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announcer: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation, pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. announcer: and now, "bbc news" christian: hello, i'm christian fraser and this is "the context" fortunate. >> today is a landmark moment in our plan to stop the votes. the safety of rwanda bill has passed in parliament and it will become law within days. >> there's a real battle going on on the beach here. mush more than 100 migrants trying to get to the water. they're lighting off firecrackers to try and keep police away from them. >> a new tragedy occurred at a boat overloaded with migrants
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early this morning at around 5:00 a.m. >> there's no doubt that we have to stop these small boat crossings. the government has lost control of the borders. christian: five dead attempting to cross the english channel, including a child. a report from cala tonight on those trying to get here and the authorities trying to stop them. the death came just hours after the u.k. passed a rwanda bill. and, of course, we'll check in tonight on the donald trump trial in new york where prosecutors have presented crucial evidence today on the alleged 2016 conspiracy. a very good evening. the new aslum -- asylum bill
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that was passed by the british government has been described by the prime minister as a fundamental change in the global equation on migration. within hours it was clear how much a change was deeded. five people including a child died when they fell off a bolt trying to cross the candle. minorities rescued others. those are the chaotic scenes on a beach near calais just before daybreak as nigh grant attempted to launch an overcrowded boat into the waves to beginning begin that journey across the channel. there were 110 people onboard when it set off. search and wreck operations has been ongoing all day. a british film crew saw the migrants getting onto the boat, reporting that shortly after the
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boat went into the sea, the engine failed. >> a skirmish early this morning on a french beach. >> we're just running to catch up with some migrants here. >> the police are trying to stop a small boat from leaving the shore. it turns violent. and the police are failing. the beaumont is dangerously overloaded. >> it looks like the migrants who did get onto that boat are in trouble. >> but as we watch, we have no idea that people on board are dying, including a 7-year-old girl. to understand how this happened, we need to go back to yesterday afternoon, the crowds jostling at the bus station in calais, anxious to get to the beaches outside town, the smugglers muscling in. if forecast is for a clear night in the channel, perfect conditions for a crossings.
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put off by news that they might be put off from entering britain by rwanda. >> are you worried that you might be sent to rwanda by the british? >> no, if it's safe and i can ststudy in a wanda, that's fine. >> you hear that? but it is not stopping you today? >> know, the i'm not stopping. >> waiting for migrants along the coastline, a hi-tech force founded now by britain which is spending millions of pounds on droves and other gear to help police find the small boats. yet, compared to last year, the number of crossings has risen. we need more statue and more funding. our offices are brave but the number of people getting on each boat is rising.
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official footage of french border police in the channel earlier this year. a difficult rescue operation in rough seas as the number of attempted crossings rises, so does the death toll among migrants. adding to the sense of crisis here, a new development. hundreds of vietnamese have recently begun ape leaving at the coast. we met this group camped in a forest. >> the vietnamese people here seem quite confused about where they're going. they don't even know if they're supposed to end up in england. all they tell us is that they were escaping from gangsters back in vietnam who they owe money to. the two years ago it was albanian migrants. now it's these people from vietnam swelling the numbers. and so two events overnight. we head to a beach south of calais, a popular launch spot for small boats and we sit for hours in the moonlight and wait.
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there's somebody walking there. i can hear somebody walking nearby there. two shadows, almost certainly smugglers come to check we're not police. hello. above us, a police plane circles. we've arranged for a bbc cameraman to be on board. migrants on their thermal of imaging camera. they're in the sand dunes and moving towards each other. on the beach, a french foot patrol quickly arrives. surely the migrants will give up now, but they don't. suddenly the beach erupts in shouting. >> ok, we are running with the phyllis as they try to intercept a group of, looks like 60 or 70 migrants.
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and now things turn violent, fireworks thrown at the police. several young men pulling out crude weapons. you can see the smugglers here. some have sticks. they're trying to protect migrants as they head towards the sea to stop the police from stopping them. and it works. a few stragglers are left behind but the boat is allowed to move out towards open water. look at the child on someone's shoulders on the right. could the french police he done more to stop this? we ask one official. >> we're not allow to go in the water, he reapplies. did you notice they had sticks and therwere children too so we had to be careful. boat is wildly overloaded.
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on the right, you can see another child but let out in an orange life jacket. somewhere in the scrum, a 6-year-old girl's last moments. it sounds like someone crying for help. rescue boats do arrive a little later. the five dead are taken away. but half the passengers on the inflatable stay onboard and later head off towards the english coast. christian: andrew harding reporting from the calais benefits beaches. no sooner had the u.k. passed itself bill last night than the united nations called on the for to alter the plan. the u.n. high commissioner for human rights want the u.k. to
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focus instead on "practical measures." but richie sunak reaffirmed his belief today that this is the best deterrent and soon he thinks other countries will follow suit. foreign secretary james cherry traveled to one of the gateways into europe to see how the effort u.'s border agency has been working. prime minister moloney promised theleft hook rate a solution to this problem and she struck a deal with albana, who will process the claims of some 3,000 asylum seekers. also today, representatives from denmark. the danish parliament passed legislation allowing it to send migrants to a third country for processing three years ago. no flights have ever taken off for rwanda and the plan stalled under political pressure. so no doubt they'll be watching
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slowly to see what the reaction is to this legislation and crucially, whether it works. we can hear from the danish immigration minister reacting to the new u.k. law today. >> we are working to solve the problem at the european level and to create cooperation at the effort u. countries to stop it will also mean that we stop the human trafficking of thousands of people who die every year and that will be a better solution than if denmark does it alone. we are ready to go at it ourselves and there is no solution at the european level. so now a number of e.u. countries want to see hugh we can make it a completely new refugee system that is not is christian: very interesting. let's speak to the chair of the danish immigration and integration committee. he's also a member of the social democrats political party in
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denmark and he, too, has been in italy today. if you thank you for joining us on the program. do you think thewanda bill that the british government passed last night is an eff effective deterrent? >> i don't know. i think it's too early to say but we'll be watching closely. christian: why has denmark not used the legislation that was passed in 2021? there is now a legal option open to the government to send asylum seekers to a third country so what has happened in the interim? >> we believe that the is the need in europe and in the e.u. for collaboration on this matter so we have tried to work out a solution with other e.u. countries and north african countries to make a good solution so that denmark
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wouldn't stand alone o this matter. christian: are you suggesting this third country option and do you think other countries in europe are looking at that same plan? >> it is still our plan to use the third country option. we believe it's the best way but we believe that we have to do it with other countries in the e.u. and we hope to be able to do that in the near future. christian: so is richie sunak right then that is is a new moment in the evolving migration plan? do you believe that now that the u.k. has gone first, other countries will follow? >> i think it's too early to say. i think we will work together with the other countries of the effort u. denmark still a member of the effort u. and we believe that that's the best way to solve
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this, with collaboration. christian: you've been in italy. the library party he say there is an alternative way to break the business model of the smuggling gangs but we just sa from andrew's report from the beaches of calais, the police have been given and will be given half a billion pounds over three years to deal with this. it's not working. do you see in hi other alternative? >> no, i don't right now see any other alternative than to use a third-world country to send the refugees. christian: so you don't believe that better policing, better intelligence would be a way to break up the smuggling model? >> i'm not sure i quite understand the question. christian: one of the arguments is that better intelligence, better sharing of intelligence
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between police forces would be a preferable way to deal with the smuggling oranges. have you seen any evidence that better policing actually gets to the bottom of it? >> no, not down here. christian: if other european countries did follow suit. let's presume that eight to 10 countries thought that using a third country would be the model to follow, what would that say about europe's responsibilities to the vulnerable or those at risk if the richest countries or turning away. >> i don't know if the third country solution is what you're describing. i think it will save a lot of
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people a trip across the sea, which is very dangerous and a lot of people actually die on the trim. so i'm not sure that that's correct. christian: thomas, thank you very much for coming on the program tonight. >> thank you. christian: we'll continue to follow that. our panel will pick up that issue in this the next hour. hope you'll stay with us for that. the around the world and across the u.k., you're watching bbc news. a quick look at stories making headlines here in the u.k. rishi sunak has promised billions more to counter athletes from abc es of authoritarian states. he strs the u.k. was not on the brink of war but claimed the extra money would put the country's defense ministry on that war footing. the post office described how it
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changed problems with its horizon i.t. system based on a suggestion by the husband of a former boss. stop referring to them as bugs but instead anomaly. prince lueies is 6 today. to celebrate his birthday, a new photograph has been rodriguezed by kensington palace, taken by his mother. this one has not been ed ited. you're watching "bbc news." in the months before the 2016selection, donald trump picked up the phone and call the former publisher of the "national enquirer," david pecker to discuss whether or not to discuss a playboy associate
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who was having an affair. the two of them did speak about this alleged misstress karen mcdougal. i think the story should be purchased, i believe you could "buy or sell" it. trump said pecker did not like the idea but candidate trump said pecker would get back to him in due time. wasn't a good day for the former president. before proceedings had gotten underway, the judge was scolding him over his social meeta page, which the prosecution say had breached the gag order. if they were hoping that admonishment would exchange his behavior, they might be disappointed. >> i think the gag order is totally uncongress institutional. can't even allow articles to be
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put in. articles over the last day and a half saying the case is a sham and it shouldn't be retried or everyone submitted. to me, a gag is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk to people and not allowed to talk about me and they're keeping me in a courtroom, that's freezing, by the way. in a courtroom all day long sitting up as straight as i can all day long because you know what, it's a very unfair situation. christian: let's catch up with our north northwestern correspondent who's been covering the trial for us. where did the judge get to with the prosecutors's claim that he had breached the gag order? >> theudge hasn't issued a ruling yet but it was a fiery exchange with donald trump's lawyers. the prosecution said that trump willfully violated that gag
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order numerous times and that he had to be held to account, had to be were warned that he could even face jail time for this because they were concerned about protecting the integrity of the criminal justice system. when trump's lawyers argued that he wasn't targeting anyone, simply responding to political attacks by the likes of michael cohen, the judge asked for specific examples of social media posts he was responding to and todd blanch stumbled and couldn't provide that supporting evidence at which point the judge was completely frustrated saying you have lost all credibility with the court. you can guess how the judge the leaning. christian: remains to be seen what he made of today's statement outside court. let's turn to the evidence being presented by david pecker. he did acknowledge he was involved in this catch and kill policy. prosecutors say he was the eyes and ears for donald trump to try
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and prevent these negative stories coming tout. what did we learn and was it a strong case that the prosecutors put forward? >> i think david pecker is key to the kind of idea of intent here. donald trump's team has said in their opening statements that donald trump didn't pay the hush money payment to stormy daniels because of the election. it was all about protecting his family, his reputation and his brand. what we heard from david pecker was very different. although he incident get to the stormy daniels payment yet, he outlined several parts of this scheme and he said it all began when donald trump and his former lawyer co-hen requested a meeting in august of 2015 and asked david pecker how can you help the campaign. so that for the prosecution really establishes the intent there, that this whole alleged catch and kim scheme was to benefit donald trump's campaign and david pecker outlined how he
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not only published negative, unfamiliaritiering stories to be mr. trump's opponents, they also detailed how they captured and killed some of the negative stories about mr. trump himself. one from a doorman with a false story about a love child. another from the former playboy model karen mcdougal about an alearned affair that donald trump denies. he's laid a lot of ground wo for the jury. christian: let's bring in a republican conservative and talk show host at all american radio. thank you for being with us, jennifer. what do you make of what you heard today? >> i think this charade continues. as i was listening to your correspondent there, i can't help but think of how this remind me so much of what bill clinton did in entering into a private business agreement over
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a personal relationship allegedly with paula jones and bill clinton was different in donald trump in this case in that he was actually the sitting president of t united states. christian: but he wasn't running for election was he? >> well, he was trying to survive empeachment in the house of representatives. remember, they were hot on his heels back then to talk about his issue and the monica lewinsky issue and so many other issues and this was certainly one of those situations where bill clinton was trying to avoid bad media coverage and in that case, the way that it differed from the trump campaigis that bill clinton paid paula jones almost 10 times what donald trump reportedly paid stormy daniels. christian: i get your point but let's quickly focus on this criminal case, given that we are in court. the defense case would be, look, he had nothing to do with these payments. he signed the checks but the
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bookkeeping is someone else's job. the problem for donald trump is that we've already heard a tape of him and michael co-hen discussing the karen mcdoul story and now we hear from david pecker that he was brought in this 2015 to run this catch and kill policy. does that not point to conspiracy as the prosecution allege? >> i'm not sure and i'm not in the courtroom today so i don't know. i didn't hear that directly but michael cohen has been discredited on four separate occasions. we don't know how accurate or peel real those tapes are, a.i., did exist back in 2015 and i'm not a defender of trump here. i was on the u.s. presidential debate team. i efforts nod the dave that came up regarding these conversations was that it happened in august of 2015 is when these discussions were taking place. i was on a team that wrong the question of donald trump about his treatment of women.
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remember the rosie o'donnell question and all of this stuff at set off those conversations. so i'm no defender of trump here but the double standard both in the media in t united states and also inth court system is rather obvious and here your correspondent said the judge in this case said said they're trying to preserve the credibility of the justice system. well, that hasn't happed in new york city, i can tell you as a single female living in new york city, we have men running around punching women in the face, throwing women onto subway platforms in new york city. so that made me laugh. suddenly they care about the justice system when donald trump is running for president? so i think the northwestern people see this and kind of give it -- christian: you should remember in a civil trial donald trump has also been found liable of assaulting women. >> and look, to your point, this
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is a very serious case. this is a criminal case, i keep reminding my friends in politics. this is not a civil case where he's going to have to pay a judgment at the end of the day if found guilty. he could be remanded to jail if found guilty. christian: do you think he's come to terms with that? he looks angry. what do you make of his demeanor? >> i do any he understands the levity of this and when you look at the jury that was seated, it's not exactly a jury of his peers. they answered on the jury forms that tir news diet conch assumption consists of cnn, "the new york times," "the daily news." those are some pretty liberal jurors seated with him. the good news for him is he only needs one person to remain uncertain about this and then in that case i think this will have a decent ending for this but i think the democrats are
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overplaying their hand here. this is an issue from 2015. it's anyhow 2024 and decrats have to remember just from a political central perspective, they really need to remember whatted with nelson mandela when he was jailed during political campaigns. christian: lots of political announcer: funding for presentation of this program is provided by... financial services firm, raymond james. bdo. accountants and advisors. cunard is a proud supporter of public television. announcer: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation, pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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