the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts right now >> tonight, the battle over to visions for america as abortio and guns takes center stage. flocking to the nra convention while supreme court puts a temporary hold on the abortion ruling and a sitting member o congress defending the suspected leaker of thos classified documents the growing concern over our national security. our friday night cap is here taking up all the majo headlines of the week. there and the b picks and some news on a holiday classic, a the 11th hour gets underwa right now. good evening once, again i a stephanie ruhle. the nation's highest court i stepping in to block a rul lower court from rolling bac access to abortion pills for now.

that restriction was set to go into effect at midnight, i less than one hour late this afternoon, justice samuel alito issued a hold tha keep the drug widely available for just five more days, while the court reviews the case this latest development comes day after florida governor ron desantis quietly signed a la banning most abortions after six weeks. that signing took place in a private ceremony yesterday, an there was no publi announcement until just afte 11 pm last night meanwhile, several republicans with their eyes on 2024 or front and center at th national rifle association convention in indianapolis today. >> i guarantee you that i will continue to stand with the nra >> the second amendment ensure that the american people hav the capacity to defend their lives, fortunes, and sacre honor. >> i will stand with each an every one of you, in protectio of what we all know is commo

sense. >> i am a concealed weapon permit owner myself. my husband is a hunter >> the media would have us believe that the nra is only made up of old white guys. but there are a lot of other people, a lot of diversity within the nra let me tell you something, i may be a mom and a grandmother but i am the nra >> with me at 1600 pennsylvani avenue, no one will lay finger on your fire arms let's be very clear, the issue is not too many guns, the issu is too many thugs, hoodlums, and savage criminals on ou streets. that is the issue. >> former vice president mik pence was also there and h faced a very frosty reception. >> hello and are a >> i love you too. >> the convention taking place as calls for gun safet legislation grow louder in the

wake of those deadly mas shootings in louisville an national with that let's get smarte with the help of our lead of panel. john allen into, you're senior national politics reporter for nbc, he is in indianapolis tonight covering that and ou convention barbara mcquade joins us, veteran federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan and former republica congressman david jolly of florida. now the chairman of serv america movement, and an msnbc political contributor, guys, we've got a lot to cover, barb let's start with a supreme court. their ruling came from non other than justice alito the same justice alito who wrote the dobbs decision tha overturned roe what do you think the courts going to do and what happens next >> justice alito is assigned t the fifth circuit, so he is th circuit justice. this case would be assigned to him regardless of the topic. i think the fact that they did enter this stay is a good sign they could have simply allowed those fifth circuit opinion to go forward, which sort o

upheld the decision of the court to blow that was rolling back the fda's approval of mifepristone so, i think it is a good sig but it is only a temporary stay it gives them a few days t make a decision. stephanie, there are a coupl of decisions about this case that make it really untenabl even for this court to affir the decisions of the cas below. one is the overturning of an fda decision is going to up an the pharmaceutical industry. i do not think that they are that hostile that they're goin to do that the other is that there is n way these plaintiffs hav standing these are doctors who migh someday theoretically have t assist somebody who has take one of these pills and thereby have to assist with an abortion there is just no standing, which means that you have real skin in the game. so, if they take that, then yo open the floodgates to all kinds of plaintiffs lawsuits

which this conservative cour does not want to do. so, it gives me a little bit o optimism that they wil ultimately decide that the fda approval stands and that one judge in texas should not be able to overturn that. >> barb, what about more can kicking? could they issue another temporary hold, and if so, how long could this go on? i mean, if you are, dr. pharmaceutical company, pharmacy, how do you plan give the situation? >> yes, in fact i think kickin the can down the road is likel that we are going to see thi temporary stay really give them a chance to look at the issue and figure out what they want to do next. i think they are going to need more briefing before they make a decision on the merits you're right, in the meantime, there will be a lot of uncertainty about the legality of mifepristone across the whole country. so that creates chaos an uncertainty. the reason that the fda ha this protocol where they approve drugs and people can rely on that

so i think we are going to b in legal limbo for sometim before we get a final decision of the supreme court >> david, you know florida and you know ron desantis. if this six-week ban is no popular, why do it he signed it in private an then quietly, after 11 pm, put the announcement out wildly different and then th public celebration from when h signed the 15-week ban can you explain this >> stephanie, i can. in reward, ron desantis is scared of what he just did he owns, it it is his signature, but he does not want to move t six weeks. but he knows the reaction afte the dobbs decision, and he can read polling so, -- >> then why do it >> because, last year they passed a 15-week man ron desantis is planning to ru for president. one of his competitors for tha nomination has already sai that if florida only has a 15-week ban, it becomes an abortion sanctuary now in republican primar politics, those words sting.

so the politics within the party are moving towards a six -week ban. desantis did not want to, do i but he is the governor he made the decision to sign it but he did it at night he issued a very awkward statement. this is a governor who i unsteady on this issue he is worried, and the biggest tell of all, stephanie, is tha this morning he was at liberty university addressing an arena of christian evangelical christians and did not onc mention his signing a six-week ban. he is terrified of the actions that he took on this issue las night. he knows it could ruin his entire presidentia aspirations. >> but with that audience, tha is music to their ears >> it is i actually think what is going on stephanie is that he does not want to be on tape championing a six-week ban even though he signed it look, he is a politician above all else we do not really assign hi

political skills because he is so awkward, he is not that affable, but he is raw politic all the time so he does not, he checked the box for the evangelica community. he gave them a six-week ban. but he will possibly digitally target that community. he does not want to run fo president on this issue becaus he knows that it is a genera election loser for him >> is there something that people like me, sitting in new york, are missing about ro desantis we are going oh my gosh, thi is so unpopular, he is going t fail because of this he is a really popular governo in florida is this hurting his pollin there in any way >> well, yes the numbers are the numbers. even republicans are outside o the six-week ban your general republican voters not here are highly active highly enthusiastic advocacy boaters. here is the issue around thi entire issue the data shows us a sense dobb is that coming out of dobbs, the nation pivoted to different conversation on this issue. it was no longer are you pro-life or pro-choice, it was do you support the role, framework or not while the data shows us is tha over 70% of the country,

including many republicans support the role framework it is possible to be both pr life and pro roe republicans have missed that entirely let's be, honest the 30 year the pro-life community has bee asking for this. donald trump delivered a court that provided to them, but donald trump does not want t talk about it ron desantis just provide them a six-week, banned becaus it six - this really hurts republican candidates >> okay, josh allen, i'm going to ask you this. rather than cater to the minority for a primary why wouldn't the party simpl encourage a whole lot of other republicans that represent mor consensus thinking just encourage them to go ou and vote >> i think you are going to se some - you saw from christen uno, the governor of new hampshir today. but really you are operating with two different worlds. whether you're talking about the abortion issue or the gu issue.

i watched all of these candidates flock to the nr convention, and promised t expand gun rights to a point o most alum arrogance would like to see them eliminated that is going to continu because the base oregon voters the people shop to the primaries, are going to demand -- on these two big issues. >> so why don't they just ge more people to vote? david, i'm going to share with you what senator tim scott tol our colleague earlier today. >> if our president of the united states, i would literally sign the mos conservative pro-lif legislation that they can ge through congress >> even if it was six weeks? >> i'm not gonna talk about six, five, seven, or ten. i'm guessing one of the most conservative legislation tha can come through congress -- >> he said that today. not 24 hours after delivering complete nonsensical words solid when asked about abortion >> look, you are seeing generation of republicans wh

have come up having to b absolutist on the issue of guns the issue of abortion, and the issue of taxes you are seeing that intens got. he is so uncomfortable i trying to respond to thi question 20 years ago, bush 43 said tha the answer this question is no changing laws in the constitution, it isn't changin hearts and minds that was good enough for the republican party 20 years ago. it is not now. listen, you're going to se every republican presidentia candidate have to take a har lined position whomever comes out of th republican nominating proces will start with the losing han in the general election. if democrats get the messaging right on this and recognize th coalition on this issue, tha it might look and soun different than the politics of abortion in the last 30 years. democrats can ride this issu all the way to next november >> john, there are many, man gun owners in this country responsible gun owners tha want more expanded gun safet rules. is there any appetite for that whatsoever at the nr convention

>> absolutely not stuff me there are certainly members of the nra that would accept or tolerate it, but they ar motivated by what they - you heard ron desantis today i his video message to the nra conference talk about how th second amendment right this is the right on which all other freedoms breast. most of the people are showing up at an nra convention believ that so, if they have any infringement at all on the second amendment, any gu restrictions at all, what they will end up with is less freedom -- >> the rhetoric that you hea voters in the hallways, and th answer is that there is no rea appetite for gun control, or any gun restrictions at the nr conference >> john, take us through the hallways, take us to the audience because we played that cli earlier of south dakot

governor who said that the nra people just say it is a bunc of old white men but it is all about diversity. i'm a mom, a grandmother, that is who we are. but them only panda th audience, they saw what i coul see, and it was just a bunch o old white guys who is actually there? >> it's not entirely old white guys, but it is vastly the old white guys vastly outnumbe everyone else and second are white women. and then you will see people o color dotting the audience she is wrong to suggest that i is not dominated by white me who are at the conference. her moment where she said i am the nra is so instructive of the concept of these candidate in needing to almost transit stand she ate them selves as being part of this institution as having the same dna as th institution in order to prov their loyalty to these ver devoted voters >> i am the nra. and when mike pence got ther to speak today, david he was not met by a friendly audience

at all he was booed what do you have to say abou that >> that is the power of th trump effect on the power part and gun lobby. mike pence is running fo president without constituency but i've biscuit comment o this because having been i republican politics for so long coming up in the kind o gun lobby and indoctrination it has got to be cold out. we have to crush the culture o guns in the country. and that means saying to everybody in that room today who thinks that it is thei right to own a gun, i have mor of a right to drop my kids a the school house door withou being shot anytime that you want to tel me that you have a right t your, guns guess what i have a right to protect the lives o my kids, and that mean crushing the gun culture tha every one of those republica presidential nominees ar candidates are pledging to back and everybody in that roo is applauding, for except when it is mike pence

>> john, tell us what happened when pence got onstage, what was it like? >> it was interesting ther were lots of boos for mike pence. as david was just saying you can see the trump effect at the same time there was jus a fair amount of applause, i was just not as aggressive a the booing, nobody else go booed. the only other blue i coul remember from the night was th mention of joe biden and then sped pence spoke an got applause lines and then when he left the stag he was booed again there was some applause again, and there were some people yelling traitor and othe things at him. so certainly he was the most controversial figure to spea today. >> barbara, you spent many man years as a part of federal law enforcement. i know that your fall merc calling on speak as one body but based on your experience former colleagues that you speak to, what do you thin they want to see done? are they frustrated at the current situation. >> absolutely, stephanie

rampant gun abundance on the streets is a public safety issue. we have had mass shooting afte mass shooting this year. police officers approached car with such fear of being shot themselves by motorist wit guns i think one of the driving forces behind all of the polic brutality incidents is the fea police officers have, that everybody they face is armed certainly the second amendment needs something, and gun right need to be protected in some way. but the idea of arming our citizens with assault weapons, weapons designed to kill peopl on the battlefield, is just so far twisted from what was mean by the second amendment. i think law enforcemen officials would be very happ to see a common sense reform that takes guns out of the hands of people with menta illness, it takes assaul weapons out of the hands of al civilians. >> all right then. thank you so much barbar mcquade, john allen, and david jolly. when we come back, a unite

states congresswoman i defending the suspected leaker of those classified documents. plus, how vulnerable are america's secrets? amy mcgrath is here to give us the answer, some may b chilling later, get ready for a drink our friday night cap on all th big news of the week from what is going down in florida t eroding trust in our mos important institutions the 11th hour is just gettin underway on a friday night

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leader, mitch mcconnell. amy, this story is extraordinary on so many levels i want to start with you reaction to a sitting member o congress descending this suspect who is accused o leaking classified documents about a host of really sensitive stuff. >> yeah, unfortunately i should not surprise us when the gop took over the house in december or january we are all talking about wha or are they gonna get done nothing legislatively. they were going to have thes frivolous hearings but the concern i had was concern of national security marjorie taylor greene is no just defending a person here she was actually defending a act of treason and when speaker mccarthy pu her on the almelund security committee, a committee tha oversees our national security and many cases, that was a sla in the face to everybody tha works in the national security field. she regularly parrots kremli talking points, she should absolutely not be in any

business shun of trust and confidence for the unite states in terms of nationa security that has been my concern fro the very beginning, to see her defend this individual, or mor clearly, defend it and an ac of treason, it is just terrible >> what do you think i motivating her a congress person defending an act of treason why would she do that? >> you know, i think this is part of the crazy right wing agenda they are literally parroting talking points from th kremlin. it get their base riled up this is sort of their lane the unfortunate thing abou this is that the speaker of th house is, in some way, beholde to these right wing members of his own caucus for his speakership. so he is so weak that he doe not have the power to really rein them in that is a concern, in my opinion, for our nationa security >> former congresswoman li cheney wants marjorie taylor greene's security clearanc

pulled is that even possible, how would it work, and i'm guessin that got agree >> well i absolutely agree if it could be pulled, the problem is that she is a membe of congress and that is different branch of government it does not really work that way. members of congress, when they asked for information, particularly when they are put on important committees like our services committee, or the homeland security committee, and they asked the executive branch for information the exhibit executive branch i supposed to give it to them. my hope is that the executiv branch and those members in th

intelligence community, ar pretty smart about what they allow this member of congres to see because, you know she clearl cannot be trusted. >> right now, all she is i noise. i want to talk about the impac of these documents circulating around in a public forum we are reporting that they wer out there online for weeks before anybody was found out and before this was realized should this be a big concern for us it seems like one to me. >> it's absolutely a concern i think what this brings u back to is, it is all abou people this is why making sure that w have good people in places lik the military, with access to this information 20 years ago when i went through my security clearanc for top secret or specia compartmentalized. there is interviews that the

government does. and they look at, are yo somebody who is in a lot o debt are you going to potentially sell secrets to erase your debt? are you somebody who has a lot of foreign contacts, or mayb you have a relationship with somebody that has a contac with a foreign country who you could compromise information that way that was 20 years ago. i think now, one of the bigges threats that we have is th extremist threat within our ow ranks, within the intelligence community, or the military itself and we have to look at that. our government is going to hav to look at some of the thing that people with access to classified information t online, on their off time. because this is exhibit a fo extremism in the military righ now. we do not know what this individual, why he did what he did. we do not know if it is becaus he went online and wanted to impress his friends. but we do know, and it appears

it least, that he has been o right-wing chat groups that he has made some racist and antisemitic comments if you go back a couple of months ago, we had two activ duty rhea marines arrested for their role in january 6th. the problem with that is tha they were intelligence marines with access to this type o information. that is what we saw this week. >> amy, you are delivering serious nightmares for us on this friday night, but w appreciate you bringing us the truth every time you are here. it's good to see you >> all right >> when we come back, how do you look at the calendar it is friday night you know what that means our nightcap is here to break down all the leaks major storie from clarence thomas to th abortion ban in florida. we might even get in a littl bit of john denver, when the

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the original purple state. ten years ago it would b unthinkable that florida would have some of the strictest rules on abortion and looses rules on guns, and that al happened in the last two weeks people keep saying, man, i republicans keep at it they ar going to shoot themselves in the foot but the thing is, it is th american people that are tha foot and we are the ones tha can suffer from having a lot o rights taken away. so mara, i turn to you first we keep saying republicans are going to lose in the nex election if they keep doin this but what if they don't ron desantis is really popular florida >> one of the things that's interesting about the republican party right now and concerning is that they're not only focused on winnin elections but on gerrymanderin and anti-democratic tools to maintain power what we're seeing in state like florida are these republican super majorities wh have been result of years of gerrymandering, and other anti democratic behavior.

and so, this is unfortunatel not surprising but, this is not onl reflective of the republican party becoming more extreme, but actually, of a democracy problem. so we have some major threat to democracy and i think tha when you think about gun control, which is something th american people overwhelmingly support, reasonable measures and they of course also suppor a woman's right to choose just by the dobbs decision. that is why you see discrepancy between common public sentiment and these really extreme, punishing laws that we are seeing on agains women in states like florida >> i spent a lot of time i florida over last three years. one of the things abou desantis is that, the reason they like him in florida, is because he is actually confident he is a competen governor most of the time an so he can get away with this you can do it without an uprising in florida becaus

they are still thinking, oh, i could eat in a restauran during the pandemic. we were not locked down and we did okay >> does it not blow bother forward out the amount o deaths they had? they're just cool? when you talk to people ther they were like we were great during covid, but it was not a nirvana there. >> it was not a nirvan anywhere if you just for age, californi in florida have the exact same rate of death. >> there's more to this becaus the kind of politics tha they're doing in florida, it's not just that they're building this out of nowhere, it's very popular not just in florida bu all over the country there are a lot of conservatives who get really fired up by the stuff all over desantis has jumped on every single culture war issue and made a lot about it or executive action about it. which could be really a ba idea, it could be very

embarrassing but he is feeling that interne conservatism, and it is really effective way of doin politics right now i do not know what it mean in the long term, -- >> explain this to me. >> florida is a state that actually likes what they are seeing a lot of people there. do >> explain this to me. you are a parent, and you ar going to equate your anger against a transgender bathroom that is more important you the guns in your school? >> well where this is all bein messaged is about things lik parents brett. i'm a parent, i want the schoo to be the way i wanted to be when it comes to guns, florida is the south of north carolina people often forget that north carolina is also the south this is a place where people like to have lose gun laws these days so i am just saying that, whil i understand the idea that florida at one time was a very purple place, what i am seeing right now is the purest exampl of what is happening in th republican party what their voters want, an what kind of politics and wins over those voters, and that is

what we are seeing catch fir all over the place republicans are in control >> i think desantis is completely overrated i'm not buying any of this the fact is that i love joe -- but i don't know what competen means. the fact that he said th stupid is saying what an governor has said about ukrain and about what is actually going on there he is built an administratio based totally on wedge issue and hatred, and trump is eatin his lunch. he's racing to the bottom an losing it. i think the whole thing is the biggest fairytale i've eve seen, growth in florida is largely in the blue areas, i is a diverse state and he wo by a whisker originally. it got reelected, but nobody spent any money in florida the fact is we were contesting house races. we didn't have a heavily contested senate race. and charlie crist, god bless and was not the stronges candidate at the end so, i do not think the guy ever taken a punch, frankly, and i think that trump is show

that he can take a punch prett easily >> desantis and his legislator took on disney, one of the biggest employers, one of th biggest icons of the state >> and bob iger punked them. >> uygur is going to bring him down >> that's what i don't understand, from an economic point of view, if you ar trying to build a business, ho can we recruit route workers who could live in new york o else live florida when the guns are everywhere there are culture war issues >> here's how, you messing one thing in florida taxes. that's how >> with january the weather' pretty good. >> are now if i even buy that. or the nice things about being rich, so i am told, or b wealthy so i'm told, is that i gives you the freedom to d more of what you want. >> i'm going to tell you something about rich people. they do not like to pay taxes. it's how they stay rich >> where our business isn't all this it was not that long ago i north carolina where the

wanted to pass the bathroo bill the nba said that we're taking the all-star game out of here. movie studios said that we could make or moves elsewhere, and businesses set we ar picking up stakes. >> desantis has -- shown other republican governors and politicians that you can force business to back off. so all of the stuff that business was doing prior to th disney dust up they have stopped. it is absolutely stopped you do not see apple doing, it you don't see starbucks doing, it you do not see microsof doing it the progressive companies ar just not out there anymore >> is it fair to call them progressive companies, or ar those companies that are jus reflective of today's workforc and customer base? >> if you are reflective o your workers and customer base then what are you? you or something >> your company trying t operate and sell the mos product. but is it fair to say that a

company is a progressive company? >> you obviously on something, here it is one of the bigges changes in politics that has happened you think back to thos bathroom bills in nort carolina the nba all-star game is going to go, everybody freaks out, they change what they're going to, do companies are not actin like that now. that pressure from customers it is not changing polic weight was before. and you are seeing these kinds of attacks on esg, the rubbl guns are talking about really creating a lot of traction being very animating the base. that's what we're talking abou before with a sense of busy. you are seeing republicans and governors take on businesses and they characterize it as very populist move it's more of a cultural move but they characterize it as populist move and it seems t kind of work and that is a big, big chang in politics right. now on the abortion decision went down we did not see companies fleeing from the states that ban abortion in fact, a lot of them are

building factories down ther and adding jobs to those places that is a very big change abou how the stuff has worked before >> if you make the nex election in swing district about abortion and guns, you are going to get your cloc cleaned. and so yeah, maybe it is goo primary politics, but just thi week florida passed a six-week abortion ban - >> they signed it in the dar of night they sent the press releas about at 11 pm >> and the gun bill. sure, you can -- but the ones that have muc more residents are the availability of emergenc contraception, women's rights, and on gun violence, which i think is intensifying as a issue. look, we just won a national election in large part by leaning into those issues i do not think that is going t change at all. in fact, i think it's going to accelerate it. i would've said that if they can nominate anybody but donal trump, they would have a highl competitive race but if they are going to kee going down this road on -- i think anybody carrying tha banners glendive trouble >> one issue, or one

topic, i guess that is bipartisan, sadly, is ou nations lack of trust in our institutions we see it every week this week it is a suprem court. these revelations of justice clarence thomas, the connections he had to a mega wealthy donor. every day there are more thing coming out and this realization for u that the supreme court does no really have any ethics rules with any disease so, what do we do about th fact that whether it is in congress a trading stocks or the supreme court having littl to no rules, there are all sorts of unethical but illegal things the supreme court, what we d about that because almost no one readin this clarence thomas stuff feels great about it >> i don't think clarenc thomas should've been there in the first place. i think -- should stop him. but, look, john roberts need to lead on this. the justices comment i inexcusable. it will get you bounced out of congress or the senate on an ethics charge. >> but if it is not illegal, he's not going anywhere. >> he did violate the law, i

appears, with failing to disclose this. and it looks like th billionaire was just movin money to him basically putting money in his pocket by buying's mom says, taking - doing improvements on th house. i mean, my god, and to fail to disclose it is egregious and so john roberts should ste up there should be a code o conduct for the congresses congress could play a role b threatening to impeach him and by launching an investigatio either in the hill or throug the justice department it is unacceptable what justic -- >> what do you think >> i agree, but i also think i is disturbing. because every day, every month every year that goes by withou any accountability, what kin of message does that send to the american public? >> and just to women who are thinking about the dobbs decision what kind of validity does tha court have for everyda americans. i do not know, it is hard to ask americans to have trust or faith in a system that is no fair

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with us. this week there were a lot o stories and people who reall stood out. so, let's get our mvps of th week joe, yours first >> okay, my mvps or thre reporters. justin elliott, joshua kapla and alex majeski majurski -- the three journalist fro propublica who broke the clarence thomas harlan cro story, and continue to stay on it with another one, which i believe came out today, abou harlan crow actually buyin property owned by clarence thomas, which -- i never having it reported which is unbelievable. >> it is extraordinary reporting. and i'm dying to know wh leaked this. because it has to be someone very close to clarence thomas, who's basically saying, enough is enough. >> i don't know. it's very such a cool thing to hear you say this, because i work with justin years ago we started at the same place >> and you are about to -- say. >> no, he's amazing. who is amazing, then he' amazing.

now -- one of the biggest pieces of journalism done in the past fe years. >> - some of the best journalism -- the kind of ability of journalism - one of the most nine powerfu people in america. and this was going on in plain sight and so it takes a really talented journalist to take closer look and really dig in. >> extraordinary okay, who is yours >> mine is also a person tha would say they were journalist - newsmax's mike carter. he was on the campaign trail with - >> newsmax, like the super right-wing - i don't know this guy. >> - with exploratory committee having senator tim scott, from south carolina, who is now running for president -- talking about running fo president. and he, i think, showed how it is done, how to cover this primary and actually interview a politician on a tough issue. >> when you interviewed ti scott and tim scott served u the world's most extraordinary word salad >> right and everyone talked about th

answer tim scott gave, which is, of course, indicative of how tough this abortion issue is for republicans now that it' no longer the law of the land, and we have to talk about what they are actually going to d about abortion and how they're going to limited or banned i if you want to >> 468 words by saying nothing when, in fact, republicans are getting what they want wit restrictive abortion bills, if they don't seem to want to run a victory lap. unless you are mike pence -- >> that's right, he's talkin about janet yellen, for some reason it's a classic sort of kno better on the campaign trail but it was prompted by the ver simple question, where mik carter said to tim scott, do you think there should be federal ban on abortion? and then this whol short-circuit trip happens and it just shows that sometimes, our job as reporters, if you just ask the direct question and sit back and le the answer come at us. i thought it was a very, ver good job that he did >> i love that >> i do too. i agree with you there's all kinds of journalists and all kinds of journalism but every time maggie haberman did what you just said, whic is ask the right question, and

listen to what trump says, and write it down, she would get flamed on twitter as a - you know, as a stenographer. >> - which always drove me out of m mind >> all right, mara, who is yours? >> i was very moved by the story of the ukrainian mothers who rescued their children who had been kidnapped by th russian state, take it acros the border, which is a war crime and it has a happy endin in this particular case. it's a horrifying story. but it made you want to chee because it was one of thos moments where you are reminded that every day people, when band together, can have more power than dictators >> no money, no resources on their own -- went through multiple countrie to get to the children and i some cases their kids did no think their mothers were eve going to come for them >> it's powerful >> congressman, how about yours? >> as the only non journalis at the table, i feel like -- >> guess what, you can have future as a journalist it's not over. -- >> i also want to agree with you, if you just let us talk we will say stupid stuff you don't have to -- the question, trust me >> [laughter >> just get out of the way my mvp of the week's patrick

blew it bluett, who in 1848, but all the bluett's seven siblings and his dad - that joe biden's great great great grandfather. and i'm so delighted by th presidents visit to ireland, a an irish american. i have to tell you, the stor of the irish coming to america and the way joe biden speaks about the middle class - when you weave those two thing together, i tell you what, i gets me every time and it's also political magic. and there's nobody who does it better and i think the images fro ireland this week remind us of all that is good and great about the irish in america - >> i really like that mvp. all right, we are not going to go without his final speed around because this week, if you were unaware, 25 songs were added t the library of congress' national recording registry. now, 20 songs. i'm going to name just three - and each one of you, you can pick one of the same ones -- you've got to kick one of th songs out. because chances are if it's really popular song, it's supe annoying to at least one of. here are your choices -- "take me home, country roads", by the legendary john denver "all i want for christmas is you", by the legendary maria carey.

and "margaritaville" by jimmy buffett we've got to kick one out. joe nocera, i turn to you. >> the john denver song is one of the worst songs ever. ever, ever, ever, ever >> [laughter >> why do you hate america >> it's almost as bad as "american pie", which is the worst song ever. >> i have strong feelings abou this >> do you think it's just to long >> it just a terrible song >> it is absolutely not -- >> my answer i "margaritaville", whic honestly should have -

>> annoying -- >> no disrespect to jimm buffett but -- i think we have all heard ou lifetime limit >> i don't know if it's funny. it's got a good story. i like "margaritaville". i've been to a margaritavill and i enjoyed myself >> - >> - >> you are in luck, because no they have a margaritaville senior citizen communities you could one day live in margaritaville >> - by the way >> searching for my lost shake of salt all the time >> what some are you thinkin about? >> - these other two songs are very good i guess i would have to go wit joe on this list but i think this is a pretty good playlist you put together overall. you can't overdo it with maria carey "all i want for christma is you". that's on mount rushmore >> it's how you know tha christmas begins -- john denver is good. >> sorry, jimmy buffett.

>> okay, i'm going to make thi last song once on added to the list this year that i just don' understand, imagine, by john lennon and here's why don't i don't get. it the libra of congress has been adding -- names every year since 2002, m question, "imagine" by joh lennon why in the world did it take this long? but the good news -- it is finally here mara gay, sean patrick maloney evan mcmorris-santoro and jo nocera - no friend of john denver thank you for being here and on that note, i wish you all a fantastic weekend. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late i will see you at the end of monday night

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