texas's law is particularly bad in the sense that there are multiple conflicting bans on abortion with slightly different definitions of when doctors can intervene. layered on top of that is the penalties for guessing wrong if you're a doctor are so severe, and so doctors who want to help their patients are looking down the barrel of felony criminal punishment, and that's going to have an extreme effect on when they are willing to intervene, even in situations where the law allows them to, there are going to be doctors that hesitate because they don't want to face prison time and crime. >> what about getting the bill from overseas, i keep seeing notes on instagram about how you can still get this pill from overseas, even if the supreme court lifts the stay >> i mean, yeah, i think, again, that underscores the importance of 2024. the fda has rules on personal importation that it largely has left mostly unenforced in ways

there's been groups like aid access that are allowed in effect to continue sending abortion pills into the united states obviously criminal prosecutions of those groups are going to be very difficult to pursue because people are not going to be extradited from countries that view abortion as a protected right. i think, again, fda's attitude forward personal importation of pills from abroad could change in a second trump administration, for example. i think this is another example where who's in the white house is going to have a lot to do with how fda approaches these issues. >> we're going to wait and see the deadline is midnight tonight. the experience we have had in this hour, though, is that it usually comes around 3:45. so watch for 3:45 to see if we get a decision lisa rubin, and mary ziegler, ladies, thank you very much, we couldn't get connected with arin, but we'll catch her next time he has a debt limit plan, does he have the votes. why swing district republicans are skeptical of speaker mccarthy's proposal. >> and turning down the wrong

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police say the man hunt for the north carolina man accused of firing his gun at his neighbors is over. robert lewis singletary, a 24-year-old, surrendered in florida on thursday afternoon after a two-day search neighbors say singletary shot at the family who lived next door when a basketball rolled into his yard a 6-year-old girl was hit in the face with a bullet charred her mother was grazed and her father is still in the hospital. that shooting was the fourth that we've covered in a week where young people were shot for making a mistake in at least two of the cases, the young people entered another person's property. it's not yet clear why the upstate new york man accused of killing a 20-year-old woman seen here on the right fired his gun, but the ap reports a neighbor tells them the suspect had become increasingly upset over the years at people making wrong turns into his driveway.

while the kansas city man who shot 16-year-old ralph yarl after he mistakenly rang the wrong doorbell told officers he was afraid for his life. so where does all of this fear and this apparent anger come from and why does it seem like it's happening more often. the answer could lie in the law. 30 states have stand your ground laws or as critics call them, kill at will laws, including missouri, where ralph yarl was shot the first of these laws was enacted in 2005, voted through the legislature with the help of the nra according to marion hammer, who says she was involved in the process. dozens of other states followed suit every town for gun safety with the help of gifford's law center did research they say shows the purpose of that law was to make guns more attractive in the face of declining gun sales

in other words, the group argues it was a marketing campaign, and it appeared to work. more guns were sold, but as a result, more people got shot in 2022, the journal of the american medical association says since the first stand your ground law passed in florida, monthly gun deaths have risen 11%, that's roughly 700 additional gun deaths each year. and according to michael seigle, a doctor and researcher at tufts university school of medicine, it's not just the laws on the book, it's that the public is intensely aware of those laws. following the 2007 passage of missouri's stand your ground law, the state's governor, matt blunt went on tour promoting it. quote, the law ensures law-abiding missourians will not be punished when they use force to defend themselves and their family from attacks in their own home or vehicle. blunt said at the time in 2013, the country was made acutely aware of the law when

george zimmerman went on trial and was acquitted for killing 17-year-old trayvon martin his defense was that he was scared for his life. it didn't matter that according to prosecutors martin was just minding his own business, walking down the street or that zimmerman followed, confronted and provoked martin first. what mattered is that zimmerman said he felt he was in danger. andrew lester said the same thing, that he shot 16-year-old ralph yarl because he was scared for his life lester's grandson says he was not surprised that it happened and that stand your ground laws and the nra's message that you need to defend your home is just part of it he was immersed in a 24-hour news cycle of fear and paranoia said dan ludwig buying into the fox news line. i feel like it's further radicalized him in a lot of ways he was watching stuff like this.

>> it's been a wild world of anarchy in democratic cities, mobs taking over the streets, destroying property, even beating up innocent bystanders, and police officers are powerless to stop it. >> permissive attitudes toward crime and liberal enclaves, that's given gangs the incentive to use younger kids to commit some of the worst acts of violence. >> shootings, murder, assault, anarchy in the streets of our entire country almost. >> let's get into it, joining me now are the director of the research and evaluation center, john j. college ocf criminal justice, jeffrey bud, a member of regional gun violence, research consortium, and university of alabama assistant professor in the department of journalism and creative media, aj bower, aj is the co-editor of news on the right, studying conservative news cultures jeffrey, let's talk about this when these shootings were happening this weekbefore the girl in north carolina was hit

with that bullet shard, we asked ourselves why is this happening, why are people so scared or so angry that they're turning first to their gun instead of just opening the door and saying what do you want orio yelling at someone, get off my property, whatever the case. why are they turning to their gun first? >> some researchers talk about america having a gun culture, and that gun culture goes back centuries, stemming from a time in europe when to go hunting was considered a sign of privilege, and also masculinity there's a lot of masculinity rituals caught up with sharing guns and teaching people how to use guns that component of the gun culture started to subside and be overtaken by the self-defense culture with the whole second amendment and the stand your ground laws are a good example and why it's happening, don't we ask ourselves that every time there's a shooting, a school shooting, a mass shooting, how can people be thinking this way. and all of those mysteries are

perplexing but none of them would be lethal if it weren't for the massive amount of guns in this country, and you use the key term, marketing. >> marketing >> yeah. >> so when these research groups say that the nra's goal and the stand your ground laws was to make guns more desirable because at the time gun sales were going down the goal was to scare people into feeling like a gun was necessary to keep them safe. >> yeah. imagine if our alcohol laws were set by -- controlled by, and created by the beverage industry, the alcoholic beverage industry the same issue we have a product, which when used properly could be okay for people, but you can't ensure that everyone who gets the product knows how to use it or has good intentions. >> you know, i went to the nra convention in 2016 in louisville, and i was struck as i was waiting for donald trump to speak about all of the videos that were played for the audience in the crowd who was

waiting for the candidate for president at the time as well. and a lot of them were about crime in big cities, and they would show these beauty shots of new york or this idea that people in big cities wanted to come for the guns of every day americans. they were scary, and if you were buying into it, you would get scared that at any moment your life could be in danger by a criminal who's coming to get you. the nra has that message at their convention it's not just there. it's not just those who are attending that convention. what are you seeing? >> yeah, so i'm glad you mentioned that my dad actually is an nra member and a few years ago, i was reading, you know, at his house, america's first freedom, which is the nra magazine that gets mailed out to nra members, and i remember noticing there's a section, i'm assuming there still is, there's a section devoted to brief stories of individuals who use their guns to defend their property

it will be a random news brief, such and such grandma was at her house, and this robber came, and she got her gun and defended herself and the robber ran away and she was safe there's a long standing fetishization within the gun community, people who are part of the nra and adjacent, who fetishize this idea. no one else is going to protect them they need a gun to protect themselves they're always anticipating somebody is going to be knocking on their door and coming for their gun or coming for something else that their gun can protect for them. >> what do you make of andrew lester's grandson saying in part it was the nra and in part the 24-hour news cycle, fox news and oan and being told the world is scary. >> if you watch fox news, your blood pressure goes up it does sound scarey when you're watching it. conservative radio, talk radio, fox news play a key role in promoting violence, particularly the notion that cities are

violent. also the idea, suburban areas are changing and ethnic and racial and class demographics, the areas that were white middle class spaces are increasingly, racially ethnically diverse spaces with multiple classes of people, and that's scary to a lot of older white people who have been in these communities for a while, and so when they're reading about urban crime, right, urban is coded racially in this country. if they're seeing african americans or latino folks in their neighborhood that they didn't usually see, they're coding that as criminal elements because of the way the long standing kind of racial discrimination in the country. >> go ahead. >> i also want to point out, it isn't just right wing media. true crime is among the most popular entertainment generas in the country, and local television outlets have been since the 1970s, if it bleeds it leaves type basis for their coverage you're not watching fox news,

right, you're getting a considerable amount of content saying there are killers all around us, murders everywhere, be on the lookout. >> you see it on social media, too. there are certain news sites i follow on my instagram telling me how dangerous and terrifying the subway is in new york city, and it does get your blood pressure up. you're nodding your head as aj was talking, especially about the coding of urban in our culture. >> yeah, i think that's partly an outcome of the bias, the racial bias, the cultural differences in this country historically, it's also a function of how difficult it is to compile crime statistics. so the federal government had an attempt to improve the crime data in this country, and just switch to the new system, and about a third of the country cannot yet participate that makes it hard for someone to do a national figure on crime. what people have gotten in the habit of doing is talking about cities because cities are better capable of generating complex statistics and even friends of mine that do this work will

publish papers talking about the top ten cities or top 30 cities, and people get that message, and it's what aj was saying, they start equating urban and city with crime. >> and it also becomes a big talking point during the political cycles and during political canmpaigns. republicans were relying on crime heavily. part of the reason republicans gained so many steats in the state of new york. because there was a spike in violence during the pandemic, and because it was covered so much on local news and in local outlets in new york, it felt like it was huge it was a big, big scary deal, and when i would go up to west chester and i would talk to people up there, they would tell me how scary and terrible new york city was, even though they weren't really going to new york city all the time. they felt it was a big deal. what do you say and just put some polling up here, 6 in 10 voters told pew violent crime is

important when told who to vote for in the congressional election what's that narrative doing, again, to the public's perception of crime? >> yes, i wish we had politicians that paid attention to truth and facts and my friends and i in this field are always asking each other when we hear a statement from a politician that distorts reality, do they know they're lying or are they being misled by someone else and repeating what they have been told, because they are obvious blatant lies being told about crime in cities, and people who don't spend their time thinking about this all the time will just drink that in and believe it my late mother when i moved to new york city 13 years ago, she said to me that she was worried about me being in the city because it was dangerous and i showed her the data that her suburb of columbus, ohio, actually had a higher per capita rate, a higher chance of being harmed by crime than i would here did that register with her, did

it influence her, no >> nothing more powerful in terms of emotions than the emotion of fear. fear and anger are certainly up there. dr. butts and a.j., thank you very much for joining us and starting this conversation, helping us understand why this could possibly be happening more it seems now, especially just for accidents. coming up, racial profiling, fabricated evidence, what else an investigation revealed about officers in a northern california police department. first, though, federal prosecutors are weighing criminal charges against hunter biden. what tseho charges are power e*trade's easy-to-use tools like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis help make trading feel effortless and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market with powerful, easy-to-use tools power e*trade makes complex trading easier react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity

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federal prosecutor haves considered four charges against hunter biden and a gun purchase according to a person close to the matter two senior law enforcement officers told local news there's growing frustration within the fbi because investigators finished most of their work, more than a year ago joining me now is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian so finish their work more than a year ago, what's happening >> well, katy, that's the great mystery here this is one of the times the secrecy required for criminal investigations collides with a great public interest to make sure there's no political interference in the investigation of the president's

son. all we know is the investigation was concluded more than a year ago. we know from our reporting that there are four charges at issue here including two misdemeanor counts for failure to file a tax return, one felony tax evasion related to a business expense, and one charge related to lying on a gun permit application, and now we have this whistleblower, this irs agent whose come forward through his attorney and said that there's political interference going on in this case one thing that, you know, the biden administration has said that the u.s. attorney in delaware is handling this investigation, who was a trump appointee. a lot of people have failed to consider the fact that justice department rules require that the tax division in washington approve any tax charges brought against an individual. the tax division is led by a biden appointee. there's also some rules about where you can bring failure to file a return. it usually has to be in the place where the person lives in this case, for hunter biden, that's california where there are democratic u.s. attorneys.

we don't know. i'm just listing for you two possible vectors where democratic political appointees could have input on this case. we'll just have to see where it goes. >> hunter biden has denied any wrong doing, and talking about mysteries, ken dilanian, looks like you're trapped in a mystery there. everyone's having technical difficulties today but that black background looks good on you my friend. thank you for joining us. >> good to see you >> gremlins in the system. let's go back to capitol hill where one gremlin is finally out of our machinery garrett haake, the other gremlin is here with us. you're too tall to call you a gremlin. thanks for being back with us, senior capitol hill correspondent. the debt ceiling, kevin mccarthy does he have the votes to pass his plan. >> reporter: he doesn't yet, but optimistic he'll get them next week mccarthy's play to his moderates, it's not the freedom caucus guys, not the folks who rock the boat in the speakers race that are most concerned about the debt bill that

mccarthy put forward but the moderate, the ones in joe biden districts who don't want to have ads run against them who say they put work requirements on people who were applying for medicaid or cutting spending on program x, y or z. one of the things that the bill does is leaves the decisions about what is spending the cut, if it becomes law, becomes discretionary for the appropriation's committee, and allows them to skirt the discussion, and allows democrats to hammer republicans who do vote for it, they voted to cut any particular program they want i think what you're going to see over the weekend and early into next week is a lot of negotiating behind the scenes, if not to change the bill itself, to change the messaging around it, to make it clear this is a bill that's meant to kick start negotiations, to get kevin mccarthy and joe biden into a room together. it's probably not, almost certainly not ever going to become law on its own. it's a starting place, and that's what this debate need or

at least that's the argument kevin mccarthy is making. >> say he gets this bill passed, he has to negotiate with the president and a lot of ideas get rolled back because it can't pass the senate and can't pass the white house. does he maintain control of the house if he signs on ultimately to a bill that raises the debt ceiling and avoids a default but is not palatable to all of those folks who said i will only put you in this position if you take a hard line on this issue. >> you have outlined the challenge to mccarthy very nicely he's got a ton of members in his conference who have never voted for a debt ceiling increase because they haven't had to. democrats have carried the water for republicans on raising the debt ceiling time and again. republicans have been able to do one of the most popular things, hope yes and vote no they haven't wanted to default now that they're in the majority of the house, republicans have to vote for something to raise the debt limit, and it's not going to be something that has everything they want in.

they are one-third of the government even if joe biden and senate democrats decide they want to negotiate, this bill won't be it it won't be the final thing. and will that be good enough for the hard liners? will they be able to make the math work on this? it's very much an open question, and brings us back to the speaker's race and the agreements mccarthy had to make, including weakening the threshold to call for a vote on his removal. he's in a very difficult position over the next couple of weeks with the clock ticking louder and louder and louder the closer we get. >> it's just one person, right, not three? >> reporter: that's the threshold to call for a vote you would still need the majority to get him replaced with somebody else. >> i know you said there are some republicans who have never voted to raise the debt ceiling. there are a lot of republicans who have, including a lot of republicans who did so multiple times under donald trump at least once under donald trump. garrett garrett haik, thank you very

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with these antioch police officers that target my son, that text each other comments about my son's head was a bowling ball that they kicked a field goal, that they was going to shoot him that they shot him in his neck with a 40. these officers need to be removed from antioch police department, and i moved, i mean criminal, i need justice for my son. >> shirelle cobb spoke on behalf of her son, one of five plaintiffs in a federal lawsuit against the city of antioch in northern california for quote malicious treatment by police. allen was arrested in 2021, awaiting trial for attempted murder but his case and several others are getting looked at in a new light after investigative report revealed last week by the contra costa county d.a. that revealed alleged racist, vulgar

and derogatory text messages were sent and received by dozens of antioch police officers the redacted report also revealed texts about fabricating evidence and discussing discussions about beating black suspects with officers taking and sharing pictures of injured individuals from their hospital beds 14 officers were named in the report nine officers have been susp suspended with pay one is no longer employed by the department joining me now are the criminal defense attorney representing all five plaintiffs, john burris, and one of the plaintiffs joins him in that lawsuit, adam carpenter thank you, guys, for being here. >> thank you. >> adam, i want to discuss what happened to you. explain it to us >> i have been dealing with the abuse from the antioch police department since i was about 20, 21

now every encounter, it was always a violation of my rights, you know, being railroaded this particular encounter was more so like the scene in a movie. now, they would see me, pull me over, immediately pull me out of the car, take my belongings, whatever they felt they wanted to take off my person, and then let me go. no ticket, no nothing. for me, it was like, okay, you all know who i am. you all know i'm not on probation and parole, why are you all doing this every time you see me now, in the event of -- before they sent me into federal custody, i was pulled over and told that i was on probation they put me in the back of the police car immediately after that, i went down to the antioch police department to obtain information in regards to that stop to see

if that was actually said, and inside the department, they told me that that was not said over the radio, and at that time, i gathered my event numbers that basically states every time they stop me and ran my now, before i could get the statement and everything filled out, i ended up going into custody, into federal custody, but beforehand when they first arrested me and they sent me to jail, i bailed out on a $470,000 bond now, upon being on bond, i encountered the police and they told me that they was going to send me to the feds. about three months after that i was arrested and sent to federal custody. after 11 months in custody, all charges was dropped due to the

police being dirty on a case after returning home, i still had to deal with the situation in the state now, for me it's like, okay, well, they just released me because the police was dirty, so how can i still, you know, be tried? and they told me because one police on the case wasn't dirty. in the event of the name coming up on the list they ended up dropping the charges >> let me just give a little bit of background, i should have said this up top you were arrested on gun charges in november 2020, as you said, the charges were later dropped it's unclear why those charges were dismissed as you talked about getting pulled over multiple times, you have ten traffic stops since this report that the fbi did regarding the police officers in antioch, they included text messages from one of your arresting officers who, among other things, appeared to

discuss fabricating evidence while texting another officer in the city -- or in another city he said, i sometimes just say, people, give me a full confession when they didn't, gets filed easier. and when you're talking about those repeated traffic stops, there's another text message from that officer back in 2021 texting another officer according to this report, i'm only stopping them cuz they black. eff them kill each other this report doesn't specify the case either officer was referring to in these texts. when you read these and you think about your case, what's your reaction? s>> for me like it actually cam out, you know. for a person to go through something and not really have a voice against the police, it's

like, you know, god is willing and prevailing to see through that justice is served >> that's right. thank you so much for coming on. we're going to keep following this report and talk more about the text messages which, by the way, have some real racist stuff in them. monkey references, stuff about hating women, et cetera. gentlemen, thank you very much for being here >> thank you coming up next, president biden is ready to make it official and announce his bid for reelection what we know about his plans for a 2420 run on employees through the pandemic, getrefunds.com can see if it may qualify for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per employee, even if it received ppp, and all it takes is eight minutes to get started. then we'll work with you to fill out your forms and submit the application; that easy. and if your business doesn't get paid, we don't get paid. getrefunds.com has helped businesses like yours claim over $2 billion but it's only available for a limited time. go to getrefunds.com, powered by innovation refunds.

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comcast business. powering possibilities™. he's running it is almost official, that is advisers are planning to launch president biden's 2024 reelection campaign as soon as next tuesday according to sources familiar with the plans. the official kickoff will start a lot like 2020 did with biden making the bid official with an online video message, but from

there it's going to look a little bit different joining me now is nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander. the chief difference here, peter, is he's going to do this from the rose garden as president of the united states >> reporter: well, i don't think you're going to see him barnstorming states, he's likely going to focus on what he has which is the power of the pulpit based on conversations we're having the president is going to focus on his accomplishments to this point and focusing on the effort to implement many of them, including the infrastructure bill now law to spend so much money across america, right now they want to just demonstrate action on that, inflation reduction act the administration has put a lot of emphasis behind as well. let's talk about tuesday, obviously tuesday has been circled on the calendar on here for a while obviously because that is the anniversary of when president biden made his then campaign video announcement back in 2019 for 2020 we expect this one to be a video announcement as well, but the president he certainly does face unique challenges right now,

among them poll numbers that have him hovering at roughly 42, maybe low to mid 40s right now and the issue of his analogy, 08 years old right now, if he were to win again it would be 86 when his second term ended. i've been on the road from north carolina to philadelphia and in the conversations i have had even with biden supporters they express real concerns about their nominee being that old, but many of them also agree that, you know, they think it's much better than the alternative on the republican side with so many issues they view as critical, katy. >> how does -- quickly, though, how does this white house feel about going up against donald trump maybe again? >> reporter: it's clear that joe biden believes there is a need to restore the soul of america, that's a theme you will likely see in the videos that come out as early as tuesday, it's what brought the president into this race and one that i think really still defines his understanding of the difference he hopes he can make for the country going forward. >> peter alexander at the white house. always good to see you thank you for coming on. and 3:45 came and went with

no spect decision. doesn't mean it might not happen in the next couple minutes so stay dund to "deadline: white house" which starts right now. hi there, everyone happy friday, it's 4:00 in new york so it turns out that the massive $787.5 million settlement in the dominion fox news case will not mean the end of the steady drip of damaging revelations involving fox and those who used fox to pedal the big lie to try to overturn an election and by extension our democracy. take, for example, this from former fox news producer turned whistleblower abby gross berg. this is ted cruz on november 7, 2020, the day president joe biden was projected to be the winner by all of the networks of the 2020 election. he was on a phobe call with fox's mari