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and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation, pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. announcer: and now, "bbc news" >> hello is the context. >> conflicting claims between hamas and local aid workers and the israeli defee forces. hamas claims of some of the dead were executed, had their hands tied and were dumped in mass graves. >> the examination was carried out respectfully while maintaining the dignity of the deceased. bodies were examined which did not belong to israeli hostages and they were returned their place. >> we are horrified also by the destruction of a medical complex
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and the reports of the discovery of mass graves in and around facilities. we call for independent, effective, transparent investigations into the deaths. ♪ >> the u.n. human rights chief says he is horrified by the destruction at gaza hospitals, reports of bodies being pulled from mass graves with hands tied. what can we verify? we have a special report. joe biden has signed a $61 billion support package for ukraine. also passing the president's death, -- desk,egislation that will ban tick-tock or force its sale. we will keep an eye on columbia
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university where house speaker mike johnson will call for the president of the college to resign. a very good evening. the u.n.'s human rights chief has called for an independent investigation into distraction at two of the main hospitals in gaza. palestinian officials say they have exhumed the bodies of almost 300 people at the hospitals, many of them buried in mass graves and were found within the medical complex. the israel defense forces describe those reportss baseless and unfounded. the bbc has been investigating and you may find some of the scenes distressing. >> blasted into brokenness. a world of rubble and death. from above. and on the ground and below the ground, the searching of the
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graves. for four days, this woman has moved through the overpowering stench of the massraves at the hospital, the mother of a 21-year-old killed in january. >> i have been coming here all the time until now, until i found the body of my son, my son, my cherished little boy, his mother's love. he lost his father when he was 12 and i raised him. >> the graves are now at the center of conflicting claims between hamas and local aid workers on one side and the israel defense forces on the other. hamas claims some of the dead were executed and had their hands tied and were dumped in mass graves. the israelis described these allegations as baseless, saying they had opened existing graves to check for dead israeli
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hostages. >> the examination was carried out respectfully while maintaining the dignity of the deceased. bodies were examined and which did not belong to israeli hostages and they were returned to their place. >> colleagues at bbc arabic have verify the existence of graves at the hospitals before the idf begin its operations. very like this because staff could not reach cemeteries due to fighting in the area. today, the u.n. human rights director for the palestinian territories said there had to be an independent investigation to get to the truth. >> we have information and that information needs to be corroborated from different sources. it is exactly why we do need an international investigation.
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what we cannot allow in this current situation where we have seen numerous grave human rights violations, many potentially war crimes, and where he -- we have raised attention about potential war crimes. >> this woman retrieved her husband's body at the hospital and was able to bury him with his relatives. his daughter is struggling to hundreds -- understand his absence. >> he loved me, she says, and used to buy things for me. he used to take me out. >> they will be searching and burying here for days and all over gaza the dying continues. bbc news, jerusalem. >> meanwhile, new satellite images are appearing of tented
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camps in southern gaza being prepared to receive people currently sheltering in and around rafah. the before and after pictures show rows of tents set up to the west of karn eunice. according to the israeli government, the defense ministry has procured 40,000 of these tents each with the capacity for 10 to 12 people. the evacuation is roughly expected to take a month. the idf will move troops into rafah. let me just show you pictures from new york. the un security council has reconvened its meetings and i know that humanitarian aid is top of the agenda tonight, so we will keep our eye on that and maybe some comment on those
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pictures we are getting, some of the preparations being made for a further expansion of the conflict into rafah. now, officers from the national crime agency say they have arrested three men here on suspicion of immigration offenses, following the news that five migrants died trying to cross the channel to the u.k. a seven-year-old girl was among the victims. they were loaded onto an overcrowded boat carrying more than 100 people. the home secretary went to see for himself the work being done to stop the smuggling gangs. he sent this messa. >> this is a global challenge. this is a global problem. it demands global solutions. that is why as well as the work we are doing in the u.k., we are working with international rtners to break the business model of these people smuggler -- smuggling gangs that are operating across europe and across the channel a make sure we stop things. >> concerns have been expressed in europe and within the u.n.
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that the bill passed monday breaes international law. they are calling on the u.k. government to reconsider its plan. the conservative mp from bournemouth east is with us, he voted for the bill on monday night. thank you very much for being with us. when it first came to the floor of the house, the question you asked was can you confirm that this bill if it receives royal dissent will not breach international law? let me put that same question to you. yes or no? >> good evening to you and you just heard him speaking, he was the first when i questioned and his response was that absolutely does conform to international law. that has been a concern by many of us on the back benches throughout this entirety of the bill. it came up in the lords as well. it sucked oxygen away from other
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aspects of tightening the wider illegal migration challenges. they were stressing this is a global challenge, so dealing with the problems -- >> some would say, some would say that france is a safe country as of the countries that many of the people who have passed through. by shifting responsibility for refugees, reducing the u.k. court's ability to scrutinize removal decisions, restricting access to legal remedies and limiting the scope of domestic and international human rights protections, this new legislation seriously hinders the rule of law in the u.k. what do you make of that? >> on practical measures, individual cas will have an appeal process and an individual
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minister or attorney general will make a judgment on that. our treaty insisted on it being applied continually as well. there is an independent monitoring committee so officers in the u.k. and rwanda will have oversight to make sure that it is compliant and it does work well. i do stress that it has taken a lot of oxygen. it has dominated the news headlines. it is only one element of a wider package of measures we need to focus on and that is i think what everybody is working to get back to, is the wider issues that we are facing here. but also -- you talked about france interestingly and the fact that it is a safe country, but if france doesn't look after these people, they will try to get across the channel. more asylum-seekers apply in france than in britain as well.
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it is a european challenge. >> were you concerned given that we are getting 500 million to the french government over three years, were you concerned of -- to see the police not going into the shallow waters to stop the boat? >> i haven't seen those particular pictures. i did see some of the pictures from the bbc yesterday, which did show people preventing people from leaving the beach and others showing that the french coast guard were doing their job as well, so clearly more needs to be done. this isn't going to go away. this isn't going to be some utopian answer. i stress that unless we deal with the challenges at the source, the poor governance and poor security in countries whether it be somalia or libya, iraq, syria, afghanistan, and now sudan -- you can add that to the list as well.
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unless there is a global effort to provide support to prevent these countries from fragmenting and falling apart and then individuals taking the toughest of decisions- >> i do want to talk defense, but i have one last question on this since you were involved and you servedn afghanistan. there were previous demands for this bill to include an exemption from removal for those afghan nationals who assisted british troops. in the end, that amendment was dropped. are you confident there is still a robust legal pathway for those who risked their lives served alongside our troops? >> yes, the deputy foreign minister answered this question very robustly. he was asked why do we have to add this on to confirm? the arab scheme already offers that avenue for those who worked closely with the british armed forces, putting their lives in danger. >> but it has been mired by
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chronic mismanagement and it has resulted in a backlog of applications and some live in fear of being bottled up through rwanda. >> i think we need to distinguish between those simply applying now to come to britain and those who did have a genuine connection with the british armed forces. many of the people had been looked after. it does raise a bigger question which we don't have time for but the fact that we have been neglecting afghanistan and t 40 million people there are being left behind. wise greater support not being provided? >> which may lead to more migrants trying to get here. let's move on to defense. i'm sure you welcome the spending left the prime minister announced on his way to germany. his defense of the realm is a
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key priority, then why is it pegged at 2030? why are we not putting it on a war footing now and giving them resources now to match the threat? >> well, it takes time to build things, that is the direct swer to that. if you ask the army whathey want, they say more tanks, more personnel, the navy wants more service fleet, and the raf wants more airplanes. we need to understand what are the threats coming over the horizon. the prime minister may that really clear. this is a mindset change. we are recognizing that the global threat picture is deteriorating. as we face an increasingly difficult decade ahead with adversaries pursuing competing agendas, we have to recognize
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that our defense posture needs to change. what are the growing threats, the modern threats we face and you adjust to a defense posture accordingly. this is a clarion call not just for the defense industry to say you need to move on to a war footing, but also to britain in general to recognize this era of security we have enjoyed the last three decades is over and we have entered a bumpy aronow. britain needs to ste forward as we have done in the past. we can only do that if we upgrade our defense posture. >> it has taken some time to get there though. since you mentioned china, the u.s. secretary of state is there today in beijing and say he is no longer prepared to tolerate china's sale of weapon components shipped to russia and are helping vladimir putin modernize his armed factories. are we doing any better? >> well, we are because we have just invested an awful lot of
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military hardware and equipment to ukraine. >> know, but in stopping the use of dual-purpose equipment getting to russia. are we stepping that out? are we stopping that export of key components to russia that would have got there before the war started? >> i don't know the details before that, i will just simply stress that the prime minister has also announced the fact that ukraine is doing the ghting for us. putin is now the most powerful leader in europe and he is on a mission to emulate his hero stalin to expand his influence in eastern europe and if we don't stop him and ukraine, he will advance further. >> i get that and we are spending a lot of money on that, but the facts show that while the u.k. exports to russia have fallen sharply, the u.k. exports to a range of former soviet satellite states, they have gone up, they have risen at over 1100%. exports of machinery and
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vehicles, which can of course be exported then on to russia. so we are spending a lot of money on the front-end, but we are not doing an awful lot to stop him retooling and re-equipping his army. >> well, i have been there not long ago and i asked the very question whether they are introducing bills to make sure it doesn't get through and i hope we say would undermine our support for ukraine. russia is out gunning ukraine 521. i'm pleased to the americans are now putting their money forward after six months delayed. there is going to be a russian offensive and if they are able to claim success, it will have a knock on impact to european security and our economy in the u.k. as well. that is the reason why we are investing into .5%. it also requires us to have a
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small defense review to understand where we invest that money so it is wisely spent. >> grateful for your time this evening, thank you for coming on. >> thank you. >> around the world and across the u.k., you are watching bbc news. for her you gave you are still with us, let's have look at stories making headlines today. a teenager has been arrested and three injured after he reported stabbing incident at a south wales school forced the facility into lockdown. the school governor said two of the injured were members of staff and the third was a pupil. police have not given any updates on their condition. four people have been injured in several vehicles damaged after five runaway horses raced through london this morning. the horses belonged to the household cavalry and were thought to have been spooked by building work. they unseated writers before racing through the capital. all the animals were recovered and returned to base.
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the mp leader jeffrey donaldson has appeared in court over sexual offense charges under heavy police presence. it is the first time mr. donaldson has appeared in court since his arrest in march. he was eyed as leader of the party and was suspended shortly after. he has denied all allegations. well, as you were just hearing from tobias ellwood, after six months of delays in washington, the u.s. has approved the ukraine bill, this afternoon it was signed into law by president biden. it releases $61 billion in funding for the war effort, a further $9 billion will go toward humanitarian support. the first strontium that support, as you can see from that list, is already on its way and it is a pretty extensive list. the president was clear about what it all means for those serving on the frontline. >> they are cheering as they watch the houseboat the support for ukraine.
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it is not like they don't understand what we have done. it is not like they don't understand what has been critical. we don't merely watch global events unfold, we shape them. that is what it means to be an indispensable nation. that is what it means to be the world's superpower. >> some equally good news from berlin. the u.k. and german governments have pledged to support ukraine rishi sunak in the german chancellor olaf scholz agreed and industrial program to new artillery systems. more than 8 million pounds. that miller he aid cannot come soon enough if you are one of the troops on the front lines. i'm joined by a journalist who has just returned from the
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front. his documentary about the front in kyiv is about to premiere in london. te me where you have been and what you have seen on the frontline. >> yes, so i was in the east of ukraine toward the end of march really trying to find out what the situation was like particularly with regard to ammunition. i was fortunate enough to embed with a self-propelled artillery crew somewhere in the eastern front. i won't give away the specific location for what i'm about to say. the situation with them was critical at the end of march. they had 90 shells for nine artillery pieces across 20 kilometers of frontline. that was not 90 shells per day or per week. that was 90 shells total with nothing else expected to arrive and nothing having arrived for months. you know, the position really was, can you hold your own positions? they said very simply, no, we can't even do counter battery
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fire if the russians advance here. we have toetreat because we don't have the ammunition to defend ourselves. so it was very bad at that point. so this news can't come soon enough for those men on the front lines. >> i'm trying to understand the dilemma if you are in that position. they are instructed to hold the line, you have 90 rounds left. how do you ration your rounds in a situation like that when who decides when to fire and how much of it to fire? >> look, this is what i was asking them and i published this in my article recently in foreign policy. they said very starkly, the only way we have managed to stabilize the front lines is through ukrainian lives. the bravery and sacrifice of those men is what held those lines and stopped the russians pushing forward in that particular area. look, this has had a real cost. these delays in congress have had a real cost in ukrainian lives. that is the bottom line from all
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of this. >> joe biden said they were cheering and ukraine and i'm sure they were and i'm sure it is a huge boost to morale, but we talked about the draft. i was making the point that you only come forward and offer to fight if you believe you have a chance of surviving and making a diffence. do you think the two go together? does the resupply of the ukrainians and the success or otherwise of that mobilization? >> yes, look. i don't think there is anything anyone in the west needs to concern themselves with with ukrainian will to fight. it is the strong as it ever has been, but they have been taking a real battering because they haven't had the ammunition to defend themselves. that is the worst possible situation they can be in. the truth is they are a smaller nation fighting against a much smaller, much more powerful foe. the only way they could ever win
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this conflict or even stand a chance of not losing is with the support of allies large enough to take on the economic and military might of a country like russia. and that has been a mixed success. there have been real difficulties kyiv has had in convincing allies to send things, systems, f-16s, tanks, artillery, all of this stuff took ages before it was finally released to ukraine. and at certain points, it has been far too late, as with this latest tranch of artillery shells. it has been months without artillery and ukraine and they have suffered as a result of it. air defense ammunition, they have also suffered manually -- massively because they haven't had the ammunition to shoot down russian missiles in russia can afford to saturate the sky with cheap drones and missiles while ukraine only has a limited
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number of western patriots and antiaircraft batteries that are able to use. >> one of the things that is never really been sorted out here in the west is offensive weapons. the german chancellor talked about they are not prepared to send it. it is a longer-range missile. how do they feel on the front lines about taking the fight to russia in logistic bases across the border? briefly. >> look, the ukrainians are long beyond this question. this is a question for western capitals to worry about. the ukrainians will do what is necessary to win the war and if that means fighting in russia than 100% they will fight in russia when they need to. >> i'm really grateful for you coming on tonight, best of luck with the premiere of your film, which is about the invasion of kyiv and will continue to focus on ukraine through the program tonight. the panel will be talking about these latest list of arms that
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is already on its way to the front line. we take a short break and on the other side of that break, we will focus on a situation on university campuses. announcer: funding for presentation of this program is provided by... financial services firm, raymond james. bdo. accountants and advisors. cunard is a proud supporter of public television. announcer: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation, pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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