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-- as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. >> good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle, get ready, decisions are imminent in trump's election case. the georgia prosecutor investigating the former presidents effort to overturn the 2020 election, says she is close to announcing charging decisions, an atlanta area grand jury had been hearing testimony for a total of seven long months. they heard testimony from multiple trump allies, including michael flynn, if senator lindsey graham, possibly even former chief of staff mark meadows. today, district attorney fani willis asked a judge to delay releasing the grand jury's report on the investigation. and she gave some hints about what her next move is may be? >> we think for future defendants, to be treated fairly, it's not appropriate at this time to have this report released, i is elected attorney

have made several commitments to the public, understand the public interest around this case. at this time, in the interest of justice, and the rights of not the state, but others, we are asking that the report not be released because you having seen that report, decisions are imminent. >> imminent, the judge said he would rule on releasing the report at a later date, but for now it remains sealed. meanwhile, trump's vice president is facing new questions about his handling of classified materials. a small number of classified documents were discovered last week and mike pence's home in indiana. nbc's kristen welker has more. >> former vice president mike pence's legal team revealing a small number of classified documents were inadvertently taken to pence's indiana home after he left the vice presidency. according to a letter, his legal team sent to the national archives, and obtained by nbc news. they say the former vp asked

events team to conduct a search, and was unaware he had the secret material in his home. it was discovered january 16th. but january 18, it was sent to the national archives. the next day, the fbi took possession of the documents, pence's team says he is cooperating fully. >> it comes after he was asked last year if you took classified documents, after leaving the vice presidency. >> i did not. >> tonight, there's a battle heating up on capitol hill. speaker kevin mccarthy has refused to let adam schiff and eric swalwell stay on the intelligence committee, despite hakeem jeffries official request. >> they won't serve on intel. hakeem jeffries has 200 other people who can serve on that committee, this is the right of the speaker. >> with, that let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel tonight, peter, baker chief white house correspondent for the new york times, greg

bluestein, a political reporter for the atlanta journal-constitution, and an msnbc political contributor, and chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and former senior fbi official. greg you have covered dea district attorney fani willis and how she handled cases. what do you think about her decision, saying that decisions are imminent on these charges. what does that mean? >> yeah, reading between the, line as the district attorney seems to suggest multiple times, that an indictment is very likely. as she, said decisions are imminent, she just mention, and continue that releasing the report can prejudice the jury against future defendants. if and perhaps when she seeks to bring criminal charges, this decision could come soon. we don't know how much longer this report will remain a secret, but the judge said that he won't make any rash decisions, but elected lawyers pattern out. so we can see some developments fairly soon in this case. >> chuck, the fact that he does not want to report released now,

what does that tell you about what we can have upcoming? >> i think that's exactly the right thing for a prosecutor to do, stephanie. if you have a pending criminal case -- if you are going to charge people with crimes -- you don't want to lay out in the public in advance of your discovery obligations in court, the theory of your case. the folks we just spoke with, what they said -- that gives mischief makers room for mischief. by the way, the other reason you want to keep a report like this out of the public domain is that when you are conducting a large, complex investigation, you talked a lot of people, including people you are not going to charge. and it's not fair to them to spill those details into the public. so, she's doing exactly the right thing. prosecutors ought to keep their reports private if they have something to say. they ought to say it in open court, pursuant to the rules of procedure and evidence. so, it makes perfect sense to

me. >> so, chuck, watching this case, what type of charges might you expect? >> there could be a fraud on the state. there could be an interference in the electoral process. lots of people did lots of different things. remember as well, stephanie, it was not just mr. trump's attempts to influence the secretary of state, brad raffensperger. it was also the submission of fake electors which, in and of itself, can be either a state or federal crime. so, i agree with greg bluestein, that something seems -- focused on her statement that it will be featured defendants, as i am on her statement that decisions are imminent. as a prosecutor, i sure would not be making a big fuss about a plan to announce nothing. >> greg, given brian kemp is the current governor, the former governor, and he has stood in the way from donald trump getting his way, could he be entangled in all this once we do see the report?

n >> we know he's one of the 75 or so people interviewed. but we do not have any sort of inclination, any sort of evidence at all, that he is one of the 20 or so people that we believe to be potential targets of this criminal investigation. he was interviewed, though. he was part of the grand jury's interview inquiry. -- we know he was asked about donald trump's phone calls directly to him as well, in december of 2020, pushing him to call a special legislative section to overturn the election results. of course, we know that the governor refused to those demands to overturn the election. >> peter, even if donald trump is not indicted, but his allies are, how is that likely to go over with him? i mean, his former company cfo, allan weisselberg, is sitting in rikers island as we speak. and trump does not seem to mind. >> no. the president trump we have seen time and time again is willing to cut loose people who end up getting in trouble on

his behalf. people who have been charged, ultimately convicted, for doing things that they felt were in former president trump's interest -- and once they have been convicted, we often see the former president sort of move on. at times he has also pardoned some of them. he did that as president when he was still in office. he has no power to do that in georgia, for a state crime, even if he were to return to office and when the 2024 election. so it should be interesting to see how he reacts, again, if he is not among the defendants themselves. what was really important, though, to remember is, that the extent to which there are charges people who -- tried in some way to interfere with the election, as chuck just said, they were doing it at his behest. they were doing it at the behest of donald trump. and so whether he is charged or not, he is absolutely in the thick of this. and he has a certain responsibility, whether it's criminal or not, for what happened there. i think that is something that will be a reminder for not just a courtroom, but for historians

going down the line. b>> yeah, but trump does not care about historians. unless his -- unless it's in writing, is intent, he is just going to slide this. often think about all of the stories that look horrible for him. and he just keeps on trucking, peter. >> he does, and he may use this as another way to gin up his him. remember it's a good fundraising tool we saw just today. he put out a fundraising appeal. that about president biden's -- handling classified documents and former president trump is sitting there talking about how he's persecuted how they're coming after him how it's not the justice department, say in justice department. he's made a career, especially lately, a fundraising crowd of making self into a victim of the system. so, if there are charges in georgia, you can imagine that will feed into his grievance complex that he has been using as a political tool as he jeans up to run again next year. >> i want to talk about the documents investigation of both

donald trump and joe biden, and potentially mike pence, but before we go, there i just want to stay on what is happening in georgia. chuck rosenberg, do you believe that charges in georgia could impact special counsel jack smith? >> well, sure. look, when you have both the state and the federal investigation going on at the same time, and an overlap with evidence and documents and witnesses, ideally there is a level of coordination, stephanie, where prosecutors can talk to one another under certain circumstances, share information and share transcripts and testimony with permission from a court -- i hope, given the similarity, given the concentric spheres of this investigation, that they are communicating with each other. we do that all the time as federal prosecutors. now, we don't always have parallel investigations. we don't always have overlaps. but when we do, we try to coordinate.

>> peter, about these classified documents. you wrote that the revelations about president biden, his documents, have been -- politically let donald trump off the hook. now that it seems that mike hence, he too has classified documents, what does that do. >> it increases the whole everyone does it defense that former president trump and his people are going to use. never mind that there are some substantial differences between what we know about president biden and vice president pence. in both cases it seems like they, on their own initiative, search for documents, discover them voluntarily, turn them over, and cooperated with authorities. it's nothing like what former president trump has done, in which he not only seemingly intentionally took documents but then refused to turn them all back over until he had -- even after being subpoenaed, until a judge finally ordered a search, under a search warrant of his place. that is very different than what we have happening with president biden and vice

president pence. but having said that, as a matter of politics, images makes it that much harder for democrats to criticize former president trump for what he did. because you can basically say, what about biden? what about everybody else? everybody does it. they are only coming after me. that, again, it may not be true. but it is effective in selling to his audience, to his supporters. and you see him again in this fundraising message just today, making that same case. g >> trump said he didn't have any documents, he said the documents belong to, him and he said that he mentally declassified them without actually expressing that anyone. chuck, what do you make of these cases? do we need to revise this system for classified documents in total? >> well, look. it's a big complex system. and in many ways, it's an honor on ours system, stephanie. people who are handling classified information, and i did it for a large part of my career, know the rules, and are supposed to abide by them. because there's so many classified documents, and so many people with security clearances, in large part it turns on trust, it turns on

folks being diligent and thoughtful and prudent the best thing you can say about trump biden and pence here, best you and say here is that they were remarkable sloppy. and i think peter makes a very important distinction. prosecutors all the time can convey our facts in one case to another case, and make those distinctions, and make judgments about who acted intentionally, who obstructed, and who ought to be prosecuted. but as a political matter, to peter's point, these things look really similar. politics does not do nuance. and so i think all of these cases complicate what the justice department has to do. because if they are going to bring a case against one but not the others, it has to be clear to the public why. and that is a very difficult thing to explain. lawyers might get it. prosecutor certainly get it. but for the public, for them to consume this, it's going to

have to be really clear, and that is hard. >> nuanced does not fit on a bumper sticker or a fund raising email. peter, last topic before we go -- the biden administration announced that they are preparing to send abrams tanks, these massive, powerful, u.s. made tanks, to ukraine. how big of a deal is this move? and how is putin likely to respond? >> it's important deal because the americans have visited -- the biden ministration has resisted sending them now for six months. they thought the tanks were not the best way to fight this war, that they are particular complicated vehicles, it would take a long time to deliver them, they did not think this was the best way to help the ukrainians fight. but they have decided in recent weeks that the leopard 2 tanks that the germans have would be, in fact, useful to the ukrainians, and that the only reason the germans would let loose those leopard tanks if the americans had put some skin in the game, in effect, by sending its own tanks. that's what they are trying to

do here. they're trying to use it as a way of trying the germans loose -- i've heard military experts say, look, this will take a long time for the tanks to get there. it could be as long as a year. and to have them trained and handled in terms of maintenance and so forth, those posed challenges city gradients. this is a war that his fought more with ukrainian -- has been up close with tanks. but having said that, it's certainly going to irritate president putin in russia. and certainly it's a sign that the west is not going to let up, that what they are telling the kremlin is, we are behind the ukrainians, whether they want us to give -- them we are going to try to give them as much as we can and we're not backing off. >> backs putin further into a corner, and puts pressure on germany, you get some more second in the game. correction, the biden administration did not officially announce the move. they may announce this move as early as wednesday. peter baker, greg bluestein, and chuck rosenberg, thanks for

starting us off tonight, when we come back, the shocking number of mass shootings in the first 24 days of this year. you know what we're not gonna do? we are not going to become numb to it. we will talk about the dangers of doing just that. we cannot shrug our shoulders. this is a crisis. and later, congress is taking on ticketmaster, or at least putting on a big show, what we heard in today's hearing, from the taylor swift ticketing disaster. democrats and republicans want action, but will anything actually happen? we'll see. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a busy tuesday. rway on a busy tuesday brother. what's up, little bro? turns out, some wishes do come true. and it turns out the general is a quality insurance company that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage- go with the general. plan a didn't work out? get plan b one-step. plan b helps prevent pregnancy before it starts, and it won't impact your ability to get pregnant in the future. find it yourself in the family planning aisle no prescription, no id.

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the archive defines a mass shooting as an incident with four or more victims shot, not including the shooter. we keep having the same conversation. but tonight, we are not going to just move on. so, let's discuss with juanita tolliver, msnbc political analyst, and host of crooked medias what the day podcast, and msnbc senior political analyst, matthew dowd. he's a former george w. bush strategist and founder of country over party. juanita, it can be very tempting to give into the numbness. there's nothing to say. let's move on. earlier tonight, i was not sure if we should cover it. but i was wrong. so, how do we treat this issue with the urgency it deserves? e >> by naming the fact that a national solution is still needed in order to prevent this from ever happening again. and the public support is there for it, stephanie. 57% of the country -- almost 60% of the country -- still believes we need stricter gun laws. and that was after the last bit

of legislation passed last year. 55% of the country still believes we need to ban capacity high magazines capacity magazines, which was used by the shooter in monterey park. and that's why think it's important we are talking about this. because more and more americans are going to feel the pain and trauma and devastation and impact of gun violence, not just in mass shootings, but in gun violence that happens every day across the country. and my big fear is, if we look away, and that's more reason for congress to not act. that's more reason for our state legislators to not act. and so, emphasizing this, and the only key to stopping the shootings, is to limit access, remove the weapons of choice that we have seen weepy today used by the shooters. that is what is going to be key here. that's the only thing that is going to change the situation. we are uniquely experiencing it in this country. >> but that's what we keep doing over and over, matt. after each of these events,

republican, say it's time for thoughts and prayers, it is too soon to politicize this tragedy. but then the new cycle moves on in 24 hours and we forget about, it until next shooting happens. >> they forget about it. hopefully we don't all forget about it. but they forget about. it and the problem -- we know what to do, as juanita laid out, we know what to do. this is not rocket science. we know exactly what to do, and we know her stats but she laid out is true even gone honors. gun owners want the same thing, as we got older want the exact thing, when you pull gun owners they want universal background checks, they want limits on weapons. they want age limits. that's gonna owners in this. the problem is, is that we have a republican party today who only is concerned with 5% of the population. and that 5% of the population is who votes or determines who is going to win their primaries. that is the problem. it's not the problem the american public wants this

done. the american public keeps rallying on this. the american public keep saying what they want. the democrats in power know that we want -- but this is, to me, an example of the structure that exists today, and how it is aligned. it's not a democratic structure today. we don't have a democratic structure today if the vast majority of the country wants this done and it is not getting done, something is fundamentally broken in our system. fundamentally broken in our system -- and this is an area i wish -- i mean, we can go to any number of nine, ten, 12 other countries who are not having this problem. and say, what did y'all do? what do y'all do here? and they would list off the exact same things that juanita just listed off, that they do, and they have none of these problems. and so having a show on this, talking about, this is important. speaking out -- it continues to be important on this. but in the end, until the republican party moves off the 5% and pays attention to the

majority, we are going to keep having this problem. >> juanita, here's my head-scratcher, though. when people say we can't politicize gun violence, isn't that exactly what we need to do? if this endless tragedy is not enough for a political solution, a change in government policy, what would be? >> right. and we see the trauma -- look, let's be real. after sandy hook, i thought something would happen. but dead children in a school, did teachers in a school, is inconsistent insufficient for the republican party to say no to the nra, to reject the donations, to do what is right to actually save lives. and that was more than ten years ago now. and what is wild to me is that there seems to be no ceiling here. nothing will ever be too much for the republican party to turn their backs from the nra. as matt was talking about, this is dumb is fundamentally broken. this is dumb is related to, again, donors having control,

and full industries having control of what legislators are committed to doing, and setting boundaries on what they won't touch. and sadly, gun violence prevention is that third rail for the republican party. they live and die by that nra rating. and that needs to change. because what they need to prioritize is the needs of their communities. i don't know what the hell is going to make them up, stephanie ruhle. >> stephanie -- i wanted to say something about the thoughts and prayers thing. every time i hear it, i get so irritated, every time you, hear it -- on a given example, the damar hamlin goes down on the field. -- what if someone said no medics, we're offering thoughts and prayers. and then a medical ambulance comes and they say, no, no, no, no. we are giving him thoughts and prayers. and we look at, it we could've done all these things that we knew exactly what to do. damar homeland passes away, and

we are like, well, we offered thoughts and prayers. that's exactly what we are doing with gun violence. we know what to do. thoughts and prayers -- i'm all for thoughts and prayers. but thoughts and prayers require action. and until we follow thoughts and prayers with action, we are going to keep having these deaths after deaths after deaths across the country. and it is a uniquely american exceptionalism stick exceptionalism thing. not that we are saving lives. but lives are dying violently. and it's only in america. g >> wow, matthew dowd, we are gonna give you the last word, and that one. juanita tolliver, matthew dowd, thank you both so much. and before we go, we do want to mention the justice department filed a second antitrust lawsuit, against google earlier today. this time targeting the advertising are in the business with the accusation that they monopolize the 250 billion dollar u.s. digital ad market. the company was already facing allegation that he is monopoly power, to cut off internet,

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capitalist system, you have to have competition. you can't have too much consolidation, something that unfortunately for this country, as an ode to taylor swift, i will say, we know all too well. >> massive just that ticket master look in the mirror and say, i'm the problem. it's me. >> i think it's a nightmare dress like a daydream. i don't think we've got to go there. >> a few million taylor swift fans would respond, this is why we can't have nice things. >> karma is relaxing thought, aren't you envious that for you it's not. that's all i've got to say, thank you. >> senators, extremely cringey messages to ticketmaster today. look what you made me do. really corny jokes aside, the companies taylor swift presale debacle jury so much attention that it reignited monopoly

concerns on the hill. nbc's savannah sellers has the details. >> two months out of the chaotic presale of taylor swift 's era presale. cause bladder bad blood bitter catastrophic swifties. >> i really wanted to see taylor. >> today, the ceo of live nation, ticketmaster's parent company, it was in the hot seat. >> we apologize to the fans, we apologize to ms. swift. -- >> on cyber attacks and bought traffic. >> this led to a terrible consumer experience, which we deeply regret. >> but lawmakers pushed back. >> our critical infrastructure in this country, whether it is utilities, electric, water, they get blocked robot attacks every single day, by the thousands. by the thousands. and they figured it out, but you guys haven't? this is unbelievable.

>> they also challenged the company's combination concert promotion, venue ownership, and ticket sales, calling it a monopoly. >> the fact of the matter is, that live nation, ticketmaster, is the 800 pound gorilla here. it's a monopolistic mess. >> our next guest was able to get his hands on for tickets in the way way up there nosebleeds action for taylor swift's l.a. show this fall. but that's not good enough. let's welcome mat bellamy, he covers money and power in hollywood, and his former editor of the hollywood reporter. matthew, so good to see you. let's break this, down the company promised to do better, but what is the actual mechanism that will force them to do so. when i'm screaming at my children, they are like, oh, oh, i'm going to do better. and as soon as i'm done screaming, they go back to their bad behavior. >> that's absolutely right, because so far, the really has been no incentive. these two companies were

allowed to merge in 2010, there is a consent decree put in place. they violated that consent decree, multiple times, and then the consent decree was extended in 2019, and it's now up in 2025. the question is, what will happened then? are they going to extended again or are they going to end it? where they're going to do something more than just a slap on the wrist here? are they going to actually refer this and have the justice department get involved here. ? and potentially even unwind that merger. >> could they do that? when this thing expires in 2025, could lock makers say, you know what, forget it? you are out. >> it can, and it's more of a justice department thing. obviously, there can be legislation that's drafted. and amy klobuchar was actually teasing that today and saying that a lot of this stuff could be dealt with via legislation. but the government can go back into a merger at any time and

say, well, listen, this did not end up the way we thought it would. it's very rare. and ticketmaster and live nation and its owner have always -- you know, when you talk to them, they will say, but we can pete here. we compete here. we compete here. that may be true. but big picture, you look at this from the consumers perspective, the dominant concert promoter owns the dominant ticketing service. and many of the venues -- and for a lot of, people that does not smell very good. >> dominant is an understatement. but here's the thing. it has not smells good forever and ever. you and i are old enough to remember that it was almost 30 -- 30, that eddie vetter, of pearl jam, testified in the house on the same issues. and look what it has gotten done. it's only gotten worse. >> yeah. and guess who uses ticketmaster these days. pearl jam. i mean, it's an unstoppable force in this business. and yes, there are

alternatives. but they have really worked into the system. it's so easy for these venues to use the system from ticketmaster and from live nation, that most of them just do it without intimidation and the senators are right they don't even need to intimidate because it is implicit. it is implicit because they are so dominant. is there any real political will on both sides of the aisle to do something here? after tomorrow, are they going to shake it off? god, i'm just as bad as they are. i'm just as bad as they are. >> i was going to make a joke about how crazy those jokes were. and obviously, they are playing to the constituents here. and this is one of the river issues that is a bipartisan issue. you had blumenthal, the senator complementing the comments from the southern republicans, which you rarely see in a judiciary hearing. i think that's the question here. is this just lip service to

gain some votes amongst parents and kids that are fed up with this? or are they actually going to do something about this? and i'm not sure they're going to actually do something. this may just be grandstanding, slap on the wrist, and then they go back and and into, three, four years, we will be talk about this all over again. >> which is exactly what we see when you make a big deal, and their hall in the social media ceos, they yell and scream at them, then the next day comes and nothing happens. becausere those tech giants, hae huge lobbying efforts, to these companies have the huge lobbying presence in washington? or are people not paying attention? >> live nation, does and its ceo michael rapinoe, is a very savvy operator. it is very strong relationships. but as we've seen in other arenas of antitrust law. the biden administration has shown a willingness to go there in certain aspects. the biden administration sued to block a merger of two publishing companies. there are other, areas when we look at what's going on with google right, now --

there's a new day and anti-trust. and it may be that you see a little bit more activity in the space, then he would have say three or four years ago. >> this google antitrust one could be a big one. matt belloni it's so good to see. it's been too long. >> absolutely. >> when we come back -- republicans are taking aim at bread and butter programs baby boomers rely on. but do those baby boomers even no it? do they know their representatives want to cut their lifelines? their safety nets? we're gonna dig into, it when the 11th hour continues. need a backup plan? get plan b one-step. plan b helps prevent pregnancy before it starts by temporarily delaying ovulation—and you can resume your regular birth control right away.

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>> -- talk about the extreme republican economic plans. apparently they were genuinely serious about cutting social security, cutting medicare. >> house republicans have made it clear, they are committed to cutting spending and some have hinted they are looking at making big changes to social security and medicare. but earlier this month, a speaker mccarthy made it sound like those programs, they were going to be safe. >> the one thing i will tell you, us republicans, we will always protect medicare and social security. we will protect that for the next generation going forward. >> well, that is what he said a few weeks, ago but today the washington post reports the house gop is already focusing on a proposals to significantly change those programs. according to the post, the government, says some 66

million seniors are on social security, and more than 59 million people are in the medicare plan. so let's discuss with national columnist for the washington post, and author of the aftermath. the last days of the baby, boom and the future of power in america this new book is out today. philip bump, older americans are a huge part of the gop's voting base, do they even know that they are lawmakers, the ones they support, the ones they vote for could be looking to cut or change social security and medicare the safety, gnats nets, the lifeline many seniors rely on? >> yeah i think there is long been a disconnect between the awareness of our elected officials are doing, and -- what elected officials are doing. in part that is because elected officials are very careful about talking about things in ways that can be excerpted to have them presenting an unpopular opinion, so you see kevin mccarthy, saying things like we will not touch these, and perhaps later rationalize

that saying what we did is change this particular rule to reduce spending. one of the things that was fascinating about the emergence of donald trump in 2016, he is was very specific in combatting his party's ongoing narrative, which was very explicit, not in the way that mccarthy was. it was very explicit, particularly at that, time and part of that is because they recognize their base was getting older. republicans were getting, older, get into retirement age, and we actually saw a decrease and cheddar on the right about these issues as being priorities. so it is not surprising they want to cut them, if they want to cut spending, they almost have to cut that if they want to significantly affect spending. but it's also not surprising they would try and moderate the way in which they talk about it publicly. and their base. >> well let's talk about these boomers, because right in the beginning of the, book you write, the boom started, the boom and then we have been dealing with a shockwave ever since. what does that mean? >> well, you have to think about the fact that in 1940, 1945, there's -- >> i don't think that much about 1945. >> now is the time to start.

so, over the course of the next 19 years, 76 million kids were born, that is more than 50% of the population before the boom. that is a huge disruption to the united states. you have to build more schools, find jobs for them when they graduate, you have them going to college, they have to do something, there are all these ways in which the boom breaks american systems. american systems has to be reshaped around, them and that continues today. we forget the boom was so, big and it was such a big part of the population, until we get to the point where now they'll retire, and we have to take care of them as older americans. >> but they are not the biggest generation anymore, millennials are. so why do boomers still have such a disproportionate amount of power and control, because they are the ones in office? >> to some extent, yes. but also because they are forcing conversations that did not have to happen until now. again, yes, they are smaller than the used, to be that is -- natural attrition that occurs. but it is still the case we have far more old people now than we, still we have to accommodate them. what we also have is a boomer generation that is older, that is now for the first time having to compete with a

similarly sized generation. you have to compete for resources, it used to be whatever the boomers need it is, so what death the boomers. now the millennials also need childcare, education, that is competing for federal funding, state funding, local funding, and the boomers aren't used to that. >> you spent a significant part of this book focused on the state of florida, what can the sunshine state tell us about the future of politics? >> it's a weird state. >> it is an unusual state. it is fascinating. it is interesting as well, because it's also almost a microcosm of -- , making a big studies, rural area, steps the conservative, various democratic, areas you also have a demography that also mirrors very closely what the census bureau expects america broadly to look like in 2060. very high density of hispanics. older people. but we will continue to get older. so florida looks demographically like with the census demographics of america will look like. does that mean american politics will look like florida politics? probably not. because florida has very unique characteristics to its demography.

but it's still something to keep an eye, and simply as representation of the way in which america's expected change. >> less alligators in other parts of the country. >> presumably, but global, warming, you never know. >> that is true. right here on the show we like to say, the truth matters, but only if you hear it. and throughout this book, you bust a whole lot of myths, political myths that are out there, and there is one that people often assume, and voters to become more conservative the older they get. for fact sake, can you tell us if this is actually the truth? >> there are two qualifiers i would say. i would say, first of all, no, it's not not really well-established that is the consistent pattern. in part, because we do not have that much social science research that goes back quite far. in part, because what we need i mean by conservative, changes over time. conservatives 20 years ago are not necessarily -- conservative on the same positions that they that they would be today. but, also one of the things i think is really important to remember, the anchor american population is much more democratic, not only because they're, younger but also because they are much less --

densely white than older americans. you have a lot more hispanics and african americans -- asian americans, groups which tend to vote more democratic anyway. so we have never seen a, young diverse population get old. so, we don't know if they are going to continue to be more democratic, more heavily democratic voting, even if that were true than in the past. this is always been a pattern. -- this is such a unique and different generation and i don't think that necessarily holds. anyway >> and the definition of conservative is a really important point. it's changing right before our eyes. congratulations on your new book. thanks for coming out. appreciate it. philip bump -- when we, quebec new zealand's prime minister gracefully bows out of leadership. her advice for her successor that the whole world should hear tonight, when the 11th hour continues. hour continues like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down. and my patents say: “you know doc, it really works."

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simply because of the gender. >> because the last thing before we go tonight, you do you. that clip was a prime example of the kind of no nonsense leadership we saw from jacinda ardern these past five and a >> -- the scenes half years. prime minister on order made her final public tuesday. she shocked the world last week with knew she would be stepping down, saying she does not believe he has the energy to continue the. job jacinda ardern made history in 2017 when she was elected at the young age of 37, making her the youngest woman to ever lead new zealand. 2018, she became the second world leader in modern history to give while she was in office. during her time as pm, she was praised for her leadership during some incredibly challenging times. after the 2019 christchurch terror attack she successfully led the way to significant gun reform. in march of 2020, she critically closed her country's borders, and managed to keep new zealand largely covid free, until last year. in her final appearance as prime minister, she reflected on her time in office, and lift the incoming prime minister --

with this sound advice. >> you do you. this is for him, now it is for him to carve out his own space, his own kind of leader. i would hate for anyone to view my departure as a negative commentary on new zealand. i have experienced such love, compassion, -- empathy and kindness when i've been in this job. it has been my predominant experience, so i leave feeling gratitude having this wonderful role for -- so many years. >> you do you. she is a legit -- badass. but jacinda ardern will not be completely leaving politics. she remains an mp for mount albert, saying she still has duties to perform for her constituents. well, we say, well done, jacinda ardern, we wish you luck in your next chapter and admire you from the other side of the world. and on that note, i wish you