sought out >> i find ironic, and if she were here today, she would say take away forgiveness, it's better way >> let's pray, come lord jesus >> and, every sunday the faithful still filled th pews at the pendleton free methodist church >> and a barefoot sprite who loves to dance, lives on at least in memory >> amy's life was great. and i think the people who kne her would want to live bette lives because of knowing her and knowing who she was. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin thank you for watching >> hello everyone, i'm alici menendez, as we begin a new. our shutting down democracy, republicans flock to the nra convention in the wake o another mass shooting. borja book in party is using

its power against the power of the people plus, the impact of th classified documents, again, what we can learn from the national guardsmen charged i the case also, trial for truth. fox news and dominion set to have their day in court. changing the narrative, ou conversation with broadway's first known native america woman playwright, about th thanksgiving play and how it fits into this political moment this is american voices. >> we begin with a disconnec between american voters and th policies backed by republican-led legislatures. there is no bigger issue tha highlights the stark contras between most americans, in republican politics then gun violence this weekend, the national rifle association is wrappin up its annual meetin indianapolis as always, it is a must attend event for anyone thinking abou running for president as a republican friday, leaders embraced the nra, important conservativ

voters who see the secon amendment as a vehicle t enhance individual liberties as nbc news reports, quote advocates for tightening gun restrictions say republica presidential candidates pu themselves at risk in th general election by lining u to align themselves with the nra. >> it's an allegiance to guns, simply out of step with most americans. >> this is not a gun problem this is a mental healt problem. this is a social problem this is a cultural problem this is a spiritual problem. >> why did the liberals and jo biden won our guns because it will make it easier for them to infringe on all of our other rights >> we don't need gun control we need crime control. we don't need lectures about the liberties of law, abiding, citizens we need solutions to protect our kids >> i don't play that sound lightly. i play it because i want you t understand what it is that the

are selling their audience selling their potential voters because here's the thing americans do need solutions. they just don't buy the same republican policies touted for decades that we know, we kno do not work. hold - a poll last year in tennesse found that seven out of te people, they want to expan background checks. that is in tennessee as you know. it is long helped a fantasy of line teachers with guns. only a third of tennesse voters see that idea as a good idea which brings us to the tennessee state legislature an the republicans serving in it. a consolidating power to silence what our democracy demands, specifically regardin sensible gun safety proposal and, of course, they are doing so in response to a mass shooting at an elementar school in nashville. this, week to tennesse democrats, justin pearson, and justin jones were reinstated after republicans in the state legislature expelled them. for protesting gun violence on the chamber floor.

consider the will of the peopl now restored as kathy johnson writes in political magazine, this is version of something happening all over the country, at every level of government, in whic the preferences of voters ofte filter through representativ bodies whose lopside majorities don't reall represent the electorate bet o the state around them. joining me now, the reverend - president of repairs of th breach reverence, next week, we are bringing your movement t nashville to protest in action >> on gun violence the attacks on democracy tha we see on republicans. what is needed in this momen to hold those empowe accountable for thei unwillingness to act on gu safety measures? >> thank you so much we have been invited by blac and white and young and old an gay and straight and latino an asian and pastors and impacted people to come and begin t

process moral monday, this i the tenth anniversary of moral monday, that started north carolina and when we started on north carolina ten years ago, within the first year, over 120 people at the gates -- we went from 17 people 200,000 we register people to vote, we [inaudible we made a posse cade - [inaudible we aided in voter rights o voter suppression. we helped the three names keep together, because the record is, these moral fugitives as a reconstruction if you look at the crowds, they're white, black, wh learned, don't matter, old wha republican extremists want i to be about race but there is something more. here what we are seeing here i the difference between hypocrisy and a lie. they are saying that the answe to guns is more guns they are saying that they woul rather ban legislative awe is,

it's not the legislators, bu their voices of the people they would rather do that than to say - save lives of children they would rather do that than band saw weapons they would rather banned peopl than to pass health care expand medicated, the save those lives. they would rather banned peopl than putting out living wage and health care, knowing tha 700 people die every day o from poverty and lack of healt care so what we are facing is tha we have to get the narrative straight, is the politics of death versus the politics of life the politics of whether or not we are going to put policy as form of policy of murder o policy of mercy. trump is actually right, it is a mental illness issue because it is insane to see ou children being killed, and w want to stop the voices of those children being spoke through our legislator we would rather hide from it and deal with it it is insane for legislators t

get health care when you get elected, but not one their constituents to have it is insane not to address th truth of poverty when you know people are dying so emergency, moral leaders, and people who are marchin tomorrow for tennessee's moral monday in nashville are goin to be carrying caskets we are going to be bringin people have been impacted by gun violence and other things, and what we are saying is that we are no longer going to bury people and eulogized them an comfort the families and not seek to change the very public policy that creates the mornin and the problems in the firs place. and we are going to challeng this hypocrisy, we see these republican extremists quotin scripture. >> they're not, but they don't quote isaiah ten, warning thos who robbed people -- they don't quote jesus where they say, as much as you do to

the hungry, the broken, th poor you to this under me. and they will not get a free pass anymore we actually heard and hope tha many of them will repent, bu we must make this a moral issu and not nearly a partisa issue. >> reverent, thank, you as always for getting us started. and tomorrow, i'm going to sta with representative justin jones ahead of monday's march. you can see that interview right, here 6 pm eastern, on american voices. i want to bring in 20 devito cofounder of president way t win and andrea mercado executive director of florid rising tory, i want to start with the words of representative jones. here is how he is framing th battle over political power. >> the generational shif coming to america, the reckoning that our generatio says that we don't have to wai for some of the time, but ther comes a time when time itsel is ready for a change. and that time has come for tennessee and for america. and so, my message to youn people is that we must continu to step into our power, to hol accountable these voices o white supremacy, and let u build a new system together as

a nation because they say the south flores again, i will say the south will rise a new. >> the south will rise a new i was so struck by that line and because i want to talk t you and andrea, is because you are doing this organizing in the south. what is that change going to require? what is all of the work you ar doing? the research you are doing tel you about what that is going t look like? >> you know, demographics are condition and an opportunity not a strategy in it of itself what the gop is doing by using old stale playbooks, i, mean the idea of using race as tool to divide us was writte in the 1968 southern strateg playbook and we are not in 1968 anymore today, at least 80% of americans want kids to get t read books that tell the truth about our history. everything they rely upon is losing right now in this culture war. and what is happening is i gives us an opportunity to forge new coalition of new

voters we know every day that there are 1000 texans being born int the electorate we know every day that there have always been concentration of people of color in th south. but when you have thes opportunities to pull together new, young voters with moderat voters and traditional voter who are rejecting maga extremism, that is how we wi in the south, and then, frankly, it is every democrats duty t do it. it will take a few cycles to work in texas and florida. it is going to take work t keep georgia and arizona and take north carolina in 2024. but when we do so, when we forge these coalitions between the new voters and moderat voters, it will really cla back and reject against this extremism that is so out o step with americans today. >> america, i want to talk t

you. we are watching this play ou in your home state right now right? the six-week ban, abortion signed by governor ron desantis you've got efforts for constitutional carry in your state. you have new legislation tha makes it a crime to harbor a migrant in your state. pick your issue, it is wildl out of step with where mos voters are >> that is absolutely true, an we can't afford to underestimate rhonda santas th way that we underestimated donald trump in 2016 i think florida voting rights, immigrant rights, lgbt activists, teachers unions students, we all deepl understand the existential threat that ronald desanti poses to the promise o democracy. and that is why inspired b moral mondays, we have bee working with organizations and movements to hold wake u wednesdays every wednesday, for the las seven weeks, there have been actions across the state, an

every week, there are more student walkouts, marches, and protests you know, people who are sayin that ron desantis, who was pursuing his presidentia ambitions, is deeply out o touch with the majority of floridians here in florida, we pass gam marriage before it was the law of the land. we passed amendment for give the vote the right to vote bac to returning citizens on the first 15 dollar minimum wage i the south. but our state legislature is being held hostage by th extreme right. and, you know, every day, more and more people are waking u to what that means for themselves, for their families for their communities. >> they want to pull us back i history, but we are not goin back we are seeing a cultural and political uprising >> here's the, thing tory, i care about what happened peopl in tennessee, i care about happens to people in florida but i think that you have potential front runner for the republican and the republica primary race for president, as rhonda sanchez he is telecasting what it is

that he wants to do. you wrote a column this mont about how desantis uses hi power, and you said that desantis crowned himself a king in florida. but nationally, his brand is much less known. polls have shown that democrat -- have a real opportunity to brand desantis nationally as a ultra maga authoritarian looking to take away people' freedom. which strikes me, because it i the complete opposite of wha he is trying to sell florida a a bastion of freedom >> absolutely. ron desantis in so many ways i so much more trump than trump. he is actually figured out a way to use government as a too to penalize his enemies. and the reality is it is not well known yet nationally, jus what a threat he is. i mean, i am in severa conversations with democrati donors that are not yet seriou about this threat.

i know that desantis gets past the basics, i know that maga republicans have quite a col across this nation, and they know the true cult leader from the false. one however, we cannot rest on our laurels. we cannot let desantis get through. and we know that we can win. i mean, we have a foil lik desantis, a foil like trump. people who are actuall dismantling democracy an eroding our freedoms we don't just get to fight i the traditional battleground like wisconsin and pennsylvania, we get to take new ones, lik arizona, georgia, and nort carolina we get to fight down ballot fo places like texas and nort carolina and i will tell you this much. we did, recently about these state legislators were there are republican chokehold across the country, but most specifically in the south. there is so much room to actually get democrats to stay in the battle box and vote fro top to bottom of the ticket an when these elections gerrymandering lines are stale

because of demographic change. in just a few years time so, with real work, we could fight back for these places. the >> moral mondays, wake u wednesdays, ladies, your calendars are very full. thank you so much for taking the time to be with us as always, next, how did a 21-year-old member of th national guard become a suspec accused of leaking classifie intelligence documents plus, the dominion votin systems, fox news trial, set t get underway this monday when it comes as foxes facin yet another lawsuit. but first, to richard louis, with the other big stories we are watching this hour. on msnbc richard? >> alicia, great to see you. japan's prime minister evacuated from a campaign even saturday after someone threw a explosive device at him. the prime minister was unhurt. local police arrested 24-year-old suspect at the scene, no injuries wer reported as well violence broke out between sudan's government forces and paramilitary group it is in residential

neighborhoods across the city, and doctors, at least thre civilians have died. and today marks ten years sinc the 2013 boston marathon bombing. three people were killed i that attack. this morning, boston's mayor and massachusetts governor attended a private wreat laying ceremony, honoring th victims. this year's marathon is monday more american voices for you right after this break right after this break -to go bowling with us tonight? -yeah. no. there's my little marzipan! [ laughs ] oh, my daughter gives the best hugs! we're just passing through on our way to the jazz jamboree. [ imitates trumpet playing ] and we wanted to thank america's number-one motorcycle insurer -for saving us money. -thank you. [ laughs ] mara, your parents are -- exactly like me? i know, right? well, cherish your friends and loved ones. let's roll, daddio! let's boogie-woogie!

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about the in 21 year old international guardsman who is accused of releasing nationa documents on discord we know that he served i massachusetts, he has security clearance at 2021. that's his resume, what abou the person one unnamed friend describes teixeria him housing a avi interest in guns he is facing accusations tha he leaked dozens of classified documents in a chat room he could face ten year convicted of two counts of retention, the transmission of national defense information the willful retention of classified documents let's bring in frank figliuzzi he is an msnbc nationa security analyst and the autho of the fbi way, the bureau cod of analyst i think the big question tha everyone has talked about this why does a 21-year-old junio member of the massachusett international guard have acces to classified documents abou the war in ukraine >> great question, and i

presents a teachable moment fo all of us. because the reality is tha across the military branches this is the norm the demographic with the skill sets to function as i specialist, cyber specialists, even system administrators, ar the youngest members of th military that is what my sources tell me, across the military services so it is really not a question hey, we need older people to d this who we trust more, bu rather, we need to figure out, we, meaning the defens department, how to bette lockdown our information and classified data, even from those who have, what are called, administrative privileges. because they administer th network, the program, th database that is why jack teixeria i ha this kind of access. and look, the reality here tha everyone needs to know is that many u.s. corporations hav better internal security for their most sensitive data then

the pentagon has that disparity should no exist. we have got to get better at locking classified information down >> wait, wait, wait, you know never interrupt you. you're right, everyone shoul know that. how is that possible how is it possible that yo have private companies in this country that have better security for their preciou documents than our government? >> it's really inexcusable but i consult with these major global corporations. and i can tell you their insider threat programs, their ability to identify what matters most, the bottom line, what cannot walk out the doo at that built research development, a future market value. they have got. it and they understand how t tag it in their networks, ho to identify the employees that should and should not have access and most importantly, how th alarm bells should go off an do go off when people try to access information that they can't see.

and when the egress data how printing, spending so much tim on the screen reading, which i exactly what jack teixeria did and, yes, people found the defense part you know, he was a systems administrator. he seemed to have access there is better ways to do this and one of it is to encrypt th top secret data, so that eve one assistance administrator pulls on the screen, all he or she sees is gobbledegook it is encrypted. or isolate and narrow the scop of responsibility for each i.t specialists so that you only administer this part of th system, but not that part of the system the bills and whistles are not there, the warning signs are not there, and the ability t find your data out in the wild which even companies do by the way, they scour the internet t see if anyone is talking about them and their data, the pentagon needs to do that as well >> what are your questions around motive here, frank? >> the best picture into motiv

was a great interview conducte by the washington post of budd of teixeria's in this discor chat room, this gaming cha room, where young people han out and talk about everything. especially gaming. and what did his buddy say no, no, he is not whistleblower. he was showing off it was about telling us, and teaching us, and showing wha he could do. it wasn't about whistleblowing so we are looking at a digital age generation that grew u gaming online, trusting people in their private chat rooms so that they would never met, and try to seek affirmation in thi group of people out ther wanting to be liked. what is the best way to be liked? look what i have, look wha i've access to let me teach you a few things. that is the motivation here. >> before you go, and i only have a minute left, i have t ask you about congresswoma marjorie taylor greene defending the accused. not the only right wing figure to do. so how does that actually make

national security more complicated when you hav members of congress egging thi guy on >> yeah, marjorie taylor green sits on the homeland securit committee, for heaven's sake and, yes, doctor calls in hi raid in as well. they're calling him, not a traitor, but some kind of hero and what this does is it makes that kind of pressure, tha kind of influence, makes it so difficult for congress t actually do what it needs whic is more money in budge resources and personnel to get it reich into fix the problem. you can't do that if congres seems unwilling to see this gu is anything but a traitor. and don't forget, coming dow the pipeline their friend, former president trump may be facing these very same charges for the mar-a-lag documents. it is almost mandatory for the to side with this trader because their friend, trump ma be getting these very same charges. >> frank think lucy, as always thank you so much for walkin through all of this. next, dominion voting system

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denies it acted with actua malice into may in case. joining me now, attorney chris matty, he was the need attorne for the sandy hook families in one of the defamation case against alex jones also with us, angela course, o president co of media matters. chris, thank you so much for being with us. new york times calls the dominion case, quote, the li about law equivalent of th super bowl what is the standard of proo in the libel lawsuit and why i this which is so high stakes >> it's a huge case, it is ver difficult to prove defamatio or libel against a media organization what dominion is going out o proof is fox news acted with actual malice, that, is they spread information they knew t be false, or they spread information with reckles disregard as to whether it was false or true. and these cases are very difficult to prove, because as foxes claim throughout thi case it indicates that it was simpl covering a topic of public interest but with behind the scenes email seemed to show is that

even as fox was spreadin disinformation about the legitimacy of the election, it own on air news personalitie did not believe that the stories they were spreadin were true. and so the evidence, in this case, is exactly the type of evidence that could set precedent in holding media organizations responsible fo spreading, with dominion claims, was propaganda and disinformation >> implications of bribery o fox news i'm going to ask you the sam questions, chris, i'll start with you, which is how significant is it. -- forced to testify in person? >> it is extremely significant because some of their best evidence involve communications involving those individuals. so dominion's lawyers are goin to have a chance to cros examination in front of a judg and a jury confronting these witnesses, by rupert murdoch and other high level witnesses

that these folks would never see the light of day and to see the reaction on the stand as they are confirming these communications is gonn be very telling, and probabl one of the high points, an most dramatic points of th trial. >> angela? but >> obviously, it i significant based on what we know murdaugh's already said he missed a pretty big in hi deposition and now part of it is that there is little you can polish but in his deposition, h basically conceded one of fo news's most significan offenses, because he sort of threw out this idea that the were neutrally covering a majo story. he said, he fully acknowledged during his deposition that his hosts were actively promotin the very lies that fox news' defense says they were not promoting they were just sor of covering other people sayin these lies he said, no, my hosts are doing, it and he went a step furthe and said that fox news is in a uconn unique position to correct these lies and he said that there are s

many emails and communications where rupert murdoch is bein informed, as well as by his ow people and his board member, saying that as a fiduciary what we are doing here i really dangerous what we have to do here is really dangerous and he disregarded all of thos by not shifting the networks coverage, while simultaneously engineering the networks coverage to focus on and address other stories, other topics, that were at lined wit his ideological interests. so he is a pretty importan fulcrum here >> chris, one of the reasons i want to talk to specifically i that you questioned alex jones high-profile defendant, in his defamation case. and your experience, in your opinion, but with a strategy from dominion's lawyers when they get fox news is a high-profile hosts, thei executives, on the stand >> well, i think it is probabl fair to say that alex jones is a little bit of a unique personality on the stand whe he is cross-examined they are probably gonna be dealing with someone mor sophisticated individuals, but the motives in the case agains alex jones are exactly the sam

as the motives that fox news i going to have to deal with and that is they had a profi motive to spread these lies. that the emails and th communications indicate, tha after they follow the election errors, they vastly starte losing audience. and that caused panic within fox news, they were losing ratings, they were losing thei core audience, and that is whe the narrative shifted for fo news, when they decided to choose their audience and th profits that that audience brings, rather than publishing the truth about the election and so, just as alex jones had a profit motive for spreadin false lies about sandy hoo because it generated his audience, so did fox news. and that cross-examination i going to be very compelling, because the jury is going to b wondering, why would the spread lies about somethin that everybody knew? and the answer is money. >> angelo, amid all of this, a fox news airing but -- don't worry, to my viewers, no even a clip of it the washington post put, it

trump was simply allowed t prattle on at will as someone who watches fox new on the regular, and thinks about it as a business, angelo what does that tell you? >> two things. one, it was like the good ol days when you are watching fox news, when they would always give trump the floor for 20, 30, minutes without even asking question tucker also basically said ten words in the first 12, 1 minutes of the interview and just let trump talk. in fact, one of the only thing that tucker said was t reinforce the idea that th election was stolen. because some people say jo biden won the election that was the introduction to the only question he asked trump during that time period. so i mean, part of it is the have to, that demonstrates the fine policy act that they ar walking here which is that they have to giv a winking and not to their audience they have to cater to them t some extent. it is, to me, very shocking, because just last month. it was the first month eve where another sort of trum rival actually had slightl

more coverage than trump did o fox news that has not happened fo years. ron desantis finally tippe trump, one time, one month it has not happened in years that somebody else has got mor coverage and boom, they are right back. so, to me, what it tells us is that this is going to be par of their balancing act they are squeezed between rock and a hard place. >> but what is very clear is that they are gonna continue t attack the elections, they are just not going to use the word dominion, but they are going t reinforce the big lie, and t an extent, they are stil deeply captive to a part of th audience that is so much allegiance to trump. so much so that they will give him, basically, a full hour of uninterrupted primetime from a host was repeatedly said tha he hated donald trump, and didn't think he was very smart and couldn't wait to sto talking about him. >> angelo, as always, appreciate your connecting the dots chris, your first time with, u please come back thank you both up next, justice thomas an relationship with billionair harlan crow under scrutiny

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the transaction cost the company over $30,000 the reporting is based on stat tax documents and a report built by republican. nbc has not reportedly oversee those documents. so the federal disclosure whil law passed after watergate says that justices mus disclose details of real estat sales over $1, 000, but thomas did not. the statement, by, process tha he purchased thomas's mother house to preserve it for prosperity all of this comes just day after propublica reported that thomas and his wife accepted luxury trips paid for by the billionaire for years, and denied that they need to b reported with me now, senior writers fo politico, josh, propublica has called for - chief justice roberts based -- on your recordings, robert technically doesn't have any disciplinary power over hi colleagues walk us through why that is.

>> well, lisa, i compare the chief justices job, while it sounds like a very high profil job where he could see to th president united states, and through my lifetime, seen hi preside over impeachment trial in the senate. i'm, there is just reall nowhere in the law or in the constitution that says the chief justice can basicall tell any other justice what to do about who he should hire as his staff or necessarily about what he should do with regar to recusing from cases, or ethics issues. and so, generally, chief justices have operated b powers of persuasion, but it also means that also an ethics policies around the court, i often seems like you reall need a nine justice consensu in order to move forward with any sort of reform.

or at least that seems to have been the tradition over th past few decades >> i guess's question, that yo just answered about unable o unwilling seems particularly relative because you have seen the public opinion on th supreme court. it is low, chief justice roberts wants to be a defender of the court's credibility is credibility possible with justice thomas seated on the court, given the controversies that he is involved. and particularly, if there i no inquiry into it >> i think that is the problem alicia, if it were seen as a independent inquiry. or even a non independen inquiry, that people would a least, perhaps, have some fait that somebody is looking int the matter but, historically, what we hav seen here is that the way this works is that congress usually does not have the desire or th will power to actually investigate these things themselves it prefers to ask the chie justice or the justice involve

to explain further o investigate. and, often, those sorts of requests don't go anywhere their only seems to be a response when the justice wa being accused chooses to respond, and sometimes, th response, there were questions about justice alito allegedl having been involved in th leak of an outcome of a case a decade or so ago and he issued a statement, and then when congress wrote the t the chief justice, that he kin of paraphrase that statement back in a letter to congress so that is how it is worked in the past but if the accused justice i recalcitrant or does not wan to respond, it is just not immediately clear what mechanism there is of except, of course, for th nuclear option here, which i impeachment. >> i've got about 30 seconds left, but i want to ask yo about this other headline, because today the washington post reporting that in 2017, texas federal judge, matthew kaz merrick submitted an article to a texas law revie that was criticizing

protections for transgende people in those seekin abortions. and according to the record, h re-removed his name from the report, msnbc news has not verified that reporting. but how unusual is that? >> well, if this occurred whil the nominee was before the senate, it is a little surprising to me that they would remove their name from a article and try to allegedly obscure this i have heard in othe situations of nominees who are judges delaying decisions on a case, i think that is even happened with the judg clarence thomas when he wa being in for the d.c. circui to the supreme court but for specific circumstances you are talking about, sound rather unusual to me >> josh christina, thank you s much for walking us to thi absolute critical story. up next, our conversation with the playwright behind th thanksgiving play, the first known native american woma

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narrative. here is our conversation wit lakota playwright, - the first draft comes spilling out of you in ten days what were the life experiences that had accumulated and clearly festered that allowe you to put this on the page in less than two weeks? >> 80% of the script is really just taken from my life. it is pretty much direct quotes, an edge said to find the 20% t connect it and make it a story that is cohesive and works together and it is not like i'm exaggerating, i'm really not i had to take out a lot of things that were much wilder than you see on the stag because people would not believe it the things that it happened to me in my life and the way th people talk to me as a nativ american woman in this world so really have thing just been building up over the years working in theater, and i find that it was able to be a vessel, thanksgiving ended up being vessel to put it all in and ge it out

>> because it is so ubiquitous >> yes and i want something that is ubiquitous in american culture but also something that, frankly, is beloved, and is so blatantly wrong. the way that we are taught about thanksgiving is so muc of fiction that, we created fo so many different reasons as you go back through history. and so, how do we look at that where you take something tha we all think we know about and we examine it in a way that is more honest and truthful, bu also funny >> you spent 12 years trying t get native people cast in place, and then your breakout hit centers for white actors and four white voices. that was a strategic choice. >> yes, it very much was it was so frustrating, because my place just would not move on >> producers were telling me that the shows were no cast-able. >> one show that had one hal native american character i wa told was on cast-able. and i've talked with other writers of color who've had to

do similar things. they've said, here the sam issues that i want to talk about, i will present in a different way, and the goo news is that not only was it a successful play that i enjoyed but now i have five more plays this year, and they are al native american casts so i a really grateful to have this play on broadway but that also means that dozens of nativ actors i get to employ for the rest of the year >> we are living through a moment, politically, where there is a desire to reall white history, to exclud certain parts of history fro being taught in classrooms, an they tend to be the most complicated difficult parts of our own history. so it seems that you are tryin to move the ball forward in moment when it is a lot of forces trying to push back >> that is the benefit of bein an artist, is that we can find different ways to talk about these things so i choose to use humor and satire, because it opens up as a safer place. we have a lot of people wh come to the show that have ver

different things, includin thanksgiving, and i think th invitation from me, as a artist, is to lean into this conversation and for us to all to be able to laugh together and then move forward together and to start asking questions. and one of the things is people, the words discomfort discomfort's word being used legally, as in a student feels discomfort to what is bein taught, they can choose to not have to be taught that so we have added those words i a very powerful way into the show >> as someone who was adopte by two white parents, you have said that you can code switc like no one else i have course, appreciate that how did that, then, help you as you tried to craft a play with four white protagonists >> the reality is i am working in western theater, which is white culture. so i am translating th contemporary, indigenous experience in --

into white culture and white characters and my ability to coat switc between those things means i a able to also have compassion for folks that are grappling with these issues, well meanin white people, which is who thi play is about and writte forth. i really do believe they care, and i do believe they ar trying, and i do believe the want to do better. but, yet, they are trying so hard that they are making so many more mistakes than they even realize >> i just want to underscore something. thanksgiving play, even prio to its broadway debut, it wa one of the most performed plac in this country. what does that and tell yo about the appetite for content like yours >> when i hear the stuff, we have nowhere else to learn about the contemporary indigenous experience. we don't learn in school, we don't learn it probably in media, but there is an appetit for this work. and it is interesting to me ho it always surprises people, i' like, well, yeah, don't yo want to know about where you are living don't you annoyed about th people that are here instill here and they do, so it is really exciting to have people show u

in that way and want to lear more >> if you liked that conversation with lariss fasthorse, you will love the thanksgiving play, officiall opening april 20th, at the haz theater. you can see the entire conversation on the american voices page on msnbc.com there is more american voice for you after a break, at th top of the hour, do not miss eamonn, he has congressman gre casarez to talk about the maga house majority hitting 100 days how democrats are pushing back against that - 8 pm eastern on msnbc. 8 pm eastern on msnbc. rotein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. uh... here i'll take that. ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein, 1 gram of sugar and nutrients for immune health. ♪ [tap tap] my secret to beating sniff checks? secret dry spray. just spray and stay fresh all day. my turn. secret actually fights odor.

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am alicia menendez thank you so much for spending part of your weekend with us you can find our show on twitter, on instagram, o tiktok, just follow at alici on msnbc i'm gonna see you tomorrow for more american voices, but fo now, i hand it over to a man hi, ayman. >> hi, alicia. i say it is shaping up to be another busy week with thi republican stunt, this is ji jordan's done that is taking place on monday, coming to manhattan and trying t showcase the crime in the city while totally neglecting everything that is happening i tennessee with all the push to get some kind of gun reform in this country past. >> we always talk about how th trump legal strategy is delay, delay, delay, and what we se that republicans have learne from his is distract, distra