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the last thing before we go tonight, the very best news, my three sons, while mike's three sons are super -- megabit and his son candy, oak and a beautiful baby boy to their family. baby samuel walter be, at is the couple's third son in the last four years. he entered the world of seven pounds even, in 20 inches long. a baby are doing one resting, a big brother's four and a half year old harry, and one half year old tommy, you heard that. four and a, half one and a half, and a one day old, a very excited to welcome home a little brother. the cast is coming, congratulations the entire
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vietnam lee, and your little miracle. and on that absolutely fantastic note, i wish you all a fantastic day. from all over colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late, i will see you at the end of tomorrow. tomorrow first things first, i'm happy to report that stormy daniels appears to be doing great. she is apparently hosting a new reality tv show, i think possibly streaming in atlanta, be utterly now, but it's like a sexy gay dating reality show, competition thing. with lots of trauma, elastic eyeing, and lots of speedos, they seem to have figured out a way to do this so that everything basically happens in
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speedos. watching the trailer today, for the news, stormy daniels hosted reality dating thing -- i learned the word, him beau. it's a noun, it's like bimbo, that him. i had no idea, probably everybody knew this by me. i learned this today. i find this very helpful. him bows. miss stormy daniels appears to be doing great, and happy for, them and how to build the state. today, the reason it made sense to check in on, that is because today, eric in the new york times, we got answers on the political, financial, legal, public corruption scandal that started spiraling out from stormy daniels, depending on when you start counting, -- while we started to get close to the end, finally start to
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get answers. so first things, first first name is stephanie clifford, did you change your name to stormy daniels, and she did that for a reason, she prefers to be called by the name she chose, so we should call her stormy daniels, and miss daniels, let's get that out of the way. second, this story actually emerges, both from his daniel story, but also -- can we, wcco pictured here. during the 2016 presidential campaign, stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, both made similar allegations, but one of the candidates for president that year. they both said they had extramarital affairs, with candidate donald trump. i mean when it fair here, because i'm easily embarrassed. you should have made very specific claims about having an adulterous physical relationship with candidate
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donald trump, suffice to say. for his part, mr. trump has denied that he ever had an affair, with either missed angels or miss mcdougal. that's daniels for her part she's gone so far as to not only insist that her claims are true despite his denials she's actually publicly described what she said were unusual physical features of his genitals, that a person cannot know about him, unless they'd seen him in his birthday suit. she's presented that information as part of a vote of three days, it definitely happened. mr. trump himself, has denied and continues to deny affairs with either these women. i'm a prosecutors of spelled out in court, is that trump was desperate to keep these women from making the allegations about him in public, for the 2016 campaign. so, prosecutors explain in court, that explain for each of these women to be paid off
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ahead of the election, so they would keep quiet before voters went to the polls it is all to help his presidential campaign made a lot of money for these two women get their stories out of the news i had the election in order to improve his chances of being elected. that makes the payments and a campaign expenditure, campaign expenditures are things about which there are rules and laws. and this payoff scheme, to these two women, it broke some of those laws. and we know that is true, because someone is already gone to jail for his participation in the scheme. now, the publisher of the rabidly pro trump, bizarre supermarket tabloid the national enquirer, he contacted trump after learning in 2016 that miss mcdougal line to make her allegations about trump public. >> the national inquiry then arranged for them to pay her
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hundred thousand dollars to not tell a story about trump. this publisher the national enquirer because the news gods hate me and hate that i am easily embarrassed, the news gods have been made it so that 's name is david pecker i'm not kidding at the national republican acquire mr. pecker expected to be reimbursement trump world for that hundred dollar payment to kari mcdougal but he never was a meant that as soon as we heard there was another woman, stormy daniels, who's gonna make similar allegations about trump he apparently was willing to contact trump about that again and to help make plans again to keep that story quiet before the election as well but in the case of the second woman, storming daniels, mr. pecker is not willing to show the money for her himself he had shielded the money from miss mcdougal he was not willing to do it again from his daniels. so in the daniels allegations, came to mr. pecker's attention, mr. pecker contacted trump
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world, he contacted trump organization lawyer michael cohen and said okay, i took care of the mcdougal, one this when you guys had to pay. i'm still out of the park for the last one you paid off, you have made me hold on that, you can pay off this one. >> and, michael cohen then the. he paid stormy daniels and $30, 000, to keep her story quiet before the election. and then, in mr. cohen's case, the trump organization, trump's family business, we embrace mr. cohen for that expense from company funds. and what i've just described is a crime. those payoffs to those women, for the benefit of the trump political campaign. they were campaign expenditures, and therefore i had to be declared as such, and they were subject campaign expenditure, or campaign legal limits. but that's not how they were handled. and you know, the national
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enquirer, for this part, they pretended there are hundred 50,000 dollar expenditure was for hiring this woman, for fitness columns or something, it is really just a pair of to keep that story to the news, to help get trump's campaign. michael cohen expenditure, i was actually declared in the trump organization's books, as payments for illegal expenses. i'm pena point star hundred $30, 000, and on top of a alleged affair during a presidential campaign, as a lot of things, but the practice of law does not. when they booked those expenses as legal expenses, now may well have been part of the crime. so michael cohen, trump organization lawyer, in 2018 he pled guilty to committing this crime. in 2019 he reported to federal prison for his work in this crime the national enquirer and mr. pecker they were given immunity in return for their cooperation with the federal grand jury investigation that
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ultimately miss sent mr. cohen to prison. that's how divided the national inquiry got off, it's moving through beautifully through the. -- here's the thing, though, here's the thing never made sense for years. and never made sense, it's still to this day is not made sense that mr. cohen, is the one who went to prison for this window and ousted. i mean the national enquirer and our publisher with a funny name, then being granted immunity, you might not like that that happened, but at least is explicable, it's rational, we understand prosecutors today. when it comes to trump though, and the trump organization, and never really made any sense that they escaped sort of scot-free, despite the fact the prosecutors have this crime dead to rights. i mean in court, if you pled guilty, michael collin wright a description of his crime, a description of what he did to lead to his guilty plea.
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this is a formal statement of the court, there's written for him by prosecutors, he stated under oath, it was formally submitted to the court. and now description that he read, explain in detail that michael cohen, committed the crime with trump, he committed it for trump, and at all times during the commission of a crime, he was operating at trump's direction. so why did trump not get charged? why did the trump organization not get charged? i, mean in the case of trump personally, yes there is a justice department policy says, no indictment can be brought against a sitting president. but where it not for that policy, would trump have faced charges for this crime? how could be that michael cohen did but trump didn't. as the only reason they didn't charge trump is because of the justice department role, that precludes indicting a sitting president. they could've said that was only reason it was being charged, that would've led to
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the expectation, and probably a bit eventuality that those charges would basically be put on hold, during the duration of his presidency, and then those charges would be in force from them's stepping down in office. prosecution's case did nothing like, this may proceed no charges against trump. instead, they told the court this other guy, committed a crime come with trump, for trump, and it is direction, prosecuted the other guy, for it they sent into prison, and then never brought charges against trump. never said anything about it. >> nor did trump's business gets prosecuted, even though prosecutors voted in court of the business was, used -- national inquiry did the same thing, but they got immunity to avoid charges for doing that. the trump organization can get immunity, but they didn't face charges either. why is that? how is that? well, some of the answer, i
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started sort of started the, answer came out in a shocking book, which i think should have gotten a lot more attention and it went as published a few months ago. jeffrey berman, was the u.s. attorney, and espn, why the federal prosecutors office in manhattan, while this was happening. -- the hush money case. steph's supposedly recuse -- and in his book, in his book hold in line, a jeffrey berman published about his time as u.s. attorney in svm, i he explains in detail, that main justice under trump reached into u.s. dni and intervened.
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he says it explicitly this from page 24 jeff berman's book. >> he said quote, -- even though is not seen the cohen case, i saw the deal with the other issues driving from it, may just sense as to get interference. -- the information rather than indictment. that was the title of the documentary was referencing here, of 40 pages long, he says, and a reference to person identified as individual, one and seven acted in concert with michael cohen. he, says quote, there's zero doubt as to the identity of individual one, nostalgia. trump promises consistent with doj guidelines we first submitted the information to the public integrity section
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that main justice, where then sent a copy to the deputy attorney general the time, todd rosenstein informing him that is -- the next >> day the prosecutor my office he was aggressive, he knows they now that cohen is pleading guilty, we don't need all this description of the climb. prosecutor responded, what exactly are you concerned about, rosenstein's deputy proceeded to identify specific allegations, that he wanted removed and the information, almost all of them were items referencing individual one, donald j trump. quote, it quickly became apparent that wasn't the overall length detail of the document that concerned him, it was any mention of individual one. the two men went through a handful of these allegations, some of which she prosecutor greed to strike the others we did not.
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-- >> now 21 pages, kept all the charges to which cohen was pleading guilty, removed certain allegations, including allegations that individuals cooperated with going on illegal campaign contributions. >> trump -- appointees and main justice the unit sdny, had them stripped out of court documents in this case, 19 pages of prosecutors descriptions of trump's role in those felonies. it was a 40-page information, a 40-page statement at the court when justice made them could've done 21 pages by cutting out the rest of their descriptions of trump's role in the crime. and although they didn't want to go along with, that they went along with, it they felt like the head to.
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and if you've ever spent any time as an elementary school soon on a playground, with police, you will know what happens when he lets someone push around like that. that, of course, it's never the end of it, it just gets worse from there. permit goes on to describe, how trump appointed attorney william barr, personally intervened in the hush money investigation, later as well. quote, while cohen had pleaded guilty, our office continues to pursue investigations related campaign financing. and barr took over as attorney general in february 2019, six months after cohen had pleaded guilty bar not only tried to kill the ongoing investigations, but incredibly, suggested that michael cohen's conviction on campaign finance charges, could be retroactively reversed, far as some in the prosecutors leaving the hush money case, and late february. so this is one of the first in the party does when he becomes attorney general, he only becomes attorney general in february, before the end of that month, he's someone's lead
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prosecutor on the hush money case to quote challenge the basis of cohen's guilty plea as well as the reasoning behind pursuing some campaign finance charges against other individuals. the prosecutor was told to cease all investigative work on the campaign finance allegations until the office of legal counsel, a part of maine, justice determined whether there was legal basis for the campaign finance charges to which cohen pled guilty. and it'll bar determined there was a significant federal interest in pursuing charges against others. the directive barr gave the prosecutor not a single -- could be reviewed until the issue is resolved. and main justice decided there was no legal basis. it attorney general the united states, but directives to dismiss the guilty pleas michael cohen. manu implicated the attorney general's, boss the president.
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berman closes with this, he says i've tried not to make assumptions about the motivations of barr or anyone else, i'm a lawyer trying to deal with facts. barr's posture here raises obvious questions. do you think dropping the charges, would bolster trump's defense against impeachment charges. as you're trying to assure that no other trump associates or employees will be charged -- to pull a house flip on the president, was a part of a effort to undo the entire series of investigations prosecutions, of those in the presidents orbit, people like roger flynn, michael cohen. premise is, quote was the goal to ensure the president himself, could not be charged after leaving office? >> jeffrey berman and goes on to explain in his book the bar, subsequently tried to take the whole hush money case, as out of sdny. take it out of his, office and give it to another u.s. attorney, norman apparently successfully blocked down from
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law. he also said that this standoff between his prosecutors office in main justice, went out for months. while main justice -- from looking at a single document or taking a single vested gate of step of any kind. >> while this one guy michael cohen is sentenced to prison. even though they named another person, with whom michael cohen committed his felony. >> and so, now they never charge it at their trump, even though they concluded he committed the crime with cohen. never, charged him never tried to charge him, -- he will try to charge anyone else. >> and sdny, if you read this bottom level, berman's book is called holding a line for a reason, because what standing up to trump's appointees. this story tells about the hush money case, though, is the
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story of sdny, standing up to the corrupt, and proper pressure from trump's justice department employees, just enough, to stop michael cohen's prosecution from been undone after the fact, that was it. the investigation and anyone else involved in those crimes, got kibosh, and nobody else is under charge, and then they walked away from it. and say you, we've been left with this delay five years now. this is the equivalent of federal prosecutors, supposedly feelers, g-men cracking the case, that's not been a whole gang of bank robbers and only prosecuting like the one guy who sold in the screen masks. and letting all the rest of them go. never got worse, because william rash bomb and been protests, reported that the new york times and august, familiar to you, that is in addition to
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botching this as a federal prosecution, federal prosecutors and asking, why also blocked anyone else from pursuing this case either. i mean, making illegal campaign expenditures whether or not you lie about unaccompanied books by calling it legal expenses, making illegal campaign expenditures is a crime in every state as well as a federal crime. and new york state prosecutors were therefore interested in the details of this crime became known when michael cohen started tying congress in the public where you've been involved in new york state prosecutors were interested in pursuing potential state charges related to this crime but as william mash mom and been protests reported at the new york times quote new york district attorney's office considered mountaineer inquiry in 2018, but the office paused that effort at the request of federal prosecutors.
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the federal prosecutor, is kept alone up by trump's doj, by main justice under trump food is been a case against michael cohen. they get order to not investigate anyone else for these crimes. they get threatened that even cones could be like 02, despite the fact that he pled guilty. federal prosecutors at sdny fold in the face that pressure. and simultaneously, that tells state prosecutors that they can't look at the case either. can look at this, actually where the feds were handling this. yeah, the feds were not handling, the police they were not handling this well. while they were botching it, they're preventing other prosecutors who would've pursued on their own, terms without pressure from main justice. and that brings us to today's news. to this finally starting, to clear up. for us as a country, finally starting to get clear of the mess the president donald trump, and attorney general bill barr
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made of american law, particularly when it comes to public corruption, these things don't just disappear into the ether, they create precedent, they warm away at the integrity, and the basic core functions of the u.s. justice department, and unless and until their fixture corrected, it just wraps the system. who's the move could be lifted dangle, it has to be tied off. even if federal prosecutors are gonna do it themselves, somebody's gonna have to. and today, new york times reporter william nash bomb, and his policies at the times were forced to report the new york state prosecutors as of today has started private sending evidence to a grand jury related to this case. and this time it is not about michael cohen, this time it is finally about trump. quote, the manhattan district attorney's office today and sending evidence to a grand jury about donald j trump's role, in paying hush money to a porn star to his 2016 presidential campaign, --
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against a former president. we can't jury was recently empaneled, beginning witnessed somebody today presents a clear signal that the district attorney alan bragg -- that's right before the mr. pecker, former publisher of the national enquirer, we've seen today with his lawyer at the building where the grand jury is now starting to hear when it's testimony. the times also reports the prosecutors are seeking grand jury testimony, for at least two trump organization employees who may have been involved in effectively laundering the funds, for this illegal campaign expenditure a third trump employee who may be brought in to testify he will be particularly easy for prosecutors to fine because he is adam mott weisselberg, the cfo trump organization, who's currently serving a jail sentence -- who's reportedly involved in this too.
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>> so this is a crime, who's committed in 2016, last housing court was in 2018. the last time someone went to jail for this crime is in 2019. federal prosecutor is bottled it, and they simultaneously blocked state prosecutors from pursuing it themselves, for a long time. there's also weird interlude where when manhattan da, when new york state prosecutor started the investigation into this matter, and then a new prosecutor came into office, and stop that investigation, and then a new prosecutor restarted a few months later, -- it's been off again on again criminal case. at the course, is a simple crime, very understandable crime in which the evidence was really clear and for years now we're going on seven years
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since it have been five years since people went to prison for four years they've been making sure there are no consequences for the guy who prosecutors say committed a crime that is the only person who benefited from it. the purpose of this crime was to help donald trump's campaign for president. he did become president, which apparently does give it carte blanche to stake out handcuffs, for four years, will you occupy the oval office. but not after. it doesn't last, once you're out, once you are out of the oval office, it supposed to go back to the kind of person who isn't allowed to get caught committing crimes, without having to pay. it is taken all these years, map it is his former dale hussein biden, she's doing better than fine. but we're about to find out if we can say the same about the rule of law, and the justice system, which they really royally screwed up in their time in office.
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the new york prosecutors have been considering prosecute enjoy don trump's company, over payments to porn, start that amounted to a illegal campaign contribution. mr. rash moment is closed reported that those state prosecutors, have been told by the feds, they should back, off because the feds were handling this matter. we then got this blockbuster from william rash moment's colleagues at the time, inside barr's efforts to undermine prosecutors in new york. then william rash woman's colleagues broke the news that, the da, the state prosecutors, were reviving the mastication, and issuing subpoenas. when a new da appeared to was again put the brakes on the investigation, it was when a mash bomb on his colleagues who then broke the news, it to lead investigators had to resign from the, office in protest.
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as william rash bomb and his colleagues, both the news that the da had restarted the investigation, and today you will not be surprised to hear that it was william kay rash, bomb as the lead byline until a scoop, the new york prosecutors have begun presenting evidence to a grand jury in this case, quote, the beginning of witness testimony represents a clear signal that the district attorney is nearing a decision about whether to charge mr. trump. for years, william kay rash mom has been a scoop machine, and basically the nations guide to this otherwise confounding story. joining us now is senior k rash mom. mr., ashmont thank you so much for reporting on these stories, countries needed you through all this. >> well thanks for having me rachel, i don't think i've heard my name we mention repeatedly that many times. since that are no when.
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>> well it's all for the good, hopefully, given that we are fine reporting on this, and we have been far-right sosin turn on the road. i've task you have any sense of how close to the end of the road, this story is, or do you think we're still just right in the middle of, it and there will still be used to come? >> well, first i just have to say that, you know almost all the work we've done has been,, as a team, i work with a lot of very talented, very aggressive, they are hardworking people and i'm not the only one. pursuing this, but it does seem like it will go on forever, and there's a possibility, that there will be charges soon. but i think we've seen that a
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number of times. it's felt that way number of times. so i think we just had to reserve judgment, and see where this goes. >> under this particular prosecutor, this da there has been a u-turn, as you and your colleagues reported at the time, then alvin bragg became manhattan's da, he effectively inherited investigation, including grant sure that it heard evidence, and it heard testimony about both of hush money case and some other things related to trump, you then reported on to investigators, two top lawyers we've been working on that, resigned in protest saying they didn't believe that this da was moving quickly enough, or effectively against trump, then he ought to be. now it seems the same da, going back to the grand jury, specifically on this hush money issue, and perhaps on other matters as well, you have any insight into what might have to
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explain that you turn from this day? >> you know, this investigation from when it began in 2018, through the tenure of cy vance, who was the da until mr. bragg took office to the beginning of 2022, has had a lot of twists and turns, and you know it's unclear, i'm certainly not inside our bag's mind and he's someone who plays his cards close to the chest so he and his office of maintained since they made him at decisional to go for with a grand jury presentation they've maintained that they were continuing the investigation, they still now maintain their continuing
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investigation into the evaluations case and there are indications that we've seen that they are doing so so it's hard to chart those twists and turns and understand everything about everything about why the twist in the terms came when they did. >> but, to the extent of the organ about able to chart those twists and turns, we may do in south korea work. i'll tell you we have been following tips and trying to get the story ourself hearing about this possible grand jury and of course to get us to it, ten times and you tell we could've ever dug up. we are all following an awakening story mr. rash glam thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you that's very flattering and thanks to having me on. >> appreciate it. all right, i'll tell you one last note on the story as we've been talking, about the release
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to prosecutors in the new york da's office, who quit in protest last year, the last time this investigation appeared to go an ice one of those prosecutors is a veteran, very complex lawyer called mark pomerantz and is written a book on this issue, which is going out next week the publication of this book at the protocols allotted consummation the da's office, but the biggest nevertheless coming out. mark, palmer said this is beyond 60 minutes. and then his first live interview, his first live interview was gonna be here with me. this time next week, so most of that in a calendar for next monday night, i think that's gonna be kind of a big deal. all right, much more ahead here tonight, stay with us. t, stay with us. >> woman: why did we choose safelite? >> vo: driving around is how we get our baby to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we trusted the experts.
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announces, community of the names of everyone involved, the officers,, firefighters, anybody that was on the same they're complicit in his murder everyone that was that it and render aid, tell them tell someone to stop, and that we should get help, they are all complicit. >> anyone didn't render aid, anybody who was there, they're all complicit. -- after police body cam
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surveillance video, showing absolutely merciless send a beating that killed him. since that video was released on friday, memphis police now say they have suspended two more officers, be on the five that we previously knew about, they said these two officers relieved of duty the day after tyrell's, died in before the video was made public. these two officers were suspended, not fired, and that's why they're not facing charges together five officers are. also, the memphis fire department says they fired two emts, and on lieutenant, for the failure to render aid, after emts arrived on the scene, mr. nichols lay their mortally wounded, desperately in need of help. so comes as mr. nichols's family prepared to layups rest, this wednesday, the day after tomorrow will be's funeral. next week, mr. nichols parents been invited to attend the state of the union, to be a guest of stephen horsford, who
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leads the congressional black caucus, if they choose to go. it is potus visuals going on in memphis in places as far flung as chicago also what we're seeing here is a vigil at a skate park in sacramento california where mr. nichols is from. we'll let you know more as we learn more will keep an eye on those gatherings tonight. joining us now is vicky terry she's executive director of the memphis branch of the naacp. and so being here, i know this is really difficult, time and as a lot of demands on your time. >> thanks so much, rachel appreciate you have me, -- >> since the release of the video on friday. we have learned about more suspensions of officers. fines of empties in the fire department, people who didn't render aid until capable of doing that. i have to ask what is your --
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>> i'm not surprised, because i heard there will be more people fired, or disciplined. not rendering aid, so i figured there had been more they would be disciplined, i'm not sure what they're gonna do. being charged in some cases, that's important part of accountability here. and that is a sort of a different type of accountability, right, better structural, change rather than personal accountability present but that person.
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under that's maybe a potential opening, for some bigger changes, for some large-scale progress. >> i think it should be disband, right now, they need to investigate more, because there are probably other incidents that have happened, with the scorpion units, that we don't know about, so i think an investigation easily made, into that unit, and even others that are maybe gang units, tactical units. anything that we have where we have all these officers, out here, and we don't know exactly what they're doing, is i've heard of others that amid attacks by the scorpion unit, i'm not sure myself, there are other things are going on, you always hear the rumors or whatever, so you need to do a full investigation of the scorpion unit go into internal
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affairs, to see four ports we give it to them, but have not been followed up. -- i've some come into my office past few days, after this was announced, so other people are coming forward. some of the now. >> form of accountability airing out the death of the problem, number victims number of people who may have been victimized, i had systematic broken. that's part of really addressing, what happened, victory, executive director of the memphis branch of the naacp. i know this is difficult, time thanks for being with us tonight. thank you so >> much for having me. and we'll come to you with a replacement you can trust.
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thing i would like for you in the coming days, is this headline from the washington post. justice department asks the federal elections commission to stand, and as prosecutors probe santos. what's george santos, and the stories about the justice department asking the federal elections commission, do not take any actions against congressman george santos, for any of his alleged campaign finance violations. doj's asking for, that not because they think he didn't commit tam