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u.s./mexico border and how it could work inside governor abbott's plan to pardon a man who was just convicted of murdering a black lives matter protester at a demonstration back in 2020 and we're watching for any new details coming out of kentucky as we wait for the police briefing in the next hour what we know right now about the horrific shooting at a louisville bank that left five dead, including the shooter. our nbc news reporters are covering all of the latest developments, but we want to begin in louisville and nbc's morgan chesky is there now morgan, what's the latest? what have we learned >> reporter: yeah, chris, very large footprint that's been established by law enforcement around old national bank that is the silver building behind me. that is where authorities say it was around 8:30 a.m. when this gunman that they believe either is a current or a former employee of the bank walked inside and started to open fire. as you mentioned now, four

people have been killed, eight others wounded during that shooting, chris, including one police officer who was wounded critically we're told that he was rushed into surgery at a nearby hospital another officer that was also struck is also being treated at a nearby hospital as well. chris, this started what has been a chaotic day here in louisville there has been an unrelated second shooting here as well at a nearby community college that we're also learning about right now. authorities cleared to say this is not tied to the bank shooting we're still awaiting an update on that, so all eyes go forth to this press conference that's supposed to happen an hour from now. we anticipate hearing from the kentucky governor, from the mayor of louisville as well as police witnesses have described this gunman, chris, as carrying a long gun we still don't know exactly what type of weapon he walked in with or how he was able to obtain it, and we're still waiting to hear a potential motive, so a lot of questions making for an

incredibly uneasy situation here in louisville. chris. >> if you find out anything about the community college situation, let us know about that, morgan thank you. and in just a moment, i'll talk to a former fbi special agent about law enforcement's response and we're expecting that press conference on the louisville shooting about one hour from now, and we will have it live for you when it starts texas governor greg abbott tweeting about pardoning a texas man who killed a black lives matter protester nbc's dana griffin has more for us >> reporter: in the governor's tweet he mentioned the state's stand your ground laws, which helps protect someone if they kill a person if they argue self-defense the governor may believe that this defendant, somehow should have been protected by that law. as far as legal experts, they believe this is purely political because several gop leaders were calling on the governor to pardon daniel parry. there may be a little bit of pressure there

as far as the process goes for a pardon, according to the former assistant district attorney, rick kofer, he says he fully expects the pardon to be granted but it could take several months in texas, the trial process has to be complete before a pardon can be granted and that includes the sentencing phase, which has not happened in this case, and we could learn as early as today when that sentencing date will be set as far as the reaction, several state gop leaders are praising the governor for making this call they believe that this person should not have even gone to trial, even kyle rittenhouse who was acquitted for murder in his case under a similar circumstance where he shot and killed two people, shot and injured a third, he has also been very vocal on twitter, but as far as the family, they are very devastated by the governor's tweet on friday, this was the verdict they had been hoping for and they finally felt like they got a sense of justice after three

years. hours later they say that was all shattered. we spoke with the fiance who was completely devastated. here's what she had to say. >> i just want justice for garrett. it's just -- this has been so difficult, and it's hard with everybody's eyes on you, and it's so personal and it's just -- i just want justice. that's all i want. >> reporter: foster's family is asking supporters to write the parole board to appeal to them so this pardon does not happen >> dana griffin, thank you for that. this week the u.s. is trying to cut the time it takes to process asylum seekers for more than seven weeks to 72 hours nbc's julia ainsley covers homeland security. this sound like a heavy lift how are they going to do it? >> it's in a pilot phase, by may

11th, they're able to expand this across the board, when the covid-19 restrictions known as title 42 are expected to lift, and we're expected to see a surge making the numbers from last year even higher, breaking new records along the border a big problem with the whole process for a long time has been the backup in asylum claims. a lot of people are waiting for the claims to be adjudicated and after they pass the initial claim they're waiting for years to see a judge while the court backlogs may persist, they're hoping to speed up the time it takes to be processed at the border. in a pilot program starting this week, we now expect for migrants who are still in custody of customs and border protection to be able to get on the phone and have their cases adjudicated by an asylum officer, and we're told they will be given legal representation, there's going to be a legal services provider, not yet named who will be providing services to those asylum seekers this is so assuage fears from

legal advocates, immigration ald v advocates, is and a lot of people will be left out of this. it's actually something that the trump administration tried to do to speed up the process for asylum, but that was something the biden administration struck out as soon as they took office, but in this model, they're hoping by allowing legal services providers to be on the phone with migrants, they will be able to understand their rights and get those cases adjud adjudicated quickly. for those who don't qualify, they will be deported more expeditiously, a process to cut down on the backlog we could be seeing in customs and border protection custody in the coming month. the biden administration is appealing a judge's order that could suspend the approval of abortion pills nationwide. laura jarrett is nbc's legal correspondent, and what can we expect from the appeal and is it a strong one >> this filing from the justice department coming in just minutes ago, and what they're

essentially asking the fifth circuit court of appeals to do here is to press pause on everything, to give everyone a chance to have their legal say in court, allow the parties to file in the fifth circuit there, and so it would essentially get rid of that seven-day deadline that we saw in the texas decision from friday you'll remember that decision essentially casting doubt on what would be the future of this drug mifepristone that has been widely used, on the market for 23 years the judge in that case on friday put a hold on the drug's effective date, and it was an interesting move because it's not exactly what the plaintiffs had wanted they wanted him to pull it off the market nationwide, instead, he put a hold on the effective date he said i'm going to give the justice department seven days to appeal the case before my order goes into effect, knowing of course that his order would be controversial. the justice department then indicated that it was going to appeal and we have now seen the emergency request to the fifth circuit filed by the justice department, calling the order

unprecedented and exthe record narks -- exthe rraordinary telling the fifth circuit, please put the order on hold so it doesn't go into effect on friday. >> if this eventually ends up before the supreme court, people might assume the vote would be along the same lines as dobbs, meaning conservatives would side with a ban on abortion is it that clear cut in your mind >> it's really not that clear cut, and partly because in dobbs, the supreme court was essentially kicking it back to the states, saying abortion shouldn't be decided they don't think it was a constitutional right to begin with the conservative justices are kicking it back to the states, with this texas order, there's obviously some debate about exactly what it would mean if it was to go into effect. by all accounts, it would upend the status quo as we know it, and so there's some question about whether this is really the right vehicle. if the supreme court wants to go a step further than just

overturning roe, there's a question about is this the record, is this the vehicle they would want to do it? and certainly there's some language from justice kavanaugh, and justice roberts to cast doubt about whether they would want to go as far as this judge in texas it hasn't reached the supreme court yet. we're still in the fifth circuit. the justice department could run to the supreme court if necessary if it thinks that the fifth circuit is going to drag its feet on this or not rule their way. that's something to watch this week to see whether in fact they jump over the fifth circuit and go straight to the supreme court. >> we'll be watching along with you, laura jarrett, thank you. what house democrats are doing to protect access to abortion pills that's coming up in just 60 seconds. (seth) not to brag, but i just switched to verizon. (cecily) wow! (seth) and i got to choose the phone i wanted. for free. (cecily) not that you're bragging. (vo) switch and choose the phone you want, like the incredible iphone 14, on us. (cecily) on the network worth bragging about. (vo) verizon subway keeps upping their game with the subway series.

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will protect access to the pills, which are the most widely used form of abortion in the u.s. and here with me now is nbc capitol hill correspondent ali vitali what's this all about? what do they want to do here >> look, this is lawmakers knowing that the bill's probably not going to go anywhere because republicans control the house, but moving forward on this anyway trying to show in the instances of new york congressman pat ryan whose race hinged on his stances on reproductive access, and congresswoman liz zi fletcher who told me this was her sitting at the epicenter of the reproductive rights battling right now. it makes sense the two lawmakers are prioritizing this, putting it in. they're in a pro forma session, nevertheless, it's clear democrats want to show this is a priority they're trying to message off of it, and frankly, even if it's a messaging bill, they know the power at the ballot box. now it's a question of sustaining that enthusiasm across the next year and a half. >> that's no small thing things happen you don't expect

to happen. things go in different directions what are you hearing from folks particularly people in some of the purple districts in truly competitive districts about the power they think this will have come 2024? >> look, i think this becomes really sticky, especially in places where we saw republicans make gains in blue states. i'm thinking of places like new york, for example, and part of the explanation for that was that while reproductive rights were on the ballot in red states where folks were seeing restrictions, in blue states, republicans were able to convince voters that these rights wouldn't be touched, simply because they were in a blue state now, the more things that you see that could mount to the federal level and go to the supreme court, that puts this on the ballot in much more than a statewide way. it becomes a federal and national issue, even in these house seats where republicans have previously been able to flip them and win them back. i think that becomes a really sticky place for republicans, and when lawmakers come back to town in a week, that's the thing i want to zero in on with them >> ali vitali doing triple duty,

usually do double hill, out on the campaign trail you're anchoring "way too early," you were great this morning. >> thank you so much, i need my coffee >> for those of you who want to get up at 5:00 in the morning, thank you so much. >> thanks, chris. as we wait for an update on the mass shooting in louisville, president biden has tweeted about the act. once again, our nation mourns after a senseless act of gun violence too many americans are paying the price of inaction with their lives. when will republicans in congress act to protect our communities? well, this morning it wasn't again fell to the police to protect their community, running into danger just as they did, you'll recall, at the covenant school in nashville just two weeks ago today, and just like that shooting, it's personal the governor of tennessee, bill lee, said at the time that his wife was best friends with one of the victims at the nashville shooting, and this was kentucky's governor a few hours ago. >> this is awful

i have a very close friend that didn't make it today and i have another close friend who didn't either, and one who's at the hospital that i hope is going to make it through so when we talk about praying, i hope people will >> joining me now, former fbi special agent and msnbc national security analyst, clint watts, i'm going to get to the nuts and bolts of the shooting today, but let me ask you first to react to what we heard there from the governor i mean, it does seem like we're getting to the point where so many people have a personal connection to a mass shooting somewhere in the united states or someone who dies at the hands of gun violence. we hate to look at it this way, but is that ultimately maybe going to be the key to getting some what are called common sense gun laws in place? >> it's pretty sad, chris, there's no community and no

place in the united states of america at this point, where someone either was involved in a mass shooting or knows somebody close to them that was it is something that has come up time and again, and we were talking about nashville just recently, not that far away from louisville, which we're talking about today. again, you know, a workplace shooting in this case, but the effects and the impacts on communities, it's the same every single time, and we see a very consistent pattern again, it sounds like a long gun was used, some sort of ar-15 style weapon this was happening, you know, first thing on a monday morning after a holiday weekend. why does this continue to happen well, there's the frequency and then there's the impact. and the number of deaths that's out there is just staggering i think something else is law enforcement responded exactly the way they are trained they did an excellent job in responding to this, and i think that time was about three minutes they said they were there, but we have two law enforcement officers that were wounded. what kind of society do we have

where any people, anywhere in the united states of america might encounter a military assault weapon out on the streets at any moment, and law enforcement would have to respond to someone being out gunned someone has an ar-15 at one of these locations, during one of these mass shootings, the first law enforcement officers likely don't have body armor that can protect against that kind of caliber weapon they also are using handguns to interdict a shooter that has more fire power than them. it's a bizarre scenario in this country, and i can't understand why we don't make some sort of progress on dealing with this issue. >> i'll pick up on that because it's included in what was just handed to me we saw the tweet from president biden, but now he's roeleased a full statement in reaction to the shooting in louisville, kentucky, and i'm going to read it in its entirety once again our nation is in mourning after a senseless act of gun violence. jill and i are praying for those killed and injured in the tragic shooting in louisville and for

the survivors who will carry grief and trauma for the rest of their lives. we are grateful to the louisville metropolitan police department officers who quickly and courageously stepped into the line of fire to save others. how many more americans must die before republicans in congress will act to protect our communities. it's long past time that we require safe storage of firearms, require background checks for all gun sales, eliminate gun manufacturers immunity from liability. we can and must do these things now. a strong majority of americans want lawmakers to act on common sense gun safety reforms instead, from florida to north carolina to the u.s. house of representatives, we've watched republican officials double down on dangerous bills that make our schools, places of worship, and communities less safe. it's nconscionable, it's reckless, and too many americans are paying with their lives. rewrote something that picks up on what you were saying before i'll read it again

the louisville metropolitan police department officers who quickly and courageously stepped into the line of fire to save others look, it's what police sign up for, they know it's a dangerous job, but are we asking too much with this, day after day, week after week, asking them to go up against people who maybe in this case, but certainly in many other cases have fire power that is so much stronger than what they carry with them >> it is definitely widely different than what we have had in past decades. think about it as a law enforcement officer, and what we do, you know, in this country is if they don't respond swiftly and literally just throw their life into the combat that they're seeing on the streets, we then criticize them, you know, that's terrifying to be a law enforcement officer having to go in you don't know the situation you don't know who the perpetrator is, and you get there, and you find that you have military assault weapons being used against you

it is really an impossible mission for law enforcement, and another sort of bizarre oddity of this is our task forces, our law enforcement have increased their time to respond. they are there within minutes. if even a minute they were getting there quickly, and yet the deaths still mount so the response is not enough. we shouldn't expect that in terms of response. we should be trying to take care of our law enforcement officers and take care of our communities. this is just senseless at this point, and i don't know why when there's overwhelming public support for changes we can't make just even the smallest sort of progress on this, things like background checks, licensing, training, all of this seems common sense we wouldn't let someone have a car without any of those things, but we'll let them have a military assault style weapon. >> i want to let you know the three things the statement mentioned, they do seem like things that could possibly be

considered on the more common sense end. he said require safe storage of firearms why would that be controversial? require background checks for all gun sales, and eliminate gun manufacturers' immunity for liability. as someone who has worked in law enforcement for decades, how much of a difference could those things make? >> i think all of those, literally, we just created weapons, which are weapons of war, things that kill people the way we treated a car we don't let people drive unless they have had some sort of licensing, they have taken a test, that they are insured, that's another thing that we could do, which would actually put it in the hands of the private sector to build incentives and systems around who can be insured to have a weapon even just basic training no one even has to do that at this point, yet they can go and acquire any sort of weapon these things are literally insane they don't make any sense.

it doesn't have anything to do with proper owning of a gun. i grew up in missouri. my grandfather, he taught me how to shoot he would not -- he would expect that you have proper training, proper safety, you know how to do all of these things before you even handled the weapon, anh weapon we are seeing used in these engagements, i had to go into the military to hold and get training on. we're liberally handing these out across the country. >> clint watts, thank you, and sorry to talk to you on another day with a mass shooting that has claimed lives. we are expecting a press conference on the louisville shooting less than an hour from now, and we will take you there live when it starts. florida governor ron desantis is making moves toward a potential 2024 campaign. is he late to the competition already? plus, ted cruz, no stranger to the conservative base, the surprise move as he ramps up for his reelection campaign for the

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former president trump is now pushing his potential 2024 challenger, florida governor ron desantis, to show his cards. the trump campaign calling on the governor to resign citing florida's resign to run law, which requires state level office holders who want to run for federal office to resign from their current position before qualifying as a candidate. it comes as desantis is sending more and more signals that he's going to get in the race, including pushing the most aggressive crackdown on immigration in a decade, likely approved a far reaching ban on most abortions as early as this week a move "politico" calls

politically risky. also, planning a visit later this month to the key battleground of south carolina but with the latest polls showing waning enthusiasm for his candidacy, did desantis miss his moment to get in the race. with us, nick confosori, and msnbc political analyst. well, donald trump is a master at doing this, no question he has been able to dominate the news cycle now he's calling on desantis to get out of the race. maybe it will come to the point where the legislature where desantis has a few friends has to get rid of this law what do you think the desantis strategy is going forward? i'm looking at the reuters ipsos poll taken after trump's arraignment and it's 51-28 trump. >> his plan is to wait until after the session in tallahassee, so he has a new round of successes to point to as he joins the campaign field

you know, he could still pull the plug and not do it this is his moment if he's going to do it history in recent years has not been kind to people who waited for a later moment he's certainly losing out from the rallying effect for trump, around the arraignment and the indictment in new york, and the problem for desantis is that effect is real, and continues. look, trump will be under indictment, and investigation for the rest of the campaign >> for sure! and so if a sufficient number of voters on the right, that's going to be hard sliding. >> well, nick just mentioned something kind of interesting and sly. what do you think the chances are desantis decides not to run? >> oh, i don't think he can decide at this point not to run. he's effectively already in the race this really is his moment. yes, he's a young guy, but if he, you know, he's positioned himself really as a fighter, and if he bows out of this

particular fight, he will never get that reputation back, and the fact is right now, there is a big chunk of the party you know, i do focus groups every week with trump voters there's a big chunk of the party that is desantis curious and wants to move on from donald trump. but ron desantis isgoing to have to figure out, you know, who he's playing to in this primary. he's sort of decided for some reason he's trying to out trump trump with the base. i think that's a mistake i think he should be trying to consolidate the sort of move on from trump voters and trying to really, you know, build relationships with them and build a broad enough coalition that he can start getting these numbers back, and he can't do this thing where he decides to be sort of a supporting player in the drama around donald trump's indictment where he's now out there defending trump. he's going to have to figure out a different strategy than that if he wants to be effective. >> first of all, i love that phrase, which i'm going to adtting to it, desantis

curious, but let me give you one example of a way in which i think he's following the crowd, which is he could sign a six-week abortion proposal as early as this week looking at what we've seen post roe. lo looking at what we're seeing you how the fight is playing out with the texas ruling. is that going to help him if he decides to run how much does he need to differentiate himself and still not offend the base? >> yeah, well, look, if he signs the six-week ban, that may help him in a republican primary, and look, if he wants to run in the general election, he's got to win the republican primary first, and so that is what he is focused on, but man is that going to be poison with swing voters coming into a general election we already saw this in 2022 where a lot of the republican candidates took hard line positions on abortion in their primaries, only to get into the general, and for those swing voters to find -- to really

think that that was too extreme and be unwilling to vote for them i think this is a big gamble for desantis and whichever way he goes, trump is going to hang him with it. if i were him, i would go where the majority of the country is there's a lot of republicans who i talked to in these focus groups, they might say i'm pro life but i believe in a woman's right to choose. there's a big chunk of the republican party that doesn't want to see the extreme position on abortion. >> i'm going to go back, nick, to what you said de desantis is only 44. it's not like this is his one and only chance, unless, as sarah points out, he gets a reputation should he decide not to run this time as he's afraid of a fight so does he have to get in? >> look, i think that currently in mold earndern politics, the r against people who stick around

for a long time, the obvious exception is biden there will be new talent, and if he's out of office for four years, and trying to run again, it's going to be harder if his brand is i'm the guy who has results. >> sarah longwell, great to have both of you here, more to come on this, thank you so much. the pentagon is scrambling to find out how u.s. secrets about the war in ukraine appeared online. has damage already been done you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc want your clothes to smell freshly washed all day without heavy perfumes? try downy light in-wash freshness boosters. it has long-lasting light scent, no heavy perfumes, and no dyes. finally, a light scent that lasts all day. downy light! liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. with the money we saved,

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now to the growing mystery and fallout surrounding a trove of classified pentagon documents leaked on social media in recent days nbc news has now reviewed dozens of those papers, many of them marked top secret. they contain details about u.s. spying on both adversaries and allies, including russia's war effort, and ukraine's ability to fight back the question is are they even real, joining us now is nbc news global security, national and global affairs reporter, dan de luce, and former cia officer and national security and intel officer, marc polymeropoulos, and former undersecretary of state for diplomacy and public affairs, and msnbc political analyst, richard stengel i know you have been able to look at these documents yourself what's in there, and is this leak under investigation >> there is a lot of sensitive information in these documents

and u.s. officials believe that they are probably authentic but they are still investigating the veracity of these documents. many of them are marked secret or top secret. there are photos, charts, maps of the war in ukraine, details about electronic eavesdropping, spying on the russian military, the russian government, as well as eavesdropping on our allies, according to these documents now, we just heard the white house spokesperson, john kirby acknowledge that president biden was briefed on this whole disclosure, and interestingly, just now, the pentagon had a briefing they said defense secretary lloyd austin was briefed about this last thursday, april 6th. some of these documents, these purported intelligence documents were circulating on social media platforms as early as march. that raises another question whether the u.s. was aware of this or maybe it wasn't, it was

blind sided. there's a doj investigation underway as you know we don't know if this was a leak, whether it was some kind of a hack by a foreign adversary, and we don't know if there are going to be more closds closures, more damaging disclosures to come. >> this leads me to a loft of questions, starting with if you have sensitive information in there, were u.s. officials blind sided by this? what's your take on this >> i think they certainly were blind sided. you know, they have been floating around in this area of the dark web with these, you know, strange chat rooms, but i think, chris, the key on this is not as much how this is going to affect the tactical battlefield operation operations it's more of signals intelligence as you read accounts of what are in these documents, the worry is the russians are going to do

forensics and certainly understand that we have a pretty incredible ability to intercept their communications that's the biggest downside to this that's what the administration officials, certainly what the director of national intelligence is going to be most focused on what is the damage that has been done already. >> and when you talk about damage, there may be a secondary thing here, what does it mean for our allies, how do they view something like this? what's your take >> i can't speak for the intelligence side as the two gentlemen can, but i can talk about the diplomatic side. it's a really difficult conversation to have to have with your allies when they discover that you have been spying on them there's examples from south korea, from israel these are some of our closest allies, and those are difficult conversations. this not only hurts our intelligence gathering effort, it hurts our diplomacy and our relationship with our allies, particularly as we're trying to muster support for the war in ukraine. >> can i ask you about something else specifically in here, one of the documents that said

leaders in israel's foreign intelligence service encouraged staff to participate in the anti-government protests that have been raging in israel for weeks now. israel is denying that talk about that diplomatic dance. already we know that our diplomatic relations between leaders are strained >> well, chris, that intelligence, you know, when you get intelligence reports, they talk about how sure they are of that material. that kind of thing i read also that there were state department memos in the material that has been released. some of that stuff can be just conjecture that someone is guessing or that they heard that you know, i don't know if the intelligence service or officers said they have a high degree of certainty about it it's just a very interesting observation, and speaks to the fact that the general opposition to what netanyahu is trying to do with the supreme court. >> what do you think, mark, the

conversations are like among insiders and active intelligence right now, and what are the chances that they get to the bottom of this >> i'm quite confident we're going to find out who did this you know, there's going to be a paper trail, and i think it's really important you know, what has to be done immediately is to cauterize this, and to catch the leaker, who, nin fact, is a trader are there more documents out there? that has got to be a concern as well one quick point in terms of bilateral relationships. i think that we have to also keep in mind there's been some question on will this hamper intelligence sharing i don't think so in the end. there are going to be difficult conversations. we are in the midst of the biggest land war in europe since world war ii there has to be intelligence sharing. i think bilaterally we'll get past this, no doubt there's going to be tough conversations at u.s. embassies abroad. >> marc polymeropoulos, dan de luce, and richard, thank you so much. after staying quiet for more

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this hospital a year ago, she thought she would be ready to tell her story, but it was a really tough couple of years for her. she led a covid unit, lost her grandmother in her own unit. it was a really hard time, and so just recently she had sort of gotten out of this dark place, and she was on tiktok again with her daughter, and she realized that her daughter didn't want to post because she was terrified of social media because of all of the harassment. people were showing up at their house, people were claiming they were part of pedophile rings it was snowballing out of control for years and years. she said i'm a strong woman, why am i running for this. and she said i'm tired of running. she reached out. >> we have a clip from the podcast. >> wryeah, we do have a clip. i think this is from the interview that's going to be on nightly news tonight, and it's when i asked her about, you know, she was made into this anti-vaccination icon, without her consent. she's a covid nurse. she wanted to save lives she wanted to talk about the vaccine that day, and she got

wrapped up in this conspiracy theory and that was hard for her. >> online, anti-vaxxers and the movement are using you as their poster girl. >> it's hard to think that you are being used to deter somebody from getting the vaccine and that was really hard for me to cope with >> are you saying you blamed yourself >> yes, absolutely i would have people say how many people did not receive the vaccine because of you it's crazy when you go in to sa save lives and something like that happens. >> just hearing the harassment, the effect it has on her family, right. so what's been the reception to her coming out again, post online again >> people are really excited we've had an information vacuum about this story, and tiffany dover has been used as a canary in the coal mine to sell you all of these stories about people who have died suddenly or injured from the vaccine that haven't proven to be true.

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and win back some of those swing voters who almost sent him packing in 2018. nbc's scott wong got an exclusive interview with the senator. along with our colleague, sahil kapur, you spoke with senator cruz about this tricky balancing act. what does burnishing a bipartisan image look like for him, and do you think people are going to buy it? >> reporter: we often don't talk about ted cruz and bipartisanship in the same sentence this is exactly what ted cruz wants to talk about now. he's pointing to his work as the top republican on the commerce committee working across the aisle with democrats including chairwoman maria cantwell on legislation, you know, that would require appliances like a refrigerator to notify you if they have recording devices built into them. his work with joe manchin on a bill to prevent a ban on gas

stoves he's pointing to bill that is he's teamed up with ben ray lujan of new mexico, and raphael warnock on expanding interstate routes in those states that would be critical to business and commerce in those states, and so what's he doing here? what is ted cruz doing here? if you remember, he suffered a big election scare just five years ago, 2018, where he narrowly edged out beto o'rourke by 2.6 percentage points, and so he lost a number of independents in that race, and so he's going to try to appeal to those independents this next time around we don't know who his opponent is yet will it work, you ask? democrats are highly skeptical i talked to brian scholz of hawaii who served with cruz. he rolled his eyes at me, chris, when i asked about cruz's bipartisan efforts on the committee, the democratic

senatorial campaign committee, the campaign arm, with a much more scathing response saying that cruz is one of the most vitriolic least productive bombastic, self-absorbed members of the united states congress and senate, so there you have it, chris. lots of skepticism on the democratic side of the aisle >> and nevertheless, one of those races we will watch very closely. scott wong, thank you very much for that. and finally, after a very busy and frankly sometimes depressing news day, we wanted to share a little of the fun from the white house president biden and first lady jill biden hosting the annual white house easter egg roll with a guest appearance from more than one easter bunny, including on the right, the iconic, the spectacled marvel of a rabbit on the truman balcony the event had it all, frankly, live music, colored eggs, and lots and lots and lots of kids and, by the way, it's still happening. not expected to wrap up until

about 30,000 people have come through there. yes, there are timed tickets it will end likely around 7:00 p.m and that's going to do it for us this hour. we are expecting officials to provide an update on the mass shooting in louisville any moment now there you see the podium we'll have that for you live when it happens. join us for "chris jansing reports" weekdays 1:00 to 3:00 eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now ♪ good to be with you, i'm katy tur, as chris jansing just said, we are waiting for police in louisville, kentucky, to update us on the latest mass shooting four dead and nine are wounded at the old national bank sources tell nbc news the shooter is believed to be a current or former employee of the bank it was unclear how the shooter died the question is what does or does not happen now?