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minutes. there's a 12:00 press conference scheduled. as far as the airport, that reopened at 9:00 this morning. the first flights were 10:00 around florida and an 11:00 flight to chicago. hopefully, folks are getting to their destinations there was a standstill for 36 hours as people were adjusting to historic levels of flooding >> sam brock in fort lauderdale, thank you very much. that wraps up the hour for me. i will see you tomorrow night on "nbc nightly news" saturday. reach me on twitter and insta g instagram. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," 21-year-old air national guardsman jack
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teixeira accused of disseminating classified documents. the pentagon and intelligence community in daniel mage control how can this happen again ten years after edward snowden the justice department filed an appeal to the supreme court to block a federal appeals court ruling that limits access to an fda approved abortion pill will the court act before the ruling goes into affect? and grant a stay until it can decide the case. i will be joined by pete buttigieg on some of the big headlines this week and the biden administration's $300 million investment in repairing bridges from san diego to albany ♪ good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington the 21-year-old national guardsman charged under two sections of the espionage act for that massive leak of classified documents making his first appearance in a boston federal court.
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with three family members sitting behind him, jack teixeira was read charges that carry a term of ten years in prison and three years supervised release along with fines. he will be held in detention until a scheduled hearing next wednesday. joining me now, ken dilanian and chris cont kristin welker ken, you read through the unsealed affidavit what can you tell us about this? how does this happen ten years after edward snowden >> that's the question this affidavit doesn't really answer it. it does suggest that the fbi was neck and neck with the news media in terms of identifying and then arresting jack teixeira they only confirmed his identity with a witness through a photo i.d. yesterday some pretty da ramatic and rapi turnaround we are learning more and more
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about what his friends and associates say his motives were and what they were not he was not a whistle-blower. he was not trying to turn this material over to a foreign power. really, he seemed like he was trying to impress friends in a chat room. listen to what one told "the washington post" >> he was not hostile to the u.s. government. he disagreed with waco and ruby ridge and thought that the government is overreaching in several aspects. there was no heavy snowden-like conspiracy here, like some people believe >> he is not charged with trying to injure the united states. he is charged with unlawfully disseminating national defense information. the penalty for each count of that is up to ten years in prison >> we heard the president yesterday saying he wasn't concerned about the leak or what was leaked, because he thinks it's contained, even with the suggestion but he is concerned it happened.
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what are they going to do about it >> reporter: there's no doubt. there's a lot of pressure on the biden administration to get to bottom of what happened. the fbi is investigating the pentagon is investigating. democrats and republicans on capitol hill, the house intelligence committee saying they are going to launch an investigation. they are asking for a number of briefings to try to figure out how a 21-year-old gained access to the nation's most sensitive secrets. we know he was in i.t. he may have had access to a computer system that contained some of these documents. it's problematic, including for allies we know they have been trying to reassure allies. including poland they tried to reassure them. he has confidence in u.s. in intel intelligence >> whether they will share intelligence we have an interview with jim himes who has concerns about that the ranking democrat on house intelligence we talked to mike turner
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yesterday. they will have oversight hearings >> reporter: there's no doubt about that i think you are right, there's -- what is being said and what is being unsaid the concern, what are the implications for the war in ukraine right now? this is a critical moment. they are entering the spring offensive. some of the documents suggest that u.s. officials have expressed concerns about ukraine's readiness heading into this next phase. that's a concern concerns that this war could stretch well into next year, if not longer i think those are among the top things that will be addressed, those hearings that you talked about, very forceful about this, talked about the fact that lives could have been at risk. those are among the questions they will ask, including, will allies still share information >> to ken, i want to mention the reason that you are over at the justice department they are announcing charges against more than two dozen drug cartel members, which is really an important step in the war on drugs. hasn't had very much of
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attention. fentanyl is such a crisis in the u.s. >> that's right, andrea. the dea administrator got up to the podium and said point blank that fentanyl is the greatest threat to americans. greater than terrorism greater than disease greater than any public health threat americans are dying in large numbers of overdoses today the justice department said they struck a big blow against a cartel which is a major trafficker of fentanyl treasury and state department taking action against chinese companies that provide precursors there are some of the people who have been charged have not been captured there's a large reward some up to $10 million on their head what was striking about this press conference was you had the attorney general of the united states and other officials talking about the torture that some of the drug traffickers have used against their victims. listen to merrick garland. >> it's described in the indictment that the security forces attack law enforcement,
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intimidate civilians, destroy unsupportive businesses and capture contested territory. they often torture and kill their victims. they have fed some of their victims dead and alive to tigers belonging to the cartel. >> the president of mexico said recently that fentanyl is not produced in his country. i asked the attorney general about those comments and how much mexico is cooperating he didn't really answer directly he did say there was a productive meeting yesterday between u.s. and mexican officials. at least some officials in mexico are serious about tackling this problem. >> ken dilanian and kristin welker, thanks to both of you. we will watch you today, kristin, on "weekend today." to the classified documents that were leaked joining me now is one of the journalists who revealed the identity of the alleged leaker
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a "new york times" contributor who has had a byline on all of the big stories of the week. you worked with seven colleagues on this story. this was huge. revealing his identity to the nation how did you initially discover his identity within this chat room that he oversaw >> we found him basically through his account on his platform, which is popular among people who play games. he had common friends. they were also on the same server where these leaked documents were posted. through triangulation, we came across a profile for one guy who turned out to be jack teixeira following leads, some digital breadcrumbs, we were led to more information about him, photos of him in his air national guard
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outfit and realizing he worked for the intelligence wing in the base on cape cod a strong candidate to be the leaker >> how far reaching was his access to classified information in recent years? >> seemed to be pretty song. i have seen information come out today, the fbi released information about his arrest and their intelligence gathering about it he was part of -- maybe not him in particular, but he had access to documents that were used -- daily reports for higher ranking officials as part of the 102nd wing of the air national guard >> when did he start disseminating photo s? how did they get outside of the smaller circle one member of the group told you he didn't think it was going to get out. somebody put it out there once the photos were posted >> yeah. the earliest date is october it may have been before that as
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well he started posting photos a little later when he first started putting out these leaks to this small group, about 20 or so friends, he was typing them by hand he got a little annoyed that people weren't -- they were teenagers and didn't have the patience to read through the text he started taking photos they have graphics and that. it's easier to digest, especially if you are younger. october, maybe earlier there were hundreds of documents he put into this small channel on discord, the platform where they were -- they did voice chat and plays games. >> at some point one of the members put it out there that's how it got on the broader internet >> yeah. one of the members of this group put this on a larger discord server discord servers can be private it's like a -- imagine a group
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chat then he put it on a larger channel with thousands of members. that's how it matriculated and trickled down. >> talk to me about him, about teixeira as he was described to you, his characteristics he was described at charismatic. what was the affinity group like >> i don't know much about his personality. we do have some of his friends from the server. he was 21. he comes from a military family. i think that he has relatives who served in the same group at the cape cod base. he seemed like he had a strong interest in guns gaming, he wasn't too much different than other 21-year-old kids
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owe he played call of duty and games like that. according to some of his friends, a bit on the, let's say, far right racist side i don't think that influences his decision to post these files. he didn't have a goal in sharing these files. it was incidental that he happened to be unsavory with some of his views. as far as i can tell from testimony of his friends, he posted these as gossip most people's hot gossip is so and so -- i saw so and so's girlfriend at the bar, that stuff. his gossip was signals intelligence from china and israel and ukraine and so on >> was he a loner? >> he had friends on discord >> were they guys -- was he tries to show off? >> yeah. >> was he trying to show off to the younger guys, especially the
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t teenagers? >> i think that's the motivation think about it in a few different ways he is trying to show off to buddies, teenage/young men not just in america. they were all over i have this forbidden fruit, this secret knowledge. most people, when you hear hot gossip about friends or someone you know, it's like -- it's burning inside you want to tell someone everyone had that happen to them his hot gossip was classified documents. he wanted to share them, flex you could say. he was showing off what he knew and shared with his small world. he never thought this would get outside his small discussion group. >> he was not a whistle-blower >> his friends don't think so. if he was a whistle-blower, he would have posted this somewhere larger he would have shared it with some sort of media outlet that could publish them and write about them there's very valuable insights you can learn from these documents.
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a lot of the information probably the world didn't know tactical information about the war and so on. there have been valuable insights from these documents. a lot i'm glad are out there we though about them he wasn't sharing these for people to know about he was sharing for teenagers to be impressed by how much he knew and what he had access to through his job. >> it's extraordinary. from the affidavit we know that the fbi didn't get on to him until just days -- a day or so before you were publishing maybe as you were publishing >> a little before, yeah from my update, it seemed like they had a good idea we published yesterday they knew a few days ago they were probably waiting longer to arrest him before we published. >> thank you very much appreciate it. >> sure. more ahead with house intelligence ranking member congressman jim himes. investing in america with a
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let's roll, daddio! let's boogie-woogie! veterans and others are asking how can an enlisted national guardsman have had such access to top secrets? joining me now is transportation secretary pete buttigieg, a former navy intelligence officer, also, of course, former mayor and presidential candidate. mr. secretary, welcome i am going to ask you about the nation's critical infrastructure first, as a former intelligence officer, how did this happen >> obviously, i can't speak much to the documents or the law enforcement process that's underway there are so many people, certainly people like me who have served in the military, had to deal with these documents, who are remembering just how
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very, very seriously they were taken, just as they are now, in the work that we do in the department i know that this is being treated with the appropriate seriousness, because it's not a small thing. from day one, when you are in the military or any position where you are entrusted with these documents, it's made clear how important it is to handle them responsibly a lot of questions being asked right now. >> someone in charge of transportation and infrastructure, you deal with classified documents as well, as a cabinet secretary. let's turn to keeping our infrastructure safe. it's on the voters' minds. we are talking about $300 million to repair and replace more than a dozen bridges. you and the vice president were touting projects this week is it breaking through all of the other focus on the former president, we won't name, and
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all the legal problems and c contr controversy? >> i think so. there's a lot of excitement. the vice president and several other members of the administration have been fanning out. this is week three of our invest in america tour. delivering more good news. the look in the eyes of community leaders when we say, yes, this bridge that you have known about for years is going to be fixed. this road you have been trying to get adjusted for a long time, this airport that needed to be dealt with, we are getting you funding. it's a huge deal admittedly, when we have good news, often the people from either side of the aisle could agree is a good thing, it doesn't always get the same attention as the hot controversy or the bad news of the day that's one of the reasons why we are making sure that americans are seeing the impact of what we have done through our travel this latest round of announcements -- this is the freshest out of the president's bipartisan infrastructure law. this is about $295 million going to improve bridges in nine areas
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across the country this is going to make a difference in everyday life, especially if you live near one of the bridges that has had to be closed or had a limit put on the load that can go over it, which can affect everything from school buses to ambulances yesterday as we made the announcement that the bridge i was at in a rural area in upstate new york, we heard from a businessowner who has a bottling operation that the bridge was in such rough shape that it would be closed for repair and they would have to change the way that their trucks moved. that cost money and time and for that matter meant more idling, more missions going into the air. it's a win, win, win, when we make these improvements. that's why we push so hard to get this law >> i want to ask you about rail derailments. "the washington post" reports the faa referred 250 -- well, this is the airports unruly passenger cases
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we have seen more incidents recently let's talk about the flights what are the chances of a national no fly list for these up unruly passengers? >> this is part of 250 since two years ago when we announced a closer partnership with the department of justice with the fbi to hold people accountable i think that's a big part of the reason why we have seen an 80% drop in the rate of these unruly passenger incidents since they peaked even one is too many the message is loud and clear to treat flight crews and your fellow passengers with respect there will be serious legal consequences, sometimes prosecution, if you don't do that there are other mesh tasures th are being talked about many airlines have a no flight list more needs to be done in terms
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of coordinating that across airlines >> let me ask you about the rail derailments. you will testify about that next week >> yeah. this continues to be an extremely important issue. it's one of the reasons why we are pushing so hard for the bipartisan railway safety act that's moving along in the senate i have seen a lot of attention rightly so on the issue of rail accidents and derailments. what happened to the people of east palestine, ohio, who had their lives upended helped open eyes to the fact that i don't think most americans realized how often this has happened over the years and the decades. there is some kind of derailment literally every day. we don't view that as acceptable it's time to get tougher on the railroad companies we did that from day one in this administration, stepping up safety audits that had been slowed down under the last administration, moving forward on rules like requiring there be
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at least two people -- this sounds like the most basic thing, but we had to push hard to make sure we can get toward a rule that says you have to have at least two people on a train there can be two, three or miles long this legislation advancing could make a difference. we have heard from some 12senate republicans saying we shouldn't be so hard on the railroad companies. we shouldn't leap to conclusions. i can tell you right now, there are steps we know would make a difference from tough every accoun -- tougher accountability, notifying materials when emergency materials are headed through. that's reflected in the bill these are some of the things that i was calling for earlier this year. really think there needs to be continued effort and continued pressure to get this done. otherwise, you will see what we have seen too many times in the past, which is the freight rail industry corporations lobby stalling or watering down these provisions
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the result is, it's that much harder to prevent these accidents and derailments in the future >> thank you very much we saw the pictures of you and your family, the cute twins and your husband it was wonderful to see your happy family and the other side of pete buttigieg. >> thanks. it was a great day fun for the kids and fun for all of us. >> you lifted our day. thank you. the high stakes show down hours before the abortion pill is thrown into chaos what it means for access across america, next on "andrea mitchell reports." can get every. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by my healthcare provider, every other month. it's one less thing to think about while traveling. hiv pills aren't on my mind. a quick change in my plans is no big deal. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking certain medicines,
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comcast business. powering possibilities™. breaking news from here in washington the justice department and the abortion pill manufacturer have now both appealed to the supreme court to temporarily block and then eventually, of course, they want to overturn the texas ruling that invalidated the
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fda's approval of a key abortion truck an pill welcome all. laura, you are going through all this, the supreme court's filing as well. let's break it down. what happened today? is it the immediate stay that they want before the supreme court takes the case, hears it and eventually rules >> yes all eyes on the supreme court. they could act at any time now that this case lives at the supreme court with those justice department filings and also from the pill manufacturer. what they want is essentially the supreme court to press pause on everything, put a stay in order to allow the case to be heard, allow the justices to get full briefing. they are asking for what's known as an administrative stay, which would just maintain the status quo. the justices don't have to do
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that they don't have to do anything at all if they ignore this request from justice department and the pill manufacturer, then at the stroke of midnight central time, the part of the judge's order from last week that will go into affect has to do with a number of chains thchanges the fda madt made the drug easier to get. you will see that part of the order go into affect what that means in a practical sense is a little bit murky. the reason it's murky is in part because you have a different federal court in washington state, same authority, but it's a different order. in that order it tells the fda to maintain the status quo the fda and the biden administration is saying, how can we maintain the status quo given what washington is saying while at the same time we have another order in texas telling us to go back to 2000. because of that conflict, the justice department is pleading for the supreme court to get involved >> laura, let me follow up
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the supreme court might want to duck this entirely potentially with these two conflicting orders, don't they have to do something in the next 24 hours >> it's entirely up to those justices to decide what they want to do we have seen them do nothing before in the case of a highly restrictive abortion bill in texas. we remember that in that case, they did nothing by doing nothing, they are doing something. by doing nothing, they let part of the judge's order go through. essentially, then all eyes will be on the biden administration to say to the world, how are going to enforce these two order snz aor orders it's something the justice department and the pill manufacturer are trying to highlight, pleading for the supreme court to do something. >> joyce, florida's governor ron
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desantis privately -- and i mean privately signed a law that would ban most abortions after six weeks. he was tweeting this in the dead of night, or after 11:00 eastern. does this take affect right away this is six weeks, it's basically a heartbeat law. >> it will take a while for it to go into affect, because there's some ongoing litigation in florida's courts over an earlier 15 week ban. that likely has to be resolved then what i think you are correct to call essentially a ban on abortion, a fetal heartbeat bill will take affect. florida is one of the last states, perhaps the last place in the deep south, where legal abortion is readily available. that means for instance that people in states like alabama and mississippi will have to look elsewhere, too. it strains burdened resources in this region of the country >> victoria, kamala harris was speaking in new york at the
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national action network convention about abortion. she's been so outspoken about it let's watch. >> just yesterday in florida, extremists there signed a six week ban before most women even know they are pregnant >> victoria, this is a major political issue. republicans are not shying away from it. but look at what's happened in kansas, wisconsin and elsewhere. the voters are certainly indicating where they stand on this 64% in the latest poll that we saw want some or rather most access, not restricted to abortion >> andrandrea, in one word it's overreach. what we are seeing is one extreme segment of the republican party pushing forward this agenda. what's happening here is contagious
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we started seeing this in texas a number of years ago. close to a decade ago, thinking back to wendy davis. state by state, we have seen this happen. this, in addition to the dobbs decision i think that this is really going to emerge as a major, major issue in the presidential election, regardless of whether the supreme court comes in and puts a stay on this latest ruling it has gotten to a point where women don't have a lot of options anymore. i want to underscore joyce's point about the south is pretty much now blocked out of abortion access florida was that one last place that women could go. this takes it to another level of severity. >> susan, the white house is calling the six week abortion ban extreme and dangerous. they put out a statement saying it flies in the face of fundamental freedoms and is out of step with the views of the
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vast majority of the people of florida. and of all the united states there's another issue, of course, in this particular showdown, which is the fda's regulatory authority as a scientific body being overruled by judges. talk to us about the politics of this there's a reason why ron desantis did this in the dead of night, isn't there >> you know, the republicans are getting what their base wants when it comes to restricting abortion, but it's a huge political risk for them. we know a majority of americans, more than seven in ten americans oppose efforts to restrict access to the abortion drug, to medication abortion, which is how most abortions are performed in this country. it's a risk. it helps democrats you see nancy mace, who is a conservative republican,
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thwarting in recent days that americans are out of step with americans and it will have election consequences. >> laura, joyce, victoria, susan, thanks to all of you. demanding answers. how did someone so young have access to so much? i will talk to the leading democrat on the house democrat on the house intelligence committee about time for downy mcbride to go to jack teixeira. - whoo - smells great, downy! ugh, cul-de-sacs. downy unstopables. you gotta sniff it to believe it. have heart failure with unresolved symptoms? it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome... shortness of breath...
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house intelligence committee chairman mike turner told us there will be hears to det determine -- the spring pollen here is amazing. to determine how the latest leak of classified intelligence documents could happen to learn what future safeguards
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the biden administration is going to put in place. earlier today, i spoke to the top democrat on the committee to discuss what lawmakers want to know congressman, thank you for joining us today >> thanks for having me. >> the first question is, how does a 21-year-old enlisted man in the massachusetts air national guard get access to top secret intelligence about ukraine and russia, china, israel, other key allies >> that is the question amongst others that's something that will be the subject of intense congressional oversight which is what i do. you understand the tension here. intelligence is valuable inasmuch as it is shared we learned that on 9/11. here is an instance -- we will let the facts out. but this is an instant in which it is almost inconceivable that this particular individual had access to the information, b, that the individual was able to print this stuff out and take it
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away and photograph it and then finally in a world of advanced technology, that apparently this could live on the internet in chat rooms and be viewed by people possibly for weeks or months before the department of defense became aware of it being in the wild in the first week of april. >> how does this happen? after all the steps that were supposed to be taken during the ten years since edward snowden >> well, you know, that is precisely the question it's too early, without the facts in front of us, to know. but this is obviously a problem that needs to be fixed here is where i think we go. i want to know all about the culture and leadership inside the massachusetts air national guard. this would suggest that this individual teixeira was not well supervised were people lazy about this?
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there was the question about how access was granted and how the printer was made available there are a lot of questions to your larger point, this needs to get fixed we are only now starting to see the story around classified documents at mar-a-lago to take the other end of the seniority spectrum classified documents in two former vice presidents' residences this is the moment for a standdown. figure out how we are getting this wrong how do we make it better >> it's as important as what we share is what we get from allies this is another example to our allies, particularly the closest nations to us, which we share almost everything, that the u.s. cannot protect our secrets including whatthey are giving us how damaging is that >> one of the reasons i got some emotion on this is that unlike many other leaks in the past, this is a situation where before we get to our allies, talk about
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what's happening in ukraine. if we lose sources and methods that was providing assistance to the ukrainians, ukrainians will die. that just has me beside myself thinking about that as a possibility. you are right about the allies i can't get into specifics i know of several terrorist attacks that were stopped because we had good intelligence sharing with our capable allies. they put themselves at great risk to collect that intelligence, literally at risk of life and death. if the british our australians or israelis think we can't protect their sources and methods, we aregoing toingness share, which will make us less safe safe. >> i want to turn to evan gershkovich and heard what we heard from his mother. this was "the wall street journal," talking about how they fled the soviet union in 1979.
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>> it was one of the american qualities we absorbed, be optimistic, believe in happy ending that's where we stand right now. i am not stupid. i understand what's involved that's what i choose to believe. >> the russians are saying they are open to a prisoner swap. but only after what could be more than a year of legal proceedings from what we know about how these thing goes is there any way that -- what can the u.s. do? what can our hostage envoy do to try to get him and paul whelan home sooner than that? >> these cases, of course, when they are wrapped up in larger geopolitical issues are very hard the russians, in my opinion, have done this because it's one way to take a slap at us as we assist the ukrainians. it's an innocent journalist suffering as a result. we see this with the iranians as well i have a constituent that has been held by the iranians who is
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innocent it's very hard the answer is, number one, yes, we keep working on a person to person level to get these people home number two, the world needs to make it very plain to russia, to iran, to other countries that do this that they will not see a dime of foreign investment as long as they are taking hostages in this way. that matters it may not matter in the near term if i have to keep on making investment -- i'm a bank or social media company, an exporter and i'm thinking about an investment in russia or anywhere else, if there's a risk my people are used as pawns in a geopolitical chess game, i'm not doing business there these people need to understand that >> congressman jim himes, the top democrat on house intelligence, thank you very much we appreciate it >> thank you decision 2024, dominated by abortion and guns. part lines are drawn which argument is likely to sway
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republican restrictions on abortion in states across the country are putting their presidential candidates on the spot in south carolina, ali vitali questions tim scott, who is considering a presidential run he opened an exploratory company. whether he would back a six week ban on abortion. >> states have the ability to have the most conservative bills that they can get passed in their legislature. i support the culture of life. >> is six weeks the right mile marker >> the people have decided that their elected leaders have the opportunity to do so i say absolutely as the culture of life is being protected, we should celebrate that yes, if i were president, i would sign the most conservative
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pro-life legislation that they can get through congress. >> even if it was six weeks? >> i'm not going to talk about six or five or seven or ten. >> joining me now is robert gibbs and sabrina saviki tim scott is slightly more clear about his views after he was struggling to answer questions from a cbs reporter in an interview with craig melvin nikki haley didn't say whether she would sign that. polling is in a different place. 64% of those in a most recent poll want few restrictions, if any, on abortion >> that's right. polling has consistently shown that a majority of americans support access to abortion republicans are struggling with the fact that the base has moved toward supporting some of the most restrictive measures with
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respect to abortion that we have seen in decades. you have someone like florida governor ron desantis who is not formally in the race but expected to run for president, signing a six week ban on abortion before many women even know that they are pregnant. then some candidates like tim scott, who you just saw, who has backed a 20 week ban but struggling to define at what point he would be comfortable with the procedure right now it's all about appealing to these republican primary voters how much room will that leave senator scott, former florida governor nikki haley in a general election if they have to prevail, where they will have to win support from independents, from super urban women who were instrumental to victories by democrats in the midterm elections, in part because of a nationwide backlash to the supreme court overturning roe v. wade >> robert gibbs, let me talk
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about the major focus for young people, and suburban women and independents, which is guns. after the mass shootings plaguing our country, nag nashn nashville, louisville, one thing after the other, the reaction to what happened in tennessee. what does it say the republican hopefuls are all speaking at the nra convention this weekend desantis has a pre-recorded message. >> jay just right after signing a law in florida that allows concealed carry, which is also extremely unpopular with suburban voters whether it's abortion or whether it's guns, you have republicans doubling down on deeply extremist positions that are massively out of step with lots and lots of voters throughout the country. they are taking positions in
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this primary that garner the support of 25% to 30% of the voters in the united states. it may well be a way to win a republican primary it is going to be a loser when they get to a general election as we have seen with abortion and now with guns, different parts of the democratic base and the suburban base are getting fired up about this. we have seen what's happened in tennessee as a result of what's happened in the school shooting and then the response and expelling leexpel iex expelling legislators. election is in on how popular or in this case, how deeply unpopular these measures are one quick note on abortion too, andrea the dobbs decision leaves the decision to the states and the florida decision about six
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weeks, all these republican presidential candidates are talking about a national ban, right? that means in places like california, in illinois, in new york, in a place like michigan which just enshrined abortion into the state constitution, they're talking about taking the dobbs decision and superseding that with a national law also deeply, deeply unpopular. >> and what you're talking about in wisconsin where that supreme court, that really surprising wisconsin supreme court case preserving the rights in wisconsin. so a national decision goes against dobbs, by the way, which you just pointed out, and it was even more ali vitali's interview, he said he would sign the most conservative national ban that comes to his desk if he were president, squarely in that camp >> yeah, it's one thing to say i'm going to leave this decision to the states, and i respect the decision of the state of florida to do six weeks, but again, all
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of these questions are being answered as a national ban, right? that means in states where there's full protections, kansas voted as a population to preserve it, to your point in wisconsin, 20,000 votes separated joe biden and donald trump in wisconsin, 150,000 plus decided the supreme court race based largely on this issue. >> just two years later, two years plus, thanks to both of you. and damage control, u.s. efforts to reassure allies after that massive pentagon leak you're watching "andrea mifftchl reports" on msnbc. ur price lock guarantee, we'll never raise your rate plan. ever. there are some things that go better... together. like your workplace benefits... and retirement savings. with voya, considering all your financial choices together... can help you be better prepared for unexpected events. voya. well planned. well invested. well protected.
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the leaked pentagon documents raised serious questions about the security of america's top secrets. they also provide rare details into the u.s. intelligence gathering on our allies and our enemies. now the u.s. is reaching out to allies to try to reassure them about our ability to control
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those secrets. joining me now britain's chancellor jeremy hunt, the government chief financial minister, basically their treasury secretary, and he's in washington for the spring meetings of the international monetary fund and the world bank it is very good to see you, chancellor thank you for joining us. >> good afternoon, andrea. >> as the chancellor, key member of the prime minister's cabinet, a former foreign secretary i might add from when we first met, how did this serious security breach -- you deal with intelligence every day -- how does that impact the trust that we have with our closest ally, of course, great britain and other members of the five i's. >> there's not going to be any impact at all. we understand that there are always risks when you're gathering intelligence that leaks can happen we don't comment on leaks as a matter of principle, but i would say as far as i can glean that we are certain that some of the documents were doctored, so i
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think we have to be very careful about jumping to conclusions about any of the content of these documents. we know that the united states is doing a very, very comprehensive investigation as to how the leak happened, and they do everything they can to keep conversations that need to be kept private private. it's a very important part of keeping citizens here in the u.s. and in the uk and across the world's faith that we do gather intention lligence so thr leaders can take decisions on the basis of the best available facts and that will continue >> i'm going to ask you about trade and our relationship and europe's relationship with china as well as the british relationship with china. france's macron was in china last week meeting with president xi, and he said on his way home that europe must resist becoming a vas el, american ves he was referring to avoid getting involved in a
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confrontation over china and the u.s. over taiwan and wanted to preserve europe's options, trade options. what is your reaction to that? >> well, we've never been a vas el, we are independent countries, sovereign countries in europe that make our own decision i think the lesson of history is very clear that the best way to defend democracy and freedom is when europe and north america stand shoulder to shoulder, and we share those values, and it's very important that when those values are under threat as we're seeing in ukraine, for example, the strength of the western response in ukraine is one of the main reasons why russia is losing this war, and that's one of the things that has been a very strong message amongst finance ministers among the international fund in washington this week. people who share the same values
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need to stick together i think that would be my comment. let's remember that when people who don't share those values see division in our approach, that's when they spy opportunity, and we don't want to let that happen >> and as the war continues and perhaps approaches, you know, a war of attrition and stalemate, as was revealed in one of these leaked documents, is there concern that the resolve in europe might weaken, especially because of europe's desire for more trade with china, which is helping to prop up russia and putin in the war. >> there is no sign whatsoever of any weakening of resolve either in europe or the united states or other allies like japan, canada, and australia, and you know, let's be very clear. we think that ukraine is going to win this war. it is a matter of time they will fight to the last man,
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and we will stand with them, and we think that they are in a much better place strategically than russia to win this war, and we recognize this is an existential threat to our values it is not a regional problem it is a global challenge to the values that we all share and the uk and the united states were the two countries that did more than any other to set up the global order after the second world war to protect freedom and democracy, and we are going to make sure we defend it >> and finally, president biden as you know is just leaving ireland and northern ireland after this extraordinary, very happy, uplifting visit from his perspective. it was wonderful, and one of his diplomatic missions was to, of course, celebrate the good friday accords, 25th anniversary and the windsor agreements, so important to any kind of bilateral trade agreement between the uk and u.s
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he made it very clear, are you confident that that can stand and that these current recent tensions can be resolved >> well, i think that my prime minister rishi sunak did an extraordinary thing when he negotiated the windsor framework. he came to an agreement that resolves the border issues that northern ireland has been facing since brexit in a way that works both for the people of northern ireland and for the european union, and it has very, very strong support in parliament, and it means that we can have a much better relationship with the eu, which is important i know it's been strongly welcomed by president biden. there is one bit of the jigsaw that now needs to fall into place, which is the resumption of power sharing by the political parties in northern ireland, and we really welcome the fact that president biden visited northern ireland to give that